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Do you realize what percentage of the player base are serious raiders? I suspect that they looked at the statistics, applied it to the existing demographics, and came to the conclusion that they stand to gain more than they lose. Corporations do that all the time. Why should game corps be any different in that regard?
There saying its not a PAY TO WIN game. Read before you comment.
I'll give the game another try since I can play forever not just for 14 days.
They always say it's not a pay to win game.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I suspect its about maximizing their potential profits. Now that they are owned by WB, the corporate bean counters no doubt looked at how well DDO is doing, and ran the numbers on LOTRO. It would appear that they think they can make more this way, than the traditional sub approach. Only time will tell if they are correct.
Indeed. What PR talking head in their right mind would ever admit that their game is pay to win? LotRo may or may not be, time will tell, but gosh, try not to believe everything you hear just because a dev said it. In fact, you'd be better off disbelieving it until conclusively proven otherwise.
You pay to unlock zones.
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How are you?" -Me
Exactly right.
These are multi-million dollar projects. MMO devs shouldn't be trusted any farther than the typical used-car salesman. Sorry - pre-owned.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I noticed that you play STO. Does STO give it's Lifetime subscribers everything in it's store for free? Does STO even give lifetime subscribers free "bucks" every month to spend in the store? Expecting this out of one game, while not expecting it out of the game you currently play seems to have a bit of hypocrisy about it.
My point is not to be condescending, but to say that the people preaching doom have not fully looked into what is going to happen.
And I should say NONE of us knows how it will play out until launch (or beta).
Aurora, 4x Gaming
From what I understand, from reading the FAQ and various forum posts, is that the updates will still be free to the lifetimers and to those that are paying the monthly sub (VIPs). It's only the expansions that you will still need to buy (just as before). If you have enough points saved up (500/month for VIPs) then you can just pay for the expansion that way. If you are a subber now and continue to sub, you loose nothing that you have now. If for some reason you need a few months off the game, and unsub, then return a few months later (resub) you will have lost nothing that you had (except your house maybe in escrow). Your gold, bags and bank will all still be there, just as before.
And to those commenting on the xp pots, I already get bonus xp. It's called rested xp (which you can also buy with destiny points). So, I don't see a need to buy the potions. If I get more XP than that I will outlevel my current zone without finishing most of the quests (as it is my quests are green). I'm not in a race to get to max level. I'm enjoying the story. If they fail to deliver on that portion (the story) in the future then I'll have a problem, but as it stands now, I loose nothing.
Nothing is really changing for those of us who are subbed or have lifetimes, except a chance to maybe buy some extra shared storage and such with our "allowance" every month.
It was clear since well before release that STO would have a cash shop. It wasn't sprung on people after they paid for their lifetime sub.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
That doesn't negate the fact that lifetimers don't get everything free. At least Turbine is giving a monthly stipend to their lifetimers to spend in the store, which, I may add, they didn't have to do. They could have been just as stingy as Cryptic. Maybe other games that offer lifetime subs + microtransactions should follow suit.
I know it's offtopic but why in the hell would anyone need xp potions for this game anyways? Since they eased the leveling curve in this game it's ridiculous how fast you level. You level so goddamn fast anymore you can outlevel entire freaking zones at this point.
Games such as this and WoW really went overkill with how quickly they allow you to level anymore..
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
What the article says is:
"....quest givers featuring quests peripheral to the main storyline will require a purchasable unlock as players progress through the game’s later areas, starting around level 20-25, beginning with the Lone-lands. The locked quest givers will be denoted with a lock icon above their heads, and players can unlock them by simply talking to them and being given the option to purchase the content right then and there."
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
I just had to "lol", when I read your reply, because I was thinking the same thing. I gain xp way too quickly already.
If you read more of the article it does say that the purchase will unlock quest givers for that entire zone. In fact, the one Turbine rep comments on it directly.
EDIT: Oh come on, I just reread over that and it even makes this distinction in the very next sentence after what you quoted. You're telling me you didn't see that?
@junzo: Hehe
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
That's right. They didn't have to do it. Why do you think they did it?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
They aren't selling xp potions yet.
Nothing is easier to change in an MMO than xp rates.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Well, lookee there, you made a funny. I'll mail you a gold star you can stick on the front of your shiny new protective helmet.
Free players wont get rested xp and cant use destiny points to buy it.
I bet you there will be xp potions in the cash shop, and it is where I will spend my 500 tp/month
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
To cut down on potential PR problems? Now people can point to the difference... Basic PR tactics. Those that think that they are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, likely believe in the tooth fairy as well... ^^
No mmo goes f2p unless their current model is failing, and LOTRO's was. I know there's lots of people that love it to death, but their subs were in the dumps. Let's start with a little realism and not so much fantasy when we analyze mmo news.
Why does the article say that you won't pay to win, yet you do? I don't get it. In both games Turbine has you can take a crap without paying them some money. You can't level, you can't quest, it's more a demo than an actual game.
You sir are wrong, please stop being wrong. There is nothing to "WIN", thats just retarded to even say.
"MT: That's right, Dungeons & Dragons Online right now is about eight percent of the market, LOTRO is number eight in the marketplace with five percent. Combined, thirteen percent of MMO gamers are playing Turbine games. That positions Warner Bros. right away in MMOs, and that's clearly a direction we're headed in the future."
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
After reading over the chart linked in a previous post, there are a couple things I don't completely agree with.
I think that "premium" players should be able to get more than they currently are able to. For example, they should be able to do monster play, get rested experience, and should definitely be able to spend destiny points. That's just my personal opinion, though.
Although I haven't played Lotro in a while, this is not likely to bring me back. I do, however, hope this is success.