@Deewe - that was an awesome player made vid thanks for the link, I've never seen that before and can't beleive it's only had 900 odd views! Every MMO player should watch that vid, Click his link everyone
I guess both the OP and I are honored your first and single post was for us
Now that vid was just one among many others. I invite you to jump here. I managed to list some nice vids. Even if, since I made the post, some video have ben taken out, or the music removed due to copyright issues, you might fin some... entertaining ^_^
LOL at these guys bashing a wonderful and rare article....A girlie girl playing an mmo is highly encouraged no matter what u do ingame. Plz we need more of ya!
I think the first two paragraphs seemed defensive and attacking all because she's a girl damn it!
The rest of the article was fine. Although being that the main focus of the game in the PvP, perhaps having someone at least interested in the main target audience of the game would of been better.
It's just the way those first two paragraphs came off that kind of killed it. Anytime there is a post on the forums that even remotely touches the "How do guys and girls view this differently" subject, there is a certain section of the female population that feels the need to be overly defensive about it as opposed to just having a discussion. It hadn't shown up in the articles with the new female writer you have (it did show up a bit with the previous moody one), I just hope it doesn't become a trend in the articles here.
First article I read from a womens perspective and its the most sex driven a article I've read on this site. Go figure lol.
So, a woman writes a review from a girls perspective, and we end up talking about the sizes of mens manhoods. This, along with an experience at butlins in England on a stag night weekend (where I encountered hen nights) leads me to believe you women are more sex driven then men! Not that it's bad, it's just, ironic considering what my girlfriend says about myself.
Apart from the weak, very weak anology, It was rather good!
Mind you I'm one of those guys who refuse to play a female avatar, and on STO I felt making the female members of my crew have large breasts just wasn't right lol. Size doesn't really matter. I mean, its the face you wake upto every morning for the rest of your life, gotta get that part right!
Honestly though I enjoy the visual stuff and social stuff more than the killing quite often. Main reason I'm looking forward to APB to be honest. In matrix online, instead of always making sure I had the right weapons, I made sure I had the right waistcoat/jacket combination on. Oh and of course, the best shades
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
The equivalent customization for the male avatar is not available. No, I'm not talking about making the "pecs" bigger. Would it really be that hard to allow us to change the "package" size? If I can make my female avatar's melons bigger than her head, it only seems fair? Or is everyone OK with this double standard? For the sake of equality, Realtime Worlds please let me make the bulge on my virtual Ken doll a tad bulgier.
Hey hey hey wait... you're being sexist!! You want a bigger bulge on your *male* avatar? Why only *male*? What if i want to play a pretty ladyboy avatar with big melons AND a sizable bulge? :P
"Most sites don't cater much to the female point of view"
maybe that's because you just had two full paragraphs complaining about how unfair the gaming life is to women and pretty much just attacked and downed men gamers? and you go on to say how you're a girlie girl and you love pink and shiny stuff. sorry, but if that's the case i don't see how you have any business previewing this game. this would have been a good read, but right when you say something like "one girls opinion" you instantly know it'll be a "oh the poor girl gamers."
"Most sites don't cater much to the female point of view"
maybe that's because you just had two full paragraphs complaining about how unfair the gaming life is to women and pretty much just attacked and downed men gamers? and you go on to say how you're a girlie girl and you love pink and shiny stuff. sorry, but if that's the case i don't see how you have any business previewing this game. this would have been a good read, but right when you say something like "one girls opinion" you instantly know it'll be a "oh the poor girl gamers."
Let me start off by saying I am a 32 year old female gamer who has been avidly obsessed with gaming since I got my Apple IIC for my 5th birthday. At conventions I have led panels on being a woman in gaming and I have been interviewed several times for my opinions on being a female/mother who games.
Ok, so I have let you know my credentials. Let me say this... Your article did nothing but infuriate me. Many of us have worked hard over the past 20 years to prove that we are just as valuable a customer as the men who game, and your article probably set back the opinion of the female gamer for many a male on here.
It is a lot of fun to customize your avatar, and it's the one thing I am looking forward to doing in this game, since the game itself doesn't sound like my cup of tea. But gameplay, a good community, and replayability is what I care about most.
Yes, I am a girlie girl. I am obsessed with purple, I have a unicorn collection, and my makeup bag is overflowing with cosmetics, but never have I once felt that need to make the "junk" of my male avatars bigger. Never have I thought "hey, all this gameplay is so boring, I hope I can just get to the good stuff like making my avatar pretty!"
I am sorry if this sounds like an attack. Everyone has their opinions and style of play, but please, gentlemen... she doesn't speak for all female gamers. Believe me!
I like character creation and the social aspect of gaming too, and I'm a guy. I will spend a considerable amount of time playing around to get my avatar to look just the way I want. And getting clothes and armor is not always about stats, which is why I appreciate a vanity tab that allows me the ability to look the way I want. I think more game activities besides combat is a very good thing as it keeps the game appeal varied.
As far as male avatars having a crotch bulge, I don't really think you can compare it to breasts. For instance, a breast you can pull out in a restaraunt or other public setting and begin nursing a child. I can not take out my male organ in a restaraunt booth without getting arrested and registered as a sex offender. So I think it's kind of an apples and oranges sort of argument. Also, it doesn't seem like a very girly girl request to me. Now having said that, sometimes looking at my male characters I think it looks a little strange when the crotch of a male avatar is completely flat. It just looks wrong. Male avatars should have some kind of bulge down there....but assigning a slider to it is kind of an over the top request.
Originally posted by ryuga81 The equivalent customization for the male avatar is not available. No, I'm not talking about making the "pecs" bigger. Would it really be that hard to allow us to change the "package" size? If I can make my female avatar's melons bigger than her head, it only seems fair? Or is everyone OK with this double standard? For the sake of equality, Realtime Worlds please let me make the bulge on my virtual Ken doll a tad bulgier.
Hey hey hey wait... you're being sexist!! You want a bigger bulge on your *male* avatar? Why only *male*? What if i want to play a pretty ladyboy avatar with big melons AND a sizable bulge? :P
I appreciate your point of view on things and that MMORPG.com is trying to add a girl's look on upcoming games, but this article seemed like a bit of a joke to me. I suppose it should say "A casual gamers opinion." because none of this was really relevant to "girl gamers".
Saying you like pink and that the starting clothes were "icky" just adds to the stereotypes of girls who pick up their male friends games and attempt to fit in.. I have to agree with ninesling, these few paragraphs on make-up didn't do "girl gamers" any justice.
I am a girl gamer too.. I love playing games, I design games casually and do game research (including in customization).
We all know that not all girls enjoy playing games the same way. We play different games. We play games for different reasons. For some it is making your avatars prettier for others being part of a gaming community or being able to be the best of what you can do in the game. Yes, male and female players often have somewhat different preferences when it comes to games - as it is for may things in life.
I don't know if APB will be the game for girls, but detailed avatar customization is a catch for the game. I have not been in the beta unfortunately so i don't know how much you can customize what your character can do - like assigning talent points at WoW. If it is as flexible, i am all about it. I value flexibility in actions as much as aesthetics of avatars.
I think you guys might be missing the point a little bit.
The "girlie girl" perspective in the article is more about the non-gamer girls out there, and the writer is an exception to that rule in that she does play.
Of course it's not representative to girl-gamers, but they're already girls who play videogames! So this is more about those that don't play, and what they could potentially like about these games.
I think you guys might be missing the point a little bit.
The "girlie girl" perspective in the article is more about the non-gamer girls out there, and the writer is an exception to that rule in that she does play.
Of course it's not representative to girl-gamers, but they're already girls who play videogames! So this is more about those that don't play, and what they could potentially like about these games.
At least the way that I see it.
Or, bit of grey area? Not entirely non-gamer, but those casual girl gamers, who like MMOs and RPGs, but don't tend to like action games much. Like my gf, she really got into Aion for a while, Oblivion, and Fallout III, but a game like APB? All the customization in the world wouldn't make her hate the gameplay any less.
I suspect that it'll be about as popular with girl-gamers as a 97% guy-game like EVE. Relatively, I mean. Not that it'll be anywhere near as successful as EVE.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Lets face it... Most gamers are immature guys with limited real world experience and even more limited "real female" experience.
Only 14 posts in and we're already stereotyping a massive population around the world of many different people and ethnicities. Awesome.
And essentially what I learned from this article = girls can now relive their childhood Barbie moments with APB's dressup district. It's sad to say the "dressup" aspect of APB is much more polished than the actual, you know, cop and robbers part.
I found the author the perfect example of the type of girls I would rather not see populating game worlds. They are the female equivalent of the your lamers/spammers/leets. Annoying players with average IQ that simply get in the way, whatever their style of doing so. Gr.
Also, her lame analogy of breasts to package size makes her seem shallow and insecure. Honestly, I fail to see how attacking a side that promotes some stupid behavior makes sense when a person will do the exact same thing, in this case promoting the size of an avatar's manhood.
And for anyone out there who really thinks size matters, I am average, yet the girl I am with definitely does not have an average experience in bed.
My blog is a continuing story of what MMO's should be like.
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I guess both the OP and I are honored your first and single post was for us
Now that vid was just one among many others. I invite you to jump here. I managed to list some nice vids. Even if, since I made the post, some video have ben taken out, or the music removed due to copyright issues, you might fin some... entertaining ^_^
looks like one of those sit around and talk trash in the lobby games. i'll pass.
LOL at these guys bashing a wonderful and rare article....A girlie girl playing an mmo is highly encouraged no matter what u do ingame. Plz we need more of ya!
I think the first two paragraphs seemed defensive and attacking all because she's a girl damn it!
The rest of the article was fine. Although being that the main focus of the game in the PvP, perhaps having someone at least interested in the main target audience of the game would of been better.
It's just the way those first two paragraphs came off that kind of killed it. Anytime there is a post on the forums that even remotely touches the "How do guys and girls view this differently" subject, there is a certain section of the female population that feels the need to be overly defensive about it as opposed to just having a discussion. It hadn't shown up in the articles with the new female writer you have (it did show up a bit with the previous moody one), I just hope it doesn't become a trend in the articles here.
Great article, too bad some of the male posters had to show their ignorance.
I adore girls who play MMOs. That was great article, it made me smile the whole time i was reading it.
An odd pastiche of an article, did we learn anything? Girls will like the makeup but not sure about the Guns, not that much of a shock there really.
There are girl gamer sites aren’t there? So I see girls as being well represented online.
I do look at package size...always! And most of the times im rly dissapointed!!
First article I read from a womens perspective and its the most sex driven a article I've read on this site. Go figure lol.
So, a woman writes a review from a girls perspective, and we end up talking about the sizes of mens manhoods. This, along with an experience at butlins in England on a stag night weekend (where I encountered hen nights) leads me to believe you women are more sex driven then men! Not that it's bad, it's just, ironic considering what my girlfriend says about myself.
Apart from the weak, very weak anology, It was rather good!
Mind you I'm one of those guys who refuse to play a female avatar, and on STO I felt making the female members of my crew have large breasts just wasn't right lol. Size doesn't really matter. I mean, its the face you wake upto every morning for the rest of your life, gotta get that part right!
Honestly though I enjoy the visual stuff and social stuff more than the killing quite often. Main reason I'm looking forward to APB to be honest. In matrix online, instead of always making sure I had the right weapons, I made sure I had the right waistcoat/jacket combination on. Oh and of course, the best shades
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
Hey hey hey wait... you're being sexist!! You want a bigger bulge on your *male* avatar? Why only *male*? What if i want to play a pretty ladyboy avatar with big melons AND a sizable bulge? :P
"Most sites don't cater much to the female point of view"
maybe that's because you just had two full paragraphs complaining about how unfair the gaming life is to women and pretty much just attacked and downed men gamers? and you go on to say how you're a girlie girl and you love pink and shiny stuff. sorry, but if that's the case i don't see how you have any business previewing this game. this would have been a good read, but right when you say something like "one girls opinion" you instantly know it'll be a "oh the poor girl gamers."
Sounds like you have some issues to work out bub.
Let me start off by saying I am a 32 year old female gamer who has been avidly obsessed with gaming since I got my Apple IIC for my 5th birthday. At conventions I have led panels on being a woman in gaming and I have been interviewed several times for my opinions on being a female/mother who games.
Ok, so I have let you know my credentials. Let me say this... Your article did nothing but infuriate me. Many of us have worked hard over the past 20 years to prove that we are just as valuable a customer as the men who game, and your article probably set back the opinion of the female gamer for many a male on here.
It is a lot of fun to customize your avatar, and it's the one thing I am looking forward to doing in this game, since the game itself doesn't sound like my cup of tea. But gameplay, a good community, and replayability is what I care about most.
Yes, I am a girlie girl. I am obsessed with purple, I have a unicorn collection, and my makeup bag is overflowing with cosmetics, but never have I once felt that need to make the "junk" of my male avatars bigger. Never have I thought "hey, all this gameplay is so boring, I hope I can just get to the good stuff like making my avatar pretty!"
I am sorry if this sounds like an attack. Everyone has their opinions and style of play, but please, gentlemen... she doesn't speak for all female gamers. Believe me!
And for the record, Jaime Skelton does an excellent job on here of giving us female perspectives without shoving the "gamer chick" tag in our faces.
I like character creation and the social aspect of gaming too, and I'm a guy. I will spend a considerable amount of time playing around to get my avatar to look just the way I want. And getting clothes and armor is not always about stats, which is why I appreciate a vanity tab that allows me the ability to look the way I want. I think more game activities besides combat is a very good thing as it keeps the game appeal varied.
As far as male avatars having a crotch bulge, I don't really think you can compare it to breasts. For instance, a breast you can pull out in a restaraunt or other public setting and begin nursing a child. I can not take out my male organ in a restaraunt booth without getting arrested and registered as a sex offender. So I think it's kind of an apples and oranges sort of argument. Also, it doesn't seem like a very girly girl request to me. Now having said that, sometimes looking at my male characters I think it looks a little strange when the crotch of a male avatar is completely flat. It just looks wrong. Male avatars should have some kind of bulge down there....but assigning a slider to it is kind of an over the top request.
I think one person put it best.
Equity not equality. (Paraphrased)
-Al-Baqarah 2:228
When you've done something right, no one will know you've done anything at all. -Unknown
Hey hey hey wait... you're being sexist!! You want a bigger bulge on your *male* avatar? Why only *male*? What if i want to play a pretty ladyboy avatar with big melons AND a sizable bulge? :P
QFT!
Guild Wars 2 is my religion
I appreciate your point of view on things and that MMORPG.com is trying to add a girl's look on upcoming games, but this article seemed like a bit of a joke to me. I suppose it should say "A casual gamers opinion." because none of this was really relevant to "girl gamers".
Saying you like pink and that the starting clothes were "icky" just adds to the stereotypes of girls who pick up their male friends games and attempt to fit in.. I have to agree with ninesling, these few paragraphs on make-up didn't do "girl gamers" any justice.
I am a girl gamer too.. I love playing games, I design games casually and do game research (including in customization).
We all know that not all girls enjoy playing games the same way. We play different games. We play games for different reasons. For some it is making your avatars prettier for others being part of a gaming community or being able to be the best of what you can do in the game. Yes, male and female players often have somewhat different preferences when it comes to games - as it is for may things in life.
I don't know if APB will be the game for girls, but detailed avatar customization is a catch for the game. I have not been in the beta unfortunately so i don't know how much you can customize what your character can do - like assigning talent points at WoW. If it is as flexible, i am all about it. I value flexibility in actions as much as aesthetics of avatars.
I think you guys might be missing the point a little bit.
The "girlie girl" perspective in the article is more about the non-gamer girls out there, and the writer is an exception to that rule in that she does play.
Of course it's not representative to girl-gamers, but they're already girls who play videogames! So this is more about those that don't play, and what they could potentially like about these games.
At least the way that I see it.
Or, bit of grey area? Not entirely non-gamer, but those casual girl gamers, who like MMOs and RPGs, but don't tend to like action games much. Like my gf, she really got into Aion for a while, Oblivion, and Fallout III, but a game like APB? All the customization in the world wouldn't make her hate the gameplay any less.
I suspect that it'll be about as popular with girl-gamers as a 97% guy-game like EVE. Relatively, I mean. Not that it'll be anywhere near as successful as EVE.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Only 14 posts in and we're already stereotyping a massive population around the world of many different people and ethnicities. Awesome.
And essentially what I learned from this article = girls can now relive their childhood Barbie moments with APB's dressup district. It's sad to say the "dressup" aspect of APB is much more polished than the actual, you know, cop and robbers part.
As always it is easier to get the graphics right than it is the game play.
Hey, she want to make APB into a game for girls? OMG!!!
This is not Second life!!!
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I found the author the perfect example of the type of girls I would rather not see populating game worlds. They are the female equivalent of the your lamers/spammers/leets. Annoying players with average IQ that simply get in the way, whatever their style of doing so. Gr.
Also, her lame analogy of breasts to package size makes her seem shallow and insecure. Honestly, I fail to see how attacking a side that promotes some stupid behavior makes sense when a person will do the exact same thing, in this case promoting the size of an avatar's manhood.
And for anyone out there who really thinks size matters, I am average, yet the girl I am with definitely does not have an average experience in bed.
My blog is a continuing story of what MMO's should be like.