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The main reason SWG:ToR will fail in the long run.
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LOL! Whatever.
Wel that's the thing, players are their own worst enemies.
They get themselves in a froth and because they can't access their new games of choice and speculate and argue and condemn and extol and when they finally get the game in their hands they hate it and move on.
It's a bit like buyer's remorse I think.
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First of all, dumb basis to create a thread about, Teala. Congrats or not. Second, I've never heard so much crap about a game that hasn't release all its details and is supposedly coming out NEXT YEAR. Lastly, the same people who keep attacking the game, I still think you're a sad bunch of spiteful, jaded, ill-informed, spastic nerfherders.
Please, for the love of all that is decent, stop for once. Making remarks about stuff that you obviously haven't thought through and just want to be loud and moronic about how the game is going to fail or whatever crap you like to spout on about isn't doing any good. The people who are interested will stay interested until they play the game and are either satisfied or aren't. In which case, if they aren't , then move on. I've said this crap what seems to be a thousand times, but it appears to not have any affect on those who won't listen to logic or reason.
Wait until you can actually get your hands on it, try it out and then make a judgement. Because talking about how a game will fail when not all the details are release is garbage and if you're an adult, you should know better! So please, stop talking out of your ***es and wait! Where's the tylenol?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Well this seems to be an ICONIC MMORPG.com forum thread, reminiscent of the great trolls of MMORPG.com. I don't think the word iconic is trademarked by George Lucas.
The entirety of this thread is suspect Teala, you start by complaining that a game IP that was already successful, well after the movies released, will fail because of these same movies. There are tons of star wars games that do well, this thought process is flawed from the get go.
Then we go into the perceived lack of information. You ask "So how can we possible have threads discussing something that we know nothing about. " yet you post negative threads regarding the topic with ease. Again, this is easily biased and flawed.
God forbid that the same things you think will end up in this games failure are the very same things people feel will make this game a success. Differences of opinion for the win. Of course that would rely heavily on you having information about this game in the first place, which you feel there isn't any, so its interesting to me how you could form your opinion.
Simple answer. BioWare has told us that if we're expecting a free-form open ended game -we're mistaken. It is not a sandbox game. They have repeatedly told us this. So instead we're left to discuss what kind of game it looks like it is going to be, a single player, story driven game with elements of an MMO tacked on.
I believe TOR will sell like Hotcakes at launch.. I'd estimate at least 750,000- 1 million copies will be sold.. I would state my life and heavenly posessions on this...
Now, the big question I have is, Will Bioware be able to keep the playerbase interested past 30 days??? That I'm not so sure of based on the information I've read regarding the direcection and current state of the game now... It seriously looks like a single player rpg with mmo elements.. People will realize just how little the game will offer as a subscription based MMORPG.. Of course, I'm stating all this based on the information released so far.. Now, I could end up being waaaaay off and super wrong... I surely hope I am, because I want TOR to be a truly legendary mmorpg experience...
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
I take that back teala... you've been a member since 04...
Just having the name "mmo-doubter" and the fact he has 5 bazillion posts since 7/09 tells me all I need to know.
Not sure if you are ironic or not, with emoticon and all.
But I actually watched all 7 episodes of that review, and my view on the phantom menace HAVE changed.
Yes I found the movie atrocious before.
But now I just feel unclean for having watched it, ever.
As someone said in the comments to one of the clips.
"Why do i get the feeling that this guy put more thought and energy into this review then Lucas did with all 3 prequels combined?"
Well I am of to watch the review of episode 2, I know for a fact that the review for episode one had TONS more entertainment value then the actual film.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Yep, those are the reasons that sold me, not the IP. Even went as far as building a grandiose computer just to run it. I became a bigger boob than the jugs in the game! Two months after release, I went right back to a game that worked, World of Warcraft. BRILLIANT!
Robots will kill you!
Just curious what MMOs you've followed that were still 10-12 months (at least) from launch where you had solid details about game mechanics.
Conan 6 months from launch was going to have 20ish classes (pared down to 12). Levels 1-5 were going to be classless, then at 5 when you got to Tortage, you would pick an archtype class, and then at 20 you would get your advanced class. 200 vs 200 sieges (LOL). Three tiers of endgame raiding at launch (more LOL). Tortage was going to be able to be played offline for free. How'd announcing all these game details so far out from launch work out for Funcom?
What upside is there to releasing all these details so far out?
Well done. Now is that a good or bad thing? SW:TOR , based on the information we have, being a themepark based game and not a sandox?
Couldn't you have just started that thread instead?
Yes. I realize that 'doubt' is a sin to many posters here. I might as well have labeled myself "Heretic". I understand how religion works.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I honestly just think everybody should get mount and blade: warband and play that.
It's a fabulous game, has stat tracking and levelling in beta phases right now and is just a great time killer
Can't we all just get along?
lol
Watch this series of reviews, brilliant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
Yes, they are brilliant. I wish this guy played MMOs.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I don't know if it will fail or not. But I am pretty sure that the MMO demographic is changing and we will never see the sucess of games like WoW. Instead more and more MMO will all have part of the MMO market and ultimately players will benefit as there will be an MMO for most tastes and IPs.
Where it will likely fail is when one MMO needs far too high number of Subs lured by WoWs profits and even though sucessful is not given the backing and support of the parent company cause figures aren't what they were hoping. In this case the game will fail not cause it is a bad game or people aren't enjoying it. But cause the developers aren't given the funding and patches are fewer and further between with less and less new content *cough cough WAR cough*
meaning that they have a great deal of creative control over their projects.
Sort of like saying "he's his own person".
Though I'm sure they get "encouragement" from their own overlords and input from lucas.
But as we both have said, you look at SWToR and see their stamp all over it.
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
No Teala, it is because you make idiotic threads like this, of which we have far too many in the first place.
George Lucas is not directly involved with this project and if you would have went through some of the dev posts; you'd see that the developers themselves almost never tout the prequels, but are in the first place inspired by the characters and moments in the first trilogy, such as the characters journey to heroism, the mystic nature of the force and the dark underbelly of civilization.
You can find examples in the first 'announcement' video documentaries and in the developer blogs in which they account what inspired them.
This threads only purpose is to throw dirt at the game; dirt that does not exist out of well tought-out arguments; but, and forgive me the harshness, completely unrelated bullshit grasped out of thin air.
Have a good day.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I would reply with comments on your general failures in this original post ranging from your grammar fails to alleged facts based on your opinion....But instead I'll respond with the classic, "DON'T PLAY THE GAME IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT" remark. You're like those people who go to schools and say to not have sex until you are married. You are trying to tell people to avoid this game because of minor flaws.
Yup, because the story and voice acting is all we have been shown and we haven't been told what the business model is yet.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Those of you saying ToR is a SPRPG.
There is nothing wrong with bringing SPRPG content quality into an mmo, this doesn't mean this is an MMO to SPRG conversion. I'm not sure what you're basing this on. If what they say below is true, this game will not be a SP game.
Quote :"There is exploration, there is combat, it is a wide-open world" - MMOGamer - Blaine Christine
Quote: "Going to have crafting and harvesting, going to have guilds and social activities" - MMOGamer - Blaine Christine
Quote:" “Hey, if I’m really into more the crafting, harvesting, auction house type of gameplay, are you going to support that?” "Absolutely" - MMOGamer - Blaine Christine
Quote from James Olhen: "Our public areas are one contiguous world", "Not just our cities - 90% of the game, actually, will be areas where you can run into other players" - PC Gamer UK April 2010
Quote from James Olhen: "Its not going to feel like a heavily instanced game" - PC Gamer UK April 2010
A space Experience will be in game, its still being worked on - Machinima
Quote :"There is exploration, there is combat, it is a wide-open world" - MMOGamer - Blaine Christine
Quote: We are going to have crafting, because that's a big part of MMOs. We're going to implement crafting in a way that 'feels' right for Star Wars. - Massively TOR 2008
Quote: We’ve spent quite a bit of time discussing how to ensure that crafters – true dedicated crafters – can make a name for themselves and be important in their community. - Dev Blog Damion Schubert
PvP is in TOR - Multiple Interviews
Quote from James Olhen: "We're going to have open world PvP, As for the more structured PvP, I can't going into details but we will have it" - PC Gamer UK April 2010
Small amount of PvP action shown between 3 players during Dev. Video (4.00) - Designing the Darkside
Quote: "We're looking at classic [endgame] systems, but we're also doing something brand new that hasn't been done in an MMO before - CVG March 2010
End Game Content like Raiding is available if players do not want to re roll- MMOGamer
Quote: The general gist is that we want to reward grouping, but not so much that grouping is the only way to play the game - XP Damion Schubert
Quote from Daniel Erickson: Subject Solo'ing: "There will be content you never see, but you can play from first level to last level solo." - G4TV GDC 2010
PvP content, PvE content, Crafting, Professions, group content solo players will never see, huge wide open world(s). Sounding like an MMO to me.
Go read post #13 of this thread. Maybe you should start to read at the beginning before you post.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
I'm going to start quoting this in EVERY SW:ToR thread. Brilliant.
"A space Experience will be in game, its still being worked on - Machinima"
It's unbelievable that anyone would take that as anything other than a manipulative dev-speak dodge. "Space Experience"? What is wrong with you?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2