There's a difference between policing and adjudicating. The first duty in policing is to stop the perpetrator and round up everyone suspected of involvement. Blame the guild member that exploited, not the GM.
The principals in the "scandal" have their own website. If they want to confirm what they supposedly said the can do so on the public portion of their forums, which they have not. Short of that, it is an unsubstantiated rumor.
As noted in my prior post. Guildleader GMs= no true at this time (if it ever was). oshi is pointing to the finances as something that made the rumor suspect.
There's a difference between policing and adjudicating. The first duty in policing is to stop the perpetrator and round up everyone suspected of involvement. Blame the guild member that exploited, not the GM.
The principals in the "scandal" have their own website. If they want to confirm what they supposedly said the can do so on the public portion of their forums, which they have not. Short of that, it is an unsubstantiated rumor.
As noted in my prior post. Guildleader GMs= no true at this time (if it ever was). oshi is pointing to the finances as something that made the rumor suspect.
@ Osmunda. Yes the quote you posted actually ENFORCES the claim:
We do not have any more GMs that are playing the game, the ones we have now is not biased
"Any more" indicates that there WERE. Which is axactly what was claimed. One GM (Tiamat) was a volunteer and a GuildLeader. She left... now there aren't "any more" currently. Thank you for that quote.
Also, the story BEHIND that quote (which I am sure you are familiar with) involves HighCouncelors issuing bans on players. So you can throw the current High Councelors into the same boat as the former GM. After all, a Rose by any other name is still a Rose... and a player/guildleader that can ban other players in a guild vs guild (player vs player) game is the same whether it be called a GM or a High Councelor.
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The accusations could be true ofc, but I hope that's not the sole basis for all this drama. I don't want to invest time and money in a game that's poorly operated, but I don't wanna drop a game based on internet drama either (there's not a lot of games that appeals to me, hence why I was interested in an indy (read: buggy) mmo).
I am curious. What "proof" would you require other than the GM/Players in question posting like they did... with no denial from the company? The people in question even posted their official Emails from SV to their GM accounts....
Honestly?
Your source is a person who claims that StarVault is falsifing business records. This is probably the number 1 issue (at least it SHOULD BE) of the whole "scandal" ! The funny part is this isnt the issue that most people are focusing on including you.
I believe perhaps you confused your reply and it was meant for someone else. At no time did I focus on any claim that SV was "falsifying business records". I do not believe I even mentioned this... but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
What I DID focus on was the fact that it is very, VERY bad business to allow someone who is a Guildleader to vollunteer as a GM in a full-loot, FFA, PvP, sandbox, MMORPG currently focused on Guild vs Guild territory control (at least when they are GMs on the same server they are leading a guild on).
As for the trustworthiness of the people involved well that leads to one of two possibilities. The first is that they put untrustworthy people into the GM role (which certainly adds to the suspicion of GM abuse). The second is that they put trustworthy people into the GM role (which adds credence to the claims these people are making about SV).
EIther way.. Guildleader GMs = baaaaad idea.
I think you didnt read or at least misread the statement.
My post was more amusal that you chose to focus on some issues yet COMPLETELY ignore other issues because you would have a impossible time defending or getting anyone to believe it was true. Your position in previous threads and somewhat in this one is that this man is real and honest and ALL THE INFORMATION has been posted when in fact, I saw the extent of a login screenshot and thats about it.
IMO this pastebin is more akin to throwing shit on a wall and seeing what sticks. Flies seem to be loving it though.
I think you didnt read or at least misread the statement.
My post was more amusal that you chose to focus on some issues yet COMPLETELY ignore other issues because you would have a impossible time defending or getting anyone to believe it was true. Your position in previous threads and somewhat in this one is that this man is real and honest and ALL THE INFORMATION has been posted when in fact, I saw the extent of a login screenshot and thats about it.
IMO this pastebin is more akin to throwing shit on a wall and seeing what sticks. Flies seem to be loving it though.
Well I in turn, believe you didn't read, or misread my prior statements because my "position in previous posts" has not been that ALL THE INFORMATION is 100% legit. My stance from the beginning is that all the allegations are simply gravy while the main killer is the simple fact that SV allowed guildleaders to have GM powers (including BAN) in a full-loot, FFA, PvP sandbox MMORPG focused on Guild vs Guild territory control....
That killer fact was even confirmed by SV in the quote provided by Osmunda. So now that we have that settled.. it becomes a matter of trustworthiness of the principals regarding the allegations. See my post above ( http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3765795 ) for the two scenarios that creates.
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@hodo:
There's a difference between policing and adjudicating. The first duty in policing is to stop the perpetrator and round up everyone suspected of involvement. Blame the guild member that exploited, not the GM.
@Oshi & slapshot:
The principals in the "scandal" have their own website. If they want to confirm what they supposedly said the can do so on the public portion of their forums, which they have not. Short of that, it is an unsubstantiated rumor.
@slapshot:
As noted in my prior post. Guildleader GMs= no true at this time (if it ever was). oshi is pointing to the finances as something that made the rumor suspect.
@ Osmunda. Yes the quote you posted actually ENFORCES the claim:
We do not have any more GMs that are playing the game, the ones we have now is not biased
"Any more" indicates that there WERE. Which is axactly what was claimed. One GM (Tiamat) was a volunteer and a GuildLeader. She left... now there aren't "any more" currently. Thank you for that quote.
Also, the story BEHIND that quote (which I am sure you are familiar with) involves HighCouncelors issuing bans on players. So you can throw the current High Councelors into the same boat as the former GM. After all, a Rose by any other name is still a Rose... and a player/guildleader that can ban other players in a guild vs guild (player vs player) game is the same whether it be called a GM or a High Councelor.
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I think you didnt read or at least misread the statement.
My post was more amusal that you chose to focus on some issues yet COMPLETELY ignore other issues because you would have a impossible time defending or getting anyone to believe it was true. Your position in previous threads and somewhat in this one is that this man is real and honest and ALL THE INFORMATION has been posted when in fact, I saw the extent of a login screenshot and thats about it.
IMO this pastebin is more akin to throwing shit on a wall and seeing what sticks. Flies seem to be loving it though.
Well I in turn, believe you didn't read, or misread my prior statements because my "position in previous posts" has not been that ALL THE INFORMATION is 100% legit. My stance from the beginning is that all the allegations are simply gravy while the main killer is the simple fact that SV allowed guildleaders to have GM powers (including BAN) in a full-loot, FFA, PvP sandbox MMORPG focused on Guild vs Guild territory control....
That killer fact was even confirmed by SV in the quote provided by Osmunda. So now that we have that settled.. it becomes a matter of trustworthiness of the principals regarding the allegations. See my post above ( http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3765795 ) for the two scenarios that creates.
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