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actually you need to pay in DDO as well. Pretty much all the endgame stuff needs to be purchased before you can actually run the dungeons.
Pretty much
I love it and everyone thought WoW would be the first to do this! makes me want to laugh in everyones faces that said that.
Well thats basically whats happening, people are complaining way to much about how its going to end up and its not even Beta yet. People keep assuming that the community is going to go bad, do people have ESP, I think not. Look at how the store is going to be made up, whats going to be in it, we already know some, like cosmetics, maybe helpful potions or something to that nature, expansions, mostly what you would find in the DDO store. But some people are already jumping the gun, saying its all going to go down hill. Thats an opinion, based on previous trends of other games. As I see it, the community may not change much at all, but thats my opinion. Why well because, I dont see many "WoW-heads" coming over from WoW just to play this, maybe to try it, sure will probably see some trolls, but who knows. If "WoW-heads" truly wanted to play this, rather than WoW, we would have seen the community go down hill, but then they wouldn't be considered "WoW-heads" then. The subscription is the same as WoW. forThis game appeals more to the Tolkien-fanatics than any other, nothing like WoW does for almost everyone else. Sure this game can also appeal to others, but most of you think of this as negative to what happened to other games. Basically your asking to play the whole game for FREE, and that is not the case, sure you have everything unlocked, if your a lifer/sub, but your throwing all that away just by canceling your sub. This setup is for those who want to play for Free and then buy what they want to buy, when they want to buy it, ie Mines of Moria, or whatever else. Sure I understand some stuff shouldn't be limited, but I understand why they limit what they limit, for example Gold, why did they limit it, so they keep out Gold Sellers, sure we may have more but, Turbine has been doing a damn good job of keeping the bulk of them out. I am not here to argue, and not to harrass the complainers, they can quit all they want. I am just saying that you quitters are quitting way to soon, just look at the past with what Turbine did, hell this stuff is subject to change. They may change anything at anytime. As for the items in shop, I'd say its just going to be stuff that you want to buy, not stuff you need. This isn't a game thats just coming out as a F2P, its transition from P2P to F2P. I believe the store will not change actual gameplay, but they did say that they will change the starting areas, to better faciliate, their transition to F2P.
Again, you have 2 character slots less than you have now, EVEN as a VIP (I currently have seven, VIPs only have 5). SO dont tell me that nothing is going to change for subscribers!!!
Plus, Gamecards wont work anymore. So that too is a change that I will very much dislike. Plus, F2P is annoying me. Nothing but brats that buy gear with their daddies money and annoy the crap out of everybody when they complain about the lack of XP from grind and that there is to much to read in the quest descriptions.
I dont need players like that. I just dont! Also, I can promise you that they will lower the XP you get even as a VIP player, compared to now. So that even VIPs will have to go and buy those XPboosters in their Shop. The whole idea of the shop makes me want to puke. It totally ruins emmersion in the game if I have constantly have to go and spend real cash on shit in their store, or even have to hear about others doing that! Hey maybe they will soon start spamming us with adds for their latest deal in their store.
Bottomline is developers are a business, business want to make money. F2P models make so much more money than subscription games ever will, except for WoW, but they advertise during primetime TV. If I add up all the money I've spent on online games, F2P games is about double AT LEAST, but I've played more hours on subscription games. It only makes sense as a business to go with the F2P model. I wouldn't be suprised in 10 years if there wasn't a single subscription game around. Get used to it.
P.S. I hope Mythic is watching, f2p DAoC and WAR anyone?
I gave up reading all the posts back about page 7, cause they are all the same. One group is pissed, the other group is fine.
I am a founder/life member. From the very beginning. So I have more than gotten my money's worth. I will continue to play cause I love the game. Turbine owes me nothing.
So things change. Does you life never change? Did you have a job and are now unemployed? Does everything run smoothly for you?
They promised things you say. But nothing is written in stone. Granted when I heard WB bought it I did go "oh S--T. But well it happens.
All games promise things, new content, better this or that. It doesn't always happen. I always worry when they say, "oh a patch will be on Mon morning" Thinking that something might not go wrong. Then when they say oops sorry we are having a problem. Then people go. "But you said mon morning." Maybe your life you have never had disappointment or things happen. Wonderful then.
To the ones that say "I Quit". well sorry you feel that way. Maybe later you will reconsider.
In regards to the thought of all the little twits that tend to be annoying. Ignore works great.
In the meantime, relax, breathe, and wait and find out. Waiting to see costs you nothing. If it helps the game, will that not be a good thing?
Wow, I only read the first couple pages because most people seemed clueless. All I saw was a ton of rants. Several people posted about how they had level 65 toons now and maxxed crafted guild rep. Then all they did was complain because they acted like it was all going to be taken away and they would have to "pay to win." Perhaps gamers need to work on their comprehension levels.
What is so hard to understand. If you have level 65 toons now then do you own a lifetime sub? Congratz you are a VIP member and you get to keep everything, plus you get a monthly stipend in their store. Nothing changes for you. You don't have a gold limit or crafting level limit. Or do you pay a monthly fee....guess what, just keep paying your monthly fee like normal and nothing changes. You will be a VIP member. How hard is that to understand.
What this does is give new players a chance to experience the world for free. They can then unlock parts of the game for cash, like a free to play model, or they can subscribe just like in the old system and be considered a VIP member. It is really that simple. The current players can just keep doing what they are doing now and stay at the same level.
Edit: I have a lifetime sub, and I think this is a great deal. Now all my friends that have been on the fence can come play with me. I lose nothing.
Agreed...Anyone who did not at least think this was a possibility with the success of DDO's Hybrid/F2P is a bit blind if you ask me...
As an Account holder on LOTRO it's REAL hard for Me to understand why anyone would have a big issue with this move to the Hybrid/F2P...I'm going to continue to Pay for My Sub and I'm thrilled this may mean a boost to Subs overall...There will be a boost in My own House...I know now that My Girlfriend and Her Son will be playing LOTRO every now and again...I have 2 Guildies that are coming back for sure...They only quit because they're always broke...
...I can't see how it will hurt anything to be honest...But it certainly is going to give Me more Folks to Play with...And that's all good if you ask Me...
Exactly!!!
Lifetime subscribers should get EVERYTHING for free.. including every item in the turbine shop and as many of them as they want.
I don't have a lifetime sub (glad I don't now), but there is no other fair way. Lifetime sub promises no other codes to access any of the games content. They already went back on that with Siege Of Mirkwood.. and lost alot of players.
Turbine are going to screw up here... this game didn't need to go free to play until it was dying. Now they have just cheapend it.
LIfetime subs promise only that those with one will never pay a monthly subscription fee. We paid for Moria. We paid for Mirkwood. Since I got mine at launch, I've basically been playing for free now for more than a year. I don't expect to be given every item in the new store for free. Egads! there's supposedly 2,500 items in there. I'll take my 500 points a month allowance and unlock more of the shared storage then save points for the next paid expansion (Rohan?).
The only point I can somewhat see is now (as a lifetime sub) you will be limited to what you can get with your 500 pts a month, whereas before you were not limited (those same items in the shop were already in the gameworld). It's a valid point, but it's a pretty narrow view if you want to focus only on the negative (probably the only negative).
I'm actually more dissapointed for those people who actually bought the lifetime memebership. Plus, here are my $40 going down the drain, guess I'll stick with WoW for now.
Keep in mind that when the game switches over to free to play, you might have as much at 4,500 points on day one.
Founder lifetime members get 1,500 points.
You get 500 points per anniversary of the game, so if you were there since day one, you get another 1,500.
You also get 500 a month until they launch the free to play, which is about three months or more so that's another 1,500.
then you get the first month, so that would be a total of 5000 turbine points in your wallet.
How much $ would you have to spend to get that much?
First of all read the fine print, you get to keep everything, if your already a subscriber, when transition occurs. There is no saying of Turbine taking away anything from what you already have, unless your like some who just up and quit without giving it a chance. So if you bought Mines of Moria, and Siege of Mirkwood. You get to keep the expansions, all character slots, everything that you got is yours to keep. The only reason why they have shown 5 is because thats how many a person who comes to play after LOTRO transitions to F2P. Next, they are not saying they will be adding actual stat'ed gear, its just cosmetic gear, just for looks, there is no "pay to win" crap. They did mention that there will be like a Beginners Pack with gear in it but thats all there is, just to help those new to the game. How do you know Gamecards wont work, found a page saying they wont? How is this game going to be a grind? This is not an actual Korean made F2P, where you just grind, but I guess doing tons of quest, counts as grinding to you. Because it really sounds to me like you think this game is going to turn into a Korean grindfest, please, just be quite.
Also no one is making you buy anything, so leave the game if your going to be all pissy about stuff you have no clue about.
Maybe you should read the FAQ. I think that is the problem with most of the posts. The misinformation is astounding. If you have 7 slots now as a subscriber, you will have 7 slots after the F2P launch.
Did they lower the XP in DnDO when they launched the xp pots? We already have an example of what will happen, just look at DDO. We get too much xp as is. I wouldn't be upset at a decrease. Though I doubt they do that. The doom and gloom in this thread is hilarious. It's funny how everyone has become Miss Cleo.
I call bullshit on this. I've been playing DDO off and on for months, and not once have I ever been messaged in game about the shop unless I was trying to access something i had to pay for. Don't feed more misinformation into the pot.
Well maybe on non-roleplaying-servers (I guess US still don't have designated RP servers) the fact that some like it and some don't may be true.
As far as the german roleplaying community is concerned, 90% hate the change. There will be idiots creating characters with stupid names left and right in Bree.
While I _do_ know that the traditional idea of MMOPRGs as a multimedia development of the non-electronic RPG is a dieing breed, I can still truly hate the current facebookesque approach the genre is taking.
People tend to say "yay good thing more players, more freedom, more fun". That may all be right and true. But this dinosaur here thinks that the kids should get the f*** off my lawn and keep playing runescape, CoD IV or farmville. I personally would pay 50 bucks a month and get the age barrier up to 21 just to get rid of exactly the guys that flood free to play games.
Oh well, I can always go back to EvE and blow casual newbs up until they quit. Oh yea, and quit they will...
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Aye, I have played DDO for quite awhile now aswell (now that it turned F2P), and I havent gotten any messages like that, expect on the areas that are only avalaible on purchase.
Turbine knows what they are doing with the cash shops.
All they are doing is taking Lotro, slicing it up like a pizza pie and selling each piece of explorable area off for a 1 time purchase.
If it's pricing is anything like the DDO store, then it could save you upwards of $50.
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I'm not.
I'm actually disappointed that I never bothered getting the lifetime membership when it was offered and rather envy those that did.
...and I'm not sure one way or the opther how f2p will play out in this game. Some of you though are really being silly about it. Way too much doom & gloom going on when the reality is we're not sure how this will pan out yet.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I'm not disaapointed as a lifetimer either. I have gotten my money's worth. 3 years of gameplay, and I'll be a VIP member until the game officially closes. I'll get monthly credits even if I don't login. What is their to be angry about? I can keep playing the same game.
People said the same thing about DDO . Its now turned around from a failing game to a succesful one . LOTRO in comparison is more successful and i believe its a better game . Free to play may make it the most successful fantasy mmo this side of WoW . I would rather that than it face decline .