If you are looking for a F2P game to grief in give the PVP servers in Runes of magic a try. While gankers turn red its not really a penalty and there are entire guilds of red players who actively dominate the PVP servers.
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I think we can define griefing as an unprovoked activity perpetrated by a player that is harmful to another player for the sole purpose of harming or expressing dominance over that player.
And when you put it in these terms, it becomes clear that griefing is simply the cyber equivalent of bullying.
For all of those people who argue that griefing is acceptable because the rules of the game do not explicitly restrict griefing behaviors, I have to disagree. Just because you can do something, does not mean it's okay. The laws of any system (virtual or real) are never perfect, and a person should always use their own moral judgment to make decisions when the laws do not make said decisions for them.
For example, if the executives of a corporation in the real world exercise shady tax practices and impoverish its shareholders while making off with billions themselves they are still assholes. Just because the system allowed it, does not mean it's okay. By the same token, if there is a kid in dodgeball that tries to hit every other kid in the crotch, he's still a douchebag even though he did not technically break a rule.
You griefers are the same way, you are a bunch of tax-manipulating, crotch shotting, douche bags trying to use the rules of the game to justify your antisocial behavior.
I don't want to sound like a dick.. but carebears need to grow a pair, if you get this wound up over griefing in a mmorpg ur gonna have a rude awakening in life. There are much more ruthless people out there than griefers having a little bit of fun in a mmorpg. This is what PvE servers are for. I mean yea getting griefed sucks but that's life, you win some you lose some. If you can't handle FFA PvP, go play on a PvE server, just don't whine about it. I'm so sick of all of the carebears on these forums bitching about PvP just cause they are scared of player vs player competition and would rather group up with other people instead.. that's cool too, whatever floats your boat. Just cause a guy wants to play a FFA PvP game and grief doesn't mean there is something wrong with him.. griefing is what happens in FFA PvP games.. get over it.. this is why final fantasy mmorpgs are created.. for PvE carebears, go play them and leave the PvPers alone. God damn carebears.
this is why final fantasy mmorpgs are created.. for PvE carebears,
Because you think that ff games are for those who are scared of pvp? What logic is that?
Anyway in a pvp server griefing should be considered normal. I've been killed and grifed a lot of times but I always accepted it as something normal. Sure at the beginning I would always get pissed off but then I got used to it. For example when I see an Orc or undead passing by I don't expect them to /wave me. That would totally ruin the immersion. It would be normal for them to come and piss me off or otherwise. After all the 2 factions are in war with each other and in war you should expect everything.
Any game with absolutely no pvp content and good RP and raiding. These games tend to have the most succeptible targets.
If you're good, you can get in a guild, get into a position of power and then destroy the guild and possibly steal all their money. you'll be able to simultaneously grief like 50 or more people!
Next level up, if you're even better, you can spend a year or two building a relationship, take away someone's spouse and actually break up a real family. Then when it's done, you can dump them and say that you just did it for kicks.
Finally, if you're lucky, you can get someone to commit suicide due to your actions. Major betrayal or account hacking may be required - but hey, whatever it takes! I think WoW is best for this as the majority of suicide stories I've read are from WoW.
Good luck, I hope you find the game you're looking for. And also get hit by a train at some point.
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Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall Currently Playing: ESO
Any game with absolutely no pvp content and good RP and raiding. These games tend to have the most succeptible targets.
If you're good, you can get in a guild, get into a position of power and then destroy the guild and possibly steal all their money. you'll be able to simultaneously grief like 50 or more people!
Next level up, if you're even better, you can spend a year or two building a relationship, take away someone's spouse and actually break up a real family. Then when it's done, you can dump them and say that you just did it for kicks.
Finally, if you're lucky, you can get someone to commit suicide due to your actions. Major betrayal or account hacking may be required - but hey, whatever it takes! I think WoW is best for this as the majority of suicide stories I've read are from WoW.
Good luck, I hope you find the game you're looking for. And also get hit by a train at some point.
Wow, I really started a fire storm. Hope this thread was fun more than anything, and thanks for the tips. But, c'mon, you gotta admit it's fun to pull about 25-30 mobs with your pally then train them on someone else and then bubble hearth. ; )
I don't want to sound like a dick.. but carebears need to grow a pair, if you get this wound up over griefing in a mmorpg ur gonna have a rude awakening in life. There are much more ruthless people out there than griefers having a little bit of fun in a mmorpg. This is what PvE servers are for. I mean yea getting griefed sucks but that's life, you win some you lose some. If you can't handle FFA PvP, go play on a PvE server, just don't whine about it. I'm so sick of all of the carebears on these forums bitching about PvP just cause they are scared of player vs player competition and would rather group up with other people instead.. that's cool too, whatever floats your boat. Just cause a guy wants to play a FFA PvP game and grief doesn't mean there is something wrong with him.. griefing is what happens in FFA PvP games.. get over it.. this is why final fantasy mmorpgs are created.. for PvE carebears, go play them and leave the PvPers alone. God damn carebears.
Startling revalation, but some people play games, which MMOs fall under, to have fun and escape from the crap they have to put up with in real life. The last thing many of said players want to do, is have to deal with some virtual power tripping basement dweller dictate whether or not they can enjoy their free time.
And actually... PvE players rarely complain about PvP these days, because there are an abundance of games that PvP is optional or non-existant. It's actually the PvPers that tend to be complaining these days over the lack of PvP MMO options, and in some cases complaining about the lack of easy targets.
"It happens in real life" is a poor excuse to be a dick in an online game. Acting the same way in real life to everyone you come across is likely to get you beaten up, or even killed if you do it to the wrong people. Most MMO griefers tend to be wusses in reality anyways when they don't have anonymity to hide behind.
The world needs less Internet tough guys that are trying to compensate for their lack of manhood in reality.
But hey, to each his own, so long as they stick to their own games where they can slap fight eachother and leave the regular gamers alone.
Sandbox PvP, the murder system is amazing, Factions, Stealing (from other people), looting other people's corpses (even if you didn't kill them), joining guilds and guild killing, kill stealing, guard whacking, being about to invade other people's champions spawns rather than being like WoW and having all major PvE in instances (no fun), etc.
Sandbox PvP, the murder system is amazing, Factions, Stealing (from other people), looting other people's corpses (even if you didn't kill them), joining guilds and guild killing, kill stealing, guard whacking, being about to invade other people's champions spawns rather than being like WoW and having all major PvE in instances (no fun), etc.
This, I agree with.
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every game where other players can steal/destroy everything a player/guild has worked for; most people will say. In every game it is possible to grief other people.
On the other hand not everyone will blow up on the same type of griefing. If you play a themepark game and a player keeps tagging that one boss you need to complete a quest. Or when you're participating in a rp-event and a player keeps spamming the chat with ooc-comments.
AHh yes... the classic carebear come back.. t he pvp griefers are the no life losers who live in their grandmas basement going on a powertrip to compensate for their lack of manhood.. in reality it is more like.. the whiney carebears who do nothing but bitch and moan cause they get griefed in a computer game, why bitch and moan? cause they escape to these computer games to get away from real life, where they also probably get bullied and griefed for their omega male status.. the bitchers and moaners of griefers are most likely the weak easy targets.. in game and out of game, QQ more. Just my opinion, FYI I don't grief in mmorpgs.. but I also don't cry about it either.. when I get griefed, I find and party up with the other ppl who are getting griefed by this guy and fight back.. not QQ.
AHh yes... the classic carebear come back.. t he pvp griefers are the no life losers who live in their grandmas basement going on a powertrip to compensate for their lack of manhood.. in reality it is more like.. the whiney carebears who do nothing but bitch and moan cause they get griefed in a computer game, why bitch and moan? cause they escape to these computer games to get away from real life, where they also probably get bullied and griefed for their omega male status.. the bitchers and moaners of griefers are most likely the weak easy targets.. in game and out of game, QQ more. Just my opinion, FYI I don't grief in mmorpgs.. but I also don't cry about it either.. when I get griefed, I find and party up with the other ppl who are getting griefed by this guy and fight back.. not QQ.
Read some of the studies on cyber bullying, as griefing falls under it.
It's considered anti-social and deviant behavior.
I deal with griefers when they pop up, but all the same, I'd prefer not to have to waste my time on punks like that.
It's not much different than going to a bar or club and prefering that the bouncers take care of and prevent trouble makers from crashing the place. Or say, for the police to deal with someone who's otherwise acting like an asshat in public.
I deal with griefers when they pop up, but all the same, I'd prefer not to have to waste my time on punks like that.
It's not much different than going to a bar or club and prefering that the bouncers take care of and prevent trouble makers from crashing the place. Or say, for the police to deal with someone who's otherwise acting like an asshat in public.
Those are some very good analogies.
Of course there are asshats and idiots in the world, I'd prefer for people such as psychiatrists and police officers etc. to deal with them on a daily basis so I don't have to.
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If you are looking for a F2P game to grief in give the PVP servers in Runes of magic a try. While gankers turn red its not really a penalty and there are entire guilds of red players who actively dominate the PVP servers.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I think we can define griefing as an unprovoked activity perpetrated by a player that is harmful to another player for the sole purpose of harming or expressing dominance over that player.
And when you put it in these terms, it becomes clear that griefing is simply the cyber equivalent of bullying.
For all of those people who argue that griefing is acceptable because the rules of the game do not explicitly restrict griefing behaviors, I have to disagree. Just because you can do something, does not mean it's okay. The laws of any system (virtual or real) are never perfect, and a person should always use their own moral judgment to make decisions when the laws do not make said decisions for them.
For example, if the executives of a corporation in the real world exercise shady tax practices and impoverish its shareholders while making off with billions themselves they are still assholes. Just because the system allowed it, does not mean it's okay. By the same token, if there is a kid in dodgeball that tries to hit every other kid in the crotch, he's still a douchebag even though he did not technically break a rule.
You griefers are the same way, you are a bunch of tax-manipulating, crotch shotting, douche bags trying to use the rules of the game to justify your antisocial behavior.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
Asheron's Call Darktide server. You can grief people all day long. Full PvP with looting.
I don't want to sound like a dick.. but carebears need to grow a pair, if you get this wound up over griefing in a mmorpg ur gonna have a rude awakening in life. There are much more ruthless people out there than griefers having a little bit of fun in a mmorpg. This is what PvE servers are for. I mean yea getting griefed sucks but that's life, you win some you lose some. If you can't handle FFA PvP, go play on a PvE server, just don't whine about it. I'm so sick of all of the carebears on these forums bitching about PvP just cause they are scared of player vs player competition and would rather group up with other people instead.. that's cool too, whatever floats your boat. Just cause a guy wants to play a FFA PvP game and grief doesn't mean there is something wrong with him.. griefing is what happens in FFA PvP games.. get over it.. this is why final fantasy mmorpgs are created.. for PvE carebears, go play them and leave the PvPers alone. God damn carebears.
Because you think that ff games are for those who are scared of pvp? What logic is that?
Anyway in a pvp server griefing should be considered normal. I've been killed and grifed a lot of times but I always accepted it as something normal. Sure at the beginning I would always get pissed off but then I got used to it. For example when I see an Orc or undead passing by I don't expect them to /wave me. That would totally ruin the immersion. It would be normal for them to come and piss me off or otherwise. After all the 2 factions are in war with each other and in war you should expect everything.
Any game with absolutely no pvp content and good RP and raiding. These games tend to have the most succeptible targets.
If you're good, you can get in a guild, get into a position of power and then destroy the guild and possibly steal all their money. you'll be able to simultaneously grief like 50 or more people!
Next level up, if you're even better, you can spend a year or two building a relationship, take away someone's spouse and actually break up a real family. Then when it's done, you can dump them and say that you just did it for kicks.
Finally, if you're lucky, you can get someone to commit suicide due to your actions. Major betrayal or account hacking may be required - but hey, whatever it takes! I think WoW is best for this as the majority of suicide stories I've read are from WoW.
Good luck, I hope you find the game you're looking for. And also get hit by a train at some point.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
ROFL classic
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Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
Wow, I really started a fire storm. Hope this thread was fun more than anything, and thanks for the tips. But, c'mon, you gotta admit it's fun to pull about 25-30 mobs with your pally then train them on someone else and then bubble hearth. ; )
Startling revalation, but some people play games, which MMOs fall under, to have fun and escape from the crap they have to put up with in real life. The last thing many of said players want to do, is have to deal with some virtual power tripping basement dweller dictate whether or not they can enjoy their free time.
And actually... PvE players rarely complain about PvP these days, because there are an abundance of games that PvP is optional or non-existant. It's actually the PvPers that tend to be complaining these days over the lack of PvP MMO options, and in some cases complaining about the lack of easy targets.
"It happens in real life" is a poor excuse to be a dick in an online game. Acting the same way in real life to everyone you come across is likely to get you beaten up, or even killed if you do it to the wrong people. Most MMO griefers tend to be wusses in reality anyways when they don't have anonymity to hide behind.
The world needs less Internet tough guys that are trying to compensate for their lack of manhood in reality.
But hey, to each his own, so long as they stick to their own games where they can slap fight eachother and leave the regular gamers alone.
You can't really grief on WoW
It's made for carebears.
Ultima Online, hands down.
Sandbox PvP, the murder system is amazing, Factions, Stealing (from other people), looting other people's corpses (even if you didn't kill them), joining guilds and guild killing, kill stealing, guard whacking, being about to invade other people's champions spawns rather than being like WoW and having all major PvE in instances (no fun), etc.
This, I agree with.
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DF is full of griefers compensating for real life short comings.
You'd love it there.
every game where other players can steal/destroy everything a player/guild has worked for; most people will say. In every game it is possible to grief other people.
On the other hand not everyone will blow up on the same type of griefing. If you play a themepark game and a player keeps tagging that one boss you need to complete a quest. Or when you're participating in a rp-event and a player keeps spamming the chat with ooc-comments.
AHh yes... the classic carebear come back.. t he pvp griefers are the no life losers who live in their grandmas basement going on a powertrip to compensate for their lack of manhood.. in reality it is more like.. the whiney carebears who do nothing but bitch and moan cause they get griefed in a computer game, why bitch and moan? cause they escape to these computer games to get away from real life, where they also probably get bullied and griefed for their omega male status.. the bitchers and moaners of griefers are most likely the weak easy targets.. in game and out of game, QQ more. Just my opinion, FYI I don't grief in mmorpgs.. but I also don't cry about it either.. when I get griefed, I find and party up with the other ppl who are getting griefed by this guy and fight back.. not QQ.
Read some of the studies on cyber bullying, as griefing falls under it.
It's considered anti-social and deviant behavior.
I deal with griefers when they pop up, but all the same, I'd prefer not to have to waste my time on punks like that.
It's not much different than going to a bar or club and prefering that the bouncers take care of and prevent trouble makers from crashing the place. Or say, for the police to deal with someone who's otherwise acting like an asshat in public.
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Those are some very good analogies.
Of course there are asshats and idiots in the world, I'd prefer for people such as psychiatrists and police officers etc. to deal with them on a daily basis so I don't have to.