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All Points Bulletin: One Girl's Opinion

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  • bcrankshawbcrankshaw Member Posts: 547

    Originally posted by lifesbrink

    I found the author the perfect example of the type of girls I would rather not see populating game worlds.  They are the female equivalent of the your lamers/spammers/leets.  Annoying players with average IQ that simply get in the way, whatever their style of doing so.  Gr.

     

     

     Whatever ..so lets not  consider the views that actually would be an influencing factor when a women decides to play an MMO.Lets just insult the OP because your sexist views of what constitute a " matureacceptable gamer" is what matters

     

    Good review Op .I laughed several times ,especially about the part of buying jeans :)

    Good to get some female perspective :)

    "after the time of dice came the day of mice "

  • bcrankshawbcrankshaw Member Posts: 547

    Originally posted by Chickeh


    I appreciate your point of view on things and that MMORPG.com is trying to add a girl's look on upcoming games, but this article seemed like a bit of a joke to me. I suppose it should say "A casual gamers opinion." because none of this was really relevant to "girl gamers".


     


    Saying you like pink and that the starting clothes were "icky" just adds to the stereotypes of girls who pick up their male friends games and attempt to fit in.. I have to agree with ninesling, these few paragraphs on make-up didn't do "girl gamers" any justice.

     

    I have to honest I'm confused by your comments ?

    If I created a thread about how awesome sports and fast cars were  it would be supported and accepted by many males

    Now a female creates  a post about stating that make-up and clothes are important to her in the game and she gets attacked by another female ?

    Its like she can't be honest about things that matter to her because it sounds "girlie "

    So are we saying that you can't actually like clothes and make-up in an MMO and consider yourself a girl gamer ?

    "after the time of dice came the day of mice "

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,459

    Clearly some girl gamers feel the need to advocate the feminist agenda more than others, the OP is being berated by her more righteous sisters. :D

  • ReianorReianor Member Posts: 38

    yeah, right... and next we hear people complaining about not being able to customize the actual sets of organs... and being able to ad some that humans don't even have, because clearly all kind of perverts have their rights...

    [several decades later]

    ...And since the dogs are allowed to bite humans we should allow humans to bite dogs - that would only be fair, you know, protecting our rights is very important...

    Humanity in general is acting like a kid these days... focus it's attention on not being allowed to lick a door hinge during winter and next thing you know it does exactly that... even though it could have lived a whole life without ever thinking about it...

    Warning ... rant probability hight... invoking countermeasures... this comment will be shut down.

  • GevaudenGevauden Member Posts: 21

    Cool I'm happy girly girls can find a home in APB I agree with everything she said expecialy about the double standard, they should give us the option for male buldge size and hell female buldge size bad enough the fattest I can make the girl character she still looks rather thin unlike the males who can look grossly obese.  Another sexist thing going on.

     

    But the upside to all this is that APB is a PV online game meaning if you suggest this stuff to them they will and shall implement it into the game it is after all a Rate M game so the things you mentioned aren't far fetched to achieve.

     

    As for the vedazzling of clothes you sounded like you couldn't do that?  whne in fact you can, try creating a symvol or use a shape and minimize it and color it and bam put it on the jeans and u have your bedazzled jeans.

     

    This game has the best custimization I have ever seen in a video game to date and the axtion is also very pleaseing, this is a highly social game I wish everyone used their mics it makes the experience way more fun and real.

     

    Great game and I'm happy girls play it aswell they need more power in the video game industry for sure and by the way the future is looking with women being the bread winners of most familys woman shall rise above men soon enough and I'm cool with that  :)

  • GevaudenGevauden Member Posts: 21

    Originally posted by lifesbrink

    I found the author the perfect example of the type of girls I would rather not see populating game worlds.  They are the female equivalent of the your lamers/spammers/leets.  Annoying players with average IQ that simply get in the way, whatever their style of doing so.  Gr.

     

    Also, her lame analogy of breasts to package size makes her seem shallow and insecure.  Honestly, I fail to see how attacking a side that promotes some stupid behavior makes sense when a person will do the exact same thing, in this case promoting the size of an avatar's manhood.

     

    And for anyone out there who really thinks size matters, I am average, yet the girl I am with definitely does not have an average experience in bed.

    Said the Emo...yeah thanks for the LOL, dude with an atitude so out of whack like that I doubt you'll ever get laid.

     

    THe OP is right Lifesbrink is out of his mind, OP rock on he's just another D bad trying to push you down he has no class and disrespects woman like he has no mother.

  • madonvibesmadonvibes Member Posts: 30

    I can't form a comment without being completely rude lol

    This was the least informative article on any game I have ever read.

     

    OMG pink, ponies and pretty shiny things! DIAF.

  • sadeyxsadeyx Member UncommonPosts: 1,555

    To be fair, the game play is very addictive too.

     

    The reason why I got bored of FPS games was that I had nothing to show for it..  countless times I've won matches, been at the top of my game.. had excitment and fun...   But once you stop, its gone forever.  The 5 years I spent playing such games.. I have nothing to show for it.

     

    MMO's however are different in that you build a character that is personal and unique to you.  And if you stop playing.. you come back and.. well.. everything is still there, your acheivments, your level.. your unique look.

     

    APB, to me is kinda like a counter-strike MMO.  it has all the strategical and skill related aspects that I loved about FPS games.. combined with the permenant persistant  nature of MMO's

  • randomtrandomt Member UncommonPosts: 1,220

    I'm glad you liked the customization features.. Now how about some perspective on the actual game play?

     

  • VirusDancerVirusDancer Member UncommonPosts: 3,649

    IMVU is that way --->

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  • ZakaneZakane Member UncommonPosts: 71

    I think most people here and the Article author are forgetting one simple things,

    Everyone has their own taste. Either guys or girls.

    Size matters for one

    Size doesn't matter to another

    Height matters for one

    Height doesn't matter for another.

    So you get what I am saying. It just not right to put people into sterotypes espcially these days.

     

    Also to take a look at the "boob" debate.

    Now I am going to agrue that it is the same for guys, I mean look at the guys in most video games

    They are all super pecked, six packed guys not all guys look like this just like not all girls look like super models.

    Package vs Boobs is really not the same thing since they repesent different body parts anyways.

    Other then that WHO doesn't like more customization, regardless I think "everyone" loves more options.

    I am a guy and I love to customize to my heart content

  • onelesslightonelesslight Member UncommonPosts: 163

    Wow, thanks for not only stereotyping men (male gamers, perhaps, but implied to be men in general) as sex-hungry beasts, but stereotyping women as airheaded lovers of dress-up dolls as well.

    Thank evolution I'm in a relationship with a woman who loves blood, murder, and violence, and cares not a whit for makeup and sparklies.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,955

    Originally posted by Vindicta

    Wow, thanks for not only stereotyping men (male gamers, perhaps, but implied to be men in general) as sex-hungry beasts, but stereotyping women as airheaded lovers of dress-up dolls as well.

    Thank evolution I'm in a relationship with a woman who loves blood, murder, and violence, and cares not a whit for makeup and sparklies.

    Well, it was one girl's opinion.

    My girl friend is not girly at all (hates blood, murder and violence but also doesn't like makeup and sparklies).

    But I know many women who DO love makeup and sparklies. Heck, my last girlfriend was all about the glitter. she was also vice president of a local MENSA chapter and is no dummy.

    To me the wonderful thing about women's liberation is that women can choose to be what they want. I even know  woman who said to me that she just wanted to be a 50's housewife. Not because society pressures her into this but because she really responds to those values. That over my friend's wife who uses a chainsaw with the best of them and raises Bees. She also makes her own wool and loves girly movies.

    So one woman's opinion is probably more like "one woman's opinion" and all the women who can see themselves in her.

    I don't believe in being politically correct and making it so that all differences are white washed. Let the differences sing out. Regardless of whether we agree with them or not.

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  • TavvraTavvra 2029 CorrespondentMember Posts: 112

    Personally I like my girls in sweatpants and sportsbras with a cigarette and budweiser screaming at some half and half kids.

    "Yea, I've been drinking again.."

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  • onelesslightonelesslight Member UncommonPosts: 163

    Originally posted by Sovrath



    Originally posted by Vindicta

    Wow, thanks for not only stereotyping men (male gamers, perhaps, but implied to be men in general) as sex-hungry beasts, but stereotyping women as airheaded lovers of dress-up dolls as well.

    Thank evolution I'm in a relationship with a woman who loves blood, murder, and violence, and cares not a whit for makeup and sparklies.

    Well, it was one girl's opinion.

    My girl friend is not girly at all (hates blood, murder and violence but also doesn't like makeup and sparklies).

    But I know many women who DO love makeup and sparklies. Heck, my last girlfriend was all about the glitter. she was also vice president of a local MENSA chapter and is no dummy.

    To me the wonderful thing about women's liberation is that women can choose to be what they want. I even know  woman who said to me that she just wanted to be a 50's housewife. Not because society pressures her into this but because she really responds to those values. That over my friend's wife who uses a chainsaw with the best of them and raises Bees. She also makes her own wool and loves girly movies.

    So one woman's opinion is probably more like "one woman's opinion" and all the women who can see themselves in her.

    I don't believe in being politically correct and making it so that all differences are white washed. Let the differences sing out. Regardless of whether we agree with them or not.


     

    Granted. You do tend to be tolerant.

    I suppose it rubs me the wrong way because I feel that men are not given the same opportunity to be who they want without being ridiculed.

    Perhaps if more people had your perspective, Sovrath, I would not have this concern.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,955

    Originally posted by Vindicta

    Originally posted by Sovrath



    Originally posted by Vindicta

    Wow, thanks for not only stereotyping men (male gamers, perhaps, but implied to be men in general) as sex-hungry beasts, but stereotyping women as airheaded lovers of dress-up dolls as well.

    Thank evolution I'm in a relationship with a woman who loves blood, murder, and violence, and cares not a whit for makeup and sparklies.

    Well, it was one girl's opinion.

    My girl friend is not girly at all (hates blood, murder and violence but also doesn't like makeup and sparklies).

    But I know many women who DO love makeup and sparklies. Heck, my last girlfriend was all about the glitter. she was also vice president of a local MENSA chapter and is no dummy.

    To me the wonderful thing about women's liberation is that women can choose to be what they want. I even know  woman who said to me that she just wanted to be a 50's housewife. Not because society pressures her into this but because she really responds to those values. That over my friend's wife who uses a chainsaw with the best of them and raises Bees. She also makes her own wool and loves girly movies.

    So one woman's opinion is probably more like "one woman's opinion" and all the women who can see themselves in her.

    I don't believe in being politically correct and making it so that all differences are white washed. Let the differences sing out. Regardless of whether we agree with them or not.


     

    Granted. You do tend to be tolerant.

    I suppose it rubs me the wrong way because I feel that men are not given the same opportunity to be who they want without being ridiculed.

    Perhaps if more people had your perspective, Sovrath, I would not have this concern.

    I dont' think you are wrong at all. As a matter of fact you are chillingly correct.

    "men are not given the same opportunity to be who they want without being ridiculed".

    There are places where men can be more of what they want but move out of that fishbowl and feel how different the rest of the world can be.

    I live in Boston. We have gay marriage, thriving arts community with men attending ballet, modern dance, theater, art exhibits and Boston Red Sox and Celtics to balance it nicely.

    Two men walking arm in arm or straight men wearing pink shirts aren't going to get you much of a second look. Not to say this place is the shangri-La of tolerance but men who want to be different have an easier time here. Oh, I'm sure other places as well. But I bet there are parts of this country where you'd get your butt kicked if you didn't advertise that you were a card carrying real man.

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  • kirawatskirawats Member Posts: 57


    Originally posted by randomt
    I'm glad you liked the customization features.. Now how about some perspective on the actual game play?
     

    For some people, customization features are their actual game play. :)

    This article actually point out the features in APB that put spotlight to the game for me to try it out. Design your own costume, car, and music track and allow player to sell them to other player is good enough for me and other who enjoy designing and creating stuffs to stay within social area and crafting. Downloading the game now to try it out. Cheers.

  • Honeymoon69Honeymoon69 Member Posts: 647

    customization is pointless for this game since 99.999% of ppl wont ever see u in game anyway.

     

  • MyskMysk Member Posts: 982

    I rather liked the article.  It's good to see the game (and games in general) from a different perspective.  The package thing was a great comparison. I don't know why I hadn't thought of it before, and I agree!  Make it adjustable.  Why not?  I wonder if that's possible with the Ken doll structure that's used for MMOG models...

    Personally I enjoy both the face shooting and the customization; sometimes the customization more, sometimes the face shooting.  The more, the merrier.

    The sparkly bits on jeans isn't something that I've ever understood, but if you like it, go for it.  There are so many customization options in APB that the lack of the glittery bits stands out.  They really should add them.  Besides, it could be kind of cool to have diamonds (or something similar) embedded in the door of a car. ;D

    I agree about the lashes.  They just looked weird to me.  "Clumpy" is a good description.. maybe "clumpy and not all there".  Lady Ga-Ga style lashes aren't my thing, but that would be better than the clumpy look that's available at this point.

    Anyway, good article. I liked it.  I don't entirely agree with everything (the glittery bits on the butts of jeans), but I liked it.

  • ZibooZiboo Member UncommonPosts: 158

    Interesting perspective, but it's HER perspective and does not speak for all female gamers anymore than one journalist speaks for all males.

     

    Love the customization in APB, in any game for that matter.  We all men/women want to be viewed as unique hence the grind for gear, spending $$ for gear, unique names, etc.  It's no different than RL where we all like to look like individuals.

     

    Now is that why I would play a game - NO!  Customization is fantastic, but if the game's broke its broke.

     

    The reference to boob sizing should be equal to package sizing - technically its true.  Reality it won't happen.  Men tend to shy away from that in a big way.  Sorry guys, the epeen talk is talk, reality the penis is not portrayed in movies in the US, but gratuitous boob shots are everywhere.  The reality the market demographics are males 17-35, so it's not surprising.  

     

    As for the makeup in APB - love it.  I want to look smokin' hot when I kill someone whether they see it or not.   The fact the OP was happy to get a pair of jeans.  Good for her!  I've listened to more ingame chat about the shoulders of uber and sword of OMG that I'm getting as soon as xyz happens, its no different.

     

    APB from what I've tried I like, but then I love PvP.  My daughter is a CoD player, can't stand FPS, give me motion sickness - not a uniquely female problem.   PvP is more challenging that straight up PvE, although that's fun too.  I've always tried to play on PvP servers in any game, as it enhances the experience IMHO.

     

    APB for me seems fun and I think I'll enjoy it for its differences, my biggest problems with it so far - I'm left handed and not a key board turner. So mapping keys and learning to drive/move in a very FPS type way has been hysterically funny to watch.  Game designers - some love for lefties one day plz!  

     

    The UI in APB seems pretty basic, but I haven't really messed with it, I tend to have a similar set up in all MMO's and like that to be customizable as well as the character.

     

    The socialization with movies, etc., I'll have to see that to judge but it wouldn't be a draw for me.  I'm there for the PvP.  

     

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  • MyskMysk Member Posts: 982

    Originally posted by Ziboo

    APB for me seems fun and I think I'll enjoy it for its differences, my biggest problems with it so far - I'm left handed and not a key board turner. So mapping keys and learning to drive/move in a very FPS type way has been hysterically funny to watch.  Game designers - some love for lefties one day plz!  

    Not discounting the rest of your post, but I wanted to comment on this specifically.  You can use a controller instead of the mouse + keyboard.  I don't know if that will fix the issue for you of course.  If you have a 360 (or other) controller for the PC then give that a whirl.

    The 360 controller is said to have better vehicle control.  I toyed with it a bit but I didn't like adapting to it after I had already grown used to the mouse & keyboard.

  • ZibooZiboo Member UncommonPosts: 158

    I didn't know that!  TY.  Definitely move better with Xbox/PS controller.  Daughter has the Belkin Nostromo, which I love but again designed for righties!

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  • sywimmosywimmo Member Posts: 4

     

    Hah. I'm also a girl gamer, and I do enjoy customization options, but I always play male toons. Partly for the same reason guys play females -- I'm straight, and if I have to look at an ass the whole time I'm playing, I much prefer it to belong to the opposite sex. I also confess that I customize the face and body to get my guy as good-looking as possible. (I have a slight crush on my DAoC Champion; those boyish good looks,  the grass-green eyes, identifying Celtic tatooing (but discreet, not disfiguring), and the "mood" slider set above "anger management problems," below "I think soldiering is a joke"  and right about at  "I take my job of defending my realm seriously, as a man and a soldier should." And he can fight pretty well now too, now that I'm not a complete newb. Sigh.) Dragon armor just looks cool, too.  One thing I'm indifferent to is the size of an avatar's package; differ on that point from the article author. A) it doesn't show under body armor, and B) I've never been a size queen and/or a crotch-watcher. (I don't even quite get that. I think women who see men primarily as a meat-based sex toy are missing out on most of the unique charm of males. (I did mention I'm a straight female.) They have enviable senses of self-esteem, they're often hilarious, they can throw me around like I was a doll, they never try to get me to see chick flicks, they don't usually find my interest in shooters and military history bizarre, they will take me shooting and won't (try to) take me shopping, and when they talk, they don't talk about celebrities (one of the few subjects I find completely without interest; who cares about people who are only notable for temporarily winning some kind of weird popularity contest among Americans whose  lives are lacking and need feeling in with someone else's?)  Except sports celebrities, but only with people who want to, not me. And they'll try to defend me against random attack, verbal or physical; sexual harassment of the hey-baby kind; etc.  A lot to like there without being Jeff Stryker's groin twin too. The organ is probably fine if it exists, works, reaches, is perceptible, and prefers me to porn and other acquaintances (when it has a choice).  

    Oh. Eyeshadow choice is something it's never occurred to me to value in a game. Gameplay, good community, gameplay, gameplay. Developers would have to have *perfected* the former before spending any time whatsoever on in-game eyeshadow, imho. I can play with eyeshadow IRL; I can only shoot people and pilot mechs and operate siege equipment and travel in space and time and to imaginary worlds in games, so games should keep offering the latter stuff, where they are nevessary, and go light on the eyeshadow play, where they are not.

    I guess girl gamers differ. Makes sense; girls do.

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  • DubhlaithDubhlaith Member Posts: 1,012

    Somehow I feel that you just make us girls look silly.

    Package size? Are you serious? I like a large package as much as the next girl, but that is not something I, or any of my girlfriends, look at. You are ridiculous.

    Also, your entire intro seems to serve only to perpetuate the problems with the industry, by saying your views are unconventional, even though we make up a large percentage. If we make up a large percentage, the views are not unconventional, are they?

    That said, I think the desires of most men and women for games are roughly similar. there are different kinds of guys and different kinds of girls, so all things vary, but I like cup size customisation myself. I don't want to look ridiculously out of proportion, as many avatars do if you cannot change that. I like to be able to make my character look just the way I want it to, in any and every aspect (that matters or is readily visible).

    I also like to shoot people in the face. I think you will find people, both men and women, that both like and dislike PvP. You will find men and women who both like and dislike crafting, and so on for everything.

    You are part of the greater cultural problem that continually tries to wedge a larger gap between the views of men and women than actually exists. We are not that different, as genders. People are different from each other, regardless of gender. And people are the same, regardless of gender.

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  • muchavezmuchavez Member UncommonPosts: 199

    What a terrible article.  She spends more time announcing that she has a vagina than actually reviewing the game.  If you have low self esteem go hit the gym and maybe more boys will talk to you.  If you have to come on to a MMORPG website to get attention you must be insecure as hell.

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