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Are the WASD controls really wonky?
Syphin_B
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So i was asked to join Square-enix as a alpha/beta tester but i might not even go forward and download it if the WASD controls suck or are non-existant.
You think by now that they would put in a decent mouse/keyboard movement system. Like i just dont get it guys... Could anybody please enlighten me whats up with the movement controls before i go ahead and test it out.
Also another bad thing about this game so far.. TONS n TONS of invisible walls and if there is a 1 foot cliff.. you cannot jump off of it.. you have to control your toon/character around it and its highly annoying. Yes the lands are beautiful but its very pathy and the movement system blows chunks. <-- This info is from.. a true source.. believe it or not
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Talking about the game controls/movement is against the NDA so you're not gonna get much of a response here. Why not just DL the beta and if you don't like it uninstall? You actually got a coveted beta invite for one of the most hyped games of the year, why not enjoy it. What games don't use a WASD system anyways? Every MMO I've played has used it and even the clunky FFXI UI could be modified under the "Compact" setting to use WASD movement instead of the Numpad.
And it's already been confirmed that jumping wont be a part of XIV (at least up to this point), so yeah. I never understood why people need to be able to jump off of things to be immersed in a game. It's not an "invisible wall", its to prevent people from jumping around everywhere and off of everything looking like morons (ala WoW). God forbid you actually have to walk around a banister or an NPC instead of jumping over or around it.
you want someone to pre-test your test? Why don't you give your key to someone who might actually "BETA TEST" the game. You know someone who just doesn't think they are getting some kind of early access feature.
WASD control is just like any other MMO, just because the game can be played on a controller aswell doesn't make it suffer any. I'm really not sure where people are getting this from. WASD moves you the same way as any other MMO.
But OP... judging from your post it seems you have played the game already and your just wanting to troll or you just cant remember your "true source."
The game is designed with the controller in mind. You can't even right click a npc to interact. Imo this will lower a few points to this game among the pc users but I think that se will replace em with ps3 players anyway. Se has been too fond with consoles and somehow hates pc for some strange reasons.
Well it is the best way to move around in a PC game ....
nvm
Maybe you should wonder what a alpha/beta test is before you sign up for it.
I have my doubts that you are telling the truth.
But the sad thing is, many alpha and beta testers just apply to the testing so they can have a first look, judge if the game is worth it, without paying for it.
While they don't understand that they are a part of making this game good.
Test, report and give honest opinions, but in a way a devolper can do something with it.
I really hope some testers take this testing serious. If all testers are like this "tester" then I see a sad future for FFXIV.
Let me cool down the flames a bit. You guys love to rip people into pieces sometimes and i just dont think some of you understand what i am talking about. And honestly its a hint of jealousy dont lie..
Im not complaining about.. crashing.. or lagging.. or the 30fps cap. or logging in/out for 90 mins straight.
I am talking about this online game that is coming out in the YEAR 2010 and the WASD controls BLOW, sorry... but if you just cater to a "control pad" your going to lose a alot of subs, im giving the game a go and i'll continue testing and learning everything i have too but there is no reason whatsoever that this game cannot support amazing WASD controls.. seriously i mean this is a next-gen MMO and you cant even jump.
Ahem,looking at you also Guild Wars!!!
And hush you people about your "NDA" threats, i see that so much "omg breaking the NDA".. im not sharing anything thats breaking the NDA, i can share with you that im IN the beta and im just talking about the failure of a correct movement system for most of us PC users who play MMO's. Sorry but most of us do not use gamepads.. if we wanted that.. we'll go buy a console, i play PC because i enjoy the mouse/keyboard.
(Plus you put me in a FPS with key/mouse vs controller.. 9 times out of 10 the PC setup will stomp competition but thats besides the point)
You're getting flamed by people because it appears like you are just bashing/venting/trolling and not doing anything constructive. So you don't like not being able to jump? And you don't like it that the game isn't smooth logging in during alpha? And you don't like the controls (which can be changed/customized to run like every other MMO btw)...
Soooo what do you want us to do about it? What is your point? You know good and well bashing and trolling something here will cause hostility so why are you surprised?
The 'no jump' topic has been a topic discussed countless times, it's beating a tree with a stick. People just don't feel like talking about it for the thousandth time.
define "amazing WASD control"... like...pressing WASD should play the game for you and win epic gear and run you through end game for you? what is this amazing control you speak of?
WASD is cornfuncular anyway. Ive always used the mouse and arrow keys.
No one is going to report you here... well atleast not me, if someone can dish it out then they can take it so its cool man.
There are a ton of things I really dislike about the game myself, the no jump being one of them. But you can change the keyboard type to use the standard WASD functions in the game. You can do this with both FFXI and FFXIV, I think the JP call it compact keyboard or something of the sort, their keyboards are different in Japan so they name the settings a bit funny under config.
That's the only reason I uninstalled ff11 after 30 mins. It really really pissed me off and ruined the game for me that they couldn't design a customizable control set. If 14 can't use wasd correctly I'd rather play wow.
Have you played FFXI? I tried it a few months ago and it took me a good 10 minutes to figure out how to move, and a good week to become used to the controls. I quit before I was entirely comfortable with them because it just wasn't fun for me.
The reason for the strange controls is most likely because the game was made primarily for the PS3, and they put little effort in to changing it for the PC. If you have a console controller, plug that in and it will probably feel very natural. If you see larger-than-average UI, text, and dialogue, this is also an obvious sign that the game was designed for consoles. If you really want to put in the effort to test the game (it may be worth it if you give it a shot), try adapting to the new control set up. That probably entails not using your mouse at all, and controlling mostly from the num pad.
The invisible walls you mention could be for a couple reasons. Can you jump in the game? Can you fall off anything? If not, the game most likely doesn't have 3D movement. While you're seeing a 3D game, your character can really only move in two dimensions. Guild Wars and a lot of other Asian MMOs tend to do this. If you CAN jump and fall, they invisible walls are probably just temporary.
I appreciate you guys seeing where im coming from, by no means do i want to come off like im flaming this game.
This game has a ton of potential and i will admit the cut-scenes are graphics are gorgeous but im here to try to make this game better for the rest of you fellas and im reporting alot of things, although right now the Dev's are nearly non-existent on the forums and alot of the guys are asking for some Dev feedback because we feel like we arent being heard at all. Im serious.. there is 0 communication between us and SE.. its pretty sad.
And again.. im not trolling nor am i flaming so there is no need for any FF fanbois to get at me as if im trying to trash their precious FF game. The whole point of my post was that as a long time MMO veteran we should have those controls early on in the game and if they arent going to put them in that it's going to cause a huge stir in the future population of this amazing franchise. Gamepads are cool and all but most players with a MMO background are going to look for their WASD because its been such a staple since the infancy of MMO's .
It's like forcing a long time console halo player to play with a keyboard/mouse set-up, ive let my friends try out some FPS' on my computer and its hilarious to watch them try to use something so foreign to them.
I will no doubt be in line for this game if they get those controls fixed and please PLEASE PLEASE! Let us jump. Lol
I promise that i'll continue to give my point of view during my playtesting . Without breaking the NDA that is. ^_^
Thanks again guys and take care
When did this happen, WASD wasn't popular until the WoW and EQII era started. Go ahead and look up the controls for MMOs before then, Pretty much all of them used the Arrow Keys, Numpad or the Mouse exclusively as their base scheme.
UO ~ Mouse Control
EQ ~ 8462 Numpad
AC ~ Arrow Keys
AC2 ~ Had both Arrow Keys and WASD
DAoC ~ Arrow Keys
FFXI ~ 8462 Numpad
For the record, even after 2004 I think I still reconfigured my controls to use the Arrow Keys or Numpad for awhile after. My roommates at the time had to get me used to playing with WASD...it was not comfortable to me then, and while it is now, I can still enjoy a game that has motion in any of the three locations. FFXI for instance is horrible with WASD...IMHO, and I greatly prefer the Numpad moving my char and Arrow Keys for the camera, and no mouse.
If I'm not mistaken didn't Tanaka state that classic FFXI controls may/will be an option for long time vets, and if that remains true I'll prolly end up using them again.
Aye me too, not because I'm just too stubborn to use mouse+kb, but because I'm lefty and using mouse with right hand is very tiring after a while >_>. Too lazy to relearn it, and see no need anyway.
I am wondering though, the controls could be better in Alpha but so could many other things, I don't think controls are even the worst feature there is currently.
"0 communication" is also exaggeration, but they're not as active as some other devs for sure. They Have said time and time again that our feedback is appreciated and taken into consideration though, so I dunno what else they could do. We'll see the end result in the Beta version anyway.
Gamers not familiar with Square-Enix also have to understand that they have always done their own in-house testing, or on occassion they're hired in professional testers or fmaily only for everything they've made prior. And look how great every update for FFXI and their other MMOs are when released...they usually work flawlessly everytime, and if a certain feature is not ready, they say so in the update notes that it needs more time and postpone it until the next one. SE won't released broken crap just because; like other MMO devs do and then try and patch it while the fan boys cry foul everywhere.
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if this Alpha/Beta testing is just a facade, expecting leaks for advertising and hype, while they do the real testing in-house per usual. I say this cause only Limsa Lomensa is being allowed to be seen and tested by the public, while the remaining areas, plot and features are all being done in-house or by paid professionals.
Sure SE may be listening to testers 'kinda' but I believe they know what is best and already have a clear, core design set in motion regardless of what is said on the beta forums.
There are more than enough bugs and glitches with every update, and 3-4 emergency maintenances usually follow during the week after the patch. It's not really as rosy as you make it out to be.
Whether that has more to do with the "spaghetti code" of XI or the lack of in-game Q&A personnel is up for debate, but the updates are never flawless. Always comical to see what's broken though, sometimes it makes you wonder how it's even possible to break some of those things.
Like when they added weather spells to Scholar and suddenly one monster type's special skill healed it for 10x more than it should have. The skill could only be used when bad weather was on so implementing spells that manipulate weather to SCH somehow broke that mob. Funny stuff.
I'm thinking more on a mass scale...there are always a few small issues. For the most part they've always worked rather well!
I'd say that even generally, they're not very smooth at all.
However, it is compensated with the fact that aside from updates, there is no server downtime whatsoever. 3-4 maintenances every 3 months is not much.
I am not jelous at all, I signed up, but I also said I only had 4 hours a week time to play, because I know I can get 4 free hours, but more then that will be harder, so I didn't want to lie. I don't expect any invetations, and they shouldn't if they can find enough people with more time then me.
What I dislike about your post is that you don't even want to try it. It is testing, if it sucks let SE please know, instead of walking away. I want FFXIV to be great, so please don't give up on it. You could see my post as a flame I guess, but it is just a post of a FFXI lover who is excited about FFXIV.
Oh and I am scared that it will fail. EQ2 has failed in my eyes, if EQ2 can fail then FFXIV could also fail. Also mythic with warhammer failed, while they were the ones that created DaoC. While EQ2 and also WAR aren't bad MMORPG's, I expected so much more from them because they had expierenced devolpers behind it.
Also the 4862 controls in FFXI was really disliked, while it did take time to learn, when I learned it I loved it.
I even tried to set my other games with the same setup, but never felt so good as in FFXI.
My 2 longest MMORPG's before FFXI were, UO (mouse control) DaoC WASD and mouse.
Still I prefer FFXI keyboard only. I did try out a controller, but I disliked it, keyboard is easier to use and has more buttons.
But enough people complain about the horrible controls of FFXI.
Do FFXI controls suck? For some it is to annoying, and others like me love it. Now I hope you going to tell me it is the same crap as in FFXI, because then I am relieved.
Anyway, if I came of as a flame then I apologize.
I just want FFXIV to be good, and I hope testers will really test the game.
You're getting flamed because you're posting here instead of voicing your concerns on the official alpha forums.
Bitch to them and hopefully they come up with decent controls that don't involve a controller. For the record, i used a controller for XI and it worked out fine due to the slow pace. Now i'm so used to moving with a mouse in other MMO's that i can't even use WASD anymore as it feels too slow.
no matter how it is in alpha at the moment its all up for tweaks, do hope they listen to the PC users tho.