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Who would win in a fight: Orc shaman or human paladin
gargantroo
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I think the human paladin, becaues even though the orc shaman is stronger and better, alliance cant fight alone and so it's rhetorical to even say "human paladin" when what I mean is group of 60 alliance patrolling hillsbrad for level 20 horde to kill to raise their self esteem.
No such thing as an alliance that isnt PKing lowbies in a group.
Not to mention, they always fight people at least 10 levels lower than them, because they always flee Tarren Mills when the big level 60 tauren warrior comes out.
i play on australian servers because racism is acceptable there
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I beg to differ on both counts:
1) Paladins have far less abilities to add to the in battle than a Shaman. I play a lvl 57 Paladin and I cannot attempt to kill anything unless he/she is dumb enough to sit there and LET me beat on them.
2) I myself use to fool myself into believing that all Horde were Baby-eating, newbie gankin, low-life, bottom-feeding pond scum(well you get the idea...heh) that had nothing better to do than invade Westfalls or Redridge and gank lowbies. They also seemed to only attack when they outnumber(outpower) you. Low and behold I made a horde character on Daggerspine to find that the Alliance does the EXACT same thing to them. My conclusion....there are asshats where ever you go, the same holds true in RL.
**Please note that if you were just being sarcastic about what you said disregard the above post. Heh
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Hm... maybe I should play alliance then so that I can be more open-minded. I was led to believe that alliance were a bunch of lowbie-killing, night elf female making fanboy scum. But I mean, they dance over my corpse like I was actually trying to fihgt a group of 5 level 60s and failed miserably... no.. I just try to finish off the kill before they kill me so I can get it at least added to my quest log
I'm an Orc Shaman and I can kill a Human Paladin my level. I'll try to get a video on fraps if I see a paladin next time.
Wouldn't be great if it all depended on the skill of the player besides this paper, rock scissors crap. But that would be too much to ask Blizzard to do, as they are so busy cashing in on the koolaid crowd, opening up new WoW offices around the world to think about the actual health of the game itself.
Human for sure..
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Its funny how the strange lothing of the oposite faction in MMO's work, people really tend to think the other side are really sad 12 year olds that get beat in school and have to take their anger out in a game, when really they are both just the same. On an old game i used to play i was in a clan on a server there which happened to be one of the biggest there and owned alot of land etc etc. Well they were a good bunch of people but i quit that game after a number of months while some of my friends carried on playing. The servers on this game merged after and the clan i was in ended up fighting the clan my friends were in. Well i had not talked to my friends for abit about the game but when i did (about 2 or 3 months after i quit) it was funny to see how much they personally hated my old clan which i knew were ok. Just goes to show how MMO's can really fool you hating people.
The Shaman cant cast 2 immune shields 1 full health spell and cant stun either.. Here is a tip (Comming from a former 60 Shaman -Monster- on Illidan) I faced many a ALliance character and *gasp* had a few beat me as well... If you actually get down off your horse and dont try to run from me and fight me you might actually win *gasp* cause your not going to get away if you dont DOH!...
Use the skills Blizzard gave ya... If your a caster use your off hand wpn(wand) or a low lvl spell to kill there 1 HIT KILL TOTEMS... Then Fear, root, Sheep, slow, what ever you can do and sit back and curse them or nuke them FTW....When they purge you cast your buffs that you can right back agian.. Will will run out of mana before you do... TRUST ME I KNOW....
If your a rogue having problems killing a Shaman, uninstall cause you suck.. Rogues should not have problems killing anything.. STUN LOCK FTW!!!!
If your a Warrior Slows, stance dancing, and wpn swtiching FTW.. Keep them close and switch off in between your damage set (IE 2h or dual wield and 1h and shield between shocks.) AND FFS KILL THE 1 HIT GROUNDING TOTEM it has a delay time and uses MANA something we(Shamans) gobble up...When you see us use our Elemental mastery... Um shield block???!!!??? Another thing most shamans use WF.... Um disarm?
If your a Pally... while are you loosing agian? Is your Cleanse not letting you get close enough? even though its a instant cast....Is your 50 yard stun not working when you see them try to get away or heal? Is it the fact that your 20 lives are not enough and you need 21....Or maybe your retarded and not investing in something that allows you to get a speed boots (IE rocket boots, Speed potion)....Pehaps you should do a search for things that can help ya Keep the runners close.. Like that nice little net that Engys get or something that I used SLUMBER DUST or other things avialible to you in WOW... Wpn switching to a hard hitting 2h in between shocks wont hurt either since you can use Plate.....
When I was in beta and I first started on my server I was a Alliance Rogue, Hunter, and Druid... I had no problem with Shamans or anyother class for that matter... But the same holds true when I WAS a Shaman (as of 2 days ago)... Perhaps its cause I use my head and dont suck at PVP... hmm yeah thats probably what it is.
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human i think
Well of course it will be hard for any class to defeat any other class if they are outnumbered .
However,1V1 the shaman should have no trouble beating the paladin .Heck as an enhancement shaman i even rarely use my spells against a paladin just my trusty 2hander with windfury(plus i am talented in windfury) and purge with the occasional totems at times.
I easily outmelee him and when he goes invulnerable i just wait and do him again since i spent almost no mana at all at this point.
Add to fact i am also a master alchemist
Don't recall ever losing to a paladin even when he jumps me 1v1.Of course if he got a friend thats a different story.
However,priest and warlocks are a nightmare for a shaman.
Seems so many people are so bothered about side specific classes which are the shaman or pally and ignore the truely overpowered class which is the priest since both side has it.
A priest is so wanted in pve groups,of course amazing in pvp group and probably the best class in 1v1.
HEALING is overpowered in WoW. Claases that can heal have huge advantage, which leads the master healer (Priest) very powerful as the previous poster said. IMO healing in general should take a lot more mana than it does and/or healing classes should never have good DPS which is the case for the shaman and the shadow priest.
But, since I no longer play the game, who cares ?!
Translation: Healing classes should do no damage and only serve as a healbots. Then my undead rouge can PWN everyone !111!one11!
why does this thread have nothing to do with the topic?
to be ontopic i say orc shaman since they are 40% resistant to stun/knockdown
Translation: Healing classes should do no damage and only serve as a healbots. Then my undead rouge can PWN everyone !111!one11!
Say what you want just dont tell me what I F* wrote, I know what I wrote.
Every MMORPG in the market have healers, ONLY MMORPG in the market that has healers with VERY HIGH DPS is WoW. This is a fact, not my opinion.
I'm pretty sure its not 40%... Much lower than that, people actually dont notice any difference playing an orc.
Also I was under the impression that stun was on a long cooldown timer.
You've just made a typical newbie moan about being owned by some skilled players and cired for a nerf to a certain classes.
If you had a bit of thought, you'd know that heals can't be changed in any significant way, use your brain once in a while and figure out why healing should stay the way it is. Some healing classes are powerful, they may need tweaking here and there, but saying that they should never have a high DPS is also a mistake. They are balanced, another riddle for you to guess why. After a bit of mental training maybe you will stop posting nonsense about class balance.
Also, I believe that Orc stun resistance is confirmed to be bugged and Blizzard is going to fix it soon.
You keep assuming things man instead of reading whatever people write. I am not complaining about anything, I no longer play the game. I dont care if they give a mage a I win button, I dont play MMORPGs to own everybody else, I do ROLEPLAY. Other reasons made me left the game, mostly technical, not balance.
My main was a troll shaman (just like in EQ) and yes at least until 45ish it was way too easy to PvE and duel (flame shocking constantly, walking backwards and meleeing was enough to beat most rogues). My shaman was much easier to level and PvP than my Warlock which IMO should be kings of PvE soloing and why not, 1v1 since they cannot do anything else anyway.
Lately I was playing a mage which was a lot more fun to play with than my Shaman, but he was a lot more difficult to level and duel than the shaman. Any resist (sheep) or a well placed stun when blink was on cooldown and I was a dead mage.
Am I a newbie ? Certainly, being an adult who works 40+ hours a week and being married I cannot spend that much time on a video game. Have I played enough MMORPGs in the past to understand certain classes in WoW are unbalanced ? I sure did.
How much time does people need to understand a F* video game I wonder.
What an interesting quotes in athread about dueling...
Yeah, right. So much for a person interested in RP,not in PvP.
But the point is, many people who play WoW care much about PvP and balance is imprtant thing and they've done much research about it having played a lot. Just as much as someone spends learning the lore or thinking about roleplaying and organising RP events.
Balance is sacred, one may say. When playing different classes victory can be achieved, the player's skill is important. Training skill provides entertainment so does winning a well played match between skilled players.
But back to the topic, Orc shaman vs Human paladin. Blizzard's intention was to make very race enjoyable and racial taits we supposed to add a flavor but not shift the balance. They've failed with Undead, but other racial traits are either average or just pure crap, but are balanced that way.
Shaman and priests while are the most powerful duelists, but only minor tweaks must be applied, and to only sigle things. Changing healing would completely destroy every PvE encounter from simlpe soloing mobs in the wilderness to the instances and PvE raids. Priests are also very fragile and despite being best healers and having good DPS, can be taken down. Only Undead rape them totally. Shaman have decent melee DPS, good nuking, average tanking and average healing. All in one but nothing the best, but their shocks hurt much.
When races are balanced, it comes down to classes itself which are fairly balanced and and are supposed to have a chance of winning and losing against equal amount of other classes. They offer different playstyle and it's easier to change class that race, since races offer both lore and apperance which attracts people more, even on PvP servers. Well, at least normal people, not minoirty of nerdish min-maxers and hardcore PvP d00ds.