Upon reading the title to yuor thread my initial thought was <rolls eyes> "give me a break". but I was surprised to see you touched on a topic I broached in a poll a few months back (I was roasted to no end for suggesting such) which is would the Star Wars franchise have been better off if Lucas had stepped back and not made himself such a central figure in what would happen from then on. While I largely disagree with the standard opinion that the prequels sucked I can say many of the novels I read would have been in my opinion much better suited for the big screen than the prequels were and that by and large Lucas was doing a disservice to the franchise that he created. I don't expect TOR to make all right in the Star Wars universe but I do think it's a step in the right direction (as long as Lucas keeps out of it and doesn't force the Ewoks and such on us).
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I hope in some small way SWTOR can help restore the genre.
Yeah with those cartoony graphics it will surely target to the adult audience.
Sadly I agree, not only about the graphics but also the general "feel" of what we have seen of the MMO appears to be more attuned to the kiddy prequels. I'm just hoping im wrong and the Clone Wars MMO gives Bioware a little more freedom to give us a more adult feel to their game.
I wouldn't wager on that though lol.
The Gameworld and char graphics have a lot of feel and quality to them. The graphics will not be changing so if you don't like then well your loss. This product is o a different level to the CloneWars F2P effort.....
The game will be a great success so its a shame for all you haters....
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Firstly this thread is about star wars as a marketable product rather than SWTOR specifically.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
I hope in some small way SWTOR can help restore the genre.
There shortend that huge wall of useless text to something a litte more palitable.
First this is a game forum, I could care less what others think about lucas and how the stories went. Ioved all the star wars films. They were all good. If you want to gripe about the movies there are other forums elsewhere for that.
Second yes I am hoping this will be a good game. Way to many star wars games have been junk over the years.
I'm not sure how many times it has to be said but the main reason games like SWTOR use "Cartoony" graphics as you call them, is to reduce gameplay lag. It would shut out a lot of gamers with low-end PC's if the system requirements were bumped up to support only high-res graphics. In order to make a game more playable to more types of PC's, devs have to make compromises somewhere.
Or it could be cartoony because its meant to be more appealing to 12 year olds.. the average pc these days is capable of much better graphics than when WoW was first released, so that particular argument.. doesnt really hold much water. imo, the graphics will be one of the critical points, but.. it may be possible to overlook it if the gameplay is good enough.. havent seen anything to indicate this so far.. so.. i'll wait and see how it looks 6 months after release.. maybe.. Kotor was less than inspiring so i dont really have a lot of hope for this one.
I love how when people talk about MMO's and graphics, everyone always assumes its about their own personal computer hardware. It's not just about personal computers, its about Internet, and servers as well. Yes computers have made leaps when it comes to processor power and graphical ability, but unfortunately internet speeds have kind of hit a wall, DSL and cable, which are available in most areas are still the same speed as they were 10yrs ago, and as games have gotten more complex and expansive in graphics and scope it becomes less feasible to use high end graphics due to bandwidth.
I'm not sure how many times it has to be said but the main reason games like SWTOR use "Cartoony" graphics as you call them, is to reduce gameplay lag. It would shut out a lot of gamers with low-end PC's if the system requirements were bumped up to support only high-res graphics. In order to make a game more playable to more types of PC's, devs have to make compromises somewhere.
You were once the little boy in that theatre as you stated. I was the little boy in 1999....We both had a great expirience.
Times change. I thoroughly enjoyed the new movies as I did with the old movies. It all depends on timing I guess. I agree with you though, Starwars does need a new spark. I thought The Force Unleashed would do it. Un fortunately it only sparked a small percentage of minds.
I guess we'll wait and see
I was also born in 1977, but I have enjoyed all 6 of the Star Wars movies. I loved SWG until the NGE and loved the KOTOR games. I guess I'm just not a hardcore enough fan to be all angry Lucas for making episodes 1, 2 and 3. To me, they were right in line with the feel of 4, 5 and 6. Aside from Jar Jar needing a lightsaber to the grill, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.
*pauses to look around quickly*
Episode 3 is my favorite of the 6!
*bolts out of the room*
Hahaha ya saying Part 3 of SW is your favorite to some people is like saying you voted for McCain lol. I would ask you though to consider how much of your consideration is the jaw dropping graphics and light sabres battles which really have nothing to do with the "story". I can watch 1-3 and enjoy then equally or maybe more with my TV on mute.
I wouldnt advise bringing political choices into this eh
I'm not sure how many times it has to be said but the main reason games like SWTOR use "Cartoony" graphics as you call them, is to reduce gameplay lag. It would shut out a lot of gamers with low-end PC's if the system requirements were bumped up to support only high-res graphics. In order to make a game more playable to more types of PC's, devs have to make compromises somewhere.
Thats such a load of crap.
Get a better computer.
Really? So you think MMO's should use graphics on a level of say, Crysis? Wonder what affect that would have? Think everyone who wants to play would run out and buy a new gaming rig? Or do you think they would just find a game they could run? Bioware isnt building this game in hopes of attracting a couple of hundred players.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Firstly this thread is about star wars as a marketable product rather than SWTOR specifically.
To premise my post I was born in 1977 along with the inception of star wars (A New Hope). I was still a young boy when part 5 and 6 came out in theatres but I still to this day remember watching those movies in the theatre. Even at an extremely young age I instantly became a star wars fan. For the first 10 years of my life countless hours of my time was spent thinking about; dreaming about; and playing with my endless supply of star wars toys. Interestingly George Lucas showed incredible foresight to fully retain the marketing rights at the expense of being remunerated directly from the movies. This made his later decisions about the franchise even more confusing.
As time went on and the first 3 movies had long fallen from the spotlight of popular culture I remained true to the franchise. Through high school and even university I was an avid reader of any and all books written about the star wars universe.
I remember that the writers of much of the starwars literature in the late 1990’s were darker and had many more “grey” characters than the initial trilogy. This was exactly the type of growth and transformation that kept my interest in the series. As I grew the genre grew with me although always staying true to the basic tenants of the story; which imo are more compelling as a metaphor for the truth of the human sprit than any Greek epic or even religious tome.
Fast-forward to May 19th1999; me and most of the 20-35yr old generation of North American males stood in line at theatres with anticipation and energy that was truly astonishing. The starwars universe that had been such a large part of so many of our childhoods had finally come back to life.
Almost incomprehensibly George Lucas took the most prolific franchise for the most broad based and lucrative target market at the time and slapped us in the face. The prequel movies completed discounted there loyal and long standing market in favour of 7-12yr old boys of which at the time couldn’t have a similar investment or loyalty to the genre.
While the prequel movies did extremely well in theatre, I would wager it was the true target market fuelled the box office numbers, and not the young boys Lucas apparently crafted the movies for. I think many of us out of nothing more than nostalgia were compelled to see all prequel movies in the theatre.
In many ways the current Star Wars Genre could be so much more had Lucas stuck with his initial fan base. While starwars has millions of loyal fans I truly believe its still only a shadow of what it could have been.
Bottom line is George Lucas’s decision to ignore his target market in the prequels is best described by Obi-Wan Kenobi speaking about Alderon in A New Hope:
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
I hope in some small way SWTOR can help restore the genre.
As much as a fan as you claim to be you seem to have forgotten that Lucas always targetted young boys with his movies and merchandising. Perhpas you missed it, but The Return of the Jedi was supposed to take place on the Wookie homeworld, with epic battles between those giant powerful beasts and The Empire. It was changed to be more kid friendly with the creation of the child like Ewoks and their silly antics as they tried to take down a foe much more powerful then themselves. "Hey let's try and trip this giant mechanical walker with a rope and us Ewoks holding on to it..... oh no we're being dragged by it, aren't we silly".
George Lucas has always been about merchandising. Merchandising sells best when kids are bothering their parents for a star wars toy, lunch box, and notebooks. He's always been a sell out, you should have known that being an initial fan of the series.
Just so you're not shocked by it later, the clone wars was made to target kids as well, hope you were sitting down when you read that.
I'm not sure how many times it has to be said but the main reason games like SWTOR use "Cartoony" graphics as you call them, is to reduce gameplay lag. It would shut out a lot of gamers with low-end PC's if the system requirements were bumped up to support only high-res graphics. In order to make a game more playable to more types of PC's, devs have to make compromises somewhere.
Thats such a load of crap.
Get a better computer.
We'll see how many copies your multi-million dollar MMO game will sell with that philosophy.
I'm not sure how many times it has to be said but the main reason games like SWTOR use "Cartoony" graphics as you call them, is to reduce gameplay lag. It would shut out a lot of gamers with low-end PC's if the system requirements were bumped up to support only high-res graphics. In order to make a game more playable to more types of PC's, devs have to make compromises somewhere.
Thats such a load of crap.
Get a better computer.
We'll see how many copies your multi-million dollar MMO game will sell with that philosophy.
I would actually pay a premium for a crysis graphic level mmo. But I think it's a bit ignorant to fault the world for not having enough money to afford a top line pc.
I hope in some small way SWTOR can help restore the genre.
Yeah with those cartoony graphics it will surely target to the adult audience.
What does one have to do with the other? Games are either fun because of their internal dynamics, or they aren't. Graphics are simply eye candy. While they add to the over all package, they are simply an element. The idea that "adults" do not like "cartoony graphics" would be news to Blizzard... Whose World of Warcraft is by far and away the most popular and profitable western MMO so far.
I'm not sure how many times it has to be said but the main reason games like SWTOR use "Cartoony" graphics as you call them, is to reduce gameplay lag. It would shut out a lot of gamers with low-end PC's if the system requirements were bumped up to support only high-res graphics. In order to make a game more playable to more types of PC's, devs have to make compromises somewhere.
Thats such a load of crap.
Get a better computer.
Thats more than a bit short sighted. Given the global economic down turn, many, many people simply can't justify spending that type of money right now.
That is one of the reasons that Blizzard picked the graphics style that they did. WoW will run on a WIDE selection of the established hardware base. TOR's graphics style was picked for much the same reason I suspect. Given that these titles cost millions and millions to create, pointing them at the largest possible audience makes a great deal of sense.
As much as a fan as you claim to be you seem to have forgotten that Lucas always targetted young boys with his movies and merchandising. Perhpas you missed it, but The Return of the Jedi was supposed to take place on the Wookie homeworld, with epic battles between those giant powerful beasts and The Empire. It was changed to be more kid friendly with the creation of the child like Ewoks and their silly antics as they tried to take down a foe much more powerful then themselves. "Hey let's try and trip this giant mechanical walker with a rope and us Ewoks holding on to it..... oh no we're being dragged by it, aren't we silly".
George Lucas has always been about merchandising. Merchandising sells best when kids are bothering their parents for a star wars toy, lunch box, and notebooks. He's always been a sell out, you should have known that being an initial fan of the series.
Just so you're not shocked by it later, the clone wars was made to target kids as well, hope you were sitting down when you read that.
Just as Yogurt said. "Moichandising, moichandising, where the real money from the movie is made. Spaceballs the T-shirt, Spaceballs the Coloring Book, Spaceballs the Lunch box, Spaceballs the Breakfast Cereal, Spaceballs the Flame Thrower."
Thought Spaceballs was just funny? Nope. It tells the truth.
Don't expect a lot of adult oriented themes in SWTOR, I can't see Bioware/EA targeting the "M" crowd, they're after the broadest player base possible and will design their game to appeal to the general public.
Oh, you mean like revenge killings and torturing a person for information? Which all happens within the first couple of levels. Yeah, that's kiddy shit right there totally not adult oriented at all.
I sure won't be getting this game after the play footage that came out of E3, they've not doing anything new in regards to the MMO formula, its still the healer, tank etc setup and get in to a raid. The game will end up like most other like it, Looking for groups will be an elitist affair for picking groups. I was really disappointed they went down this route for combat, even though the combat is sped up a little and has the weapon contact, which MXO already done that for combat, or did. They've really not gone outside the box to do a new Star Wars MMO with a new MMO formula that's fresh in regards to how players play together. I wish they just made a Part 3 of the single player games and not gone all out to get 12 year old subs and forget about the rest turning it in to a MMO. I just can't ever face another healer, tank etc type MMO, its the same old with different skins and fx.
Don't expect a lot of adult oriented themes in SWTOR, I can't see Bioware/EA targeting the "M" crowd, they're after the broadest player base possible and will design their game to appeal to the general public.
Oh, you mean like revenge killings and torturing a person for information? Which all happens within the first couple of levels. Yeah, that's kiddy shit right there totally not adult oriented at all.
Pbbtt... here in the states that stuff is rated PG, what earns it an M rating is if the killings are very graphic or...perish the thought, there is any T & A or simulated sex in the game.
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You were once the little boy in that theatre as you stated. I was the little boy in 1999....We both had a great expirience.
Times change. I thoroughly enjoyed the new movies as I did with the old movies. It all depends on timing I guess. I agree with you though, Starwars does need a new spark. I thought The Force Unleashed would do it. Un fortunately it only sparked a small percentage of minds.
I guess we'll wait and see
I was also born in 1977, but I have enjoyed all 6 of the Star Wars movies. I loved SWG until the NGE and loved the KOTOR games. I guess I'm just not a hardcore enough fan to be all angry Lucas for making episodes 1, 2 and 3. To me, they were right in line with the feel of 4, 5 and 6. Aside from Jar Jar needing a lightsaber to the grill, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.
*pauses to look around quickly*
Episode 3 is my favorite of the 6!
*bolts out of the room*
Hahaha ya saying Part 3 of SW is your favorite to some people is like saying you voted for McCain lol. I would ask you though to consider how much of your consideration is the jaw dropping graphics and light sabres battles which really have nothing to do with the "story". I can watch 1-3 and enjoy then equally or maybe more with my TV on mute.
I'm sorry this I just don't agree with and I think the op touched on something that rings true. The older Star Wars fans were just pissed so they refused to like the prequels. I thought the first three were no more juvenile nor more well written. the difference no one seems to want to remember is most of us were basically kids or big kids at heart (for those of you who could have rolled solo to the first three hehe) when the first three came out, why forsake the audience you intended the films for? Children, not Tom,Joe,Dick, Kris and the other millions of now old men out there who were going to go and see the prequels expecting something new.
Do you really believe that the original star wars was not driven by it's special effects too, yes they look bad now but that's because the industry is so advanced the story for neither trilogy is any more campy than the other and I can just as easily watch the original trilogy with the tv on mute too. Actually I'd be more interested in watching the prequel with the sound on because I know the first three like the back of my hand and the prequel with all it's questions that need to be answered is still a bit alien to me so I often do find myself watching to find answers to questions I may have wondered about during the originals run.
I think the best way to sum up my feelings about the way the prequels were recieved is like "The decision" by Lebron James, most of us were so hurt by being dumped we don't even bother to wonder if the "logic" we try to place behind our hurt makes any sense or not we just vent like a scorned lover.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I hope in some small way SWTOR can help restore the genre.
Yeah with those cartoony graphics it will surely target to the adult audience.
plenty of adults love Kotor+kotor 2 and they had cartoony graphics, looked way worse than this game.
Originally posted by Wicoa
The new movies were a hardcore disney wannabe that were designed to attract the smallest mind aka children the plot was drawn out for the dumb when most with 2 brain cells worked out who the bad guy was within a small amount of time.
The original movies were dark and had an edge to them. The latest star trek movie was more like the old star wars than the new star wars movies.
I don't think they were trying to hide who the bad guy was, what made you think they were? anyone whos ever seen star wars knew right away who it was, as was intended considering they call him by his name which is a dead givaway in the first movie.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
I hope in some small way SWTOR can help restore the genre.
Yeah with those cartoony graphics it will surely target to the adult audience.
plenty of adults love Kotor+kotor 2 and they had cartoony graphics, looked way worse than this game.
The majority like this kind of art style. And don't pull WoW is for kiddies considering out of its 11mil subs the majority of players are over the age of 20.
I'm not sure how many times it has to be said but the main reason games like SWTOR use "Cartoony" graphics as you call them, is to reduce gameplay lag. It would shut out a lot of gamers with low-end PC's if the system requirements were bumped up to support only high-res graphics. In order to make a game more playable to more types of PC's, devs have to make compromises somewhere.
Thats such a load of crap.
Get a better computer.
How about you grow up, get a job, get a family, get a mortgage, pay insurance premiums, student loans, college funds, and still try to pursue hobbies that are easily affordable when mommy and daddy are buying you a bleeding edge alienware every year or else you'll go all emo on them and start cutting. You sound like the quintessential child who has no concept of the typical financial consideration that adults have to make when pursuing hobbies. If it makes you feel like a better person that you aren't saddled with *only 8GB ram* or only a *9600 GeForce*, please, knock yourself out. It makes me feel like a better person that my kids are well fed, well clothed, are able to go to good schools, won't have to worry about paying for college, won't have to worry about our cars breaking down and don't have to worry about living in a nice house in a nice neighborhood.
One would assume that adults would be capable of looking past graphics in an mmo and look more closely at gameplay than anything else. Plenty of adult gamers play and love games like TF2, Kingdom Hearts, WoW, Mario, etc... despite the "cartoony" graphics. Besides, when I was an 8 year old, I wanted nothing to do with games with "cartoony" graphics because playing the more realistic looking games (baldur's gate etc) made me feel like an adult. If anything, cartoon graphics are nothing but a deterrent for young gamers who don't look past visual aspects of games.
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Come on now. If you haven't watched it in the past 5 years give it a whirl. You will laugh until you stop. I do look forward to the remake though.
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Upon reading the title to yuor thread my initial thought was <rolls eyes> "give me a break". but I was surprised to see you touched on a topic I broached in a poll a few months back (I was roasted to no end for suggesting such) which is would the Star Wars franchise have been better off if Lucas had stepped back and not made himself such a central figure in what would happen from then on. While I largely disagree with the standard opinion that the prequels sucked I can say many of the novels I read would have been in my opinion much better suited for the big screen than the prequels were and that by and large Lucas was doing a disservice to the franchise that he created. I don't expect TOR to make all right in the Star Wars universe but I do think it's a step in the right direction (as long as Lucas keeps out of it and doesn't force the Ewoks and such on us).
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
The Gameworld and char graphics have a lot of feel and quality to them. The graphics will not be changing so if you don't like then well your loss. This product is o a different level to the CloneWars F2P effort.....
The game will be a great success so its a shame for all you haters....
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
There shortend that huge wall of useless text to something a litte more palitable.
First this is a game forum, I could care less what others think about lucas and how the stories went. Ioved all the star wars films. They were all good. If you want to gripe about the movies there are other forums elsewhere for that.
Second yes I am hoping this will be a good game. Way to many star wars games have been junk over the years.
I love how when people talk about MMO's and graphics, everyone always assumes its about their own personal computer hardware. It's not just about personal computers, its about Internet, and servers as well. Yes computers have made leaps when it comes to processor power and graphical ability, but unfortunately internet speeds have kind of hit a wall, DSL and cable, which are available in most areas are still the same speed as they were 10yrs ago, and as games have gotten more complex and expansive in graphics and scope it becomes less feasible to use high end graphics due to bandwidth.
Thats such a load of crap.
Get a better computer.
I wouldnt advise bringing political choices into this eh
Star Wars was always kid's entertainment. At least that's what George Lucas has said.
Kids made the original films a success. Yes, adults liked them, but it's the kids (who have grown up) who still obsess over it today.
Really? So you think MMO's should use graphics on a level of say, Crysis? Wonder what affect that would have? Think everyone who wants to play would run out and buy a new gaming rig? Or do you think they would just find a game they could run? Bioware isnt building this game in hopes of attracting a couple of hundred players.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
As much as a fan as you claim to be you seem to have forgotten that Lucas always targetted young boys with his movies and merchandising. Perhpas you missed it, but The Return of the Jedi was supposed to take place on the Wookie homeworld, with epic battles between those giant powerful beasts and The Empire. It was changed to be more kid friendly with the creation of the child like Ewoks and their silly antics as they tried to take down a foe much more powerful then themselves. "Hey let's try and trip this giant mechanical walker with a rope and us Ewoks holding on to it..... oh no we're being dragged by it, aren't we silly".
George Lucas has always been about merchandising. Merchandising sells best when kids are bothering their parents for a star wars toy, lunch box, and notebooks. He's always been a sell out, you should have known that being an initial fan of the series.
Just so you're not shocked by it later, the clone wars was made to target kids as well, hope you were sitting down when you read that.
We'll see how many copies your multi-million dollar MMO game will sell with that philosophy.
I would actually pay a premium for a crysis graphic level mmo. But I think it's a bit ignorant to fault the world for not having enough money to afford a top line pc.
What does one have to do with the other? Games are either fun because of their internal dynamics, or they aren't. Graphics are simply eye candy. While they add to the over all package, they are simply an element. The idea that "adults" do not like "cartoony graphics" would be news to Blizzard... Whose World of Warcraft is by far and away the most popular and profitable western MMO so far.
Thats more than a bit short sighted. Given the global economic down turn, many, many people simply can't justify spending that type of money right now.
That is one of the reasons that Blizzard picked the graphics style that they did. WoW will run on a WIDE selection of the established hardware base. TOR's graphics style was picked for much the same reason I suspect. Given that these titles cost millions and millions to create, pointing them at the largest possible audience makes a great deal of sense.
Just as Yogurt said. "Moichandising, moichandising, where the real money from the movie is made. Spaceballs the T-shirt, Spaceballs the Coloring Book, Spaceballs the Lunch box, Spaceballs the Breakfast Cereal, Spaceballs the Flame Thrower."
Thought Spaceballs was just funny? Nope. It tells the truth.
Oh, you mean like revenge killings and torturing a person for information? Which all happens within the first couple of levels. Yeah, that's kiddy shit right there totally not adult oriented at all.
I sure won't be getting this game after the play footage that came out of E3, they've not doing anything new in regards to the MMO formula, its still the healer, tank etc setup and get in to a raid. The game will end up like most other like it, Looking for groups will be an elitist affair for picking groups. I was really disappointed they went down this route for combat, even though the combat is sped up a little and has the weapon contact, which MXO already done that for combat, or did. They've really not gone outside the box to do a new Star Wars MMO with a new MMO formula that's fresh in regards to how players play together. I wish they just made a Part 3 of the single player games and not gone all out to get 12 year old subs and forget about the rest turning it in to a MMO. I just can't ever face another healer, tank etc type MMO, its the same old with different skins and fx.
Pbbtt... here in the states that stuff is rated PG, what earns it an M rating is if the killings are very graphic or...perish the thought, there is any T & A or simulated sex in the game.
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I'm sorry this I just don't agree with and I think the op touched on something that rings true. The older Star Wars fans were just pissed so they refused to like the prequels. I thought the first three were no more juvenile nor more well written. the difference no one seems to want to remember is most of us were basically kids or big kids at heart (for those of you who could have rolled solo to the first three hehe) when the first three came out, why forsake the audience you intended the films for? Children, not Tom,Joe,Dick, Kris and the other millions of now old men out there who were going to go and see the prequels expecting something new.
Do you really believe that the original star wars was not driven by it's special effects too, yes they look bad now but that's because the industry is so advanced the story for neither trilogy is any more campy than the other and I can just as easily watch the original trilogy with the tv on mute too. Actually I'd be more interested in watching the prequel with the sound on because I know the first three like the back of my hand and the prequel with all it's questions that need to be answered is still a bit alien to me so I often do find myself watching to find answers to questions I may have wondered about during the originals run.
I think the best way to sum up my feelings about the way the prequels were recieved is like "The decision" by Lebron James, most of us were so hurt by being dumped we don't even bother to wonder if the "logic" we try to place behind our hurt makes any sense or not we just vent like a scorned lover.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Am I the only one that liked New Coke?
OMG /slap
We all know number 5 is the best :-)
plenty of adults love Kotor+kotor 2 and they had cartoony graphics, looked way worse than this game.
I don't think they were trying to hide who the bad guy was, what made you think they were? anyone whos ever seen star wars knew right away who it was, as was intended considering they call him by his name which is a dead givaway in the first movie.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
The majority like this kind of art style. And don't pull WoW is for kiddies considering out of its 11mil subs the majority of players are over the age of 20.
How about you grow up, get a job, get a family, get a mortgage, pay insurance premiums, student loans, college funds, and still try to pursue hobbies that are easily affordable when mommy and daddy are buying you a bleeding edge alienware every year or else you'll go all emo on them and start cutting. You sound like the quintessential child who has no concept of the typical financial consideration that adults have to make when pursuing hobbies. If it makes you feel like a better person that you aren't saddled with *only 8GB ram* or only a *9600 GeForce*, please, knock yourself out. It makes me feel like a better person that my kids are well fed, well clothed, are able to go to good schools, won't have to worry about paying for college, won't have to worry about our cars breaking down and don't have to worry about living in a nice house in a nice neighborhood.
TLDR: Grow up
One would assume that adults would be capable of looking past graphics in an mmo and look more closely at gameplay than anything else. Plenty of adult gamers play and love games like TF2, Kingdom Hearts, WoW, Mario, etc... despite the "cartoony" graphics. Besides, when I was an 8 year old, I wanted nothing to do with games with "cartoony" graphics because playing the more realistic looking games (baldur's gate etc) made me feel like an adult. If anything, cartoon graphics are nothing but a deterrent for young gamers who don't look past visual aspects of games.