Whoa their bud. Calm down. As you can see from the very quote you put in your post, Nephaerius actually stated that the "assassin is the character on the ground crouching on the left side of the ele (elemental), opposite of the ranger". You might want to read it again for clarity.
No need to resort to such aggressiveness either.
Dude, I read it correctly. And you quoted it correctly, but you still can't seem to figure out what to the left means...he was called the necro the assassin. Get with it.
Okay, I guess I'm going to have to spell it out for you.
1. The guy stated The assassin is on the ground crouching on the left side of the ele opposite of the ranger. It's pretty clear from the daggers in its hands.
2. You stated "Come again, Nephaerius? The character right next to the ranger crouching on the left is a what you say? You blathering fool. You don't even know what you're preaching."
3.Read 1 and then read 2. You clearly misquoted the guy, because he clearly stated that the assassin is on left of the ele opposite of the ranger, not crouching on the left of the ranger as you said.
4. Not only did you misquote him, you responded with an insult, by calling him a "blathering fool". Come on, really? How is that even necessary?
5. Just because you and alot of other people think that shadow is the necro, doesn't mean that its been officially confirmed. Alot of people thought/still think that the shadow to the immediate left of the elemental is the assassin. So who cares if it turns out that you are right? Since the shadow has not been filled by Arenanet on the main site, its still not official, which leaves it open for discussion and debate.
6. And as you can see, I do know what "to the left" means. And yeah, I'm "with it". So like I said earlier, chill with the uncalled for aggression.
7. Am I right, or am I right, or am I right, or am I right?.....Or am I right?
You're wrong you're wrong you're wrong.
He stated to the left of the ele...opposite the ranger. That is the necro dude. Can you not find something if it doesnt have a X on it to mark the spot. Read through the logic. To the left of the ele, opposite the ranger. The necro's position fits this description perfectly because the necro is OPPOSITE the ranger and LEFT of the Ele. Damn...didnt know you needed a college degree to understand that shiattt.
EDIT: Either way, the guy thought the character crouching next to the ele, the necro, was an assassin with daggers. He claimed he was 100% right and was shown he was 100% wrong. End of discussion, no need for your tomfoolery rbc.
1. The guy stated The assassin is on the ground crouching on the left side of the ele opposite of the ranger. It's pretty clear from the daggers in its hands.
Not all persons with 2 daggers are an Assassin, it could be some kind of thief or similar. I think it is rather lightly that they use a broader class like a rogue that you can design into a assassin if you want to or something closer to the traditional thief if you prefer that.
The Assassin class as it was in the first GW doesn't really fit into Tyria, it was more or less a Ninja so even if they will call the class assassin it should be different to fit the lore.
As for the 2 daggers, my D&D ranger had 2 daggers (and a longbow), it is not an unheard combo for others than killers for hire. Guild thieves have them in many RPGs.
Just read the book "Ghosts of Ascalon" and you'll know that the assasin og GW2 will be much more like a kind of rogue... Inside the Rogue class several different specs should be possible.... a rogueish version like Dougal but also a more Assasin like version....
Any illumination on what those skills will be? Damage/debuff, weapon combo fighter? Stealth mechanic etc?
Will be... no
Could be ... yes
All the above and more should apply depending on spec, the Dougal from the book is just one possible rogueish spec, mainly having means of detecting traps and opening traps, when fighting he tries to dissble and debuff stuff...
Since i am only halfway in the book which is on my ipad that i don't have with me this weekend i hope to be able to tell you more sometime next week.
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Whoa their bud. Calm down. As you can see from the very quote you put in your post, Nephaerius actually stated that the "assassin is the character on the ground crouching on the left side of the ele (elemental), opposite of the ranger". You might want to read it again for clarity.
No need to resort to such aggressiveness either.
Dude, I read it correctly. And you quoted it correctly, but you still can't seem to figure out what to the left means...he was called the necro the assassin. Get with it.
Okay, I guess I'm going to have to spell it out for you.
1. The guy stated The assassin is on the ground crouching on the left side of the ele opposite of the ranger. It's pretty clear from the daggers in its hands.
2. You stated "Come again, Nephaerius? The character right next to the ranger crouching on the left is a what you say? You blathering fool. You don't even know what you're preaching."
3.Read 1 and then read 2. You clearly misquoted the guy, because he clearly stated that the assassin is on left of the ele opposite of the ranger, not crouching on the left of the ranger as you said.
4. Not only did you misquote him, you responded with an insult, by calling him a "blathering fool". Come on, really? How is that even necessary?
5. Just because you and alot of other people think that shadow is the necro, doesn't mean that its been officially confirmed. Alot of people thought/still think that the shadow to the immediate left of the elemental is the assassin. So who cares if it turns out that you are right? Since the shadow has not been filled by Arenanet on the main site, its still not official, which leaves it open for discussion and debate.
6. And as you can see, I do know what "to the left" means. And yeah, I'm "with it". So like I said earlier, chill with the uncalled for aggression.
7. Am I right, or am I right, or am I right, or am I right?.....Or am I right?
You're wrong you're wrong you're wrong.
He stated to the left of the ele...opposite the ranger. That is the necro dude. Can you not find something if it doesnt have a X on it to mark the spot. Read through the logic. To the left of the ele, opposite the ranger. The necro's position fits this description perfectly because the necro is OPPOSITE the ranger and LEFT of the Ele. Damn...didnt know you needed a college degree to understand that shiattt.
EDIT: Either way, the guy thought the character crouching next to the ele, the necro, was an assassin with daggers. He claimed he was 100% right and was shown he was 100% wrong. End of discussion, no need for your tomfoolery rbc.
Sorry, but unlike you I don't need to resort to rudeness to prove my point. We can just stick with the facts. Since you still can't see it, I'll try to patiently restate it to you again.
Now you are changing what you said. You at first said that he stated, "The character right next to the ranger crouching on the left". When I pointed out that you misquoted him, you responded by saying that "he stated to the left of the ele...opposite the ranger." Now, you seem like you are able to somehow able to quote him correctly, but you still fail to admit that you misquoted him in the first place. If you still don't want to admit that, its not my problem.
And as I said before, it doesn't matter if he was wrong about that shadow being an assassin. Tons of people thought it was, while others thought it to be the necro. And until Arenanet revealed that shadow to be the necro (they just now filled that shadow with the necro picture this morning), then people had the right to keep speculating as to which profession would fill that shadow. There was no 100% wrong or right here. You seemed to have been ridiculously offended by his opinion, and called the dude a blathering fool? Thats what I called you out for, because that was bad form.
If you can't take being called out for something like that, find a different forum, as the "Rules of conduct" are very clear here. You can refer to it if you need a refresher. And now you seem to be dangerously close to turning that same smart attitude in my direction by the look of some of your comments. Its reasons like this that MMORPG is more closely monitoring the forums now, trying to keep conversation fair and enjoyable.
Anyways, I don't want to derail this thread, because I"m interested in the topic. If you still want the last word, then fine, go ahead. I'm just asking that you tone down your rudeness, as its not necessary.
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters." Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
1. The guy stated The assassin is on the ground crouching on the left side of the ele opposite of the ranger. It's pretty clear from the daggers in its hands.
Not all persons with 2 daggers are an Assassin, it could be some kind of thief or similar. I think it is rather lightly that they use a broader class like a rogue that you can design into a assassin if you want to or something closer to the traditional thief if you prefer that.
The Assassin class as it was in the first GW doesn't really fit into Tyria, it was more or less a Ninja so even if they will call the class assassin it should be different to fit the lore.
As for the 2 daggers, my D&D ranger had 2 daggers (and a longbow), it is not an unheard combo for others than killers for hire. Guild thieves have them in many RPGs.
That was me quoting someone else. Not my own comment, by the way. I never claimed to know what that shadow was. However, as of this morning, we now have confirmation that its the necro.
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters." Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
I think the Assassin in GW2 is a Mesmer with daggers. Makes sense since an Assassin usually use their charm to get close to the target and create illusions to distract those who are unto them. Then they make the kill, shadow step, then blends among the patrons or pretend to be once of the entertainers.
It's perfect!!!
This sounds like an amazing idea. With skills being linked to weapons it'd be interesting, although... you can change weapons out of combat and switching between an assaassin playstyle and a mesmer playstyle seems a bit much...
I wouldn't disagree with this if it happened however.
I think the Assassin in GW2 is a Mesmer with daggers. Makes sense since an Assassin usually use their charm to get close to the target and create illusions to distract those who are unto them. Then they make the kill, shadow step, then blends among the patrons or pretend to be once of the entertainers.
It's perfect!!!
This sounds like an amazing idea. With skills being linked to weapons it'd be interesting, although... you can change weapons out of combat and switching between an assaassin playstyle and a mesmer playstyle seems a bit much...
I wouldn't disagree with this if it happened however.
Considering all spell casters are using daggers these days in gw2 I wouldn't be surprised...
I think the Assassin in GW2 is a Mesmer with daggers. Makes sense since an Assassin usually use their charm to get close to the target and create illusions to distract those who are unto them. Then they make the kill, shadow step, then blends among the patrons or pretend to be once of the entertainers.
It's perfect!!!
This sounds like an amazing idea. With skills being linked to weapons it'd be interesting, although... you can change weapons out of combat and switching between an assaassin playstyle and a mesmer playstyle seems a bit much...
I wouldn't disagree with this if it happened however.
I will at least admit that this would make the profession (whatever the heck it would be called) extremely versatile, and absolutely awesome to play. I'd like being able to switch back and forth to accomodate with the needs of the moment. Plus it would give people a chance to play the class how they want, whether they want to lean more in the direction of an assassin, or focus more in the direction of a mesmer. Its a unique take on the profession.
However, my personal preference for an assassin profession is one that doesn't rely too much on magical skills like the mesmer, nor on extremes such as invisibility or teleportation. I'd prefer a more utility based focus on the heavy use of tools, like poisons (instant damage, damage over time, slow movement, stun, hallucinogenic, etc. Only one poison can be injected at a time.), darts, bombs, illusions, crossbows, and maybe traps (not sure about that one, because it may overlap with the ranger's focus on traps). Also, make the class have to wear light armor as supposed to medium like in most games (AOC's assassin class wears cloth I think?).
Instead of it being a cheap and dirty melee class, this would force it to have to focus more on sneaky tactics and a reliance on tools, because it won't have those extreme skills like invisibility and teleportation (i.e. shadow step). As a bonus, I think an energy draining skill like "silent movement" (suppression of footsteps and voiceovers in PVP, and for PVE it would be the avoidance of aggro when not directly in the mob's line of sight) would also be helpful to still give the class a "stealthy" feel. I think the community would be more likely to appreciate such a take, because it won't allow the class to become as OP as some of the assassin/rogue classes in other games.
Just my thoughts...
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters." Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
nice post rbc, though if you take away the flashy Assassin skills, it starts feeling like a nerfed Necromancer or a nerfed Warrior (seeming from your description)
If Assassins are in I hope they have some really adaptable combination abilities and something that takes advantage of the new dodge rolls (knockdown turned into a roll would be a nice skill, combined with a quick speed up, call it Momentum, or something )
You make a good point about cloth armour, which is something I always imagined assassins being more likely to wear, being more easily able to blend in with nearby civilians.
Any other ideas on classes that would benefit from being combined? A way to include all the playstyles of gw1? Dervish+Ritualist would be my next favourite idea... Like the shield completely changes the playstyle of warriors. The 4 nonweapon skills will really push the way you play.
edit: It made me a little sad when they said Rangers would need a pet to be effective, since that pretty much denied Assassin style Rangers.
Whoa their bud. Calm down. As you can see from the very quote you put in your post, Nephaerius actually stated that the "assassin is the character on the ground crouching on the left side of the ele (elemental), opposite of the ranger". You might want to read it again for clarity.
No need to resort to such aggressiveness either.
Dude, I read it correctly. And you quoted it correctly, but you still can't seem to figure out what to the left means...he was called the necro the assassin. Get with it.
Okay, I guess I'm going to have to spell it out for you.
1. The guy stated The assassin is on the ground crouching on the left side of the ele opposite of the ranger. It's pretty clear from the daggers in its hands.
2. You stated "Come again, Nephaerius? The character right next to the ranger crouching on the left is a what you say? You blathering fool. You don't even know what you're preaching."
3.Read 1 and then read 2. You clearly misquoted the guy, because he clearly stated that the assassin is on left of the ele opposite of the ranger, not crouching on the left of the ranger as you said.
4. Not only did you misquote him, you responded with an insult, by calling him a "blathering fool". Come on, really? How is that even necessary?
5. Just because you and alot of other people think that shadow is the necro, doesn't mean that its been officially confirmed. Alot of people thought/still think that the shadow to the immediate left of the elemental is the assassin. So who cares if it turns out that you are right? Since the shadow has not been filled by Arenanet on the main site, its still not official, which leaves it open for discussion and debate.
6. And as you can see, I do know what "to the left" means. And yeah, I'm "with it". So like I said earlier, chill with the uncalled for aggression.
7. Am I right, or am I right, or am I right, or am I right?.....Or am I right?
You're wrong you're wrong you're wrong.
He stated to the left of the ele...opposite the ranger. That is the necro dude. Can you not find something if it doesnt have a X on it to mark the spot. Read through the logic. To the left of the ele, opposite the ranger. The necro's position fits this description perfectly because the necro is OPPOSITE the ranger and LEFT of the Ele. Damn...didnt know you needed a college degree to understand that shiattt.
EDIT: Either way, the guy thought the character crouching next to the ele, the necro, was an assassin with daggers. He claimed he was 100% right and was shown he was 100% wrong. End of discussion, no need for your tomfoolery rbc.
Just want to point one thing out, you missed the logic also.
"to the left of the ele" is where the Ranger is. Given that the ele is facing you, her left side is where the Ranger is. Now given that position, "opposite the Ranger" cannot be the right side of the ele, otherwise the statement "to the left" will no longer be true.
The Necro as you stated is "to the right of the ele, opposite of the Ranger", not "to the left of the ele". Thus, I have no idea how did you come to that conclusion following the instructions.
So what is opposite of the Ranger, to the left of the ele? I have no clue.
The bottom line is, you guys are getting worked up on bad instructions.
"So what is opposite of the Ranger, to the left of the ele? I have no clue.
The bottom line is, you guys are getting worked up on bad instructions."
Reply:
Actually, we do now have an idea of what that shadow is. Its the necro. Arenanet finally filled it in with a picture of an asura necro, and they just did it this morning. Either way, if you read my posts, you'll see that this was never the focus of my argument. I personally didn't care what it was, because I was just waiting for Arenanet to fill it in.
Please also note that I was not "getting worked up" over anything, much less "bad instructions". I was calling him out for his unecessary aggression towards another poster, simply over a petty disagreement.
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters." Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
"So what is opposite of the Ranger, to the left of the ele? I have no clue.
The bottom line is, you guys are getting worked up on bad instructions."
Reply:
Actually, we do now have an idea of what that shadow is. Its the necro. Arenanet finally filled it in with a picture of an asura necro, and they just did it this morning. Either way, if you read my posts, you'll see that this was never the focus of my argument. I personally didn't care what it was, because I was just waiting for Arenanet to fill it in.
Please also note that I was not "getting worked up" over anything, much less "bad instructions". I was calling him out for his unecessary aggression towards another poster, simply over a petty disagreement.
It was a bad instruction. The Necro is nowhere near the left of the ele, he's on the right. Read my whole post, pls.
Edit: Here's a logic test.
Which hand of the ele is raised? Left hand or Right hand?
nice post rbc, though if you take away the flashy Assassin skills, it starts feeling like a nerfed Necromancer or a nerfed Warrior (seeming from your description)
If Assassins are in I hope they have some really adaptable combination abilities and something that takes advantage of the new dodge rolls (knockdown turned into a roll would be a nice skill, combined with a quick speed up, call it Momentum, or something )
You make a good point about cloth armour, which is something I always imagined assassins being more likely to wear, being more easily able to blend in with nearby civilians.
edit: It made me a little sad when they said Rangers would need a pet to be effective, since that pretty much denied Assassin style Rangers.
Thanks for your kind comments, Venomzer.
The point of my post is that I'm tired of todays assassins and rogues in games looking more like an anime-inspired ninja. Ninjas tend to have magical powers, allowing them to be almost borderline casters like Ryu in ninja-gaeden. Allowing them to go invisible, or teleport across the battlefield seems too magical, or arcane for my tastes.
In my humble opinion, I've always imagined assassins to be dark and scary, intimidating you when they show up, like in DnD lore. They were not flashy combo using ninjas. Yes, they were shadowy and sneaky, yet they were more focused on efficiency. Thats why I would prefer more of a focus on tools.The assassins and rogues from your standard classic fantasy-lore always relied heavily on actual stealth, sneakiness, and tools. I was hoping to see something like that brought back into the profession.
Now regarding your comment about the cloth wearing feature, my actual point was to make assassin's more vulnerable, which in my opinion is how they should be. They shouldn't be able to stand toe to toe against a warrior for too long, because the warrior's high damage (I think its going to be increased before the final release) and high protection would easily outlast and obliterate the assassin. This makes the assassin have to rely on more crafty and subtle tactics. And it makes the warrior more useful against an un-prepared assassin, because the assassin wouldn't be able to easily melee himself out of danger with a skilled warrior. Warriors are supposed to be the most talented martial artists in a game, with technically more melee skills and options in my opinion. If you want a fast combo based fighter like some of the rogues in other games, then go light armor and light weapons on your warrior. If you want a more durable warrior, then increase the armor. This is just what I'm hoping it would be like.
Back to the assassin. I have to admit that your "blending in with the civilians" idea does sound pretty cool. Maybe give him some kind of skill that allows him to disguise himself as one of the local npcs in the game for 20-30 seconds? (this would need a huge cooldown) That would lead to some really comical ambushes. I'd love to see some of the youtube submissions for that one. LOL
I'm sure most people would think thats too OP though. Nobody seems to think that the necro's after-death shadow form is too OP though....
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters." Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
"So what is opposite of the Ranger, to the left of the ele? I have no clue.
The bottom line is, you guys are getting worked up on bad instructions."
Reply:
Actually, we do now have an idea of what that shadow is. Its the necro. Arenanet finally filled it in with a picture of an asura necro, and they just did it this morning. Either way, if you read my posts, you'll see that this was never the focus of my argument. I personally didn't care what it was, because I was just waiting for Arenanet to fill it in.
Please also note that I was not "getting worked up" over anything, much less "bad instructions". I was calling him out for his unecessary aggression towards another poster, simply over a petty disagreement.
It was a bad instruction. The Necro is nowhere near the left of the ele, he's on the right. Read my whole post, pls.
Edit: Here's a logic test.
Which hand of the ele is raised? Left hand or Right hand?
Which side is that hand? Left side or right side?
Which side is the Necro?
'nuff said.
I'm not arguing as to whether it was bad instructions. I'm just saying that this was not the focus on my argument with the guy. You said that i was getting worked up over bad instructions, but that was not true. I was calling him out for personally attacking a poster. Thats all.
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters." Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
"So what is opposite of the Ranger, to the left of the ele? I have no clue.
The bottom line is, you guys are getting worked up on bad instructions."
Reply:
Actually, we do now have an idea of what that shadow is. Its the necro. Arenanet finally filled it in with a picture of an asura necro, and they just did it this morning. Either way, if you read my posts, you'll see that this was never the focus of my argument. I personally didn't care what it was, because I was just waiting for Arenanet to fill it in.
Please also note that I was not "getting worked up" over anything, much less "bad instructions". I was calling him out for his unecessary aggression towards another poster, simply over a petty disagreement.
It was a bad instruction. The Necro is nowhere near the left of the ele, he's on the right. Read my whole post, pls.
Edit: Here's a logic test.
Which hand of the ele is raised? Left hand or Right hand?
Which side is that hand? Left side or right side?
Which side is the Necro?
'nuff said.
I'm not arguing as to whether it was bad instructions. I'm just saying that this was not the focus on my argument with the guy. You said that i was getting worked up over bad instructions, but that was not true. I was calling him out for personally attacking a poster. Thats all.
Yes you were. You even made a numbered points just to defend the bad instructions. If you have to go thru all that trouble, then yeah, you're getting worked up. Besides, if someone make such a statement and was proven wrong, I would have to agree that he was blabbering like a fool.
And defending a really bad instruction doesn't make your argument any better.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on whether the guy was giving bad instruction or not. I'm not really interested in revisiting that, because i don't care who's right or wrong in that regard. If I got something wrong there, then so be it. I'm not trying to "make my argument better." Like I said before, thats not my focus. And the only thing that I was actually defending was the dude's right to speculate. Also, regardless of whether you feel someone is being foolish, that doesn't give you the right to insult him. As I said earlier, the rules of conduct here are clear. This is what I was calling the dude out for.
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters." Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
We'll just have to agree to disagree on whether the guy was giving bad instruction or not. I'm not really interested in revisiting that, because i don't care who's right or wrong in that regard. If I got something wrong there, then so be it. I'm not trying to "make my argument better." Like I said before, thats not my focus. And the only thing that I was actually defending was the dude's right to speculate. Also, regardless of whether you feel someone is being foolish, that doesn't give you the right to insult him. As I said earlier, the rules of conduct here are clear. This is what I was calling the dude out for.
Don't get me wrong, I understand your intension, but the best thing you could've done is click the "report" link. No need to defend someone who's speculation has definitive tone in it as if he had an exclusive information about the matter. And about throwing insults, I think you were insulting when you posted "Am I right? or am I right?....", when obviously you were wrong.
Seeing as how the assassin class in GW1 is insanley popular i dont see how they wouldnt put it in GW2. But then again you never know. My guess is that if they dont have it when the game is released then maybe they will include it in an expansion of some sort later on down the line. The kind of combat system that ive seen so far from the gw2 website makes me want them to include the sin, shadow stepping in and out of combat flying around the screen shrowded in darkness...man that would be so bad ass. I would also like to play as a Derv in a more open environment because i like the look of wielding a scythe, being all reaper esque and such.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on whether the guy was giving bad instruction or not. I'm not really interested in revisiting that, because i don't care who's right or wrong in that regard. If I got something wrong there, then so be it. I'm not trying to "make my argument better." Like I said before, thats not my focus. And the only thing that I was actually defending was the dude's right to speculate. Also, regardless of whether you feel someone is being foolish, that doesn't give you the right to insult him. As I said earlier, the rules of conduct here are clear. This is what I was calling the dude out for.
Don't get me wrong, I understand your intension, but the best thing you could've done is click the "report" link. No need to defend someone who's speculation has definitive tone in it as if he had an exclusive information about the matter. And about throwing insults, I think you were insulting when you posted "Am I right? or am I right?....", when obviously you were wrong.
Whether I should have reported him or called him out is a matter of opinion. Nobody has the right to insult another person because they simply disagree, so I called him out. You don't think I should have. Thats your opinion. You have the right to your opinion, and I have mine, so there is nothing to say further about that.
"Speculating" about something, and claiming to have "exclusive information about a matter' are two different things, by the way. So just for your clarification, I was defending the poster's right to speculate, not whatever faulty logic that you can pull out of his post. I'm sure you don't disagree that he has that right? And whether or not you think that there was a need for me to defend him is also just another opinion that you are giving, another opinion I respectfully disagree with. There really is no "obvious" indication that I was wrong in that regard, because its your opinion as to whether I should call him out or not. You seem to be calling me out, right? Was there a need?
But at the same time, I will concede to you calling me out on the "am I right or am I right" comment. I meant it more jokingly (because it reminds me of a character in a movie), but I can see how the intensity of the discussion could have caused it to come off as sarcastic. It was unwise. I won't agree with you that it was insulting, though. Either way, silly comments like that can easily aggravate the situation, so I humbly accept your rebuke there, friend. I offer my sincerest apologies for that comment.
I think we should kill this little spat, and continue enjoying the GW2 discussions, don't you?
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters." Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
We'll just have to agree to disagree on whether the guy was giving bad instruction or not. I'm not really interested in revisiting that, because i don't care who's right or wrong in that regard. If I got something wrong there, then so be it. I'm not trying to "make my argument better." Like I said before, thats not my focus. And the only thing that I was actually defending was the dude's right to speculate. Also, regardless of whether you feel someone is being foolish, that doesn't give you the right to insult him. As I said earlier, the rules of conduct here are clear. This is what I was calling the dude out for.
Don't get me wrong, I understand your intension, but the best thing you could've done is click the "report" link. No need to defend someone who's speculation has definitive tone in it as if he had an exclusive information about the matter. And about throwing insults, I think you were insulting when you posted "Am I right? or am I right?....", when obviously you were wrong.
Whether I should have reported him or called him out is a matter of opinion. Nobody has the right to insult another person because they simply disagree, so I called him out. You don't think I should have. Thats your opinion. You have the right to your opinion, and I have mine, so there is nothing to say further about that.
"Speculating" about something, and claiming to have "exclusive information about a matter' are two different things, by the way. So just for your clarification, I was defending the poster's right to speculate, not whatever faulty logic that you can pull out of his post. I'm sure you don't disagree that he has that right? And whether or not you think that there was a need for me to defend him is also just another opinion that you are giving, another opinion I respectfully disagree with. There really is no "obvious" indication that I was wrong in that regard, because its your opinion as to whether I should call him out or not. You seem to be calling me out, right? Was there a need?
But at the same time, I will concede to you calling me out on the "am I right or am I right" comment. I meant it more jokingly (because it reminds me of a character in a movie), but I can see how the intensity of the discussion could have caused it to come off as sarcastic. It was unwise. I won't agree with you that it was insulting, though. Either way, silly comments like that can easily aggravate the situation, so I humbly accept your rebuke there, friend. I offer my sincerest apologies for that comment.
I think we should kill this little spat, and continue enjoying the GW2 discussions, don't you?
Very classy.
I also concede and agree to continue on topic on GW2.
I think the Assassin in GW2 is a Mesmer with daggers. Makes sense since an Assassin usually use their charm to get close to the target and create illusions to distract those who are unto them. Then they make the kill, shadow step, then blends among the patrons or pretend to be once of the entertainers.
It's perfect!!!
This sounds like an amazing idea. With skills being linked to weapons it'd be interesting, although... you can change weapons out of combat and switching between an assaassin playstyle and a mesmer playstyle seems a bit much...
I wouldn't disagree with this if it happened however.
Considering all spell casters are using daggers these days in gw2 I wouldn't be surprised...
And they can call the new profession, a hybrid of Mesrmer and Assassin, an Infiltrator.
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They did hint at a class that specialises in enviromental weapons. I think that has a high chance of being one.
I'm guessing of course though.
Some sort of berzerker perhaps?
Maybe. Or a trickster of some sort.
Either way, I'm an altoholic and proud of it. I'm sure I'll have one of each.
You're wrong you're wrong you're wrong.
He stated to the left of the ele...opposite the ranger. That is the necro dude. Can you not find something if it doesnt have a X on it to mark the spot. Read through the logic. To the left of the ele, opposite the ranger. The necro's position fits this description perfectly because the necro is OPPOSITE the ranger and LEFT of the Ele. Damn...didnt know you needed a college degree to understand that shiattt.
EDIT: Either way, the guy thought the character crouching next to the ele, the necro, was an assassin with daggers. He claimed he was 100% right and was shown he was 100% wrong. End of discussion, no need for your tomfoolery rbc.
Not all persons with 2 daggers are an Assassin, it could be some kind of thief or similar. I think it is rather lightly that they use a broader class like a rogue that you can design into a assassin if you want to or something closer to the traditional thief if you prefer that.
The Assassin class as it was in the first GW doesn't really fit into Tyria, it was more or less a Ninja so even if they will call the class assassin it should be different to fit the lore.
As for the 2 daggers, my D&D ranger had 2 daggers (and a longbow), it is not an unheard combo for others than killers for hire. Guild thieves have them in many RPGs.
Will be... no
Could be ... yes
All the above and more should apply depending on spec, the Dougal from the book is just one possible rogueish spec, mainly having means of detecting traps and opening traps, when fighting he tries to dissble and debuff stuff...
Since i am only halfway in the book which is on my ipad that i don't have with me this weekend i hope to be able to tell you more sometime next week.
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Sorry, but unlike you I don't need to resort to rudeness to prove my point. We can just stick with the facts. Since you still can't see it, I'll try to patiently restate it to you again.
Now you are changing what you said. You at first said that he stated, "The character right next to the ranger crouching on the left". When I pointed out that you misquoted him, you responded by saying that "he stated to the left of the ele...opposite the ranger." Now, you seem like you are able to somehow able to quote him correctly, but you still fail to admit that you misquoted him in the first place. If you still don't want to admit that, its not my problem.
And as I said before, it doesn't matter if he was wrong about that shadow being an assassin. Tons of people thought it was, while others thought it to be the necro. And until Arenanet revealed that shadow to be the necro (they just now filled that shadow with the necro picture this morning), then people had the right to keep speculating as to which profession would fill that shadow. There was no 100% wrong or right here. You seemed to have been ridiculously offended by his opinion, and called the dude a blathering fool? Thats what I called you out for, because that was bad form.
If you can't take being called out for something like that, find a different forum, as the "Rules of conduct" are very clear here. You can refer to it if you need a refresher. And now you seem to be dangerously close to turning that same smart attitude in my direction by the look of some of your comments. Its reasons like this that MMORPG is more closely monitoring the forums now, trying to keep conversation fair and enjoyable.
Anyways, I don't want to derail this thread, because I"m interested in the topic. If you still want the last word, then fine, go ahead. I'm just asking that you tone down your rudeness, as its not necessary.
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters."
Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
That was me quoting someone else. Not my own comment, by the way. I never claimed to know what that shadow was. However, as of this morning, we now have confirmation that its the necro.
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters."
Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
This sounds like an amazing idea. With skills being linked to weapons it'd be interesting, although... you can change weapons out of combat and switching between an assaassin playstyle and a mesmer playstyle seems a bit much...
I wouldn't disagree with this if it happened however.
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Considering all spell casters are using daggers these days in gw2 I wouldn't be surprised...
I will at least admit that this would make the profession (whatever the heck it would be called) extremely versatile, and absolutely awesome to play. I'd like being able to switch back and forth to accomodate with the needs of the moment. Plus it would give people a chance to play the class how they want, whether they want to lean more in the direction of an assassin, or focus more in the direction of a mesmer. Its a unique take on the profession.
However, my personal preference for an assassin profession is one that doesn't rely too much on magical skills like the mesmer, nor on extremes such as invisibility or teleportation. I'd prefer a more utility based focus on the heavy use of tools, like poisons (instant damage, damage over time, slow movement, stun, hallucinogenic, etc. Only one poison can be injected at a time.), darts, bombs, illusions, crossbows, and maybe traps (not sure about that one, because it may overlap with the ranger's focus on traps). Also, make the class have to wear light armor as supposed to medium like in most games (AOC's assassin class wears cloth I think?).
Instead of it being a cheap and dirty melee class, this would force it to have to focus more on sneaky tactics and a reliance on tools, because it won't have those extreme skills like invisibility and teleportation (i.e. shadow step). As a bonus, I think an energy draining skill like "silent movement" (suppression of footsteps and voiceovers in PVP, and for PVE it would be the avoidance of aggro when not directly in the mob's line of sight) would also be helpful to still give the class a "stealthy" feel. I think the community would be more likely to appreciate such a take, because it won't allow the class to become as OP as some of the assassin/rogue classes in other games.
Just my thoughts...
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters."
Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
nice post rbc, though if you take away the flashy Assassin skills, it starts feeling like a nerfed Necromancer or a nerfed Warrior (seeming from your description)
If Assassins are in I hope they have some really adaptable combination abilities and something that takes advantage of the new dodge rolls (knockdown turned into a roll would be a nice skill, combined with a quick speed up, call it Momentum, or something
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You make a good point about cloth armour, which is something I always imagined assassins being more likely to wear, being more easily able to blend in with nearby civilians.
Any other ideas on classes that would benefit from being combined? A way to include all the playstyles of gw1? Dervish+Ritualist would be my next favourite idea... Like the shield completely changes the playstyle of warriors. The 4 nonweapon skills will really push the way you play.
edit: It made me a little sad when they said Rangers would need a pet to be effective, since that pretty much denied Assassin style Rangers.
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Just want to point one thing out, you missed the logic also.
"to the left of the ele" is where the Ranger is. Given that the ele is facing you, her left side is where the Ranger is. Now given that position, "opposite the Ranger" cannot be the right side of the ele, otherwise the statement "to the left" will no longer be true.
The Necro as you stated is "to the right of the ele, opposite of the Ranger", not "to the left of the ele". Thus, I have no idea how did you come to that conclusion following the instructions.
So what is opposite of the Ranger, to the left of the ele? I have no clue.
The bottom line is, you guys are getting worked up on bad instructions.
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Quoting jvxmtg:
"So what is opposite of the Ranger, to the left of the ele? I have no clue.
The bottom line is, you guys are getting worked up on bad instructions."
Reply:
Actually, we do now have an idea of what that shadow is. Its the necro. Arenanet finally filled it in with a picture of an asura necro, and they just did it this morning. Either way, if you read my posts, you'll see that this was never the focus of my argument. I personally didn't care what it was, because I was just waiting for Arenanet to fill it in.
Please also note that I was not "getting worked up" over anything, much less "bad instructions". I was calling him out for his unecessary aggression towards another poster, simply over a petty disagreement.
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters."
Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
It was a bad instruction. The Necro is nowhere near the left of the ele, he's on the right. Read my whole post, pls.
Edit: Here's a logic test.
Which hand of the ele is raised? Left hand or Right hand?
Which side is that hand? Left side or right side?
Which side is the Necro?
'nuff said.
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Thanks for your kind comments, Venomzer.
The point of my post is that I'm tired of todays assassins and rogues in games looking more like an anime-inspired ninja. Ninjas tend to have magical powers, allowing them to be almost borderline casters like Ryu in ninja-gaeden. Allowing them to go invisible, or teleport across the battlefield seems too magical, or arcane for my tastes.
In my humble opinion, I've always imagined assassins to be dark and scary, intimidating you when they show up, like in DnD lore. They were not flashy combo using ninjas. Yes, they were shadowy and sneaky, yet they were more focused on efficiency. Thats why I would prefer more of a focus on tools.The assassins and rogues from your standard classic fantasy-lore always relied heavily on actual stealth, sneakiness, and tools. I was hoping to see something like that brought back into the profession.
Now regarding your comment about the cloth wearing feature, my actual point was to make assassin's more vulnerable, which in my opinion is how they should be. They shouldn't be able to stand toe to toe against a warrior for too long, because the warrior's high damage (I think its going to be increased before the final release) and high protection would easily outlast and obliterate the assassin. This makes the assassin have to rely on more crafty and subtle tactics. And it makes the warrior more useful against an un-prepared assassin, because the assassin wouldn't be able to easily melee himself out of danger with a skilled warrior. Warriors are supposed to be the most talented martial artists in a game, with technically more melee skills and options in my opinion. If you want a fast combo based fighter like some of the rogues in other games, then go light armor and light weapons on your warrior. If you want a more durable warrior, then increase the armor. This is just what I'm hoping it would be like.
Back to the assassin. I have to admit that your "blending in with the civilians" idea does sound pretty cool. Maybe give him some kind of skill that allows him to disguise himself as one of the local npcs in the game for 20-30 seconds? (this would need a huge cooldown) That would lead to some really comical ambushes. I'd love to see some of the youtube submissions for that one. LOL
I'm sure most people would think thats too OP though. Nobody seems to think that the necro's after-death shadow form is too OP though....
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters."
Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
I'm not arguing as to whether it was bad instructions. I'm just saying that this was not the focus on my argument with the guy. You said that i was getting worked up over bad instructions, but that was not true. I was calling him out for personally attacking a poster. Thats all.
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters."
Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
Yes you were. You even made a numbered points just to defend the bad instructions. If you have to go thru all that trouble, then yeah, you're getting worked up. Besides, if someone make such a statement and was proven wrong, I would have to agree that he was blabbering like a fool.
And defending a really bad instruction doesn't make your argument any better.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree on whether the guy was giving bad instruction or not. I'm not really interested in revisiting that, because i don't care who's right or wrong in that regard. If I got something wrong there, then so be it. I'm not trying to "make my argument better." Like I said before, thats not my focus. And the only thing that I was actually defending was the dude's right to speculate. Also, regardless of whether you feel someone is being foolish, that doesn't give you the right to insult him. As I said earlier, the rules of conduct here are clear. This is what I was calling the dude out for.
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters."
Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
Don't get me wrong, I understand your intension, but the best thing you could've done is click the "report" link. No need to defend someone who's speculation has definitive tone in it as if he had an exclusive information about the matter. And about throwing insults, I think you were insulting when you posted "Am I right? or am I right?....", when obviously you were wrong.
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Seeing as how the assassin class in GW1 is insanley popular i dont see how they wouldnt put it in GW2. But then again you never know. My guess is that if they dont have it when the game is released then maybe they will include it in an expansion of some sort later on down the line. The kind of combat system that ive seen so far from the gw2 website makes me want them to include the sin, shadow stepping in and out of combat flying around the screen shrowded in darkness...man that would be so bad ass. I would also like to play as a Derv in a more open environment because i like the look of wielding a scythe, being all reaper esque and such.
Whether I should have reported him or called him out is a matter of opinion. Nobody has the right to insult another person because they simply disagree, so I called him out. You don't think I should have. Thats your opinion. You have the right to your opinion, and I have mine, so there is nothing to say further about that.
"Speculating" about something, and claiming to have "exclusive information about a matter' are two different things, by the way. So just for your clarification, I was defending the poster's right to speculate, not whatever faulty logic that you can pull out of his post. I'm sure you don't disagree that he has that right? And whether or not you think that there was a need for me to defend him is also just another opinion that you are giving, another opinion I respectfully disagree with. There really is no "obvious" indication that I was wrong in that regard, because its your opinion as to whether I should call him out or not. You seem to be calling me out, right? Was there a need?
But at the same time, I will concede to you calling me out on the "am I right or am I right" comment. I meant it more jokingly (because it reminds me of a character in a movie), but I can see how the intensity of the discussion could have caused it to come off as sarcastic. It was unwise. I won't agree with you that it was insulting, though. Either way, silly comments like that can easily aggravate the situation, so I humbly accept your rebuke there, friend. I offer my sincerest apologies for that comment.
I think we should kill this little spat, and continue enjoying the GW2 discussions, don't you?
"Everyone dies. It is how one lives that matters."
Artemis Entreri (R.A. Salvatore)
"P.S. MAKE NO DEALS WITH THE WOLF." -Durzo Blint-
"But, there is one they fear.
In their tongue, he is Dovahkiin -- Dragonborn!" -Game of the Century-
Likelihood of the Assassin?
Very high, i would say preety much certain.
Classes i think will be introduced:
- A combo of Mesmer and Assassin, let's call it Duelists.
- A class similar to the DnD Clerics (heavy armor, buffs, debuffs), let's call it Guardian
- Something close to WARs Engineers
- And here lies my doubt...it's either a Mesmer or something totally new...
Scholers: Elementalist, Necromancer, ???
Adventurers: Ranger, Duelist, Engineer
Soldiers: Warrior, Guardian
Very classy.
I also concede and agree to continue on topic on GW2.
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And they can call the new profession, a hybrid of Mesrmer and Assassin, an Infiltrator.
That would be Awsome.
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