They can't compete with WoW. . EQ2 never recovered after WoWs launch gradually losing customers. . Vangaurd was touted as a WoW killer but Vanguard was destroyed by WoW.
Vanguard was destroyed by not being technically playable...
And they didn't 'fire' anyone, as far as we know. There's a HUGE difference between laying employees off and firing them. Firing them implies there was misconduct on the employees parts that got them canned, which doesn't seem to be the case.
And yeah, these events have everything to do with WoW. Where's the damn eyeroll emoticon?
Vanguard was destroyed by not being technically playable...
And they didn't 'fire' anyone, as far as we know. There's a HUGE difference between laying employees off and firing them. Firing them implies there was misconduct on the employees parts that got them canned, which doesn't seem to be the case.
And yeah, these events have everything to do with WoW. Where's the damn eyeroll emoticon?
I would suggest layoffs bode darker things for the company.
It's a proven historical fact that beer saved humankind.
I have news for you my friend.. WoW had nothing to do with Vanguard.. If WoW was never around, Vanguard still would of been a failed attempt at being a mmorpg.. Lack of money, Lack of love and a Lack of true mmorpg players is what doomed Vanguard, as it did with many games since 2004.. I'll go back once again and use my McDonalds annology.. The number of premium steak houses hasn't increased in the last 20 years, however McDonalds keep growing.. This doesn't mean that McDonalds makes better meals then the 5 star steak house (as some fast food fans might want to believe).. It means that the desire for cheap quick satisfaction crowd grew.. I don't think I would call that a good thing, and it sure as hell isn't an improvement.. Hell in todays era we can also use Walmart as the example with McDonalds.. More and more people want inexpensive basics quickly.. Walmart and McDs fill that role.. Just because a Macys or a Lonestar closes it's door, doesnt' mean that Walmart and McD drove them out of business..
lol and the asshole Smedley who is responsible for the current mess $$$oe is can keep his job? Unbelievable fire this damn shareholders, PR guys and last but not least Smedley the devil.
Soe is no honour.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play." "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Don't give it much thought, he's the guy that has posted the same chart with the same arguments on these mmorpg.com forums dozens and dozens of times already. Really boring and tiresome, I suspect it's trolling reasons.
About Vanguard. The more I hear about the game like the really vast, seamless world and the diplomacy system, the more I think it's a shame that it didn't get the same development attention post-launch as other games as EQ2 got. I think it had the potential to be something awesome.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
And they didn't 'fire' anyone, as far as we know. There's a HUGE difference between laying employees off and firing them.
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lay off:
Fire, dismiss, terminate employment
Splitting hairs are we =d
Lay off means the person isn't needed anymore. Fired usually means the person screwed up in someway. Which means that no one will replace the people who got fired, since there isn't any need for that job-position anymore, so im guessing they are slicing down on EQ and Vanguard technicians?
These are the reasons why SoE is not doing well, and I would say it was quite a predictable outcome
Smedley as I always said many times, is not able to manage a company like SoE which is supposed to be the jewel of Sony crown.
He alone not only ruined a couple of decent MMOs, but alienated the majority of SoE player base and damaged SoE reputation with his non sense approach towards his customers "I do what I please, you keep paying" (in your dreams mate)
The Agency and DC Universe will end up exactly like CO and STO, they will sell lots of boxes but after 2 months nobody will play it.
SoE needs to design proper MMORPGs which provide SoE with long term subscription like EQ, not console games which don't provide a long term income.
Sony should hire someone from Blizzard or Bioware to lead SoE, how hard is to understand?
I am shocked it didn't happened yet.
Until Smedley remains at the helm of SoE, nothing is going to change.
I think unemployment benefits make certain distinctions between being laid off and fired. Also being fired precludes you from getting a good reference as opposed to being laid off.
Also Microsoft even Blizzard I think has laid off people of late. Well I feel sorry for the people who lose their jobs in this climate.
Cash Shops + Subscription NGE EQ2 mini-NGE Lack of vision (The Agency and DC Universe) Smedley (the main culcript) These are the reasons why SoE is not doing well, and I would say it was quite a predictable outcome
Smedley as I always said many times, is not able to manage a company like SoE which is supposed to be the jewel of Sony crown. He alone not only ruined a couple of decent MMOs, but alienated the majority of SoE player base and damaged SoE reputation with his non sense approach towards his customers "I do what I please, you keep paying" (in your dreams mate) The Agency and DC Universe will end up exactly like CO and STO, they will sell lots of boxes but after 2 months nobody will play it. SoE needs to design proper MMORPGs which provide SoE with long term subscription like EQ, not console games which don't provide a long term income. Sony should hire someone from Blizzard or Bioware to lead SoE, how hard is to understand? I am shocked it didn't happened yet. Until Smedley remains at the helm of SoE, nothing is going to change.
Wow hands down a perfect summary on the current mess that Soe is under Smedley. Guy managed to kill off a loyal playerbase and failed hard acquiring the crowd the mini-NGE of Eq2 was targeted for.
Soe as a whole needs a complete overhall -->firing Smedley and try to regain some reputation by making Everquest 3 as real successor not a walk in the park like Eq2 has become.
The companies reputation is damaged beyond god. No matter which forums you are searching its almost a clear bet you'll find some "it has the Soe logo so I wont buy it" posts. What really pisses me off is the fact that the layoffs, firings are never happen to the guys responsible for this bullshit.
fire Smedley, shareholders, investors that aren't listening and bring in guys with passion!
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play." "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
SOE makes one bad decision after another. They always do the opposite of the players wishes in the hopes of gaining more than they lose. It is beyond me how Smed still has a job because he is the most failed President that I can think of. Nothing he touches turns to gold but more like coal. SOE kills its games and not WOW.
SOE sure have a poor vision....going from being heavy on "quests with meaning" (HQ, signature and epic questlines), to quests only for xp, making it a solo quester MMO (sure the original game had some of those here and there as well), and from instances all having a purpose to instances being main focus and being all about gear grinding.
as for vanguard they putted alot of effort into making it an acceptable game, compared to when they released it....they didnt break it, they finished it to an acceptable level, without SOE vanguard would never have been on the market at all.
These are the reasons why SoE is not doing well, and I would say it was quite a predictable outcome
Smedley as I always said many times, is not able to manage a company like SoE which is supposed to be the jewel of Sony crown.
He alone not only ruined a couple of decent MMOs, but alienated the majority of SoE player base and damaged SoE reputation with his non sense approach towards his customers "I do what I please, you keep paying" (in your dreams mate)
The Agency and DC Universe will end up exactly like CO and STO, they will sell lots of boxes but after 2 months nobody will play it.
SoE needs to design proper MMORPGs which provide SoE with long term subscription like EQ, not console games which don't provide a long term income.
Sony should hire someone from Blizzard or Bioware to lead SoE, how hard is to understand?
I am shocked it didn't happened yet.
Until Smedley remains at the helm of SoE, nothing is going to change.
That is exactly what the issue is. Smedley stands out as a CEO who has driven his product into the ground. In most industries he would be long gone. He must have something on his boss, there is just no explanation why he is still around. SOE will be an also ran in this genre as long as Smedley is at the helm. He is just completely clueless when it comes to MMO development.
Are the mods asleep since this is still not on the news page?
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They can't compete with WoW.
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EQ2 never recovered after WoWs launch gradually losing customers.
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Vangaurd was touted as a WoW killer but Vanguard was destroyed by WoW.
Well shave my back and call me an elf! -- Oghren
Vanguard was destroyed by not being technically playable...
And they didn't 'fire' anyone, as far as we know. There's a HUGE difference between laying employees off and firing them. Firing them implies there was misconduct on the employees parts that got them canned, which doesn't seem to be the case.
And yeah, these events have everything to do with WoW. Where's the damn eyeroll emoticon?
According to a Facebook quiz, I'm a genius.
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lay off:
Fire, dismiss, terminate employment
Splitting hairs are we =d
I didnt know there was anyone left on the Vanguard team, lol.
lol
I would suggest layoffs bode darker things for the company.
It's a proven historical fact that beer saved humankind.
In order to lay off two Vanguard devs they had to transfer a dev from EQII, then lay him off.
Source?
WoW's launch was in November of 2004, almost 2005.
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Well shave my back and call me an elf! -- Oghren
Thats your source? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
I have news for you my friend.. WoW had nothing to do with Vanguard.. If WoW was never around, Vanguard still would of been a failed attempt at being a mmorpg.. Lack of money, Lack of love and a Lack of true mmorpg players is what doomed Vanguard, as it did with many games since 2004.. I'll go back once again and use my McDonalds annology.. The number of premium steak houses hasn't increased in the last 20 years, however McDonalds keep growing.. This doesn't mean that McDonalds makes better meals then the 5 star steak house (as some fast food fans might want to believe).. It means that the desire for cheap quick satisfaction crowd grew.. I don't think I would call that a good thing, and it sure as hell isn't an improvement.. Hell in todays era we can also use Walmart as the example with McDonalds.. More and more people want inexpensive basics quickly.. Walmart and McDs fill that role.. Just because a Macys or a Lonestar closes it's door, doesnt' mean that Walmart and McD drove them out of business..
To the poster above : Is wow cheaper then other mmorpgs?
Mhm.
Soe is no honour.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
i just got me station access again - can't be my fault i guess.
Don't give it much thought, he's the guy that has posted the same chart with the same arguments on these mmorpg.com forums dozens and dozens of times already. Really boring and tiresome, I suspect it's trolling reasons.
About Vanguard. The more I hear about the game like the really vast, seamless world and the diplomacy system, the more I think it's a shame that it didn't get the same development attention post-launch as other games as EQ2 got. I think it had the potential to be something awesome.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Lay off means the person isn't needed anymore. Fired usually means the person screwed up in someway. Which means that no one will replace the people who got fired, since there isn't any need for that job-position anymore, so im guessing they are slicing down on EQ and Vanguard technicians?
Cash Shops + Subscription
NGE
EQ2 mini-NGE
Lack of vision (The Agency and DC Universe)
Smedley (the main culcript)
These are the reasons why SoE is not doing well, and I would say it was quite a predictable outcome
Smedley as I always said many times, is not able to manage a company like SoE which is supposed to be the jewel of Sony crown.
He alone not only ruined a couple of decent MMOs, but alienated the majority of SoE player base and damaged SoE reputation with his non sense approach towards his customers "I do what I please, you keep paying" (in your dreams mate)
The Agency and DC Universe will end up exactly like CO and STO, they will sell lots of boxes but after 2 months nobody will play it.
SoE needs to design proper MMORPGs which provide SoE with long term subscription like EQ, not console games which don't provide a long term income.
Sony should hire someone from Blizzard or Bioware to lead SoE, how hard is to understand?
I am shocked it didn't happened yet.
Until Smedley remains at the helm of SoE, nothing is going to change.
I think unemployment benefits make certain distinctions between being laid off and fired. Also being fired precludes you from getting a good reference as opposed to being laid off.
Also Microsoft even Blizzard I think has laid off people of late. Well I feel sorry for the people who lose their jobs in this climate.
Now , Its a shame that more layoofs have occured at SOE but it for the most part could have been avoided.
Copying aspects of WoW and then incorporating them into already established games was the error that sent the once number one MMO company to layoffs.
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Wow hands down a perfect summary on the current mess that Soe is under Smedley. Guy managed to kill off a loyal playerbase and failed hard acquiring the crowd the mini-NGE of Eq2 was targeted for.Soe as a whole needs a complete overhall -->firing Smedley and try to regain some reputation by making Everquest 3 as real successor not a walk in the park like Eq2 has become.
The companies reputation is damaged beyond god. No matter which forums you are searching its almost a clear bet you'll find some "it has the Soe logo so I wont buy it" posts. What really pisses me off is the fact that the layoffs, firings are never happen to the guys responsible for this bullshit.
fire Smedley, shareholders, investors that aren't listening and bring in guys with passion!
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
They should not see it as being layed off or fired. Think of it as a "New Job Experience."
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SOE sure have a poor vision....going from being heavy on "quests with meaning" (HQ, signature and epic questlines), to quests only for xp, making it a solo quester MMO (sure the original game had some of those here and there as well), and from instances all having a purpose to instances being main focus and being all about gear grinding.
as for vanguard they putted alot of effort into making it an acceptable game, compared to when they released it....they didnt break it, they finished it to an acceptable level, without SOE vanguard would never have been on the market at all.
That is exactly what the issue is. Smedley stands out as a CEO who has driven his product into the ground. In most industries he would be long gone. He must have something on his boss, there is just no explanation why he is still around. SOE will be an also ran in this genre as long as Smedley is at the helm. He is just completely clueless when it comes to MMO development.
Are the mods asleep since this is still not on the news page?