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raystantz
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in EVE Online
Do you need to be to understand and enjoy EVE?
The times I've tried it I've been confused beyond all recognition, and the impression I got out of it was that you don't play, to play.. as in you progress more by not playing.
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I think Eve is a great game -- but you have to realize that its pretty much a PVP game. No you don't HAVE to do that, but, you will get involved in pvp one way or another.
You also have to expect to play with some pretty racist people.. Not sure why this game seems to attract them.
Racist? Truly racist? I haven't met anyone yet.
OP... well, you don't have to be any particular type of player, but it'll help if you like to take things a little slower when you play. Also, if you're a statistics/numbers kind of guy, you'll probably enjoy playing the market. If you like high-action and shiny explosions, you'll probably get bored with the combat quickly. It's more tactical and very dynamic, with lots of factors deciding victory or defeat (especially in fleet PvP of course). Speaking of which, if you like teamwork and filling a specific role, you'll probably enjoy fleet PvP - just make sure you join a good Corp.
It's a lot to take in (EVE doesn't have a learning curve, it has a learning cliff), but there are plenty of people willing to help you out. Rookie Chat being the easiest way to get help and guides/Corps like EVE University requiring a bit more effort (since you have to look for them). Just remember: Trust no one (except the noob help people), don't fly what you can't afford to lose, and right-click when in doubt.
Well, seeing as you enjoyed FFXI, I'd say the typical EVE player is somewhat akin to FFXI's craft addicts. They enjoy maximizing every possible chance for a HQ (in EVE's case, pvp win) and really get in depth with their gameplay, sometimes taking an hour or more to set up the perfect traps.
Racist? What a strange answer...
Socially inept maladjusted rage-o-holics? Yes, you'll find quite a few of those in any PvP-focused game. Racist? Probably some people who play Eve are racist, but it in no way defines the player base.
You have to be the type of player who's more interested in setting a goal for yourself and working to accomplish it, not the type of player who wants better gear for the sake of having better gear or who wants to grind for that extra +1 stat on his weapon.
Figure out what you want to do, and do it. You can have a ton of SP from training and never logging in, but that won't get you isk, won't teach you how to play, won't make you friends and contacts, and won't advance you in anyway what-so-ever. Skillpoints mean nothing if you don't know how to use them and you'll die horribly to someone with 1/10 of your SP.
People don't play EVE to grind or get more xp like other games, they play to play. They play to accomplish the goals they set out for themselves.
It is a little harder to understand than a game like WOW, and I don't mean that as a slight. EVE is a sandbox and nothing is laid out for you. You have to engage other players and work toward goals, or you will find yourself just changing skills. It comes down to the same thing, however, you progress through your play. EVE is a game of teamwork really. Each person playing a set role, and having the ability to play it (not just the skill points). Getting the right people, doing the right things, and at the right time, learning to do this is how you play and progress.
There is a tremendous flexability in this game that you won't find in many others yet that flexability is also very rigid in how you can approach it. The "paths" you choose are choices vs being pre-set "side-games". In other games you can choose to get into crafting or PvP or PvE and it's fast and easy to shuffle between them as you see fit.
In EVE it is actually a choice you make that costs. If you choose this path, that one is delayed -- not blocked off but delayed until you train the skills necessary to perform that set of functions.
As such, at the start you can find yourself very confused. So many options and so few constraints make it difficult to pick a path and stick with it, even if that is the best way to reach "a" destination.
The best advice would be to toss out some old concepts. Start with the idea that you are either going to be good at "something" in a reasonable time or that you'll be mediocre at a few things. Once you decide on that, you now have a general plan for yourself to follow. You won't be as good at something another focuses on but you can give yourself more options on how invest your play time than they may have. Conversely you can be better than someone at a given type of encouter but you'll be a "1 trick pony" for quite some time going that path. The longer you play, the more options you open up for yourself.
The choices are yours to make and whereas some will tell you what they think you should do, it's all up to you on how you choose to progress within the game. "splatter" your skills around so you can do many things or focus them. Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages (example: I can trade in markets, scout for fleets or explore wormholes, run Level 4 missions, etc... None as good as someone who focused in a given direction but if I'm bored doing 1 thing, I have options in other directions. Yet there are those who are far better with PvP or Marketing, etc.. than I am because they focused on that area.)
Translation: So much to do, with so little time to do it... Welcome to EVE: Make of it what you will.
As other people have said, it is a sandbox game and that means something a bit different than themepark games.
In a game like eve, the players get an idea of what they want to do or be and they do this on their own volition. Want to be a Pirate? Trader? Lead an alliance to take over the galaxy? you make it happen based on what tools you have in the game.
The other part of the game play is that it is more about player interaction than showing up and doing what's handed to you.
Someone blows you up and takes your cargo you get your alliance to help track him down. But wait, he's part of another alliance so you play the politics game and eventually you are at war. So the opposing alliance realizes that you have other enemies. They gather these as allies. However, you are smart enough to place a spy in that alliance so you know what they are always going to do.
etc.
The game world is about the players not about what premade quests (even though it does have these) that the devs dream up.
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EvE is not about 'leveling' like Warcraft. Its about teamwork, be it in a pvp corp or a manufacturing one.
So join a player made corperation and get involved with stuff other than skill training, as skills are not as important as teamwork and practical experience.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
You need to be ready to learn most stuff "the hard way" (reading lots of guides, tutorials, or by trial&error). Also, you need to be able to set your own goals (either the most common "to fly that awesome ship", "to pwn in pvp", "to be a big player in territorial warfare" up to "become a rich industrialist" or "set up a huge investment-oriented corporation". There's nobody telling you what to do, you have to make decisions, and not always every option leads to a "win".
The main difference is that in most games there's always someone or something telling you where to go and what to do (and often how to do it as well). EVE is different, tutorials tell you *how* to do things you are interested in, but not *which* ones you *should* be interested in, that's up to you.
what these guys are saying is that we don't play to "level up" like in themepark games like the above mentioned WOW , we play WHILE leveling up. (in skillpoints)
That's the beauty of EVE, I set a skilltraining, and in the meantime I play the game with the skills I have at that given time.
No worries about ignoring fun in themepark games in order to satisfy a 'gearing up/leveling up' powergrind.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Wait what? Overt displays of racism are a great way to get the community to turn against you. Racial abuse is also a good way to get a fast track appointment with the BanHammer.
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Racists in EvE?
I don't know what game you played.
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This.
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I agree, this is the fundamental shift in thinking that a new player coming to EVE has to undergo.
Character progression (skill points) takes a back seat to actually maximizing your game experience (and income) utilizing the skills you currently have.
Maybe starting out you're flying a cruiser in level 2 missions, and later in your crushing level 4's in your Maurader. You might start out PVPing in a Rifter (frigate) and later on be flying a Dreadnaught. Or, you may still break out your Rifter, you never really leave any ship you train for behind, I still fly smalls ships 3 years later when the occasion suits me.
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Your skills progress constantly, playing or not. However, you need to play the game in order to increase your standings to open up higher level agents, or gain loyalty points and most importantly, to make ISK.
Your character may gain skills when not playing eve, but if YOU dont play eve then YOU are never going to progress.
As for what kind of player... well, I play almost every kind of game/mmo under the sun.. but I'm the kind of player that MUST have other people to play with. I do like to solo or be independent, but if there arnt other players about to have a laugh and a joke with (or indeed to kill) then I get bored quickly.
Eve is a game for the player that enjoys the company of others.
Yeah, racism in a multinational pvp game. I can see how well that'd work out.
The closest thing I saw to racism in EVE was Darius JOHNSON's bio which reads "racist jokes". Not exactly racist, but at least it contains the words racist.
I try to pod most people who make a reference to WoW gnomes. Does that make me racist?
I play in a sandbox.
People who play this are intelligent people who can withstand long lines of text and be able to have long attention-spans.
Pepsi1028
PEPSI!!!!!
Get out of your box already...
When approaching EVE you must first unlearn everything you think a MMO is.
Especially WoW.
Next, find a good Corp (guild) to teach you about the area of the game you want to get into (combat, scouting, market, manufacturing, mining, piracy, mercenary).
Being in a good corp will make or break EVE. EVE is not just a "PVP game" it is a massively Multiplayer PVP game in a persistant world shaped by the players actions with full loss/gain to every type of PVP interaction.
EVE in a nutshell is hardcore. My only problems with it was the feeling of needing a in game day job just to undock with anything decent. My BIGGEST problem is all the underhanded politics, scams, and such.
CCP allows any scam as long as it does not exploit the game code. A bit too far in my opinion.
Still, although not perfect, EVE is a very solid unique sandbox.
Corporate espionage my friend. It happens in real economies and governments.
Pepsi1028
PEPSI!!!!!
Get out of your box already...
Yea but in real life someone don't just hit the disband alliance button. There are also courts in real life to deal with fraud. You can't arrest someone for fraud in game. Concord only blows people up if they open fire.
and I just said, it is MY problem with EVE, not anything more
Remember Enron, so yes it can happen. Also, space is different. You can't yell bloody murder, because no one can hear you. You fend for yourself and do whatever you can to be successful.
Pepsi1028
PEPSI!!!!!
Get out of your box already...
Er, well.. your wrong. Sorry to put it so bluntly but your illustration is in the wrong context.
but your right about one thing, however. It most certainly is your problem and the problem is ignorance.
Eve is not a product for the ignorant.