Im out looking for a new MMO to get in to. Been toying with EVE online but i wanna expand my options. This has been flagged to me and i wanna know a few things.
Can you give me a rough idea of the time required to get going with PvP (forget player skill, thats a f'n huge variable)
That question is going to ignite this thread. There is huge disagreement on this forum regarding the time required to become PVP viable. Some will tell you 8 months of hardcore basement dwelling and cheetos are needed. Others (like myself) played casually for 2 to 3 months and felt like we had achieved it.
Some seem to enjoy the journey, and their character grows and evolves naturally as they play. Others seem to be fixated on being able to compete 1vs1 very early in their game time. The latter tend to burn out relatively quickly, and they can be very vocal on these forums about it.
But expect at least a couple of months of building your character up.
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Can you give me a rough idea of the time required to get going with PvP (forget player skill, thats a f'n huge variable)
the possible factors in this game affecting the outcome is huge. The use of the geography alone to your advantage or disadvantage is unlike any other.
That said, I am a vet who got wacked by someone doing only 20pnts of damage with a two handed sword becuase he hid in the bushes and was an Orc. given I was fighting pve orcs I had no friggin clue what was going on for 1/2 the fight.
give you perspective on that I think you can get to 20pnts of damage with a two handed in a few days and I am sure I had more hit points then him.
Now I dont want to leave the impression that skill progression doesnt matter, it very much does. I am just saying with a little bit of smarts and luck you can start pvp fairly soon
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Can you give me a rough idea of the time required to get going with PvP (forget player skill, thats a f'n huge variable)
the possible factors in this game affecting the outcome is huge. The use of the geography alone to your advantage or disadvantage is unlike any other.
That said, I am a vet who got wacked by someone doing only 20pnts of damage with a two handed sword becuase he hid in the bushes and was an Orc. given I was fighting pve orcs I had no friggin clue what was going on for 1/2 the fight.
give you perspective on that I think you can get to 20pnts of damage with a two handed in a few days and I am sure I had more hit points then him.
Now I dont want to leave the impression that skill progression doesnt matter, it very much does. I am just saying with a little bit of smarts and luck you can start pvp fairly soon
It sounds good so far. Its good to know the grey matter can help to compensate for character weakness. Im quite eager to get involved in this and i do expect to spend some time becoming PvP viable, just with me i like to get stuck in quickly so i would be looking to get involved sooner rather than later. Now im not after instant gratification but due to the nature of my job im not alawys around to play games, sometimes for extended periods so i need to try and get the most out of it asap.
Originally posted by Eyelids Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Eyelids Good. Can you give me a rough idea of the time required to get going with PvP (forget player skill, thats a f'n huge variable)
the possible factors in this game affecting the outcome is huge. The use of the geography alone to your advantage or disadvantage is unlike any other. That said, I am a vet who got wacked by someone doing only 20pnts of damage with a two handed sword becuase he hid in the bushes and was an Orc. given I was fighting pve orcs I had no friggin clue what was going on for 1/2 the fight. give you perspective on that I think you can get to 20pnts of damage with a two handed in a few days and I am sure I had more hit points then him. Now I dont want to leave the impression that skill progression doesnt matter, it very much does. I am just saying with a little bit of smarts and luck you can start pvp fairly soon It sounds good so far. Its good to know the grey matter can help to compensate for character weakness. Im quite eager to get involved in this and i do expect to spend some time becoming PvP viable, just with me i like to get stuck in quickly so i would be looking to get involved sooner rather than later. Now im not after instant gratification but due to the nature of my job im not alawys around to play games, sometimes for extended periods so i need to try and get the most out of it asap.
In order to answer that in any somewhat accurate way, you'd need to clearly articulate what your goal is and what your timeframe for that goal is. For example: I want to be able to take out vets 1v1 within a month.
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Can you give me a rough idea of the time required to get going with PvP (forget player skill, thats a f'n huge variable)
the possible factors in this game affecting the outcome is huge. The use of the geography alone to your advantage or disadvantage is unlike any other.
That said, I am a vet who got wacked by someone doing only 20pnts of damage with a two handed sword becuase he hid in the bushes and was an Orc. given I was fighting pve orcs I had no friggin clue what was going on for 1/2 the fight.
give you perspective on that I think you can get to 20pnts of damage with a two handed in a few days and I am sure I had more hit points then him.
Now I dont want to leave the impression that skill progression doesnt matter, it very much does. I am just saying with a little bit of smarts and luck you can start pvp fairly soon
It sounds good so far. Its good to know the grey matter can help to compensate for character weakness. Im quite eager to get involved in this and i do expect to spend some time becoming PvP viable, just with me i like to get stuck in quickly so i would be looking to get involved sooner rather than later. Now im not after instant gratification but due to the nature of my job im not alawys around to play games, sometimes for extended periods so i need to try and get the most out of it asap.
In order to answer that in any somewhat accurate way, you'd need to clearly articulate what your goal is and what your timeframe for that goal is. For example: I want to be able to take out vets 1v1 within a month.
which if vet doesnt have a melee weapon and the noob does its entirelly possible.
Sorry I am QQing over melee being overpowered compared to archery and magic, its my main complaint about the game.
but your right, depends on the objective. Darkfall players do tend to fixate on 1vs1 which removes the possiblity for balanced team play such as what a healer would do etc.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Can you give me a rough idea of the time required to get going with PvP (forget player skill, thats a f'n huge variable)
the possible factors in this game affecting the outcome is huge. The use of the geography alone to your advantage or disadvantage is unlike any other.
That said, I am a vet who got wacked by someone doing only 20pnts of damage with a two handed sword becuase he hid in the bushes and was an Orc. given I was fighting pve orcs I had no friggin clue what was going on for 1/2 the fight.
give you perspective on that I think you can get to 20pnts of damage with a two handed in a few days and I am sure I had more hit points then him.
Now I dont want to leave the impression that skill progression doesnt matter, it very much does. I am just saying with a little bit of smarts and luck you can start pvp fairly soon
It sounds good so far. Its good to know the grey matter can help to compensate for character weakness. Im quite eager to get involved in this and i do expect to spend some time becoming PvP viable, just with me i like to get stuck in quickly so i would be looking to get involved sooner rather than later. Now im not after instant gratification but due to the nature of my job im not alawys around to play games, sometimes for extended periods so i need to try and get the most out of it asap.
In order to answer that in any somewhat accurate way, you'd need to clearly articulate what your goal is and what your timeframe for that goal is. For example: I want to be able to take out vets 1v1 within a month.
I shall accomodate your request. Allow me to elaborate on my objective. With Darkfall I would be looking to start mixing it up with PvP on a regular basis ASAP. Now whether that may be starting with other new players but I would like to get a bit more involved by the second week. Taking on the more experienced. If you believe its possible to be vet 1v1 pvp viable within a month then perhaps you could direct me to some good links on achieving this, or perhaps you have some pearls of wisdom to impart yourself. My time frame is approx 3-4 weeks before I'll be out for say 1-2 months, so as you can see I would like to make the most of my time and actually accomplish something beyond the grind.
Originally posted by SEANMCAD Originally posted by Nizur
Originally posted by Eyelids
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Eyelids Good. Can you give me a rough idea of the time required to get going with PvP (forget player skill, thats a f'n huge variable)
the possible factors in this game affecting the outcome is huge. The use of the geography alone to your advantage or disadvantage is unlike any other. That said, I am a vet who got wacked by someone doing only 20pnts of damage with a two handed sword becuase he hid in the bushes and was an Orc. given I was fighting pve orcs I had no friggin clue what was going on for 1/2 the fight. give you perspective on that I think you can get to 20pnts of damage with a two handed in a few days and I am sure I had more hit points then him. Now I dont want to leave the impression that skill progression doesnt matter, it very much does. I am just saying with a little bit of smarts and luck you can start pvp fairly soon
It sounds good so far. Its good to know the grey matter can help to compensate for character weakness. Im quite eager to get involved in this and i do expect to spend some time becoming PvP viable, just with me i like to get stuck in quickly so i would be looking to get involved sooner rather than later. Now im not after instant gratification but due to the nature of my job im not alawys around to play games, sometimes for extended periods so i need to try and get the most out of it asap.
In order to answer that in any somewhat accurate way, you'd need to clearly articulate what your goal is and what your timeframe for that goal is. For example: I want to be able to take out vets 1v1 within a month. which if vet doesnt have a melee weapon and the noob does its entirelly possible. Sorry I am QQing over melee being overpowered compared to archery and magic, its my main complaint about the game. but your right, depends on the objective. Darkfall players do tend to fixate on 1vs1 which removes the possiblity for balanced team play such as what a healer would do etc.
A lot of PvPers focus on 1v1, not just in DF. I'm not sure why. I think it's much more fun and challenging when you're in a small group of weaker players trying to tackle a good vet. You can work as a team. Use the terrain around you. Fight and heal smart. If you make a mistake, you pay for it. And if you beat them, the feeling of accomplishment is great. 1v1 can also bring these feelings, but it's just not as exciting or fun for me.
It's like mini-boss fight, but instead of being some scripted instance, your adversary is hopefully unpredictable, deadly and smart.
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Originally posted by Eyelids Originally posted by Nizur In order to answer that in any somewhat accurate way, you'd need to clearly articulate what your goal is and what your timeframe for that goal is. For example: I want to be able to take out vets 1v1 within a month.
I shall accomodate your request. Allow me to elaborate on my objective. With Darkfall I would be looking to start mixing it up with PvP on a regular basis ASAP. Now whether that may be starting with other new players but I would like to get a bit more involved by the second week. Taking on the more experienced. If you believe its possible to be vet 1v1 pvp viable within a month then perhaps you could direct me to some good links on achieving this, or perhaps you have some pearls of wisdom to impart yourself. My time frame is approx 3-4 weeks before I'll be out for say 1-2 months, so as you can see I would like to make the most of my time and actually accomplish something beyond the grind.
That's a bit tight, but you can mix it up in group PvP within a week or so if you can put some decent time into it per day, say 3-4 hrs. That's mainly working on your 2-hander, archery and some basic magic including heals. Your main role in group PvP will not be on the front line during that time unless you like dying quickly in battle. You'll be shooting arrows, healing and generally being a nuisance to your opponents instead of a genuine threat.
You can't mix it up 1v1 with vets within a month unless you literally have no life or cheat non-stop that whole first month. Even then I don't think you could do it.
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A lot of PvPers focus on 1v1, not just in DF. I'm not sure why. I think it's much more fun and challenging when you're in a small group of weaker players trying to tackle a good vet. You can work as a team. Use the terrain around you. Fight and heal smart. If you make a mistake, you pay for it. And if you beat them, the feeling of accomplishment is great. 1v1 can also bring these feelings, but it's just not as exciting or fun for me.
It's like mini-boss fight, but instead of being some scripted instance, your adversary is hopefully unpredictable, deadly and smart.
right, you could have every buff other and AOE spell maxed and those skills are fantastic in group and war but with those skill would lose at 1vs1
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I shall accomodate your request. Allow me to elaborate on my objective. With Darkfall I would be looking to start mixing it up with PvP on a regular basis ASAP. Now whether that may be starting with other new players but I would like to get a bit more involved by the second week. Taking on the more experienced. If you believe its possible to be vet 1v1 pvp viable within a month then perhaps you could direct me to some good links on achieving this, or perhaps you have some pearls of wisdom to impart yourself. My time frame is approx 3-4 weeks before I'll be out for say 1-2 months, so as you can see I would like to make the most of my time and actually accomplish something beyond the grind.
I'm sure I will probably stir up the hornets nest by saying this, but you probably won't reach 1v1 viability versus vets in the first few months. It takes longer than that by almost everyone's estimation...
Although I think you can get there a lot quicker with a guild behind you showing you the most efficient ways to progress.
Group up, find similar minded players (should not be to hard in DF right?)
Train up on the essential pvp skills quickly
Any recommended reading out there to help the first few days of play run that much smoother? I got a few more days here until i can get to a reliable connection to actually try this out.
I've got around 10 hours a day for the next month for the right game. Yep i aint got a life back home, i do my living when i out the country. Factor that in and i should be getting somewhere by week 3.
honestly, you won't become a good foe in only 3-4 weeks of grinding. It does take time, even if you've got the money and constantly grind fighting mobs. But in 3-4 weeks if you know what you're doing you can Get somewhere and also be able to pvp, not as a factor though. I made a trial and played for 2 days (I'm a vet and know what to do though) and had 65 GA, Greater magic, all my transfers, about 68 archery, and I had completed my 2nd Strength quest. If you have the grind mode state of mind and grind for atleast 8hours + a day you can probably do it, but you will be squishy.
also just a tip; stay around the starter cities as a new comer. Don't join a clan yet, you will need to stick around that city completing quests and buying skills. Many people might tell you to join a clan but that can delay your grinding and get yourself ganked in starter cities. You really dont want that when you've got a deadline and are aiming to grind in such a short amount of time. Hopefully if you start you can get helped out by a vet. I know Screw L00se tends to help out Orks and tries to take them on adventures. Maybe you can see if he will help you. Good luck
ps. also that VR vid is a great help, be sure to check it out.
Oh and also Seanmccad, you're silly thinking Melee is OP. You can easily choose not to go into melee range and it's simple to stay out of it. It's got the high damage because its the most common grinded skill, and its only melee, it has no range which is why it hits hard.
Im out looking for a new MMO to get in to. Been toying with EVE online but i wanna expand my options. This has been flagged to me and i wanna know a few things.
Whats PvP like?
Whats the griefing state like?
Does this game hate carebears?
Ta ta
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I really suggest that you do the trial. You won't get much out of ANY comments here either good or bad. I play DF (relatively new) and like it but there are certain things I don't like as well. Much has to do with personal taste rather then whether DF is a good game or not. So, just give it a try and put in as many hours as you can.
Im out looking for a new MMO to get in to. Been toying with EVE online but i wanna expand my options. This has been flagged to me and i wanna know a few things.
Whats PvP like?
Whats the griefing state like?
Does this game hate carebears?
Ta ta
E
I really suggest that you do the trial. You won't get much out of ANY comments here either good or bad. I play DF (relatively new) and like it but there are certain things I don't like as well. Much has to do with personal taste rather then whether DF is a good game or not. So, just give it a try and put in as many hours as you can.
agreed!
If you join a clan like NEW or something you should at least be able to get a sense of what the game experience is like even though you might not get to do everything.
I would suggest to people to NOT play any game they do not enjoy playing thinking that their enjoyment might be better later, it needs to be satisfying now for it to be worth it, therefore for the first week do not focus on the numbers, just explore and do stuff
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Im out looking for a new MMO to get in to. Been toying with EVE online but i wanna expand my options. This has been flagged to me and i wanna know a few things.
Whats PvP like?
Whats the griefing state like?
Does this game hate carebears?
Ta ta
E
Welcome to Darkfall!
I joined as a FFA PVP game griefer 16 months ago but eventually because this game is clan vs clan you get to know people in a very different way. To experience a lot of the content you will need friends and the content is a hell of a lot more fun than griefing people.
I have been very carebear lately since I am currently blue living in an NPC city. The PVPers have the best loot and if I can get the noobs to trust me or get some kind of reputation going than I will get the word faster when there is loot in my area and make a better profit than I would from killing the newer players around me since they have nothing that I want.
I want the noobs to grow strong and healthy so that I can take their stuff later in the game but I am definitely a kill and ask questions later person if someone is a potential threat.
It is nice to be able to camp someone that you don't like out of the game lol but sucks when it happens to you. It is really pretty rare though since it is so easy to avoid in such a huge world. I want this game to grow so I do not ever grief trial players but I will kill them if they have harvesting mats.
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Even up reaching a certain stat/skill level you will need to learn how to PvP correctly. And that's a whole nother ball game. PvP intermittently while grinding up and try to gain better understandings of player movement and tactics. It will help you in the end.
note about vid 1: when you get a skinning knife make sure your skinning the tombs. it would also behoove you to not eat the Cheese the weaker mobs drop! seriously... dont eat the cheese, its needed to make better foods.
note: this third link is pretty cool. it allows you to created your own map which can be open to the public or password protected. I've created my own map and every once in awhile i'll open up the first link (YOURMOM map) and this personal map and if something is missing then i'll just add it. its a nice way to get around that bandwidth issue
May i suggest that you either go with Greatswords or Greataxes for your Two Handed melee weapon. the Greatswords have nice reach and they swing pretty fast, while the Greataxes have a shorter reach, swing slower but hit like a truck. You'll also be looting these weapons the most off of player graves anyways.
AV nerfed the swing speed of Polearms so they aren't really worth a damn anymore, greatclubs just fail, Knifes work wonders when it comes to PVE however you'll be gimping yourself when it comes to pvp since they have such a short reach. Now thats not saying they dont have a place in pvp, they do, but you dont find yourself in situations where Knifes would help you out that often when your first starting out.
whatever you do, just dont go with Polearms.
and with a quick scan on the darkfall forums i found these links that are a bit dated but they may help.
one last thing, when you die and are lying on the ground you can finish yourself off once the bleed out bar is around 30% full. this will save you some time.
May i suggest that you either go with Greatswords or Greataxes for your Two Handed melee weapon. the Greatswords have nice reach and they swing pretty fast, while the Greataxes have a shorter reach, swing slower but hit like a truck. You'll also be looting these weapons the most off of player graves anyways.
AV nerfed the swing speed of Polearms so they aren't really worth a damn anymore, greatclubs just fail, Knifes work wonders when it comes to PVE however you'll be gimping yourself when it comes to pvp since they have such a short reach. Now thats not saying they dont have a place in pvp, they do, but you dont find yourself in situations where Knifes would help you out that often when your first starting out.
whatever you do, just dont go with Polearms.
Whatever dude polearms rule 1vs1 melee and there is no level cap. I recommend both polearms and greataxe/daggers/greatsword and a second 2hd weapon on top of 1hd if you are going for the best melee.
Keep polearms for their kiting for sure. If you dont want to kite ever and just want to charge than go with something else but poles are still great weapons if you know how to use them.
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Yes, polearms are nice for kitting but its harder trying to farm with them due to their slow swing rate. If the guy is trying to get as far as he can in 3 - 4 weeks then i dont see how picking up polearms to start out with is a wise choice.
Yes, polearms are nice for kitting but its harder trying to farm with them due to their slow swing rate. If the guy is trying to get as far as he can in 3 - 4 weeks then i dont see how picking up polearms to start out with is a wise choice.
true dat but I have hundreds of prepatch rank 0s mwahahaha!
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To do this find someone who can apply haste while you PvE (don't macro it is a waste of time). Figth tough mobs and keep each other healed. Use appropriate ranked waepon so that you can kill the mobs with as little down time as possible (don't kill too fast).
eat food. KKeep food buff up always.
2. Pick either archery or magic (both are viable)
A. (Archery) To raise archery simply hunt fast spawning mobs which drop arrows. Goblins, kobolds, raven standards, undead dorfs, orcs, etc.
B. (Magic) find easy mobs which drop regs and use the regs while you hunt. Pick and raise 1 school at a time.
You will find it hard to grind for regs. haivng melee to keep hunting and making gold will allow you to simply buy regs from the vendor. I recommend worry little about farmign regs as it is easier to make gold to buy regs.
3. High magic (long don the road)
Goals are:
getting 100 in a school
getting 75+ in an R50 and R90/100
getting 75+ in your ray spells (insta cast)
Secondary Skills:
Raise these while you focus train.
Lesser magic to 50. Use mana missile and heal as much as possible.
Use the LM heal other spell as much as possible
Use all of your transfer spells (mana2stam, stam2health,health2mana)
Greater Magic to 50. Required to open up elemental magic lines (even if you go destroyer or indestructable)
Use heal other as much as possible. This is a bread and butter spell
Witchcraft -> 75. This will take a small amount of grinding to do quickly. Simply debuff slow moving mobs (golems, bears, crog, hivekin, etc). Purpose for 25 WC is getting witchhes brew.
Spell chanting -> 25. Get sacrifice, use it often.
Practice
Practice often
live PvP is no substitue for 1v1 and Group vs Group sparring. You will learn far more about your keybinds and useful skills/playstyle while sparrign than trying to pvP int eh world. Only your buddies are going to watch you and make sure:
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Well....PvP is fun, but it takes a while to get there.
Griefing....is pretty popular, especially around Human Lands. Other areas are "alright".
I guess the answer would be "Yes". If you make a suggestion seened as carebear, ya better be ready for the incoming rage :P
Does open PvP with full loot appeal to you? If so, do the tiral, If not, don't.
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what a long, strange trip it's been". -Hunter
Good.
Can you give me a rough idea of the time required to get going with PvP (forget player skill, thats a f'n huge variable)
That question is going to ignite this thread. There is huge disagreement on this forum regarding the time required to become PVP viable. Some will tell you 8 months of hardcore basement dwelling and cheetos are needed. Others (like myself) played casually for 2 to 3 months and felt like we had achieved it.
Some seem to enjoy the journey, and their character grows and evolves naturally as they play. Others seem to be fixated on being able to compete 1vs1 very early in their game time. The latter tend to burn out relatively quickly, and they can be very vocal on these forums about it.
But expect at least a couple of months of building your character up.
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the possible factors in this game affecting the outcome is huge. The use of the geography alone to your advantage or disadvantage is unlike any other.
That said, I am a vet who got wacked by someone doing only 20pnts of damage with a two handed sword becuase he hid in the bushes and was an Orc. given I was fighting pve orcs I had no friggin clue what was going on for 1/2 the fight.
give you perspective on that I think you can get to 20pnts of damage with a two handed in a few days and I am sure I had more hit points then him.
Now I dont want to leave the impression that skill progression doesnt matter, it very much does. I am just saying with a little bit of smarts and luck you can start pvp fairly soon
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
It sounds good so far. Its good to know the grey matter can help to compensate for character weakness. Im quite eager to get involved in this and i do expect to spend some time becoming PvP viable, just with me i like to get stuck in quickly so i would be looking to get involved sooner rather than later. Now im not after instant gratification but due to the nature of my job im not alawys around to play games, sometimes for extended periods so i need to try and get the most out of it asap.
That said, I am a vet who got wacked by someone doing only 20pnts of damage with a two handed sword becuase he hid in the bushes and was an Orc. given I was fighting pve orcs I had no friggin clue what was going on for 1/2 the fight.
give you perspective on that I think you can get to 20pnts of damage with a two handed in a few days and I am sure I had more hit points then him.
Now I dont want to leave the impression that skill progression doesnt matter, it very much does. I am just saying with a little bit of smarts and luck you can start pvp fairly soon
It sounds good so far. Its good to know the grey matter can help to compensate for character weakness. Im quite eager to get involved in this and i do expect to spend some time becoming PvP viable, just with me i like to get stuck in quickly so i would be looking to get involved sooner rather than later. Now im not after instant gratification but due to the nature of my job im not alawys around to play games, sometimes for extended periods so i need to try and get the most out of it asap.
In order to answer that in any somewhat accurate way, you'd need to clearly articulate what your goal is and what your timeframe for that goal is. For example: I want to be able to take out vets 1v1 within a month.
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which if vet doesnt have a melee weapon and the noob does its entirelly possible.
Sorry I am QQing over melee being overpowered compared to archery and magic, its my main complaint about the game.
but your right, depends on the objective. Darkfall players do tend to fixate on 1vs1 which removes the possiblity for balanced team play such as what a healer would do etc.
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I shall accomodate your request. Allow me to elaborate on my objective. With Darkfall I would be looking to start mixing it up with PvP on a regular basis ASAP. Now whether that may be starting with other new players but I would like to get a bit more involved by the second week. Taking on the more experienced. If you believe its possible to be vet 1v1 pvp viable within a month then perhaps you could direct me to some good links on achieving this, or perhaps you have some pearls of wisdom to impart yourself. My time frame is approx 3-4 weeks before I'll be out for say 1-2 months, so as you can see I would like to make the most of my time and actually accomplish something beyond the grind.
the possible factors in this game affecting the outcome is huge. The use of the geography alone to your advantage or disadvantage is unlike any other.
That said, I am a vet who got wacked by someone doing only 20pnts of damage with a two handed sword becuase he hid in the bushes and was an Orc. given I was fighting pve orcs I had no friggin clue what was going on for 1/2 the fight.
give you perspective on that I think you can get to 20pnts of damage with a two handed in a few days and I am sure I had more hit points then him.
Now I dont want to leave the impression that skill progression doesnt matter, it very much does. I am just saying with a little bit of smarts and luck you can start pvp fairly soon
It sounds good so far. Its good to know the grey matter can help to compensate for character weakness. Im quite eager to get involved in this and i do expect to spend some time becoming PvP viable, just with me i like to get stuck in quickly so i would be looking to get involved sooner rather than later. Now im not after instant gratification but due to the nature of my job im not alawys around to play games, sometimes for extended periods so i need to try and get the most out of it asap.
In order to answer that in any somewhat accurate way, you'd need to clearly articulate what your goal is and what your timeframe for that goal is. For example: I want to be able to take out vets 1v1 within a month.
which if vet doesnt have a melee weapon and the noob does its entirelly possible.
Sorry I am QQing over melee being overpowered compared to archery and magic, its my main complaint about the game.
but your right, depends on the objective. Darkfall players do tend to fixate on 1vs1 which removes the possiblity for balanced team play such as what a healer would do etc.
A lot of PvPers focus on 1v1, not just in DF. I'm not sure why. I think it's much more fun and challenging when you're in a small group of weaker players trying to tackle a good vet. You can work as a team. Use the terrain around you. Fight and heal smart. If you make a mistake, you pay for it. And if you beat them, the feeling of accomplishment is great. 1v1 can also bring these feelings, but it's just not as exciting or fun for me.
It's like mini-boss fight, but instead of being some scripted instance, your adversary is hopefully unpredictable, deadly and smart.
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I shall accomodate your request. Allow me to elaborate on my objective. With Darkfall I would be looking to start mixing it up with PvP on a regular basis ASAP. Now whether that may be starting with other new players but I would like to get a bit more involved by the second week. Taking on the more experienced. If you believe its possible to be vet 1v1 pvp viable within a month then perhaps you could direct me to some good links on achieving this, or perhaps you have some pearls of wisdom to impart yourself. My time frame is approx 3-4 weeks before I'll be out for say 1-2 months, so as you can see I would like to make the most of my time and actually accomplish something beyond the grind.
That's a bit tight, but you can mix it up in group PvP within a week or so if you can put some decent time into it per day, say 3-4 hrs. That's mainly working on your 2-hander, archery and some basic magic including heals. Your main role in group PvP will not be on the front line during that time unless you like dying quickly in battle. You'll be shooting arrows, healing and generally being a nuisance to your opponents instead of a genuine threat.
You can't mix it up 1v1 with vets within a month unless you literally have no life or cheat non-stop that whole first month. Even then I don't think you could do it.
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right, you could have every buff other and AOE spell maxed and those skills are fantastic in group and war but with those skill would lose at 1vs1
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I'm sure I will probably stir up the hornets nest by saying this, but you probably won't reach 1v1 viability versus vets in the first few months. It takes longer than that by almost everyone's estimation...
Although I think you can get there a lot quicker with a guild behind you showing you the most efficient ways to progress.
So from what i can take from this is to:
Join a guild that supports n00bs
Group up, find similar minded players (should not be to hard in DF right?)
Train up on the essential pvp skills quickly
Any recommended reading out there to help the first few days of play run that much smoother? I got a few more days here until i can get to a reliable connection to actually try this out.
I've got around 10 hours a day for the next month for the right game. Yep i aint got a life back home, i do my living when i out the country. Factor that in and i should be getting somewhere by week 3.
A good video series to watch was made by Valroth. You can see it here.
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honestly, you won't become a good foe in only 3-4 weeks of grinding. It does take time, even if you've got the money and constantly grind fighting mobs. But in 3-4 weeks if you know what you're doing you can Get somewhere and also be able to pvp, not as a factor though. I made a trial and played for 2 days (I'm a vet and know what to do though) and had 65 GA, Greater magic, all my transfers, about 68 archery, and I had completed my 2nd Strength quest. If you have the grind mode state of mind and grind for atleast 8hours + a day you can probably do it, but you will be squishy.
also just a tip; stay around the starter cities as a new comer. Don't join a clan yet, you will need to stick around that city completing quests and buying skills. Many people might tell you to join a clan but that can delay your grinding and get yourself ganked in starter cities. You really dont want that when you've got a deadline and are aiming to grind in such a short amount of time. Hopefully if you start you can get helped out by a vet. I know Screw L00se tends to help out Orks and tries to take them on adventures. Maybe you can see if he will help you. Good luck
ps. also that VR vid is a great help, be sure to check it out.
Oh and also Seanmccad, you're silly thinking Melee is OP. You can easily choose not to go into melee range and it's simple to stay out of it. It's got the high damage because its the most common grinded skill, and its only melee, it has no range which is why it hits hard.
I really suggest that you do the trial. You won't get much out of ANY comments here either good or bad. I play DF (relatively new) and like it but there are certain things I don't like as well. Much has to do with personal taste rather then whether DF is a good game or not. So, just give it a try and put in as many hours as you can.
Let's party like it is 1863!
agreed!
If you join a clan like NEW or something you should at least be able to get a sense of what the game experience is like even though you might not get to do everything.
I would suggest to people to NOT play any game they do not enjoy playing thinking that their enjoyment might be better later, it needs to be satisfying now for it to be worth it, therefore for the first week do not focus on the numbers, just explore and do stuff
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Welcome to Darkfall!
I joined as a FFA PVP game griefer 16 months ago but eventually because this game is clan vs clan you get to know people in a very different way. To experience a lot of the content you will need friends and the content is a hell of a lot more fun than griefing people.
I have been very carebear lately since I am currently blue living in an NPC city. The PVPers have the best loot and if I can get the noobs to trust me or get some kind of reputation going than I will get the word faster when there is loot in my area and make a better profit than I would from killing the newer players around me since they have nothing that I want.
I want the noobs to grow strong and healthy so that I can take their stuff later in the game but I am definitely a kill and ask questions later person if someone is a potential threat.
It is nice to be able to camp someone that you don't like out of the game lol but sucks when it happens to you. It is really pretty rare though since it is so easy to avoid in such a huge world. I want this game to grow so I do not ever grief trial players but I will kill them if they have harvesting mats.
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Even up reaching a certain stat/skill level you will need to learn how to PvP correctly. And that's a whole nother ball game. PvP intermittently while grinding up and try to gain better understandings of player movement and tactics. It will help you in the end.
man, if your trying to get pvp viable in 3 - 4 weeks then be prepared to grind your butt off!
someone mentioned the VR videos...
pt1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDgGgunLhmA
note about vid 1: when you get a skinning knife make sure your skinning the tombs. it would also behoove you to not eat the Cheese the weaker mobs drop! seriously... dont eat the cheese, its needed to make better foods.
pt2
http://www.youtube.com/user/DFValroth#p/u/4/6CrxiN4pdHU
pt3
http://www.youtube.com/user/DFValroth#p/u/2/Q5e19MP4AW4
pt4
http://www.youtube.com/user/DFValroth#p/u/1/4uTYTpT6Sd8
Once you figure out which race your going to play as check out these links to help you learn where the closest easy mob spawns are:
http://www.feylines.net/yourmom/
Note: this website has a bandwidth limit so use it sparingly.
http://www.afraidyet.net/forums/misc.php?do=page&template=Darkfall_Map
outdated but still works
note: this third link is pretty cool. it allows you to created your own map which can be open to the public or password protected. I've created my own map and every once in awhile i'll open up the first link (YOURMOM map) and this personal map and if something is missing then i'll just add it. its a nice way to get around that bandwidth issue
http://www.mydarkfallmap.com/
If you need something made or start to craft heres a spreedsheet:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=r4w-x_H4FZM-80qjt1Sv5Bw&output=html
May i suggest that you either go with Greatswords or Greataxes for your Two Handed melee weapon. the Greatswords have nice reach and they swing pretty fast, while the Greataxes have a shorter reach, swing slower but hit like a truck. You'll also be looting these weapons the most off of player graves anyways.
AV nerfed the swing speed of Polearms so they aren't really worth a damn anymore, greatclubs just fail, Knifes work wonders when it comes to PVE however you'll be gimping yourself when it comes to pvp since they have such a short reach. Now thats not saying they dont have a place in pvp, they do, but you dont find yourself in situations where Knifes would help you out that often when your first starting out.
whatever you do, just dont go with Polearms.
and with a quick scan on the darkfall forums i found these links that are a bit dated but they may help.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=227122
http://bannerfall.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/tt-the-gold-grind-knowing-is-half-the-battle/#more-207
http://bannerfall.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/tt-leveling-magic-the-tedious-path-to-greatness/
one last thing, when you die and are lying on the ground you can finish yourself off once the bleed out bar is around 30% full. this will save you some time.
Good Luck and "Welcome to Darkfall"
Whatever dude polearms rule 1vs1 melee and there is no level cap. I recommend both polearms and greataxe/daggers/greatsword and a second 2hd weapon on top of 1hd if you are going for the best melee.
Keep polearms for their kiting for sure. If you dont want to kite ever and just want to charge than go with something else but poles are still great weapons if you know how to use them.
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Yes, polearms are nice for kitting but its harder trying to farm with them due to their slow swing rate. If the guy is trying to get as far as he can in 3 - 4 weeks then i dont see how picking up polearms to start out with is a wise choice.
true dat but I have hundreds of prepatch rank 0s mwahahaha!
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Bunion's Brief guide to PvP viability:
1. Get melee mastery (50+)
To do this find someone who can apply haste while you PvE (don't macro it is a waste of time). Figth tough mobs and keep each other healed. Use appropriate ranked waepon so that you can kill the mobs with as little down time as possible (don't kill too fast).
eat food. KKeep food buff up always.
2. Pick either archery or magic (both are viable)
A. (Archery) To raise archery simply hunt fast spawning mobs which drop arrows. Goblins, kobolds, raven standards, undead dorfs, orcs, etc.
B. (Magic) find easy mobs which drop regs and use the regs while you hunt. Pick and raise 1 school at a time.
You will find it hard to grind for regs. haivng melee to keep hunting and making gold will allow you to simply buy regs from the vendor. I recommend worry little about farmign regs as it is easier to make gold to buy regs.
3. High magic (long don the road)
Goals are:
getting 100 in a school
getting 75+ in an R50 and R90/100
getting 75+ in your ray spells (insta cast)
Secondary Skills:
Raise these while you focus train.
Lesser magic to 50. Use mana missile and heal as much as possible.
Use the LM heal other spell as much as possible
Use all of your transfer spells (mana2stam, stam2health,health2mana)
Greater Magic to 50. Required to open up elemental magic lines (even if you go destroyer or indestructable)
Use heal other as much as possible. This is a bread and butter spell
Witchcraft -> 75. This will take a small amount of grinding to do quickly. Simply debuff slow moving mobs (golems, bears, crog, hivekin, etc). Purpose for 25 WC is getting witchhes brew.
Spell chanting -> 25. Get sacrifice, use it often.
Practice
Practice often
live PvP is no substitue for 1v1 and Group vs Group sparring. You will learn far more about your keybinds and useful skills/playstyle while sparrign than trying to pvP int eh world. Only your buddies are going to watch you and make sure:
Your gear is appropriate
You don't show your back
You don't run in straight lines
You stat up regularly