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True reason why this will flop
Lienhart
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I think the devs need to ask themselves, just who is their flaming audience?
"FPS" players? No FPS player I know, myself included, touched Global Agenda after the beta. To make matters worse, that game is dying even with the free "unlimited demo". Why?
Good players cannot carry the team due to lack of hitboxes. Guess what this game did again?
MMORPG players? Nope. Because last I recall, MMORPG players don't like having any skill in games period. They want to grind their ass off via quests or Korean style mob grind (either way it's grinding, I prefer having a chick near my little brother).
So um..........? Repeat of Global Agenda? I think so!
Make Planetside 2 already.
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Not that linear..but you are right in most ways..
I can see what your sayin on most of that. But im an avid MMORPG player, and I hate the Korean style grind as much as the next guy, the ONLY game that I was cool with it in was FFXI, and thats because it had an unmatched community. In fact you'd probably find that most MMO players (due to WoW) will never put up with a grind. The days of American made MMO's having hardcore grinds are over, WoW spoiled everyone into wanting super fast leveling that a monkey could do blindfolded.
Kinda got of on a rant there, but I see what your sayin on everything else. All we can hope for is that they realize some of these things and get to work on some patching. Like I said in another post, there isn't really an MMO that I've ever seen that launched with everything perfect. In fact, some MMO's just sucked ass before a few months in when they patched up bugs, and added in some little extra tidbits to liven things up.
Global Agenda still isn't a flop though, that's the problem here. Until the plug has been pulled aka Tabula Rasa , games don't just "flop" with people who still play it.
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All you need is an audience for your product as long as its big enough I mean MxO was around for quite sometime wasn't a success but it had its fan base and left its mark on some people.
If I only have 100 dedicated players to this game to keep 1 city completely full and active you'll still see me playin.
I second that big time...
APB is just another GA with different skins and a different theme really..
I just upgraded from trial to Regular account (non subed atm). Why because GA is a lot of fun, sure some parts you have to grind somw PvE missions,but what MMOg do you not have to grind,its far from becomng a flop. APB on the other hand has some Major issues to address,and since im technically in the beta ,im not goning to go into it. and honestly if this post was about APB being a flop,why bring up GA. sounds like your as picky as they rest of them if you dont get your pick of the cookies when they come out of the oven
. APB I hope will address the issues at hand as at the begining of the play session i was having a blast. And I loved the character and car customization.
Because APB and GA are going more or less the same way. Instanced lobbied zones, with lobbied Deathmatch rounds. Except APB want subs + item shop (doesnt matter what they sell as long you can buy it for cash) from start on
PS : Cant remember that fluff kept me playing longer then i liked.
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I agree with almost all you say other then about all mmoprg players having no skill have you seen eve let alone play it dam that game is hard
Not to worry, we can blame it on EA's pricing model if it flops.
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You want me to give you hacks for Global Agenda? lol
GA was hacked during beta. What's your point?
Actually GA is introducing open pve and pvp zones with its next major patch, Sandstorm. Basically the community asked for it and the devs listened and we get to see what it will be like soon.
I've been playing since beta and yet to come across a hacker unlike say when i play BF:BC2 and just falling over them on some servers. HiRez really doesn't tolerate hackers and does ban them if they find them. I remember playing Aion and all the hacks/exploits i would run across pvp'ing let alone the bot army that went unpunished for months. I can't speak for APB but every game gets hacked its the response you get from devs that really counts and i like HiRez's attitude.
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My KD ratio on GA is around 5.x to 1. They haven't banned me. Hell, I made it REALLY OBVIOUS for the hell of it at times.
Was still not banned lol
This is totally true, every online game I have ever paid for and that anyone has ever paid for has been cheat free for all of its existance. Obviously or no one would have paid for it. Err wait, no, every online game in existance has hackers/exploiters and cheaters of every sort, it comes with the territory.
As far as punkbuster goes, RTW already acknowledged its inefectiveness and said their 24/7 in-game support would be handling cheaters that bypassed the punkbuster protection. Now obviously the game is still in beta and it would be beyond stupid to be staffing full time support atm when they have no idea how many employees they need. That leaves the current few hackers in beta to be dealt with by people who already have full work loads of other jobs assigned to them. I think the keyword here is that the game is in BETA and your entire arguement about cheating is flat out flawed.
Now I'm no longer much of a fan for RTW after they decieved/lied about their billing model, but there are plenty of legitamate reasons to dislike APB atm. Claiming the game will suck because it will have at least 1 hacker at release just isn't one of those reasons, infact its a blatantly stupid statement from anyone whos ever played any game with an online mode.
GA is nothing like APB ... thats all i need to say
Why would your Kill/Death ratio Get you banned?
really??? it shows that he is hacking...
Why? It's impossible to get 100 kill for 1 death
someone with lots of skills can't get more than 5:1
APB= awesome character creation tho its hardly seen by all, sub par shooter and not a 10 dollar a month(or 7 dollar for 20 hours) worthy rpg nuff said
was 5-1 so a 100kills would be 20 deaths, not hard if your playing recon and playing it hella safe, and i know a few people who with out hacking can get ratios like that cause they are that good.
My agencies top recon gets that a lot of matches. http://account.globalagendagame.com/GAregister/stats/characterstats.aspx?c=6858&p=67741
Best i've seen from a legit player is 93 kills to 3 deaths. Saying you hack without proof means nothing. I have yet to run across a hacker in GA (thou i am not saying they don't exist). And if you do hack and are only getting a 5:1 k/d ratio you suck so bad why do you even play shooters?
*cough* Kidding? Global Agenda is a rehashed rudimentary TF2 third-person shooter. And the aimbot, speed, cham, etc. hacks in its launched product on youtube say there are hacks.
So here's the news flash. Not one game on the market to day is hack-free, every game has its hackers, every game will always have its hackers. If we're using "hacking" as some measure of interest, you should not be playing any game; well maybe except Global Agenda since that game has just about evolved to point of paying its players to play it with its hennorage of any notable subscription-base.
I am also looking forward to planetside 2, but planetside 1 did not have hitboxes, so I am not sure why you think the planetside series will do well where global agenda and APB are failing.
I hope PS2 does have hitboxes, but in my opinion they are not totally required for a quality game. They are helpful for maintaining a hardcore audience who wants to excel to extremes and always have something to work on skill-wise, mainly being able to target the small head hitbox of their enemies incredibly fast... But that could also hurt new player marketing later on in the games life because new players would be overwhelmed by skilled experts at the game. There is still a give and take.
I think theres an audience for a mix of FPS and RPG, myself included in that audience. I would prefer larger battles or more RPG elements to the time and latency it takes to create head hitboxes.
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every game has exploits or flatout hacks. any time someone claims OH THIS GAME IS HACK FREE.. you should pimp slap them call them a moronic bat gauno covered rock and kick them between the legs.
why you ask?
because human nature makes people want to boast about being the best. BUT as anyone with an IQ higher then a rock can tell you people are lazy they dont want to work to be best they want it THEY WANT IT NOW!!!
so they make or find cheats.. exploits for loot/cool down on skills or something.. or flat out make packet hacks to "noclip" through everything and 1 hit all monsters/players around them ect.
just so they can inflate their ego about how great they are.
sure APB will have hackers and exploiters, every game does. WoW has millions of players and millions of hackers/exploiters. it doesnt make the game a flop just makes the majority using illegal programs morons lmao
we shall see if APB flops or not, EA hasnt made any decent games since they launched BF1942... many years ago now its all crap they push out with some laxitives but so its true with EA 90% of all the game producing companies are the same.
on a side note, for FPS... any ratio above 2.x generally means skilled or cheating for most FPSmmos. while its easy to get 1.x-2.x getting higher then 5.x is not easy unless your a skilled player on a noob server or you join a pistols only match and snip people. the general FPS avarage is 2k/ 1d some rather overly skilled players can get 10/1 in a match easy
but if you know what your doing on a good server you should avarage out at 2 / 1 i think that gives a 2.1 or atleast 1.1 ratio i forget, i personally dont care about ratios i go for enjoyment over ratios lolol