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New PC Build specifically for FFXIV

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  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Not bad, its a good one too...

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    So I've got a good question for anyone that may know.  I'm thinking about getting a new HDD here in the next few days, a 7200rpm and at least 700gb ~ 1TB.  I'm running two 5400rpm HDDs atm, that are 280gb & 350gb which are plenty of space, so the 1TB isn't really needed but I want the faster rpm which will help my new system.

     

    Anyway, does anyone know anything about quality and reliabilty of the Hitachi brand?  I've had many Seagate, Maxtor, Western Digital, and Samsung drives all fail on me in as little as a few days to several years, but I've never tried Hitachi yet, so are they any good?  I'm looking at this one atm, cause its a very good deal:

     


    HITACHI Deskstar 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Am all really giddy now...


    I've almost completed my new build....got a ton more painting finished in last few days and earned enough to order my other 4gb of RAM, and a new 1TB 7200rpm Hitachi HDD:



    A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)



    HITACHI Deskstar HD31000 IDK/7K (0S00163) 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"

     

    Now all I have to do for the rest of the year is save up for the GTX 480, or I might even just get the 470 as its $200 cheaper atm and still has a ton of power packed within.  I really just want the DX11 and Tesselation features for the next generation of games that should be landing in full force in a few months!

  • AlbytapsAlbytaps Member Posts: 208

    I have a 32" LCD 1080p HDTV as my monitor and it's sad when I go back to something smaller.  Well worth hooking your pc up to an HDTV if you can.

     

    As far as a new pc goes, I'll have one built for FFXIV when it's nearing launch.

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Originally posted by Albytaps

     

    As far as a new pc goes, I'll have one built for FFXIV when it's nearing launch.

     

    Yeah I was thinking that too, but surfing Newegg a few months early and seeing everything I wanted with free shipping, instant off and mail in rebates was far too tempting.  And I like I said in the OP its an endless cycle of parts dropping low and new ones gettting cheaper so just buy stuff thats cheap and will last several years and you're good to go.

     

    PC gaming I see has become fixated on accessibility, just like MMOs have and the devs do everything they can to make them look good, but they also don't seem make the game require a high end gaming rig so more gamers can play it.  There are a few games that require a beefy rig, but not very often the last few years and nothing coming out short of Crysis two in the next 2 years appears to really push the technology available.

     

    My old rig was far powerful enough to handle FFXIV based on leaked Alpha specs, and everything released so far I've been able to play on near max settings just fine so it could have lasted easily another 2-3 years.  I tend to play MMOs far more often than anything else, and having a PC capable of keeping up with the max settings in towns and large scale events without FPS dropping or having to reduce settings is important to me, so upgrading for FFXIV was a very high-priority.

  • AlbytapsAlbytaps Member Posts: 208

    If I was invited to the alpha/beta it might have caused me to upgrade, but since I'm not gonna hold my breath I'm just planning it that way.

     

    However, don't you think you may have found those parts/upgrades cheaper a few months down the road?  That's what I'm thinking.  The only thing I might splurge on when it's brand new is the graphics card.  I'll be ready to pay up to $500-$600 for that.

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856

    dont know what the aim is but the issue game face is rarelly computer its always the network ,the server not being optimised

    other player playing on a 500 kb upload speed .etc

    did you try to get faster speed like a new network card or faster upload internet provider

    the biggest bottleneck is upload speed be it for server or private computer and it is very often overlooked!

    might have less issue in the futur if game dev decide to adopt donnybrook or similar techno but for now

    only lowering quality will do it

    and the fact mmo dont abuse of remote differential compression doesnt help either!

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Originally posted by Albytaps

    However, don't you think you may have found those parts/upgrades cheaper a few months down the road?  That's what I'm thinking.  The only thing I might splurge on when it's brand new is the graphics card.  I'll be ready to pay up to $500-$600 for that.

     

    Could have, but its a never ending cycle with PC parts...I could wait and get these parts a little cheaper possibly, but by then more higher end parts may come down too, to what these are at now and you'd end up wanting those and essentially pay the same now or then and or even later still.  Its best to just upgrade with something really cheap and far more powerful than waht you already have and 2-3 yrs later repeat.

     

    If you buy the most expensive stuff early on you'll just end up wasting money, as those parts usually drop in price fast as newer parts keep getting released within a few months time, makign everything before obsolete...well still good just not the best anymore.  I find that buying parts about 6-8 months prior than the best thats out now is the better way to go, like for instance everything I bought recently has made my PC like 6 times faster and more powerful than it was, and I've spent less than $800.  Thats quite good enough for me.  Heck the best parts right now would be well over $2000-$3000.

     

     

    As far as video cards go, wait for the new ones to drop a few hundred $$$ or you'll just be wasting it.  I made that mistake when the 8800GTX were released a few years ago, paid $687 for it, and just 3 months later it dropped to under $400, and now its not worth but $40-$60...

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332

    Quad core is a waste of money for gaming,i am not even sold that Square is designing the game to utilize duo core even.IMO your duo core is plenty good and i wouldn't upgrade it.

    I WOULD upgrade your RAM,IF your mobo can handle better ram.I think i see you mention somethign about new ddr3 ram already so you set.

    Yes the nvid card will be nice,make sure your mobo has the pci express 2 or whatever the best version is at now.If you are set on spending money ,then i would just O/C your duo core and get a good cooling system.You will have improved performance and even if the chip overheated and fried,you were going to buy a new one anyhow,but with a proper monitoring/cooling program,you shouldn't have a problem with overheat.CPU's are always way over priced for the top end stuff,and you won't see a big jump in performance at all,unless yto uwere upgrading from an ancient cpu,like a 3200 AMD or soemthing lower.

    I would not be in the least surprised that the very best system you can buy will still lag on max settings.I kind of think they may limit settings and maybe even tone the game down,as Square has been having a lot of problems to get good framerates with their new game engine and hi res.

    Judging by their laziness with FFXIII,i expect they will not do anything magical for the PC version,i believe we are going to see them do like they did with FFXI and make the same game for the console as the PC,the only difference will be PC users will have more bandwidth and SHOULD lag less,as i am quite sure the console versions will struggle around 30 frames per second.

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  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Originally posted by Wizardry

    Quad core is a waste of money for gaming,i am not even sold that Square is designing the game to utilize duo core even.IMO your duo core is plenty good and i wouldn't upgrade it.

     

    unless you were upgrading from an ancient cpu,like a 3200 AMD or soemthing lower.

     

     

    Uh, I do more than just gaming, so having more than 2 cores is essential while playing an MMO, and many times maybe another game while waiting on groups or a specfic time to arrive, plus I tab out to surf the web often, have music going or have photoshop running which I use very often.  Quad-cores whether the game directly uses it or not are highly useful so your PC doesn't get bottlenecked running multi-programs while your gaming, why do so few understand this.

    And besides I've already seen a huge performance boost in the games I play since I upgraded from duo to quad-core.  Like Just Cause 2 I wasn't able to run at maximum, or LOTRO in DX10 max...there was considerable slowdown and my PC could not keep up with it, but now it can, I didn't upgrade my GPU yet, so it was my CPU holding me back...

     

    it was an AMD 6000+

  • AldersAlders Member RarePosts: 2,207

    Borrowed pic from Alpha thread on BG forums. Keep in mind the setting are locked for Alpha, and the game is locked at 30fps. Hopefully it won't be locked at that fps for launch.

     

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Oh my, I originally wasn't gonna get one cause they cost $200, but I got lucky and won one off eBay for $97 the other day, and damn am I glad I got it!  I'm talking about the Antec 1200 Case...its so roomy and inviting, and from other pics and videos I didn't think I'd enjoy all the blue lights, but its so purdy in person...me loves it.

    Anyhow, after having to wait 3 more days after I got the case, due to Newegg changing shipping services to DHL, whom are extremely slow and their tracking service doesn't update very often, I finally got the 2 ~ 12"extension cables I needed.  One a 4-pin MB connector, and the other 24-pin MB power connector, both of which are greatly needed for this case should you wish to hide the cables behind the motherboard as I have done...{see images}

     

    Took me around 2-3hours to transfer cases and hook it all up with the cables hidden as much as possible to increase air flow...I mean really this case has 7 ~ 120mm fans and 1 ~ 200mm fan....insane cooling!  For instances my GTX 275 in the other case{see OP} was running at around 63-68 celcius while running FFXI, and now with this case and the fans on the low setting I'm sitting pretty at 47-51 celcius, thats an incredible drop in temperature!  Even my CPU has dropped some too, from 54-55c, down to 42-44c

    Granted I havn't yet tested this on a heavy~heavy load like Just Cause II or Singularity, but I'll get back to ya...maybe!

     

    Anyway, check out my new case and wiring, which could be better, but I didn't wanna run to the store for more ties and mounts, so I delt with what I had:

    Full size here...  {yes I know, I see the dust, and am planning to clean it up soon...hehe}

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    Now I'm still hopefully planning to get a GTX 480 before FFXIV, but its gonna depend on if the price drops any in the next 3 months, I can get it for about $509 after a $30 rebate currently, but damn thats so dern pricey....ah well...we shall see!

  • ChexxChexx Member Posts: 41

    Haha  I got the same case the antec twelve hundred case iz a beast. Wires are tucked away neatly for maximum airflow. BTW a HDD is also very important so dont go cheap and try to get the fastest one. (SSD not worth it yet too expensive)

     

    Phenom II X4 965 BE

    Crosshair III Formula

    5870 EYEFINITY

    DD3 Ram (Heatsink)

    HDD VelociRaptor 10k RPM (Sata 3gb) Mobo cant support more should have waited for the new crosshair IV

    Cooler Master Silent Pro 1k Watts

    Weird i cant find my heatsink but its got a golden wings and a crown on top of it (pretty badass)

  • IllyssiaIllyssia Member UncommonPosts: 1,507
    I'd have thought getting that extra 4GB RAM a wise move if you are going for highest settings for gameplay.
  • ArmaniDemonArmaniDemon Member Posts: 133

    The game inspired me to upgrade a little as well. New Antec 750 watt PS, Noctua Heatsink (gonna OC the 9550 to 3.2ghz) and a 5850... should be good to carry me another 1-2 years easy.

  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,092

    Originally posted by Khrymson

    So for the last few weeks I've been working my butt off doing odd jobs for family to raise some extra cash to upgrade my now going on 3yr old PC, and granted my current build ran almost every game on near maximum settings.  Still though my goal is to build a damn fine PC for FFXIV so I can crank the settings to maximum in towns and 15-man Guildleves with no stuttering or slowdown...

    I am so excited for FFXIV I want the best possible experience at launch and beyond.  Anyhow, my previous build was an AMD Athalon X2{dual-core} AM2 3.0GHz, 4gb of PC800 DDR2 RAM, with a stock heatsink and fairly crappy APower 850w PS which totally died on me 2 days ago.  Here are the new parts I recently bought this past week, which I am now running.  I am verily exciting and greatly enjoying the upgrade! 

    Yes I know I could have waited and gotten a few higher-end parts even cheaper by the end of the year, but really though; parts are always dropping and better ones coming out so you just have to pick a period of time, buy stuff for a good value that will last several years and repeat... 

     

    AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor

    ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard

    Antec TruePower New TP-750 Blue 750W Continuous Power ~ dern PS died the other day, had to buy a new one. This one however just screams high performance though so I'm happy!

    A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) ~ Was only able to afford 4gb for now cause my PS went out, but I'll be getting another 4gb in the next few weeks!

    Thermaltake CLP0554 SpinQ VT Universal CPU Cooling Fan ~ This is that huge Mofo in the images below!



    Now all I need is the new nVidia EVGA GTX 480 later this year once the price drops a few hundred $$$  I'm currently running the nVidia GTX 275 896mb.

     

    And here are a few images of said build, man I so love the heatsink...one massive turbine of cold air shooting out 360 degree helping cool other parts too.   My CPU now idles around 36-38c and peaks under a full load at 49-51c, hasn't gone any higher yet...fricken sweet, and I'm only running the fan at 1000rpm, can still bump it up to 1600rpm should it be required...

    So is anyone else out there building or upgrading their PC for FFXIV!?  Please share your builds here...should be an interesting discussion.

    OMG ROFL LOL

    You're really gonna build a $1.500 PC while you can easily buy a PS3 for $300 and run FFXIV perfectly..?

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Originally posted by Reizla

    Originally posted by Khrymson

    So for the last few weeks I've been working my butt off doing odd jobs for family to raise some extra cash to upgrade my now going on 3yr old PC, and granted my current build ran almost every game on near maximum settings.  Still though my goal is to build a damn fine PC for FFXIV so I can crank the settings to maximum in towns and 15-man Guildleves with no stuttering or slowdown...

    I am so excited for FFXIV I want the best possible experience at launch and beyond.  Anyhow, my previous build was an AMD Athalon X2{dual-core} AM2 3.0GHz, 4gb of PC800 DDR2 RAM, with a stock heatsink and fairly crappy APower 850w PS which totally died on me 2 days ago.  Here are the new parts I recently bought this past week, which I am now running.  I am verily exciting and greatly enjoying the upgrade! 

    Yes I know I could have waited and gotten a few higher-end parts even cheaper by the end of the year, but really though; parts are always dropping and better ones coming out so you just have to pick a period of time, buy stuff for a good value that will last several years and repeat... 

     

    AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor

    ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard

    Antec TruePower New TP-750 Blue 750W Continuous Power ~ dern PS died the other day, had to buy a new one. This one however just screams high performance though so I'm happy!

    A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) ~ Was only able to afford 4gb for now cause my PS went out, but I'll be getting another 4gb in the next few weeks!

    Thermaltake CLP0554 SpinQ VT Universal CPU Cooling Fan ~ This is that huge Mofo in the images below!



    Now all I need is the new nVidia EVGA GTX 480 later this year once the price drops a few hundred $$$  I'm currently running the nVidia GTX 275 896mb.

     

    And here are a few images of said build, man I so love the heatsink...one massive turbine of cold air shooting out 360 degree helping cool other parts too.   My CPU now idles around 36-38c and peaks under a full load at 49-51c, hasn't gone any higher yet...fricken sweet, and I'm only running the fan at 1000rpm, can still bump it up to 1600rpm should it be required...

    So is anyone else out there building or upgrading their PC for FFXIV!?  Please share your builds here...should be an interesting discussion.

    OMG ROFL LOL

    You're really gonna build a $1.500 PC while you can easily buy a PS3 for $300 and run FFXIV perfectly..?

    Like OMG really I've already built a PC for over $3000, when I don't give two shits about $ony and their stupid console that does just about nothing a PC can do!  Console gaming sucks, and are for the preferred-cheaper members of our society which there is nothing wrong with that, but I have the means and knowhow to purchase and build a high-end PC and play my games in all their 100x better glory that no console will ever be able to match.

    Tanaka has already said that the PS3 version is at 1/2 the resolution of the PC, and textures are only that of 1/4, plus FFXIV isn't coming out until March 2011 at the earliest....joy, with a PC I can play it in Sept...

     

    ROFL

  • ladyattisladyattis Member Posts: 1,273

    I would wait and see on actual specs rather than basing a purchase on a synthetic benchmark, where most barely noticed a significant slow down in framerate.

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Originally posted by ladyattis

    I would wait and see on actual specs rather than basing a purchase on a synthetic benchmark, where most barely noticed a significant slow down in framerate.

    Well the name of the thread is kinda misleading so it'll fit in the FFXIV forums...I'm a PC gamer through-and-through, and this PC upgrade is also in support of the new DX11 and Tesselation features coming to games later this year and next.  Thats another great thing about PCs over Consoles...they're stuck in DX9 until their next iterations when they may get 10 or 11, and by then PCs will prolly have DX12 or DX13...rofl!

     

    I can play Crysis on maximum settings currently with no issues, so I shouldn't have any problem with FFXIV whether I get a new GTX 480 or not, but I need that card for the DX11.  Anyone know of any other good PC games to try testing my PC with?  I beat Singularity last night, that was fun and was a nice looking game!

  • ArmaniDemonArmaniDemon Member Posts: 133

    Originally posted by Khrymson

    Originally posted by ladyattis

    I would wait and see on actual specs rather than basing a purchase on a synthetic benchmark, where most barely noticed a significant slow down in framerate.

    Well the name of the thread is kinda misleading so it'll fit in the FFXIV forums...I'm a PC gamer through-and-through, and this PC upgrade is also in support of the new DX11 and Tesselation features coming to games later this year and next.  Thats another great thing about PCs over Consoles...they're stuck in DX9 until their next iterations when they may get 10 or 11, and by then PCs will prolly have DX12 or DX13...rofl!

     

    I can play Crysis on maximum settings currently with no issues, so I shouldn't have any problem with FFXIV whether I get a new GTX 480 or not, but I need that card for the DX11.  Anyone know of any other good PC games to try testing my PC with?  I beat Singularity last night, that was fun and was a nice looking game!

     

    Metro 2033, definitely.

  • ogreslayerogreslayer Member UncommonPosts: 15

    Originally posted by ArmaniDemon

    The game inspired me to upgrade a little as well. New Antec 750 watt PS, Noctua Heatsink (gonna OC the 9550 to 3.2ghz) and a 5850... should be good to carry me another 1-2 years easy.

    I just got a Q9550 a couple months ago, with the Corsair H50 I'm running it at 3.78ghz. Great replacement to the E6600 I've had since they came out and cost me less money too.

  • ArmaniDemonArmaniDemon Member Posts: 133

    I hear guys overclocking it easy to 3.4 on air, but I really don't trust myself fully with tweaking voltages yet. This little upgrade of mine cost me a good 500. A fried board and ram would be overkill at this point. =/

  • RaymikaRaymika Member UncommonPosts: 18

    Nice rig, Mate.

    But you only have to spend 300 dollars for a rig that running FFXIV just fine. You only have to buy a PS3 Slim. If you lucky, there will be an FFXIV bundle when this game is releases. Dont bother to built a rig for this game. It doesn't worth it.

    You will be fine when you play it on a PS3.  With a PS3 Controller.

  • ArmaniDemonArmaniDemon Member Posts: 133

    Originally posted by Raymika

    Nice rig, Mate.

    But you only have to spend 300 dollars for a rig that running FFXIV just fine. You only have to buy a PS3 Slim. If you lucky, there will be an FFXIV bundle when this game is releases. Dont bother to built a rig for this game. It doesn't worth it.

    You will be fine when you play it on a PS3.  With a PS3 Controller.

    I think his intention was to build  a sweet gaming rig capable of handling the game without necessarily it being the sole purpose of the endeavour, mate.

  • VoltlivesVoltlives Member Posts: 280

    I understand console gamers have a hard on for their little boxes.  That is great, more power to you.  Those of us that prefer the PC prefer the PC.  You have to accept that not everyone wants a little controller in their hands while they play, there are some that have invested in this direction and prefer the fun that comes with the PC world.  You haven't come up with a brilliant solution that others haven't stated before.  Trust me, it's been stated at nauseum since the benchmark came out.

     

    END OF LINE_

    ~V

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