Oh and here is what I think one of the perfect examples of a female character that the creator took into consideration everything about armor and still looking good. She not only destroys all opponents in her path but adjusting to each situation she's in, she changes her armor. (FairyTail FTW!)
A girl that likes Fairy Tail... cool!
Originally posted by Tartleton
I just want to see the comeback of Horror games... And did I mention how much money you'd get off launch even if the game sucked?
Eh? Methinks there are a great bunch of horror games that have been released the last years: we have the Silent Hill series, Resident Evil series, Left4Dead, Dead Space, FEAR, etc etc
When it comes to MMO's, yes, there's hardly any: only significant one I can think of is the upcoming The Secret World, a horror/urban fantasy MMO that draws its inspiration from H.P. Lovecraft and Stephen King among others.
Originally posted by Nesrie
In fact, I think it would be great if we all had more choices in clothing styles in general. Some women love running around looking like a hooker with a sword, others hate it. I am not really going to judge anyone for the choice, but I'd love to be able to just pick what style I want.
I'd say that 4 out of 5 of those women running around in MMO's are men, but that's a discussion for another thread.
LotrO has a paper doll function, that makes the difference between how your character looks visually and what clothes will count for your stats. Some other games have a sortlike function. I think it's handy, yes.
Originally posted by LodenDSG
Ha thank you; I have argued this with my wife forever, she wont give Star Wars a chance becuase she loves to hate sci-fi but she likes fantasy and StarWars is a solid fantasy story with all the magic, proficy, etc. I have told her 100 times replace the ships with horses, the blasters and light sabers with swords and bows and there you go really big fantasy very tiny science fiction in StarWars at least as I think of it.
Ah, the story may be sort of the same in a slightly different wrap up, but the setting and atmosphere is different: even if the content may be exactly the same as other fantasy stories, the looks of Star Wars is scifi.
I'd go so far and say that sciencefiction has a bigger allure for men, and fantasy a bigger allure for women.
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Exactly. Sci Fi is much more Realistic. Like riding giant worms and eating Spice in Dune, or shooting lightning out of your fingertips like Star Wars.
As some have already mentioned, Star Wars is more science fantasy - replace the lightsabre with swords, the spaceships with horses, the Force with magic, and it differs nothing with the classis medieval fantasy and fairy tale stories: it already had the Princess and the knights.
Dune actually had a solid explanation on the ecology that made giant sandwurms happen, also the existing economy that arose from it was solid, so Dune is true scifi and believable in its own context.
In the end, fantasy, sciencefiction, horror and its myriad of subgenres like space opera, steampunk or sword & sorcery, they're all fantasy: all the stories and worlds are made up out of the imagination of the creators.
In the sciencefiction genre though the writer tend to adhere more to logic and realistic explanations of why things are as they are, often building further upon ideas and scientific theories that are out there or that wouldn't seem farfetched.
Fantasy by its nature generally has a looser relationship with logic and its foundations rest less on scientific value or realism.
Also, when you look at western fantasy and asian fantasy, asian fattasy makes a larger call on our suspension of disbelief and it negates more logic and realism than western fantasy, that often has more realism involved in it.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
The way most games design there armor for women makes them look like cheap whores and nothing more i as man never understood how a woman would like to play an avatar which looks like that (not judging here tho)
My wife simple refuse to play some of the games which will come out soon only because of the fact that her avatar would look like a slut...
I think mmos should give u the option how u want your armor to look at your character u wanna run around half naked it should allow it but for the players who like it more serious there should be an option to actually wear armor instead of the small pieces of cloth called armor.
Maybe I'm better suited for sci-fi, where most of the setting is based off projected and logical advancement of familiar technology and science.
Exactly. Sci Fi is much more Realistic. Like riding giant worms and eating Spice in Dune, or shooting lightning out of your fingertips like Star Wars.
Well, Star Wars is more science fantasy than sci-fi. Dune probably as well.
Sci-fi is actually more realistic in that it is based on what might be possible given the science we know. More often than not it is about how science intertwines with humanity.
Star Wars isn't science fiction because the science doesn't really matter. The stories are not "man in light of his science". The stories can be written as straight fantasy and you would only have to change a few things.
Heinlein is a sci-fi writer. george lucas? well, not so much with the exception of THX 1138.
you're getting your terms confused. THX 1138 would actually not be hard sci fi, since it's mainly concerned with society in the future.
There is hard sci fi, and soft sci fi, but both are most definitely sci fi.
Hard sci fi would be like a story about a Moon base, where everything is based on what is actually plausible in the future, taking into account what we know about construction and real world physics.
Soft Sci Fi is based in a futuristic world, but doesn't spend any time trying to explain how something could actually be built based on what we currently know about engineering and physics. It tends to concentrate on what the society is like, and the social sciences like politics, sociology, etc.
For example, Avatar with machines that can transfer your brain into an "avatar" is soft sci fi. It's just made up baloney, and not based on any hard science.
Male gamer here. I tend to prefer armor that suits the role. Tanks = plate, Rogues/Archers = leather, and mages = cloth. You can make the armor more or less sexy. I don't really care as long as it is somewhat realistic. I also tend to prefer hints of flesh rather than the whole shebang. A temptation is more sexy than just showing me everything.
All that is a problem of taste that can be never resolved.
Why they (game artists, designers) are doing that? Maybe some sort of an Eastern tradition or really a design “with the idea of sexually titillating the players” (Jayarte). Who knows?! There are many “strange” from my point of view things in MMOs (e.g. Popori race in TERA) but players like them.
IMHO it is an absurd to search for realism in fantasy games. Everything is possible by definition, the only limitations are imagination and talent of game artists/developers.
Option to choose clothes/armor styles. This will dramatically increase the amount of 3D modeling/texturing as well as coding work (game expenses), size of a client, and, probably, lags (the more divergent is a game world scene the more resources it consumes to be rendered).
As female gamer, I would say that most armor in games is already too restrictive. I do not really care for realism in a game, why would I want it real ? Real is ugly, heavy, and hard to maneuver . The whole concept of playing a game is the unlimited creative freedom that is lacking in the real world. I would rather armor have nothing to do with character ability ,class, or race. If I wanted to melee in a ms. clause outfit with stillettos I should be able to do so. That is the great thing about it being a game, IT ISN'T REAL!
I would like to see armor and weapons have stats set by the players, having all in game items socketable, tradable, craftable, droppable, salvageable, and have player appearance have absolutely nothing to do with ability.
I do not think armor in game is too sexy, in fact for the most part I do not even think it is all that sexy, hell if women want to run around nekkid in game they should be able to do so.
Removing player ability linked with armor stats would create a whole new level of unpredictability in combat that games currently lack. I would like to fight mages in ranger in melee gear, elves dressed as tanks.. that would be awesome! That way it wouldn't be the same ol predictable boring combat we currently have where you see an elf, know elf's weaknesses, counter elf. Blah blah blah-BORING! You wouldn;t know what that player was capable of until you fight them. Not only would it add a whole new layer to customization, it would add a camoflauge aspect and unpredictability that most games currently lack.
EDIT: I think I should be able to shoot lightening bolts from my boobs as well. Would be a nice touch!
It's something that has me curious for a while now: the armor for female characters in MMORPG's.
Yes, I know the adagium, 'sex sells', and they're games, not based on reality, but really, when you look at a lot of the skimpy outfits in a lot of the MMORPG's, like also the latest one TERA, then you have to wonder: what are they protecting against?
The only thing I can realistically think of is mosquitos flying in unwanted holes, but certainly the armor is no real protection against sharp swords and arrows. A few strips of leather or metal as armor is stretching believability, it makes one wonder that with one slash it'd all fall off anyway (now that'd add a new dimension to combat, armor that would get rent and removed when damaged enough in fights).
MMORPG's are not that unique in this image of women running around scantily clad, we've grown used to it in all kinds of advertisement, in music video clips (R&B and Britney Spears-type singers), and also in other singleplayer games. You certainly won't hear the majority of men complain about it - although, if the armor for male chars would become as sexy and skimpy so they'd have to run around as gigolo strippers I'm guessing a lot of male players would find it too 'gay' for their taste.
But I wonder: what do girl/woman gamers think of it, the female chars often having to run around in armor that's sometimes nothing more than a enhanced bikini set, while the male chars have more suitable armor?
And to the male gamers, would you care if the armor of male chars would undergo a 'sexification' and make you run around as a Chippendale stripper, or could you care less since it's pixels, nothing else?
Many funs in game come from realities. If both armors f male and female gamers could be more acceptable, closer to truth, thatis gamers want...
i would prefer much more customizable crafting, in terms of appearance.
i voted for more realisitc armors, but in the end, given that most "lore" behind higher end armorments involve magic or special enhancement, i think adding more nuance in the creation process is the key.
ive always been a fan of MMO's that allow for armor appearance to serve sort of as guild heraldry. As for the gender question, i do endorse some level of difference, as men and women obviously have differenct shapes and biomechanics, but i do not like the more sexualized armors currently favored for women in most MMO's.
It is ridiculous that female armor often bares more than it covers, and is then counted as equal to a fully covering suit of the male counterpart. Although the point is valid that this type of dress may sell to many gamers, I think it ruins any logic in the weapons system.
An interesting counterpoint that might be made, however, is that it seems unrealistic as well for a hundred-pound female avatar to haul around a suit of metal armor that, in all reasoning, would weigh much more than she does.
It is ridiculous that female armor often bares more than it covers, and is then counted as equal to a fully covering suit of the male counterpart. Although the point is valid that this type of dress may sell to many gamers, I think it ruins any logic in the weapons system.
An interesting counterpoint that might be made, however, is that it seems unrealistic as well for a hundred-pound female avatar to haul around a suit of metal armor that, in all reasoning, would weigh much more than she does.
I think women should be able to wear anything they want, but males should be forced to wear loin cloths at all times. They should be kept chained and women characters should have a special spell that when cast on the men, that when cast, they have to crawl around on all fours and bark.
I'm a girl, and when it comes to sexy armor, I gotta say: Bring it on!!
I love chainmail bikinis, fighting in my underwear, and all of the scanty armor that seems to be generally reviled these days. Who cares about "realism?" I'm flinging fireballs and healing people with but a touch and a few words. I want to kick ass, and look good while I do it. Show me two video game boxes, one with a sexy scantily clad girl, and one with a realistically armored girl, and I'll pass over the second in favor of the first.
I voted skimpy for guy armor too, but I like both the full plate and the loincloth approach for men. I just usually find female versions of "realistic armor" usually makes me look like a shapeless uglier male. I especially hate helmets. I spend all this time customizing my face and hair, why on earth would I want to cover it up and look just like everyone else?
Don't we just all want to see male avatars running around in really short armored tanktops and really tight leather speedo's?
But anyway, male avatars are also slightly sexualized most of the time. Cause seriously most of us simply don't look like that with abs of steel buffed or baby faced pretty boyish, like we were the male cast of twilight, and those movies prove that sex sells just as well with women as it does men. So just saying...just saying. :P
Well being a guy who's been around the block more than most can count, I sure can appreciate a gal in a bikini. Sheesh, I remember the days when Genie couldn't show her belly button but you really didn't want to piss her off. On the other hand, I also like a gal in outfits that leave at least a little to the imagination. LOTRO is one of those. The girls look good, well other than the frumpy peasants and I never cared much for bearded women so that leaves the dwarves out. Otherwise, I'd say it's quite more realistic. Allods also doesn't seem to be overly skimpy in womens clothing. So for those that worry about such things, their out there.
What bugs me more is the childish players who like running around in their underwear. I worry about them more than how much they wear.
It actually really bothers me. I understand that there are women that want to look sexy. If I'm playing a warrior, I want to look TOUGH. I don't want to look like a stripper. I want armor that covers my vital organs. At the very least, I appreciate it when the male version of the armor is equally skimpy (besides, according to male logic women like to look sexy to men, so why wouldn't more men bare their nice shiny pecs to the ladies?).
I'm not looking to pick up guys when I'm playing. So looking sexy is irrelevant. I play because I want to kill things - as many as possible, and look badass whilst doing so.
Its not a matter of morality. It's a matter of not looking or feeling tough in lingerie. Its hard enough being taken seriously as a female gamer as it is, looking like I'm dressed more for bed than battle is just a little too much. I'm with a lot of the others on this - give me the option to cover up. Then all the guys playing women can look at the nice jiggling boobs, and I can feel better about my position as tank on a team.
Excellent reply Gwen, I'm an older fellow, not quite ancient yet but I have some grey. I like my characters to look like I do, but then I'm not there to pick up girls either. Just like to make friends. Sadly a lot of games don't like us older folk either. The last thing I need is purple spiked hair, lol.
I am part of the majority of MMO players. ie: I am a male and I like boobs. Therefore when MMO developers create MMO's they should cater to me ... uh their majority I mean. Boobs
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Thats a good point. I've met a lot of older gamers on MMORPGs. I'd never thought about the age issue - but it is geared to look like teens-twenties avatars. It would be nice to see an aging factor in as well.
As a male who occasionally plays female characters, I prefer full plate that covers the body while at the same time looks attractive. It's possible to have 'sexy' armor w/o resorting to the lazyness of 'show as much skin as possible'
A lot of the issue seems to boil down to Men = fighters and Women = casters that a lot of western MMO's and some Asian ones have adopted. So we end up with really skinny female characters tanking in practically nothing while at the same time having male casters who look like they are addicted to steroids wearing robes that look like dresses. It just comes off very odd looking on both counts as if the developers were just too lazy to make tough looking women and frail men to fit the class roles
The OP seems to be assuming that there's a general consensus among women about armor in games. But just like you guys, we all have different tastes as well. Some women don't mind dressing up as though she should have her sword in one hand, and his sword in the other. Others would prefer that we keep it realistic - after all, back in medival days, armor didn't come in cup sizes. For example, I've seen Aion's armor designs praised/criticised several times here. Granted, I've seen some designs that I would never ever touch, but most of the armor I have saved in my warehouse covers pretty much everything, while still looking great (the chain armors have some really nice designs, and they tend to cover more than the others).
I personally don't mind which way the style goes as long as there's variety and it looks nice. I'm not huge on realism - I'm playing an angelic being powered by magical energy who casts a number of white magic spells - realism left town awhile ago. ^.^
“lazyness of 'show as much skin as possible'”. Naxxa
FYI, from the technical (3D modeling, texturing, etc.) point of view it is more difficult to model “skimpy-armor” (half naked). I know that from practice and can explain, but would like not to go in technical details.
“lazyness of 'show as much skin as possible'”. Naxxa
FYI, from the technical (3D modeling, texturing, etc.) point of view it is more difficult to model “skimpy-armor” (half naked). I know that from practice and can explain, but would like not to go in technical details.
Yep, a lot of times they actually have to add skin geometry that is removed by the armor piece itself. Something I noticed with AoC robes in beta was the entire back of my character ending up missing.
Also,
< dead sick of the "developers are lazy" bullcrap getting thrown around. It's like the catchphrase of the month. SW:ToR doesn't have space combat because they are lazy, FFXIV doesn't have jumping because they are lazy, APB doesn't give out handjobs because they are lazy... well I think the people making these comments are "stupid". Next they will say we aren't living on the moon because scientists are lazy.
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for my wife it seems that she actually likes the clothes. I'm not sure why but Im guessing it makes her feel sexy or something, like something she woudnt wear IRL. But thats just speculation, I guess its a fantasy game so let it be a fantasy indeed =P
Pretty much played every MMO that's come out since WoW.../sigh
Yes, I know the adagium, 'sex sells', and they're games, not based on reality, but really, when you look at a lot of the skimpy outfits in a lot of the MMORPG's, like also the latest one TERA, then you have to wonder: what are they protecting against?
The only thing I can realistically think of is mosquitos flying in unwanted holes, but certainly the armor is no real protection against sharp swords and arrows. A few strips of leather or metal as armor is stretching believability, it makes one wonder that with one slash it'd all fall off anyway (now that'd add a new dimension to combat, armor that would get rent and removed when damaged enough in fights).
You can shoot lightning bolts from your finger tips. You can fly with wings. You can teleport across the world. You can turn yourself invisible. You can wield a sword that can burst into flames, and kill a dragon. You can mesmerize creatures so they are stopped in their tracks. You can shoot a laser gun, or fly a space ship that can travel across the galaxy.
And you can't make magic armor that protects without covering? Or you can't make armor that produces a forcefield, instead of covering your body with metal?
Bikini Armor is magic, or technology. Just like flaming swords, teleporting, or shooting lightning out of your fingertips, or shooting a laser gun.
It's also been around in comics, book covers, movies, etc., long before MMORPGs and the home computer.
You ever saw a warrior cast a magic protection? The indecent clothes apply to EVERY class there is. Rogues, mages or warrior.As for it's been around...
You ever saw Mother Theresa? Priests or any cloth-wearers have never been as hot as a tree.
There's hardly ever been traces of any additional magic protection.
The argument isn't the same for rogues, who wears leather and maybe even use body to deceive opponents.
Warriors wear chainmail and plate, enough said.
I just think they are overdoing it. Slim bodies and perfect shape are fine. We are talking about video games. You don't see less in movies, why should you in an artificially made product? But at this point, I think it's just gross.
P.S. I am a heterosexual man for those wondering. That's just the way I feel about it.
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A girl that likes Fairy Tail... cool!
Eh? Methinks there are a great bunch of horror games that have been released the last years: we have the Silent Hill series, Resident Evil series, Left4Dead, Dead Space, FEAR, etc etc
When it comes to MMO's, yes, there's hardly any: only significant one I can think of is the upcoming The Secret World, a horror/urban fantasy MMO that draws its inspiration from H.P. Lovecraft and Stephen King among others.
I'd say that 4 out of 5 of those women running around in MMO's are men, but that's a discussion for another thread.
LotrO has a paper doll function, that makes the difference between how your character looks visually and what clothes will count for your stats. Some other games have a sortlike function. I think it's handy, yes.
Ah, the story may be sort of the same in a slightly different wrap up, but the setting and atmosphere is different: even if the content may be exactly the same as other fantasy stories, the looks of Star Wars is scifi.
I'd go so far and say that sciencefiction has a bigger allure for men, and fantasy a bigger allure for women.
As some have already mentioned, Star Wars is more science fantasy - replace the lightsabre with swords, the spaceships with horses, the Force with magic, and it differs nothing with the classis medieval fantasy and fairy tale stories: it already had the Princess and the knights.
Dune actually had a solid explanation on the ecology that made giant sandwurms happen, also the existing economy that arose from it was solid, so Dune is true scifi and believable in its own context.
In the end, fantasy, sciencefiction, horror and its myriad of subgenres like space opera, steampunk or sword & sorcery, they're all fantasy: all the stories and worlds are made up out of the imagination of the creators.
In the sciencefiction genre though the writer tend to adhere more to logic and realistic explanations of why things are as they are, often building further upon ideas and scientific theories that are out there or that wouldn't seem farfetched.
Fantasy by its nature generally has a looser relationship with logic and its foundations rest less on scientific value or realism.
Also, when you look at western fantasy and asian fantasy, asian fattasy makes a larger call on our suspension of disbelief and it negates more logic and realism than western fantasy, that often has more realism involved in it.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
The way most games design there armor for women makes them look like cheap whores and nothing more i as man never understood how a woman would like to play an avatar which looks like that (not judging here tho)
My wife simple refuse to play some of the games which will come out soon only because of the fact that her avatar would look like a slut...
I think mmos should give u the option how u want your armor to look at your character u wanna run around half naked it should allow it but for the players who like it more serious there should be an option to actually wear armor instead of the small pieces of cloth called armor.
you're getting your terms confused. THX 1138 would actually not be hard sci fi, since it's mainly concerned with society in the future.
There is hard sci fi, and soft sci fi, but both are most definitely sci fi.
Hard sci fi would be like a story about a Moon base, where everything is based on what is actually plausible in the future, taking into account what we know about construction and real world physics.
Soft Sci Fi is based in a futuristic world, but doesn't spend any time trying to explain how something could actually be built based on what we currently know about engineering and physics. It tends to concentrate on what the society is like, and the social sciences like politics, sociology, etc.
For example, Avatar with machines that can transfer your brain into an "avatar" is soft sci fi. It's just made up baloney, and not based on any hard science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_science_fiction
Male gamer here. I tend to prefer armor that suits the role. Tanks = plate, Rogues/Archers = leather, and mages = cloth. You can make the armor more or less sexy. I don't really care as long as it is somewhat realistic. I also tend to prefer hints of flesh rather than the whole shebang. A temptation is more sexy than just showing me everything.
Example:
http://www.massively.com/photos/terafans-castanic-female-armor-renders/#3142827
http://www.massively.com/photos/terafans-castanic-female-armor-renders/#3142830
I like those armors. Mostly covering, but yet still sexy.
These just look stupid to me. It looks like something Lady Gaga would wear out in public.
http://www.massively.com/photos/terafans-castanic-female-armor-renders/#3142826
http://www.massively.com/photos/terafans-castanic-female-armor-renders/#3142829
I also like this one of the male castanic. Looks hot to me.
http://www.massively.com/photos/terafans-male-castanic-armor-renders/#3150050
All that is a problem of taste that can be never resolved.
Why they (game artists, designers) are doing that? Maybe some sort of an Eastern tradition or really a design “with the idea of sexually titillating the players” (Jayarte). Who knows?! There are many “strange” from my point of view things in MMOs (e.g. Popori race in TERA) but players like them.
IMHO it is an absurd to search for realism in fantasy games. Everything is possible by definition, the only limitations are imagination and talent of game artists/developers.
Option to choose clothes/armor styles. This will dramatically increase the amount of 3D modeling/texturing as well as coding work (game expenses), size of a client, and, probably, lags (the more divergent is a game world scene the more resources it consumes to be rendered).
As female gamer, I would say that most armor in games is already too restrictive. I do not really care for realism in a game, why would I want it real ? Real is ugly, heavy, and hard to maneuver . The whole concept of playing a game is the unlimited creative freedom that is lacking in the real world. I would rather armor have nothing to do with character ability ,class, or race. If I wanted to melee in a ms. clause outfit with stillettos I should be able to do so. That is the great thing about it being a game, IT ISN'T REAL!
I would like to see armor and weapons have stats set by the players, having all in game items socketable, tradable, craftable, droppable, salvageable, and have player appearance have absolutely nothing to do with ability.
I do not think armor in game is too sexy, in fact for the most part I do not even think it is all that sexy, hell if women want to run around nekkid in game they should be able to do so.
Removing player ability linked with armor stats would create a whole new level of unpredictability in combat that games currently lack. I would like to fight mages in ranger in melee gear, elves dressed as tanks.. that would be awesome! That way it wouldn't be the same ol predictable boring combat we currently have where you see an elf, know elf's weaknesses, counter elf. Blah blah blah-BORING! You wouldn;t know what that player was capable of until you fight them. Not only would it add a whole new layer to customization, it would add a camoflauge aspect and unpredictability that most games currently lack.
EDIT: I think I should be able to shoot lightening bolts from my boobs as well. Would be a nice touch!
Many funs in game come from realities. If both armors f male and female gamers could be more acceptable, closer to truth, thatis gamers want...
i would prefer much more customizable crafting, in terms of appearance.
i voted for more realisitc armors, but in the end, given that most "lore" behind higher end armorments involve magic or special enhancement, i think adding more nuance in the creation process is the key.
ive always been a fan of MMO's that allow for armor appearance to serve sort of as guild heraldry. As for the gender question, i do endorse some level of difference, as men and women obviously have differenct shapes and biomechanics, but i do not like the more sexualized armors currently favored for women in most MMO's.
It is ridiculous that female armor often bares more than it covers, and is then counted as equal to a fully covering suit of the male counterpart. Although the point is valid that this type of dress may sell to many gamers, I think it ruins any logic in the weapons system.
An interesting counterpoint that might be made, however, is that it seems unrealistic as well for a hundred-pound female avatar to haul around a suit of metal armor that, in all reasoning, would weigh much more than she does.
I think women should be able to wear anything they want, but males should be forced to wear loin cloths at all times. They should be kept chained and women characters should have a special spell that when cast on the men, that when cast, they have to crawl around on all fours and bark.
Now THAT would be awesome!
Trying to tear my eyes away from the Terra armour link…need more Willpower…can anyone buff me?…help!
I'm a girl, and when it comes to sexy armor, I gotta say: Bring it on!!
I love chainmail bikinis, fighting in my underwear, and all of the scanty armor that seems to be generally reviled these days. Who cares about "realism?" I'm flinging fireballs and healing people with but a touch and a few words. I want to kick ass, and look good while I do it.
Show me two video game boxes, one with a sexy scantily clad girl, and one with a realistically armored girl, and I'll pass over the second in favor of the first.
I voted skimpy for guy armor too, but I like both the full plate and the loincloth approach for men. I just usually find female versions of "realistic armor" usually makes me look like a shapeless uglier male. I especially hate helmets. I spend all this time customizing my face and hair, why on earth would I want to cover it up and look just like everyone else?
Don't we just all want to see male avatars running around in really short armored tanktops and really tight leather speedo's?
But anyway, male avatars are also slightly sexualized most of the time. Cause seriously most of us simply don't look like that with abs of steel buffed or baby faced pretty boyish, like we were the male cast of twilight, and those movies prove that sex sells just as well with women as it does men. So just saying...just saying. :P
Well being a guy who's been around the block more than most can count, I sure can appreciate a gal in a bikini. Sheesh, I remember the days when Genie couldn't show her belly button but you really didn't want to piss her off. On the other hand, I also like a gal in outfits that leave at least a little to the imagination. LOTRO is one of those. The girls look good, well other than the frumpy peasants and I never cared much for bearded women so that leaves the dwarves out. Otherwise, I'd say it's quite more realistic. Allods also doesn't seem to be overly skimpy in womens clothing. So for those that worry about such things, their out there.
What bugs me more is the childish players who like running around in their underwear. I worry about them more than how much they wear.
It actually really bothers me. I understand that there are women that want to look sexy. If I'm playing a warrior, I want to look TOUGH. I don't want to look like a stripper. I want armor that covers my vital organs. At the very least, I appreciate it when the male version of the armor is equally skimpy (besides, according to male logic women like to look sexy to men, so why wouldn't more men bare their nice shiny pecs to the ladies?).
I'm not looking to pick up guys when I'm playing. So looking sexy is irrelevant. I play because I want to kill things - as many as possible, and look badass whilst doing so.
Its not a matter of morality. It's a matter of not looking or feeling tough in lingerie. Its hard enough being taken seriously as a female gamer as it is, looking like I'm dressed more for bed than battle is just a little too much. I'm with a lot of the others on this - give me the option to cover up. Then all the guys playing women can look at the nice jiggling boobs, and I can feel better about my position as tank on a team.
Excellent reply Gwen, I'm an older fellow, not quite ancient yet but I have some grey. I like my characters to look like I do, but then I'm not there to pick up girls either. Just like to make friends. Sadly a lot of games don't like us older folk either. The last thing I need is purple spiked hair, lol.
I am part of the majority of MMO players. ie: I am a male and I like boobs. Therefore when MMO developers create MMO's they should cater to me ... uh their majority I mean. Boobs
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Thats a good point. I've met a lot of older gamers on MMORPGs. I'd never thought about the age issue - but it is geared to look like teens-twenties avatars. It would be nice to see an aging factor in as well.
As a male who occasionally plays female characters, I prefer full plate that covers the body while at the same time looks attractive. It's possible to have 'sexy' armor w/o resorting to the lazyness of 'show as much skin as possible'
A lot of the issue seems to boil down to Men = fighters and Women = casters that a lot of western MMO's and some Asian ones have adopted. So we end up with really skinny female characters tanking in practically nothing while at the same time having male casters who look like they are addicted to steroids wearing robes that look like dresses. It just comes off very odd looking on both counts as if the developers were just too lazy to make tough looking women and frail men to fit the class roles
The OP seems to be assuming that there's a general consensus among women about armor in games. But just like you guys, we all have different tastes as well. Some women don't mind dressing up as though she should have her sword in one hand, and his sword in the other. Others would prefer that we keep it realistic - after all, back in medival days, armor didn't come in cup sizes. For example, I've seen Aion's armor designs praised/criticised several times here. Granted, I've seen some designs that I would never ever touch, but most of the armor I have saved in my warehouse covers pretty much everything, while still looking great (the chain armors have some really nice designs, and they tend to cover more than the others).
I personally don't mind which way the style goes as long as there's variety and it looks nice. I'm not huge on realism - I'm playing an angelic being powered by magical energy who casts a number of white magic spells - realism left town awhile ago. ^.^
Well, we need fairness. I want sexy looking male characters in skimpy gear EVERYWHERE! Muahahaha! XD
Let's show the girls who the REAL good looking gender is.
If you find THAT absurd... maybe you rethink your attitude that scantly clad women are ok. It's either both or none.
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FYI, from the technical (3D modeling, texturing, etc.) point of view it is more difficult to model “skimpy-armor” (half naked). I know that from practice and can explain, but would like not to go in technical details.
Yep, a lot of times they actually have to add skin geometry that is removed by the armor piece itself. Something I noticed with AoC robes in beta was the entire back of my character ending up missing.
Also,
< dead sick of the "developers are lazy" bullcrap getting thrown around. It's like the catchphrase of the month. SW:ToR doesn't have space combat because they are lazy, FFXIV doesn't have jumping because they are lazy, APB doesn't give out handjobs because they are lazy... well I think the people making these comments are "stupid". Next they will say we aren't living on the moon because scientists are lazy.
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for my wife it seems that she actually likes the clothes. I'm not sure why but Im guessing it makes her feel sexy or something, like something she woudnt wear IRL. But thats just speculation, I guess its a fantasy game so let it be a fantasy indeed =P
You ever saw a warrior cast a magic protection? The indecent clothes apply to EVERY class there is. Rogues, mages or warrior.As for it's been around...
You ever saw Mother Theresa? Priests or any cloth-wearers have never been as hot as a tree.
There's hardly ever been traces of any additional magic protection.
The argument isn't the same for rogues, who wears leather and maybe even use body to deceive opponents.
Warriors wear chainmail and plate, enough said.
I just think they are overdoing it. Slim bodies and perfect shape are fine. We are talking about video games. You don't see less in movies, why should you in an artificially made product? But at this point, I think it's just gross.
P.S. I am a heterosexual man for those wondering. That's just the way I feel about it.