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I play MMOs since "Ultima Online", I try test mostly games MMOs and I particularly never liked F2P games and their microtransations. I moved to LOTRO in 2007, I thought this is it I need for my favorite game. Now I do not know, as I said earlier it fell like a bomb on our heads. They have not heard us before deciding, I'll think carefull what to do.
I have rarely seen so much smokescreening as in this interview. It is total BS. Look at the comparison table and read the details! Existing customers are being screwed over. Gone is the convenience of game cards, where you could just subscribe whenever you wanted for a limited time (when you have enough personal time to actually play, because you know some people actually work and dont just get the money to play and purchase items from mommy and daddy!).
So us people, people like me are screwed. And the whole" you dont buy stuff to win" argument is smoke and mirrors. How are you ever going to get anywhere with only 5 gold and no access to all the quests? It is BS and lies!
I have been with this game (with short interuptions for work and health reasons) since the open beta. I am sooooo pissed right now, I have no words for it. I am going to switch to AoC, even if that means that I have to get a new computer yet again (just got one that would allow me to play LOTRO with all details, grrrrr).
Aaaargh and I just purchased a game cards again a couple of days ago! I wished, I had not . Was a total waste of money, since I am not going to play this crap of a game anymore!
Changing the business model in this way changes the game considerably. While the company might have the legal right to do so (and that is debatable), it is a slap in the face to current players - especially lifers.
It is up to the players to decide if they want to do business with a company that is wiling and even eager to treat them this way. If someone treats you like dirt, and you accept it - you are to blame.
I would like one thing explained - if the game is still taking subscriptions, how is this not now a P2P+cash shop game? Allowing some free players to do minimal content is irrelevant.
They could have allowed free play without adding a cash shop at all. This is a pure greed move.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I think you should read what this is about again since its players like you who are the big winners in this.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
do any of you know a place where i can buy a lifetime sub for this game, i thourt it was a preorder thing only, so that is why im asking now.
You can only get lifetime sub for the European servers now (which are operated by Codemasters). Turbine have said that they wont have the lifetime offer anymore.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
nice im eupean
and will play in europa
I endorse this post, makes total sense. Not a fan of f2p and never will be. Buh Bye!
Wow, while I suppose you could say the writing was on the wall far as this goes I must admit I'm a bit surprised.
I have a sinking feeling about it myself and while it worked well for DDO there is a significant design difference between DDO and LotR that will make it much more difficult to pull off in Rings. However, I'll wait to see how it actually plays out to decide one way ot the other fore sure.
Can't say my first reaction was a good one though when I read this.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Turbine, Turbine. Did you guys all forgot how Turbine released boxed paid expansion to Asheron's Call 2 and then announced to terminate all servers 3 months after? This doesn't come up as surprise.
REALITY CHECK
Just suscribe, then carry on as you allways have. In fact, ITS CHEAPER NOW TO SUBSCRIBE.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Ok so you're willing to drop another $800+ to get a new rig to play AoC, but are unwilling to or were unable to drop 199 to get a lifetime sub for LoTRO in all the years it has been around? I think you have your priorities screwed. If you really DID buy a PC just to play LoTRO with high setting and you did play on and off since beta, then getting a lifetime sub would have been the move you made first and foremost. I call BS on your part....try that story somewhere else.
Either that or you're not as supportive of the game as you're trying to lead people to believe.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
This missinfromation in this thread is astounding.
If you are a subscriber, nothing has changed. If you are a Lifer, nothing has changed. You can F2P, or susbscribe.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
just not happy about all the bad apples we will be getting.
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
code master dont have the lifetime sub anymore
I like some F2P games not many but some , but i find the main problem with them is , when they first start/go Live the GMs are there all the time.. sorting out events and such... but give it a few months.. and thats it they vanish never to be seen again.... the customer service goes right down hill compared to P2P....
Nice, now i don't have to worry about not trying out this game.
"Traditionally, massively multiplier online games have been about three basic gameplay pillars combat, exploration and character progression. In Alganon, in addition to these we've added the fourth pillar to the equation: Copy & Paste."
It will be interesting to see how it effects the community. Compared to most mmos out there the community in LotR is definitely one of the better and friendlier groups out there in the mmo world.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Can F2P players duel?
Some people actually don't like coughing up all that money at the same time, or as good as all LOTRO players would be lifers.
Buying a computer is a different thing, you don't just use a computer for a single game, you use it for everything from watching movies, surf the net to playing single player games and FPS.
And if you already coughed up $800 bucks it could affect your economy for a while (my new cost me 3 times that much so I am on a somewhat low budget right now even though I would still have bought a life time sub afterwards.
And some people don't actually *gasp* own a credit card and still use gamecards. Those Visas with a sum of money on them isn't something you can get in all countries (you can't get them here, in Sweden to mention one).
Sure he might just be a troll but he can well be telling the truth.
and thank goodness for that
Massive influx of people enjoying LOTR is always a good thing to both the story and estate. Tolkien didn't write his works so a selective few "founders' can maintain their priviledges. If I were Tolkien, I'd make it free in a heart beat so more people can enjoy the lore.
Are you interested in your in-game "accomplishment", or are you interested in having more people taking part of LOTR world? Yeah, people can be vulgar and bad-mannered, but they are whom Tolkien wrote the story for. Never forget that !!!
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What a bunch of nonsense.
I suppose no one should have to buy his books.
Grow up amd join us in the real world. We need no freeloading lushes in this game.
Turbine, go die, I lost all my respect for you, I don't do Pay to Win games, I quit, you suck, I hope your office burns in a fire, have a nice day...
You are correct sir! i shall absolutly pawn you with my cosmeticaly equiped broom and frying pan!
(the only PvP in this game is monster play, so what is there to "win"?).
Still, the missinfromation in this thread is ASTOUNDING.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
It will be interesting to see how this could effect some other current f2p games. DDO was pretty significant but it had nowhere near the amount content and mass appeal that LotR has in comparison.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.