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I'm in the process of downloading it, so I can give it a try, see what it's like and help with some testing.
But I must say, the amount of bizarre posts here today is starting to put me off. Its like some sort of religious exchange going on. Guy 1 says he didnt like it and lists his reasons, and guy 2 says "then you're an idiot, it's a brilliant game, you obviously just like rubbish like WoW" so guy 1 says "I hate the controls, this is the worst system ever! It HAS to be changed NOW!" and guy 2 says "You know nothing, its the best thing and everyone should use it!"
Who cares? Its a game! Some people will hate it, some people will be bored, some people will think its ok, some people will love it and have a fantastic time. Forums are supposed to be somewhere we can discuss problems, help each other out, and report issues we have - not claim that Final Fantasy is the Second Coming and the greatest thing ever, or for that matter, that its the Devil and needs to fail big time.
If you don't like it, or don't enjoy it - its a free beta test. You haven't lost anything, so delete it, and move on. And if you love it, fantastic! Get in there and play and stop telling everyone that they must be WoW fans!
Geez guys, get some perspective, and stop filling the front page with FF posts that all say the same 2 things!
"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright
Alright, a bit of information regarding your questions. I believe to your first point, it has something to do with culture. The act of drawing your weapon, focusing on an opponent, and beginning combat is something that I believe is taken too lightly in the US. They give a detailed bit of explanation about the significance of transition between active and passive modes. –HOWEVER- I did notice I could simply just run up to a lot of mobs, and hit an attack button, and it would pretty much occur instantly. I’ve done this on multiple classes. –However- The time it takes for the Miner to take out his pick axe is pretty annoying and doesn’t seem like there is any way around it.
Check your Settings, if you’re not running 4 cores, set them lower, the game does not auto-config your settings, the stock settings are way too trying for the min. System requirements, the Recommend System requirements are core I7’s… Also, the Server lag is very bad, which is why this is a beta test. They are working behind the scenes working. But with the optimal conditions you typically only deal with about 1 to 2 second delay from the server at time. Since your inputs go like this keyboard-> System-> Client> Server. If your game is not performing well, you get delay first from your computer struggling to handle the game, then your input goes into the game, your system tries to put the input in. THEN it goes to the server and you wait. You have to minimize your client’s effect on your system to get around this. My Core 2 Duo’s are running at a constant 75% plus, on close to the lowest settings.
I agree, I don’t think I found a Consider option, attacking random mobs can get you rick rolled, I put in a Request to Square-enix via the Support team (where all Open Beta test suggestions go now)
There are Stores that sell weapons an armor in each town, you just have to pull up the map, then wait for the map to load the names of places, it’s not difficult, I actually have like 5 classes played so far on my one character.
The Tab Targeting is also something I submitted a complaint about…However, There is a Target closest mob key, which lets you scroll through mobs a tad bit faster. It is one of the function keys I forget which, F5 I think it is. You can see it in your config.
When casting spells, hit the spell number, then enter, then enter your done. The reason for the confirmation is pretty much EVERY spell is an area of effect, to not start teaching you from moment one to double check, not spam, would be shaping up for some very difficult and trying group experiences later on. Casting a spell for me is generally very quick albeit in a lag spike confirming sucks, and with my settings the way that they are I can only imagine how bad it is for someone that is playing on the normal settings without changing it. That would be a total of nearly 6 seconds per cast.
Everyone is supposed to be a “newbie” when a new game starts, a lot of quests drop armor and such, there are npcs which have a good variety of weapons and armor when you get the money for them, of course these are pretty much the start weapons and stuff for each class. I do admit, They Make no effort of trying to explain the map, or ways Separate the npcs that are just there from the ones that are actually relevant to something. I submitted complaints about this already.
Talking to Vendors- See my 2ndParagraph , same for Selling things
This I don’t really understand myself, but it is more than likely because the Guildleve’s are kind of instanced, you can really expect to have multiple instances running at once. I do admit however, there needs to be more types of Quests than Guildleve’s I am actually looking for different kinds of real- tangible quests, after all, I doubt SE would make that many npcs and then not have them be really worth talking to. I was actually hoping in this sense it would be more like Nier (Action rpg for PS3 and Xbox 360) I doesn’t really bother me however, Teleporting back and starting another quest isn’t hard, just wait for the Aetheric Node to appear after you kill the final mob. Then interact with it.
Square-Enix always, always creates running speed items, usually shoes, they also have Haste Spells and stuff which will make you move faster, there is also a reward item that gives you increased movement speed if you have an FFXI account when you register the retail version of the game. So your Movement speed will get faster. However, Don’t run with your weapon out, it makes you run slower, you can find that information in game, and also you don’t regen with your weapon out anyway so there is no point to it, if you’re not fighting. Also, I think they plan on having some form of Mounted Combat, don’t quote me on that, they just seem to be really shady about chocobo’s, Extra shady, Which means they want to do something big.
The mobs in Final Fantasy Generally Don’t drop gear; it is rare in any final fantasy game to have mobs with weapons in their loot tables. However the beastmen of the may have a chance to drop equipment, it possibly won’t be much good but it will be something, but Square-enix put a lot of thought behind the drops, loot, and beginning harvests. You can pretty much kill mobs and then go craft something out of the stuff they drop it looks like. I haven’t tried crafting yet, but I am sure there are going to be rare spawns that drop good items equipment.
However, I suggest, that you follow beta Procedure and instead of crying about the game as it is, try to help chance it by submitting information, so they can fix it with some last minute changes and patches. A lot of stuff we have a problem with is the UI, the response, and the amount of resources the game takes up.
You have some very valid points, if this was the actual finished product of the game, I would be like pissed. It’s a beta test, it’s them asking the players not to play the game, not to just enjoy the game, but to help them by being a fresh pair of hands and eyes. A lot of the Mechanics in the game I really like, everything is a diverse kind of action, nothing is just Action A- Yields B.
And also, please Edit the Crafting information from your post, I understand Crafting is still under NDA.
Currently my problem is, there are so many flame topics on a site like this, all flaming the same thing. Where the heck are the moderators at. I mean this just doesn’t help anyone, it just encourages us to judge a game on the beta test, instead of actually allowing the developers the chance to get things right.
I mean honestly all this information released or hitting the forums have all be pretty much Bad on this website concerning this game. Like MMORPG.com is taking money from blizzard to ensure this game gets as little exposure good exposure as possible.
Yes, The Hype meter went Down, Well, I wonder why. Every little Idea, no matter how good those Idea are, get flamed openly, the fanboys act like fanboys, driving people away. Mmorpg.com posted the only negative detail found about this game admist of all the other information, and spun it way more negative that it actually is, then didnt report anything on the beta test information, the beta test it'self I mean, this website doesnt even have a Link to the Min. System Requirements of anything of this game.
Honestly tho, I encourage you, instead of flaming the game on the forums, and potentially lowering the intial population of this game, go to Square-enix support website, Submit your Questions and Concerns, and then Continue to play the beta, and try to find bugs and stuff, and report them.3
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Jesus aged christ thats a lot of text to justify some of the terrible mechanics in this game. I love how you call active and passive mode an "art" lol. Can you imagine a dual in an old western town being like that. They draw their revolver which takes 2 seconds, then they have to "target" the other guy and finally shoot him.
See orange above.
With that being said, I will still be purchasing this game basically due to the lack of other mmos for me to play right now. I'm hanging my hopes on the fact that the game will encourage community at some point which is what I'm looking for.
Wrong. Your enjoyment of this game shouldn't have anything to do with WoW. If you're sick and tired of all the MMOs nowadays having good UI and responsive combat, and a decent tutorial, that's fine. But the truth is it is your ignorance that throws other "traditional" MMOs in with WoW. Almost all MMOs out there have unique features and something different to offer. Some people are just too blinded by their obssessive hatered for WoW to notice and thus look for the extremes regardless if they are good or bad. It's just you being desperate... and when I see you i mean people in general.
^^ Agree.
Once you play it you will understand jayanti. I sincerely felt the same way as you did until I got my hands on it.
you forgot to add
Why dont the mobs drops gear?
lol, na just kidding
but in all seriousness why do u have to wait 24 or 48 hours for ur levequest to be retaken after "failing" it
Its not like i failed it anyways,I just got a crit error on the client and boom,when i relog its "failed"
UI is killing me. the mouse lags and i cant zoom my mouse in and out using magic is hard and when i change wepans i got no skill ponits but i got exp i really wish they fix the UI and mouse lag and they do need more mob too
Any game that uses craft driven gear is going to get a thumbs up from me. Its one of the things I miss most from the original SWG. Heck, great crafters were more famous than most of the PvPers. That was awesome and it really gave the game a sense of community.
It also means that non-combat oriented players will be able to enjoy the game AND contribute to it. When I had a crafter on SWG, there was nothing that made me happier than having someone send me a tell asking me if I was available to take an order for droids. Early on, I got a huge order from a bounty hunting guild that I couldn't fill because I didn't have factories. They FRONTED me the money instead of payment on delivery. I finished their order and actually had a sending offer to join their guild; I refused as I was a business man and refused to play favorites. Regardless, I had contributed to the enjoyment of other people's game. I had added something to the community.
Being able to just go out and kill for your loot is one of the reasons people get greedy and the MMO community tends to be poor. When you have to depend on others for what you need, you tend to be a lot nicer and polite to people. This concept enhances the feeling and NEED for community. It will keep the jerks from being complete jerks because they will need others to get their goodies. Amazing how that works...
I do have to agree with this statement. If the client crashes or even if you do fail the quest for whatever reason, you should be able to re-do the quest without a cooldown.
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I agree with the topic author. Think the game is just not for my taste.
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Lots of good points Toddze, thanks.
There are 8 classes built ENTIRELY around crafting ONLY. That is their life, as such, the games economy will be created by the players mobs drop materials, players make the gear.
i remember anouther mmo that took this way of play HORIZONS and that was a great hit
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ps: so if crafting is not youre thing i think ya better of saying way. im not a crafter i like group, adventure, kill things and find loot from time to time but to me finding the odd bit of leather and animal parts do not cut it for me it just takes the explore and find factor away that i play mmos for.
This is your opinion and that fine by me but say this is a terrible game just because you dont like it is a little rash, and i cannot agree with you when you say most dont have play wow because in fact before wow most of people didnt know about mmo. Anyway for me SE always deliver what i expect from them.
First off, thank your for actually putting coherent sentences together to form a concise string of critiques. After reading post after post of raw rage, I'm happy to read a post with some thought.
Secondly, let me say that FFXI was/is my favorite mmo of all time. I will always have a special little place in my gaming heart. I too was taken aback when I booted up FFXIV in closed beta. It's such a massively different game on many levels. It still has echoes of FFXI and I supposed that is why I decided to put my head down and figure this beast out.
Now in open beta, I am having a lot of fun with it. I completely understand your issues with the game and even agree with some of your points (ie. slow ui response, laggy controls etc.)! After perusing these forums for the last few days, I realize that this is an amazingly polarizing game.
I still must applaud you and others who are putting a good faith effort into trying/testing this game and coming away with mature critiques -- albeit a little crass...but still made me chuckle. :P
I do wish there would be more of this mature debate and more understanding from both sides that we don't all have to like this game or learn to like it. Some of us just prefer a more traditional mmo.
Thats OK!!
Seriously...it's ok to like WoW or LoTRO or WAR!! It's also just as OK to like FFXI and FFXIV!! But if we are to come to a forum and debate, it should be on a more mature level and we should leave out the flames and insults (esp. the insults). One is not somehow a caveman for liking a traditional mmo nor are they blind for liking a FF mmo in spite of the bugs and ui difficulties etc.
All-in-all, kudos for your list of critiques and kudos to those who have responded with mature debate and counter-points.
I do intend to keep pushing ahead and having fun with this game and hoping very much for release to bring more awesomeness.
Good luck in your games!!
You're welcome, and thank you for the kind words. Its my hope that some of the team members of SE are currently in the process of listening to their critiques, praises, compliments, suggestions, and feedback in order tune this game a little better. Therefore, I make every attempt to convey my point in a "e-rage"-less manner.
To your point, you're very correct. This is entirely a love/hate type of game and as such everyone will have thoughts on what will make it more fun and enjoyable for them. This does not mean that SE should cater to the whims of every individual, but perhaps do whatever is best for the masses in general.
All in all, they have had around 200,000 pre-orders previous to the open beta and the growth of this figure has declined very very steeply since then. Some could say "yes, everyone already has their copy" and others could argue that seeing the game live has caused them to halt their order, or in my case, return it.
Its a shame that games cannot be everything for everyone, and perhaps that is why WoW consistently gets brought up by many of the loud-mouth defenders of anything whenever communication is not shaping up to their benefit. (Citation: OmegaFlare from above) ... because it (wow) did come pretty close for better or worse.
I personally saw the potential of what this game (and FF world) could have been for my personal mmo tastes, and it unfortunately missed the mark as a traditional mmo.
... but it is hands down one of the pretties things I've ever seen on my computer screen. With the exception of certain female exclusions and varieties of course. After all, I am still human.
If the mouse is so great then why are so many people complaining about it? Every other game uses a hardware mouse for mouse controls. If SE wants to make a PC/console game, then fine, but they should at least bother to get the controls right.
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