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osmundaosmunda Member Posts: 1,087
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I'm referring to the people complaining about cheats and hacks, not Starvault. Starvault has expressed their concern about hacking and has a self-interest in keeping such behavior reined in.  On the other hand there are several people doing a lot of hand-wringing about how MO is plagued with hacks, despite the fact that they don't play or plan on ever playing.

One example of this is the steel dupe which is of limited benefit. To even utilize it, you had to get steel and then get the gold to purchase the steel from the NPC. If you were to mine granum and refine it to steel, while selling all of the byproducts, it's likely you would end up in close to the same situation.   One way you get steel cheaply, theother way you get steel for the cost of production and make money off the by-products. Somehow, though, this became the "deathblow" to the economy of MO and should result in wiping everything made by everyone.

The other is Daniel777/Nightburn's accusation of Godly  (or some other Myrmidon) of cheating somehow turning into "proof" that players are able to crash the server and evidence that counselors and/or GMs are cheating on behalf of their friends.

While I have no insight into the motives of other posters, there are clear examples of people who express great concern about cheating, despite evidence to the contrary......

 


Daniel777


Daniel777  (The origin of that second thread): 


"Also, I know for a fact that the guy was hacking and only got a 3 day ban because he is my friend." http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/954294-post10.html


 


Also, in light of recent events, I find it odd that he has stacks of steel for sale http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/49149-selling-1300-steel-some-lupium-600-a.html


 


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The mission set out by Darkfall players to destroy Mortal Online is almost complete. In just a weeks time, Mortal's economy will be flooded with millions upon millions of duped gold. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.  http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/280207/Just-a-week-till-the-mission-is-complete.html


 



 


Suprised that people just found out about this (been in since beta). I do think though that SV is nailed to a wall on this one. If they don't wipe, the game's meta game will be dominated by nothing but dupers and the economy in the game will be meaningless. On the other hand, SV can wipe and risk having too few people to populate the game (in its first month no less). I doubt SV can really risk losing any more people and in all likelihood will have to sacrifice the game's economy in the name of maintaining subs.   http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3652391#3652391 


 


There are other examples, but I'll limit myself to comments made since release.


 


Such criticism of MO in the absence of any concern (or reason to be concerned) about MO raises the question of whether people are trying to make constructive criticism or are just trying to tear the game down. My question to the people putting in all the effort to criticize a game you are not playing is "Are you actually giving constructive criticism of the games you actually play?"


 


 



Also, I know for a fact that the guy was hacking and only got a 3 day ban because he is my friend.


And please don't come saying that the hacks don't work cause I have seen them working and there is actually a site that sells it...



Also, I know for a fact that the guy was hacking and only got a 3 day ban because he is my friend.


And please don't come saying that the hacks don't work cause I have seen them working and there is actually a site that sells it...





Also, I know for a fact that the guy was hacking and only got a 3 day ban because he is my friend.


And please don't come saying that the hacks don't work cause I have seen them working and there is actually a site that sells it...Also, I know for a fact that the guy was hacking and only got a 3 day ban because he is my friend.


And please don't come saying that the hacks don't work cause I have seen them working and there is actually a site that sells it...




Also, I know for a fact that the guy was hacking and only got a 3 day ban because he is my friend.


And please don't come saying that the hacks don't work cause I have seen them working and there is actually a site that sells it...

 


Also, I know for a fact that the guy was hacking and only got a 3 day ban because he is my friend.


And please don't come saying that the hacks don't work cause I have seen them working and there is actually a site that sells it...

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  • PoopBucketPoopBucket Member Posts: 66

    Originally posted by BLittmanEsq

    Originally posted by PoopBucket

    I play the game, or I did, until I realized the programers are so incompetent it will never work.  Every time they "fix" siomething it doesn't get fixed and 7 other things break.  There are MANY bugs that have been in since DAY 1, have been reported, and ARE STILL NOT FIXED A MONTH AFTER RELEASE.  

     

    This isnt small bugs, but GAME BREAKING BUGS.  If they could have fixed it I imagine they would have.  Since they didn't fix them, I assume they can't fix them and are hoping htey will magically go away at some point.

     

    I like the part where you tie this ragepost into the topic of the thread.  

     

    ..oh wait...

    I posted a thread about cheating and hacking, he says people bitching about it don't play, I say I play.  Did I spell hat out clear aenough for you this time.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,724

    Sorry.. but if the company did basic things like send out working discs to people who bought them... or fix dupe bugs that were reported for weeks... there would be less complaining.

     

    And for the record.. you are underestimating the impact of the dupe bug. The people complaining are all over the official forums... meaning they are currently paying customers.  Perhaps this post would best be responded to on the official forums as it will be seen by a wider population of the players complaining?

     

    PS: If you ONLY want to discuss things with current players of the game... thats what the official forums are for!  They even locked out all non-subscribers to keep it nice and highly moderated/censored.

     

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  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730

    These are the politics of forum warfare.  Most hater posts don't really discuss the actual game - they deal with attempting to create a perception about a game.  Again, this has little to do with the actual game, and more to do with winning an argument on a forum while attempting to "prove" that a game they don't like is "bad".

    If that sounds petty, well, it is.  A lot of MMO players can't seem to grasp the concept that people like and dislike all sorts of games.  Many MMO gamers are compelled to rationalize their dislike of a game - "It can't be me, I really know my MMOs, there must be a reason I don't like it.  I know, it must be a bad game."

    This is particularly the case with people who don't play a game.  Being ignorant of actual gameplay, and lacking practical experience with the actual effects of problems in a game, they are limited to mining posts that might have a negative connotation, which they parrot it in the hope of reinforcing that negative perception.

    Regarding the supposed hacking/cheating/exploiting problems in MO, this applies.  The hater doesn't have an actual concern for the game or its players - they are just looking to spread more negatives to "win" their argument.  Any pretense of altruism is feigned, simply to cover a petty personal agenda against a game they've allowed to traumatize them.  They also demand little proof, as they will jump on board with almost any allegation.

    In closing, I thought this quote from ChinaCat on the DF board here to be particularly appropriate in how "liking" something is so subjective, and how personal views and beliefs are malleable, depending on what you enjoy:

    "There are always going to be some number of people that don't like a game for whatever reason or have different opinions.   At some point, say "months" of constant complaning, regardless of opinion those folks lose all credibility and merely appear to be trolls.    I mean really, who sticks around on a particular gaming forum for months, at times years, with nothing but bad things to say; except those with issues that go way beyond any a game would present.   There comes a point where it's best to ignore them and let them talk to themselves.

    Cheers -CC"

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  • Got_Game_TVGot_Game_TV Member UncommonPosts: 262

    Feigned interest, real trolling. 

     

    To be completely honest, the level of dedication MO's trolls have put forth in trying to bring it down is nothing short of amazing and boggles the mind.  To put that much effort into bringing down a game you haven't even WANTED to play for months is probably indicative of some larger mental problem.  I dunno.

     

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  • PoopBucketPoopBucket Member Posts: 66

    Originally posted by Rohn

    These are the politics of forum warfare.  Most hater posts don't really discuss the actual game - they deal with attempting to create a perception about a game.  Again, this has little to do with the actual game, and more to do with winning an argument on a forum while attempting to "prove" that a game they don't like is "bad".

    If that sounds petty, well, it is.  A lot of MMO players can't seem to grasp the concept that people like and dislike all sorts of games.  Many MMO games are compelled to rationalize their dislike of a game - "It can't be me, I really know my MMOs, there must be a reason I don't like it.  I know, it must be a bad game."

    This is particularly the case with people who don't play a game.  Being ignorant of actual gameplay, and lacking practical experience with the actual effects of problems in a game, they are limited to mining posts that might have a negative connotation, which they parrot it in the hope of reinforcing that negative perception.

    Regarding the supposed hacking/cheating/exploiting problems in MO, this applies.  The hater doesn't have an actual concern for the game or its players - they are just looking to spread more negatives to "win" their argument.  Any pretense of altruism is feigned, simply to cover a petty personal agenda against a game they've allowed to traumatize them.  They also demand little proof, as they will jump on board with almost any allegation.

    In closing, I thought this quote from ChinaCat on the DF board here to be particularly appropriate in how "liking" something is so subjective, and how personal views and beliefs are malleable, depending on what you enjoy:

    "There are always going to be some number of people that don't like a game for whatever reason or have different opinions.   At some point, say "months" of constant complaning, regardless of opinion those folks lose all credibility and merely appear to be trolls.    I mean really, who sticks around on a particular gaming forum for months, at times years, with nothing but bad things to say; except those with issues that go way beyond any a game would present.   There comes a point where it's best to ignore them and let them talk to themselves.

    Cheers -CC"

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/post/3652862#3652862

    I try to just post the fact about the game, not perceptions.  THere is instant logging, duping, claims by people who like the game that the devs are in guilds, the server goes down for over an hour at a time a month after release, the server goes down for 10-15 min about 30 times a day, AI falls from the sky like rain, people dont draw until they are 10 feet in front of you, after last patch there is a ton of hitching and lag, you still cannot read books offline, you still get stuck on terrain all over the world, before last patch reds were all perma blue....etc....etc....

     

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  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730

    Originally posted by PoopBucket

    Originally posted by Rohn

    These are the politics of forum warfare.  Most hater posts don't really discuss the actual game - they deal with attempting to create a perception about a game.  Again, this has little to do with the actual game, and more to do with winning an argument on a forum while attempting to "prove" that a game they don't like is "bad".

    If that sounds petty, well, it is.  A lot of MMO players can't seem to grasp the concept that people like and dislike all sorts of games.  Many MMO games are compelled to rationalize their dislike of a game - "It can't be me, I really know my MMOs, there must be a reason I don't like it.  I know, it must be a bad game."

    This is particularly the case with people who don't play a game.  Being ignorant of actual gameplay, and lacking practical experience with the actual effects of problems in a game, they are limited to mining posts that might have a negative connotation, which they parrot it in the hope of reinforcing that negative perception.

    Regarding the supposed hacking/cheating/exploiting problems in MO, this applies.  The hater doesn't have an actual concern for the game or its players - they are just looking to spread more negatives to "win" their argument.  Any pretense of altruism is feigned, simply to cover a petty personal agenda against a game they've allowed to traumatize them.  They also demand little proof, as they will jump on board with almost any allegation.

    In closing, I thought this quote from ChinaCat on the DF board here to be particularly appropriate in how "liking" something is so subjective, and how personal views and beliefs are malleable, depending on what you enjoy:

    "There are always going to be some number of people that don't like a game for whatever reason or have different opinions.   At some point, say "months" of constant complaning, regardless of opinion those folks lose all credibility and merely appear to be trolls.    I mean really, who sticks around on a particular gaming forum for months, at times years, with nothing but bad things to say; except those with issues that go way beyond any a game would present.   There comes a point where it's best to ignore them and let them talk to themselves.

    Cheers -CC"

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/post/3652862#3652862

    I try to just post the fact about the game, not perceptions.  THere is instant logging, duping, claims by people who like the game that the devs are in guilds, the server goes down for over an hour at a time a month after release, the server goes down for 10-15 min about 30 times a day, AI falls from the sky like rain, people dont draw until they are 10 feet in front of you, after last patch there is a ton of hitching and lag, you still cannot read books offline, you still get stuck on terrain all over the world, before last patch reds were all perma blue....etc....etc....

     

    There's the problem right there: a lack of objectivity.

    No one said the game doesn't have problems.  It's the degree of those problems that are in question.

    Some of the things you've listed above are actual problems.  But, many of the things you've listed are claims (inappropriate dev/guild relations), ridiculous exaggerations (server crashing 30 times per day), or mischaracterizations (AI falling from sky as opposed to magically appearing as in most games).

    It's really hard to take a discussion of the real problems seriously, when they are interspersed with nonsense.

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  • Southpaw.GamerSouthpaw.Gamer Member CommonPosts: 572

    Hacking is very rampant in MO, how do I know? Because my brother and a few of his buddies bought the hack program to see what it could offer, and from our experiences in the game not using hacks to using them ourselves our eyes were opened a great deal.

     

    I always wondered why so many people never seemingly ran out of stamina, or how in the darkest of nights some PKs were never affected by the darkness... and worst of all the fact that the hacks allow the user to gather from any node and CHOOSE what they get from it, which if you need an example my brother could gather from a whitewood tree in complete safety of the guards and actually be gathering whatever it is that gives you steel when refined.  

     

    The game is so fucking broken and no one likes to admit it.  The only way to get caught hacking is if you decide to change the physics like flying around... what did my brother call it... vector hacks?  Either way, good concept for a game, but in the end I'm not paying to play a game where hacks are required to even compete in the slightest ways.

     

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  • PoopBucketPoopBucket Member Posts: 66

    Originally posted by Rohn

    Originally posted by PoopBucket

    Originally posted by Rohn

    These are the politics of forum warfare.  Most hater posts don't really discuss the actual game - they deal with attempting to create a perception about a game.  Again, this has little to do with the actual game, and more to do with winning an argument on a forum while attempting to "prove" that a game they don't like is "bad".

    If that sounds petty, well, it is.  A lot of MMO players can't seem to grasp the concept that people like and dislike all sorts of games.  Many MMO games are compelled to rationalize their dislike of a game - "It can't be me, I really know my MMOs, there must be a reason I don't like it.  I know, it must be a bad game."

    This is particularly the case with people who don't play a game.  Being ignorant of actual gameplay, and lacking practical experience with the actual effects of problems in a game, they are limited to mining posts that might have a negative connotation, which they parrot it in the hope of reinforcing that negative perception.

    Regarding the supposed hacking/cheating/exploiting problems in MO, this applies.  The hater doesn't have an actual concern for the game or its players - they are just looking to spread more negatives to "win" their argument.  Any pretense of altruism is feigned, simply to cover a petty personal agenda against a game they've allowed to traumatize them.  They also demand little proof, as they will jump on board with almost any allegation.

    In closing, I thought this quote from ChinaCat on the DF board here to be particularly appropriate in how "liking" something is so subjective, and how personal views and beliefs are malleable, depending on what you enjoy:

    "There are always going to be some number of people that don't like a game for whatever reason or have different opinions.   At some point, say "months" of constant complaning, regardless of opinion those folks lose all credibility and merely appear to be trolls.    I mean really, who sticks around on a particular gaming forum for months, at times years, with nothing but bad things to say; except those with issues that go way beyond any a game would present.   There comes a point where it's best to ignore them and let them talk to themselves.

    Cheers -CC"

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/post/3652862#3652862

    I try to just post the fact about the game, not perceptions.  THere is instant logging, duping, claims by people who like the game that the devs are in guilds, the server goes down for over an hour at a time a month after release, the server goes down for 10-15 min about 30 times a day, AI falls from the sky like rain, people dont draw until they are 10 feet in front of you, after last patch there is a ton of hitching and lag, you still cannot read books offline, you still get stuck on terrain all over the world, before last patch reds were all perma blue....etc....etc....

     

    There's the problem right there: a lack of objectivity.

    No one said the game doesn't have problems.  It's the degree of those problems that are in question.

    Some of the things you've listed above are actual problems.  But, many of the things you've listed are claims (inappropriate dev/guild relations), ridiculous exaggerations (server crashing 30 times per day), or mischaracterizations (AI falling from sky as opposed to magically appearing as in most games).

    It's really hard to take a discussion of the real problems seriously, when they are interspersed with nonsense.

    But, many of the things you've listed are claims (inappropriate dev/guild relations) I Said this was a claim by people in game, ridiculous exaggerations (server crashing 30 times per day) IT does crash 30 Times a day, see below, or mischaracterizations (AI falling from sky as opposed to magically appearing as in most games) Apparently YOU do not play this game,  Pigs, weasels, etc  FALL FROM THE SKY when you approach them.  THEY FKING RAIN DOWN FROM THE SKY..

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  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730

    Originally posted by Bainwalker

    Hacking is very rampant in MO, how do I know? Because my brother and a few of his buddies bought the hack program to see what it could offer, and from our experiences in the game not using hacks to using them ourselves our eyes were opened a great deal.

     

    I always wondered why so many people never seemingly ran out of stamina, or how in the darkest of nights some PKs were never affected by the darkness... and worst of all the fact that the hacks allow the user to gather from any node and CHOOSE what they get from it, which if you need an example my brother could gather from a whitewood tree in complete safety of the guards and actually be gathering whatever it is that gives you steel when refined.  

     

    The game is so fucking broken and no one likes to admit it.  The only way to get caught hacking is if you decide to change the physics like flying around... what did my brother call it... vector hacks?  Either way, good concept for a game, but in the end I'm not paying to play a game where hacks are required to even compete in the slightest ways.

     

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    Again, your logic doesn't follow.

    All games have hacks.  The fact that your brother might have used hacks doesn't "prove" that the use of hacks are rampant.

    Actually, the only thing you've proved here is that your brother and his friends are pieces of cheating garbage, by your own admission, in that they used hacks.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,724

    Originally posted by Rohn

     

     

    There's the problem right there: a lack of objectivity.

     

     Objectivity is for someone writing and official review.  Forums are for people's opinions.. which are by definition subjective.  Perhaps that is the problem you are experiencing.

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  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730

    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    Originally posted by Rohn

     

     

    There's the problem right there: a lack of objectivity.

     

     Objectivity is for someone writing and official review.  Forums are for people's opinions.. which are by definition subjective.  Perhaps that is the problem you are experiencing.

     

    Official reviews are themselves subjective, by definition, because they are also an opinion.

    Anyone can attempt to be objective, and give an objective opinion, just as people can lie, or exaggerate.  As nice as it is to believe so, not all opinions are honest.

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  • Southpaw.GamerSouthpaw.Gamer Member CommonPosts: 572

    Originally posted by Rohn

    Originally posted by Bainwalker

    Hacking is very rampant in MO, how do I know? Because my brother and a few of his buddies bought the hack program to see what it could offer, and from our experiences in the game not using hacks to using them ourselves our eyes were opened a great deal.

     

    I always wondered why so many people never seemingly ran out of stamina, or how in the darkest of nights some PKs were never affected by the darkness... and worst of all the fact that the hacks allow the user to gather from any node and CHOOSE what they get from it, which if you need an example my brother could gather from a whitewood tree in complete safety of the guards and actually be gathering whatever it is that gives you steel when refined.  

     

    The game is so fucking broken and no one likes to admit it.  The only way to get caught hacking is if you decide to change the physics like flying around... what did my brother call it... vector hacks?  Either way, good concept for a game, but in the end I'm not paying to play a game where hacks are required to even compete in the slightest ways.

     

    DO NOT BUY THIS GAME

     

    Again, your logic doesn't follow.

    All games have hacks.  The fact that your brother might have used hacks doesn't "prove" that the use of hacks are rampant.

    Actually, the only thing you've proved here is that your brother and his friends are pieces of cheating garbage, by your own admission, in that they used hacks.

    They chose to after we all decided the game wasn't worth subbing to, they wanted to see the difference it would make and when they did start using the hacks they started noticing how suddenly they could do a lot of the things they were seeing but couldn't explain, the biggest being never running out of stamina.

     

    My logic is logical to me because I've seen it, could I be lying? Yes, but that's for everyone here to decide.  I don't condone hacking, never have, but at the same time I'm not going to give my brother shit for hacking in a game we now know is rampant among the community... well, what's left of it anyways.

     

    The hack program not only destroys fair PVP but also destroys what little of an economy there is.  Read the other posts in here where people talk about folks having quick steel... guess what buddy? All those stacks of steel likely came to them by use of the hack program.  

     

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,724

    Originally posted by Rohn

     

     

    Anyone can attempt to be objective, and give an objective opinion, just as people can lie, or exaggerate.  As nice as it is to believe so, not all opinions are honest.

    Exactly.. just as it cuts both ways.   When someone posted that the server crashed only one or two times a day the week after release,  I went and got the data from Edoras (or whatever his name is) for the week in question and showed that it was crashing 15-16 times on average per day.

     

    If you disagree with a statement.. counter it with fact if possible, thus disproving the false claim.  If there is nothing to back up your opinion then his is just as valid as yours.

     

    This cuts both ways.  People exagerate positive and negative claims.  If there is factual data to disprove it then provide it.

     

    If there is no such data.. then his opinion is just as valid.

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  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730

    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    Originally posted by Rohn

     

     

    Anyone can attempt to be objective, and give an objective opinion, just as people can lie, or exaggerate.  As nice as it is to believe so, not all opinions are honest.

    Exactly.. just as it cuts both ways.   When someone posted that the server crashed only one or two times a day the week after release,  I went and got the data from Edoras (or whatever his name is) for the week in question and showed that it was crashing 15-16 times on average per day.

     

    If you disagree with a statement.. counter it with fact if possible, thus disproving the false claim.  If there is nothing to back up your opinion then his is just as valid as yours.

     

    This cuts both ways.  People exagerate positive and negative claims.  If there is factual data to disprove it then provide it.

     

    If there is no such data.. then his opinion is just as valid.

     

    Indeed, it does cut both ways.  A claim isn't a fact until disproven with fact.  It's still just a claim, until they prove it with some form of actual evidence.

    That's what the haters so often forget, as they jump on board with any claim that might appear negative.  No proof really required, if it goes along with their preconceived notion - they treat the claim as fact, when it isn't.

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  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730

    Originally posted by Bainwalker

    Originally posted by Rohn

    Originally posted by Bainwalker

    Hacking is very rampant in MO, how do I know? Because my brother and a few of his buddies bought the hack program to see what it could offer, and from our experiences in the game not using hacks to using them ourselves our eyes were opened a great deal.

     

    I always wondered why so many people never seemingly ran out of stamina, or how in the darkest of nights some PKs were never affected by the darkness... and worst of all the fact that the hacks allow the user to gather from any node and CHOOSE what they get from it, which if you need an example my brother could gather from a whitewood tree in complete safety of the guards and actually be gathering whatever it is that gives you steel when refined.  

     

    The game is so fucking broken and no one likes to admit it.  The only way to get caught hacking is if you decide to change the physics like flying around... what did my brother call it... vector hacks?  Either way, good concept for a game, but in the end I'm not paying to play a game where hacks are required to even compete in the slightest ways.

     

    DO NOT BUY THIS GAME

     

    Again, your logic doesn't follow.

    All games have hacks.  The fact that your brother might have used hacks doesn't "prove" that the use of hacks are rampant.

    Actually, the only thing you've proved here is that your brother and his friends are pieces of cheating garbage, by your own admission, in that they used hacks.

    They chose to after we all decided the game wasn't worth subbing to, they wanted to see the difference it would make and when they did start using the hacks they started noticing how suddenly they could do a lot of the things they were seeing but couldn't explain, the biggest being never running out of stamina.

     

    My logic is logical to me because I've seen it, could I be lying? Yes, but that's for everyone here to decide.  I don't condone hacking, never have, but at the same time I'm not going to give my brother shit for hacking in a game we now know is rampant among the community... well, what's left of it anyways.

     

    The hack program not only destroys fair PVP but also destroys what little of an economy there is.  Read the other posts in here where people talk about folks having quick steel... guess what buddy? All those stacks of steel likely came to them by use of the hack program.  

     

    Again, do not buy this game.  

     

    Again, you haven't proven rampant hacking - just that your brother uses hacks, and that apparently you condone the use of hacks in games you don't like.

    Without more hard evidence, this is just another exaggerated claim.

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • PoopBucketPoopBucket Member Posts: 66

    Originally posted by Rohn

    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    Originally posted by Rohn

     

     

    Anyone can attempt to be objective, and give an objective opinion, just as people can lie, or exaggerate.  As nice as it is to believe so, not all opinions are honest.

    Exactly.. just as it cuts both ways.   When someone posted that the server crashed only one or two times a day the week after release,  I went and got the data from Edoras (or whatever his name is) for the week in question and showed that it was crashing 15-16 times on average per day.

     

    If you disagree with a statement.. counter it with fact if possible, thus disproving the false claim.  If there is nothing to back up your opinion then his is just as valid as yours.

     

    This cuts both ways.  People exagerate positive and negative claims.  If there is factual data to disprove it then provide it.

     

    If there is no such data.. then his opinion is just as valid.

     

    Indeed, it does cut both ways.  A claim isn't a fact until disproven with fact.  It's still just a claim, until they prove it with some form of actual evidence.

    That's what the haters so often forget, as they jump on board with any claim that might appear negative.  No proof really required, if it goes along with their preconceived notion - they treat the claim as fact, when it isn't.

    I have a fact, the game had a 8.3 hype rating until it was realsed now it is 7.3 (was 7.5 yesterday, so seems to be falling off a cliff).

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,724

    Originally posted by Rohn

     

     

    Indeed, it does cut both ways.  A claim isn't a fact until disproven with fact.  It's still just a claim, until they prove it with some form of actual evidence.

    That's what the haters so often forget, as they jump on board with any claim that might appear negative.  No proof really required, if it goes along with their preconceived notion - they treat the claim as fact, when it isn't.

     Some do.. just as some fans do the exact opposite.  When possible I try to stick to facts.. when not I try to use phrases like "I believe" or "In my opinion".  Is that always the case?  No... no one is perfect, but the attempt should be to stick to facts when possible and to understand that in the absence of facts.. all opinions are valid.  Whether they really like something.. or really hate it.

     

    Edit to add:

     

    There seems to be a false assumption that to post you need to remain objective.  Again.. this is a discussion forum for opinions.. and all will be subjective.   Someone with very strong negative opinions is just as valid a poster as someone with lukewarm positive feelings.. or very strong positive feeling.. or lukewarm negative feelings.. or anything in between. 

     

    If you wish a highly moderated and censored discussion between active subscribers there is a perfect place in the official forums.  This is not such a place.   This is a place for actual discussion and banter.. positive AND negative.

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  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730

    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    Originally posted by Rohn

     

     

    Indeed, it does cut both ways.  A claim isn't a fact until disproven with fact.  It's still just a claim, until they prove it with some form of actual evidence.

    That's what the haters so often forget, as they jump on board with any claim that might appear negative.  No proof really required, if it goes along with their preconceived notion - they treat the claim as fact, when it isn't.

     Some do.. just as some fans do the exact opposite.  When possible I try to stick to facts.. when not I try to use phrases like "I believe" or "In my opinion".  Is that always the case?  No... no one is perfect, but the attempt should be to stick to facts when possible and to understand that in the absence of facts.. all opinions are valid.  Whether they really like something.. or really hate it.

     

    Edit to add:

     

    There seems to be a false assumption that to post you need to remain objective.  Again.. this is a discussion forum for opinions.. and all will be subjective.   Someone with very strong negative opinions is just as valid a poster as someone with lukewarm positive feelings.. or very strong positive feeling.. or lukewarm negative feelings.. or anything in between. 

     

    If you wish a highly moderated and censored discussion between active subscribers there is a perfect place in the official forums.  This is not such a place.   This is a place for actual discussion and banter.. positive AND negative.

     

    Hah, now that's funny.

    The MMORPG.com forums are a place for actual discussion and banter, in about the same way The Jerry Springer Show is a great place for serious social commentary and introspection.

    It's a sideshow, designed to get web hits for advertising money.  It is also moderated, and censored, in ways that support that objective.

    You forgot to mention one thing about the official forums: it's one place you'll also get informed discussion.  The people posting there aren't required to dig through forums of a game they don't play, only to regurgitate the thoughts of others.

    There's a difference between opinion, and informed opinion.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,724

    Originally posted by Rohn

    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

     

     Some do.. just as some fans do the exact opposite.  When possible I try to stick to facts.. when not I try to use phrases like "I believe" or "In my opinion".  Is that always the case?  No... no one is perfect, but the attempt should be to stick to facts when possible and to understand that in the absence of facts.. all opinions are valid.  Whether they really like something.. or really hate it.

     

    Edit to add:

     

    There seems to be a false assumption that to post you need to remain objective.  Again.. this is a discussion forum for opinions.. and all will be subjective.   Someone with very strong negative opinions is just as valid a poster as someone with lukewarm positive feelings.. or very strong positive feeling.. or lukewarm negative feelings.. or anything in between. 

     

    If you wish a highly moderated and censored discussion between active subscribers there is a perfect place in the official forums.  This is not such a place.   This is a place for actual discussion and banter.. positive AND negative.

     

    Hah, now that's funny.

    The MMORPG.com forums are a place for actual discussion and banter, in about the same way The Jerry Springer Show is a great place for serious social commentary and introspection.

    It's a sideshow, designed to get web hits for advertising money.  It is also moderated, and censored, in ways that support that objective.

    You forgot to mention one thing about the official forums: it's one place you'll also get informed discussion.  The people posting there aren't required to dig through forums of a game they don't play, only to regurgitate the thoughts of others.

    There's a difference between opinion, and informed opinion.

     I'm curious.  Your post above indicates a disdain for this website and the forums... yet you continue to visit it and post here.  Is this not similar to those who you accuse of disliking Mortal Online yet continuing to follow it?

     

    I certainly think it is your right to do so and support your continued contributions to our discussions.  It would be boring without fans such as yourself here to banter with.  It's all about having fun after all!  image

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  • AzdulAzdul Member UncommonPosts: 440

    Originally posted by Rohn

    The MMORPG.com forums are a place for actual discussion and banter, in about the same way The Jerry Springer Show is a great place for serious social commentary and introspection.

    It's a sideshow, designed to get web hits for advertising money.  It is also moderated, and censored, in ways that support that objective.

    You forgot to mention one thing about the official forums: it's one place you'll also get informed discussion. 

    Official forums are maintained to benefit one particular developer, just like MMORPG forums are maintained to get advertising money. So MMORPG doesn't care about positive image of one particular MMO.

    Number of trolls is pretty comparable on both forums. Official forums allow for "go back to WoW" posts, "witty" one liners criticizing other games, but not for "this game sucks compared to WoW".

    Are trolls harmful ? Not really. No matter how badly Mortal is bashed, 99% of people who clicked "Mortal Online" on MMORPG.com will make their own opinion as soon as free trial is available.

  • ChirugaiChirugai Member UncommonPosts: 304

    This thread has gone far off topic and will be closed. Please refrain from personally attacking and baiting other users. Thank you. 

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