Of course no review is totally unbiased but this one seems balanced.Yes the reviewer likes many thing in the game and wants it to succeed but he's not blinded to the games faults during his brief time with it.
What's more interesting is how this review of a hands on demo brings out the unbalanced biases of some posters in these forums in their responses.
The fact of the matter is, the relative objectivity of any given video game review is also a matter of opinion, unless we are looking at a purely empirical review which just lists the technical aspects of the game in a scientific manner. If you are trying to judge how enjoyable something is to you, one can not really be unbiased.
I found the review to be quite fair and unbiased to the point where the reviewer is simply stating his honest opinion and findings. For a 45-minute gameplay demonstration review, I don't think we can ask for much more.
It is possible to write unbiased review, but not when you write from personal experiences. An unbiased review would include polls, empirical data, comparisons and so on, but not personal opinions, experiences or views.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
It is possible to write unbiased review, but not when you write from personal experiences. An unbiased review would include polls, empirical data, comparisons and so on, but not personal opinions, experiences or views.
This is a well written review. He goes through both positives and negatives. In the end, he likes the game. In the end, I agree everyone has a bias. The review he wrote was balanced thou.
What i can't understand is why is there such a competition among people on this site, to have one game be top dog.
Why can't we just have a crop of new games that even though share the basic mmo function, be differant and unique in their own way.
There's never been or never will be a reason to bash a new game that is currently in development and not yet even close to release or even after that.
People need to get this WOW top dog mentality out of their head and just play which ever game they like the most. No need to bash and tread on another person's hope's and excitement for a particular MMORPG.
What i can't understand is why is there such a competition among people on this site, to have one game be top dog.
Why can't we just have a crop of new games that even though share the basic mmo function, be differant and unique in their own way.
There's never been or never will be a reason to bash a new game that is currently in development and not yet even close to release or even after that.
People need to get this WOW top dog mentality out of their head and just play which ever game they like the most. No need to bash and tread on another person's hope's and excitement for a particular MMORPG.
I totally agree with you. If I have two games to try next year that seem fun on the surface (this and GW2), I'll be thrilled. Right now I'm back to playing WOW at level 77 because Ive exhausted my other options for now. After reading the article in the OPs post, it pretty much confirmed where I thought the game was at this point. It looks as if the world will be huge and allow a variety of things to keep people busy and having fun based on their play styles. However, I do hope the animations get a big upgrade between now and release.
Yes, that is pretty much how it works. You have your favorite game with your guild and all your friends and they are all ranting and raving about one game. Then that is when you start to worry. You think that the game has become a threat to your little commmunity. Than you feel the need to take action, by going around here, there ,and everywhere discrediting the game that you think might take all your friends away and ruin your community.
At least that is what I think, why else would people go out of their way to trash a game at every point unless they thought it was a threat?
And what about us gamers who don't have gaming pep rallies, who don't belong to guilds for games that do not yet exist ( i.e.released ), who don't have any one game they are particularly looking forward to, and still think SWToR will be a steaming pile of WoW-shit?
No game is a "threat" to me, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
And what about us gamers who don't have gaming pep rallies, who don't belong to guilds for games that do not yet exist ( i.e.released ), who don't have any one game they are particularly looking forward to, and still think SWToR will be a steaming pile of WoW-shit?
No game is a "threat" to me, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Funny question: if you don't like any current MMO's and aren't really looking forward to any MMO, then why waste time hanging around MMO game forums since you're not enthusiastic about playing any of them?
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You already have raid leaders praising this game and it isn't even out yet.
I mean... WTF?!
I just wonder where you all got the idea he was a guild leader I did some searching in his profile and stuff and nothing says anything about him being a leader of a guild. just wanted to add that not like it matters if he was or not in my opinion.
This is a great review by someone who has been around the SwTor forms a long time. He has always been very vocal about things he didn't like. If you don't believe he isn't just another fan boy click on his name and look at some of his other posts. He has been very vocal about horrible space combat and the species all being just humans with a different color skin.
Thought it would be a good read for some of you.
And even though some people on here say he is a guild leader for the game i would like to see a link to anything that stats that he is because nothing in his sig or profile states he is in a guild for Tor or that he is a leader. The link in his sig actually brings you to a post about how he would like to see PvP be a lot like Daoc pvp.
One million dollar bet that the original poster is the one who posted the review.
Also, all the review does is CONFIRM that SWTOR is just a sci fi WoW copy cat. This sounds like the biggest one of them all.
This is a great review by someone who has been around the SwTor forms a long time. He has always been very vocal about things he didn't like. If you don't believe he isn't just another fan boy click on his name and look at some of his other posts. He has been very vocal about horrible space combat and the species all being just humans with a different color skin.
Thought it would be a good read for some of you.
And even though some people on here say he is a guild leader for the game i would like to see a link to anything that stats that he is because nothing in his sig or profile states he is in a guild for Tor or that he is a leader. The link in his sig actually brings you to a post about how he would like to see PvP be a lot like Daoc pvp.
One million dollar bet that the original poster is the one who posted the review.
Also, all the review does is CONFIRM that SWTOR is just a sci fi WoW copy cat. This sounds like the biggest one of them all.
This is such a childish and ridiculous assumption which is in line with your posting history.
This is a great review by someone who has been around the SwTor forms a long time. He has always been very vocal about things he didn't like. If you don't believe he isn't just another fan boy click on his name and look at some of his other posts. He has been very vocal about horrible space combat and the species all being just humans with a different color skin.
Thought it would be a good read for some of you.
And even though some people on here say he is a guild leader for the game i would like to see a link to anything that stats that he is because nothing in his sig or profile states he is in a guild for Tor or that he is a leader. The link in his sig actually brings you to a post about how he would like to see PvP be a lot like Daoc pvp.
One million dollar bet that the original poster is the one who posted the review.
Also, all the review does is CONFIRM that SWTOR is just a sci fi WoW copy cat. This sounds like the biggest one of them all.
At this point in the game, who cares. Most mmo players never tried SWG, and will never try SWG. It would be like a swift kick in the balls if TOR played like SWG, and they would unsub, and the game would just die like SWG did.
This is a great review by someone who has been around the SwTor forms a long time. He has always been very vocal about things he didn't like. If you don't believe he isn't just another fan boy click on his name and look at some of his other posts. He has been very vocal about horrible space combat and the species all being just humans with a different color skin.
Thought it would be a good read for some of you.
And even though some people on here say he is a guild leader for the game i would like to see a link to anything that stats that he is because nothing in his sig or profile states he is in a guild for Tor or that he is a leader. The link in his sig actually brings you to a post about how he would like to see PvP be a lot like Daoc pvp.
not to rain on the parade, but you cant possibly call something an unbiased review of a game thats not released to the public and playable yet. its simply absurd to suggest that you are telling me the truth about something i have no way of confirming or denying. how bout we wait for the game to be released, people play it, then we right some reviews, and then start calling them unbiased or not! sounds better to me to do it this way then when stuff is still under nda in closed testing lulz.
And what about us gamers who don't have gaming pep rallies, who don't belong to guilds for games that do not yet exist ( i.e.released ), who don't have any one game they are particularly looking forward to, and still think SWToR will be a steaming pile of WoW-shit?
No game is a "threat" to me, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Funny question: if you don't like any current MMO's and aren't really looking forward to any MMO, then why waste time hanging around MMO game forums since you're not enthusiastic about playing any of them?
Even funnier question: where do you see me saying I don't like any current mmos? And no, I'm not "looking forward" to any of the new mmos in particular. I am watching them ALL equally.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
And what about us gamers who don't have gaming pep rallies, who don't belong to guilds for games that do not yet exist ( i.e.released ), who don't have any one game they are particularly looking forward to, and still think SWToR will be a steaming pile of WoW-shit?
No game is a "threat" to me, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Funny question: if you don't like any current MMO's and aren't really looking forward to any MMO, then why waste time hanging around MMO game forums since you're not enthusiastic about playing any of them?
Even funnier question: where do you see me saying I don't like any current mmos? And no, I'm not "looking forward" to any of the new mmos in particular. I am watching them ALL equally.
I agree. Not quite sure why folks think games need someone to cheer for them, defend them, promote them etc. I currently play an MMO, hence my interest, and of course enjoy watching what is unfolding for next year.
GW2, SWTOR, and half a dozen others have caught my interest, mostly because I figure one day, somehow, one of them isn't going to suck, unlike most games of the past 5 years.
But if they all turn out to be good games, its great for me cause I'll have years of playing to look forward to. If they don't work out, well, I'll still be playing EVE then I suppose.
Edit: Oh yes, regarding the OP, not a bad review, if the title had read "A Decent Review" or even "A Balanced Review" without all of the disclaimers then perhaps this flame war could have been avoided.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
And what about us gamers who don't have gaming pep rallies, who don't belong to guilds for games that do not yet exist ( i.e.released ), who don't have any one game they are particularly looking forward to, and still think SWToR will be a steaming pile of WoW-shit?
No game is a "threat" to me, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Funny question: if you don't like any current MMO's and aren't really looking forward to any MMO, then why waste time hanging around MMO game forums since you're not enthusiastic about playing any of them?
Even funnier question: where do you see me saying I don't like any current mmos? And no, I'm not "looking forward" to any of the new mmos in particular. I am watching them ALL equally.
I agree. Not quite sure why folks think games need someone to cheer for them, defend them, promote them etc. I currently play an MMO, hence my interest, and of course enjoy watching what is unfolding for next year.
GW2, SWTOR, and half a dozen others have caught my interest, mostly because I figure one day, somehow, one of them isn't going to suck, unlike most games of the past 5 years.
But if they all turn out to be good games, its great for me cause I'll have years of playing to look forward to. If they don't work out, well, I'll still be playing EVE then I suppose.
Edit: Oh yes, regarding the OP, not a bad review, if the title had read "A Decent Review" or even "A Balanced Review" without all of the disclaimers then perhaps this flame war could have been avoided.
But probably not.
I'm not sure why folks feel the need to make venomous remarks either way over the subject of gaming, let alone games that haven't even released.
Stupidity is another matter all together of course. In the end, I also agree, who gives a flying **** until we see these games in action. Until then anything written pro or con is about as valuable as chicken shit.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This is a great review by someone who has been around the SwTor forms a long time. He has always been very vocal about things he didn't like. If you don't believe he isn't just another fan boy click on his name and look at some of his other posts. He has been very vocal about horrible space combat and the species all being just humans with a different color skin.
Thought it would be a good read for some of you.
And even though some people on here say he is a guild leader for the game i would like to see a link to anything that stats that he is because nothing in his sig or profile states he is in a guild for Tor or that he is a leader. The link in his sig actually brings you to a post about how he would like to see PvP be a lot like Daoc pvp.
One million dollar bet that the original poster is the one who posted the review.
Also, all the review does is CONFIRM that SWTOR is just a sci fi WoW copy cat. This sounds like the biggest one of them all.
7 posts saysa it all. Massive assumption with nothing to back it up.
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And what about us gamers who don't have gaming pep rallies, who don't belong to guilds for games that do not yet exist ( i.e.released ), who don't have any one game they are particularly looking forward to, and still think SWToR will be a steaming pile of WoW-shit?
No game is a "threat" to me, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Funny question: if you don't like any current MMO's and aren't really looking forward to any MMO, then why waste time hanging around MMO game forums since you're not enthusiastic about playing any of them?
Even funnier question: where do you see me saying I don't like any current mmos? And no, I'm not "looking forward" to any of the new mmos in particular. I am watching them ALL equally.
I guess with a sig of "eyeswideopen" if you are roleplaying your account your response could be nothing less. Watch you don't fall of that noble fence you are sat on. I love people who don't have opinions because they are trying to be oh so politically correct.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Its NOT a great review because NO ONE HAS PLAYED IT. Not that writer, not you, not me. NO ONE. Until any of us actually play it, this doomsaying needs to stop. For gods sakes, its not even in beta yet. Yet a bunch of people want to freak out over videos.
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
It doesn't mean a thing if he's not a fan boi or if he is. Or if he's neither. Not a thing. BECAUSE HE'S STILL JUMPING THE GUN.
Its NOT a great review because NO ONE HAS PLAYED IT. Not that writer, not you, not me. NO ONE. Until any of us actually play it, this doomsaying needs to stop. For gods sakes, its not even in beta yet. Yet a bunch of people want to freak out over videos.
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
It doesn't mean a thing if he's not a fan boi or if he is. Or if he's neither. Not a thing. BECAUSE HE'S STILL JUMPING THE GUN.
Get over it.
Actually, the writer of that review did play it, and he's not under NDA because he played it as Gamescon.
And what about us gamers who don't have gaming pep rallies, who don't belong to guilds for games that do not yet exist ( i.e.released ), who don't have any one game they are particularly looking forward to, and still think SWToR will be a steaming pile of WoW-shit?
No game is a "threat" to me, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Funny question: if you don't like any current MMO's and aren't really looking forward to any MMO, then why waste time hanging around MMO game forums since you're not enthusiastic about playing any of them?
Even funnier question: where do you see me saying I don't like any current mmos? And no, I'm not "looking forward" to any of the new mmos in particular. I am watching them ALL equally.
I guess with a sig of "eyeswideopen" if you are roleplaying your account your response could be nothing less. Watch you don't fall of that noble fence you are sat on. I love people who don't have opinions because they are trying to be oh so politically correct.
Because it's so much better to jump to a extremist view(fanboi/hater) based on limited information and very controlled public demos at cons.Some of us prefer to have a decent amount of information on the whole of a product not just part sof itand hopefully actual experience before passing judgement on something.
Its NOT a great review because NO ONE HAS PLAYED IT. Not that writer, not you, not me. NO ONE. Until any of us actually play it, this doomsaying needs to stop. For gods sakes, its not even in beta yet. Yet a bunch of people want to freak out over videos.
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
It doesn't mean a thing if he's not a fan boi or if he is. Or if he's neither. Not a thing. BECAUSE HE'S STILL JUMPING THE GUN.
Get over it.
Actually, the writer of that review did play it, and he's not under NDA because he played it as Gamescon.
Yes no one ever claime dit was a review of the whole,finished product...it's onyl a review of the author's expereince with the playable demo at gamescon....though I do agree with you the reactions of some people over this is amusing.
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The fact of the matter is, the relative objectivity of any given video game review is also a matter of opinion, unless we are looking at a purely empirical review which just lists the technical aspects of the game in a scientific manner. If you are trying to judge how enjoyable something is to you, one can not really be unbiased.
I found the review to be quite fair and unbiased to the point where the reviewer is simply stating his honest opinion and findings. For a 45-minute gameplay demonstration review, I don't think we can ask for much more.
Gosh, the word should be BALANCED not UNBIASED!
It is possible to write unbiased review, but not when you write from personal experiences. An unbiased review would include polls, empirical data, comparisons and so on, but not personal opinions, experiences or views.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
This is a well written review. He goes through both positives and negatives. In the end, he likes the game. In the end, I agree everyone has a bias. The review he wrote was balanced thou.
What i can't understand is why is there such a competition among people on this site, to have one game be top dog.
Why can't we just have a crop of new games that even though share the basic mmo function, be differant and unique in their own way.
There's never been or never will be a reason to bash a new game that is currently in development and not yet even close to release or even after that.
People need to get this WOW top dog mentality out of their head and just play which ever game they like the most. No need to bash and tread on another person's hope's and excitement for a particular MMORPG.
I totally agree with you. If I have two games to try next year that seem fun on the surface (this and GW2), I'll be thrilled. Right now I'm back to playing WOW at level 77 because Ive exhausted my other options for now. After reading the article in the OPs post, it pretty much confirmed where I thought the game was at this point. It looks as if the world will be huge and allow a variety of things to keep people busy and having fun based on their play styles. However, I do hope the animations get a big upgrade between now and release.
There Is Always Hope!
And what about us gamers who don't have gaming pep rallies, who don't belong to guilds for games that do not yet exist ( i.e.released ), who don't have any one game they are particularly looking forward to, and still think SWToR will be a steaming pile of WoW-shit?
No game is a "threat" to me, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Funny question: if you don't like any current MMO's and aren't really looking forward to any MMO, then why waste time hanging around MMO game forums since you're not enthusiastic about playing any of them?
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You already have raid leaders praising this game and it isn't even out yet.
I mean... WTF?!
All those memories will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
I just wonder where you all got the idea he was a guild leader I did some searching in his profile and stuff and nothing says anything about him being a leader of a guild. just wanted to add that not like it matters if he was or not in my opinion.
He's a guild leader?
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He's a PvPer, and I didn't even know he was a guild leader, where did you get that anyway?
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One million dollar bet that the original poster is the one who posted the review.
Also, all the review does is CONFIRM that SWTOR is just a sci fi WoW copy cat. This sounds like the biggest one of them all.
This is such a childish and ridiculous assumption which is in line with your posting history.
There Is Always Hope!
At this point in the game, who cares. Most mmo players never tried SWG, and will never try SWG. It would be like a swift kick in the balls if TOR played like SWG, and they would unsub, and the game would just die like SWG did.
I have to agree because we were both there!
not to rain on the parade, but you cant possibly call something an unbiased review of a game thats not released to the public and playable yet. its simply absurd to suggest that you are telling me the truth about something i have no way of confirming or denying. how bout we wait for the game to be released, people play it, then we right some reviews, and then start calling them unbiased or not! sounds better to me to do it this way then when stuff is still under nda in closed testing lulz.
Even funnier question: where do you see me saying I don't like any current mmos? And no, I'm not "looking forward" to any of the new mmos in particular. I am watching them ALL equally.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I agree. Not quite sure why folks think games need someone to cheer for them, defend them, promote them etc. I currently play an MMO, hence my interest, and of course enjoy watching what is unfolding for next year.
GW2, SWTOR, and half a dozen others have caught my interest, mostly because I figure one day, somehow, one of them isn't going to suck, unlike most games of the past 5 years.
But if they all turn out to be good games, its great for me cause I'll have years of playing to look forward to. If they don't work out, well, I'll still be playing EVE then I suppose.
Edit: Oh yes, regarding the OP, not a bad review, if the title had read "A Decent Review" or even "A Balanced Review" without all of the disclaimers then perhaps this flame war could have been avoided.
But probably not.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I'm not sure why folks feel the need to make venomous remarks either way over the subject of gaming, let alone games that haven't even released.
Stupidity is another matter all together of course. In the end, I also agree, who gives a flying **** until we see these games in action. Until then anything written pro or con is about as valuable as chicken shit.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
7 posts saysa it all. Massive assumption with nothing to back it up.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
I guess with a sig of "eyeswideopen" if you are roleplaying your account your response could be nothing less. Watch you don't fall of that noble fence you are sat on. I love people who don't have opinions because they are trying to be oh so politically correct.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
segyn, this is called overreacting.
Its NOT a great review because NO ONE HAS PLAYED IT. Not that writer, not you, not me. NO ONE. Until any of us actually play it, this doomsaying needs to stop. For gods sakes, its not even in beta yet. Yet a bunch of people want to freak out over videos.
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
It doesn't mean a thing if he's not a fan boi or if he is. Or if he's neither. Not a thing. BECAUSE HE'S STILL JUMPING THE GUN.
Get over it.
Actually, the writer of that review did play it, and he's not under NDA because he played it as Gamescon.
Because it's so much better to jump to a extremist view(fanboi/hater) based on limited information and very controlled public demos at cons.Some of us prefer to have a decent amount of information on the whole of a product not just part sof itand hopefully actual experience before passing judgement on something.
Yes no one ever claime dit was a review of the whole,finished product...it's onyl a review of the author's expereince with the playable demo at gamescon....though I do agree with you the reactions of some people over this is amusing.