No offence, but from the moment I heard it was BioWare making this MMO in 2008, I knew it wouldn't be anything like SWG at all.
As for being an MMO: it has open world, group content, raids, pvp and so forth; what instancing there is, is mostly seamless.
If this isn't an MMO, 90% of all games listed here aren't.
I'll rephrase .."I was hoping for a good heir" to the SW genre
" it has open world, group content, raids, pvp and so forth"
Where did you find this information? I thought i followed every single article, newsrelease for the past year
As for my dissapointment, for me it just sounds like its leaning towards a RPGworld
My definition of MMORPG in plain words is, when YOU "tell" the story, live the game and became a legend (like us old grumphy SWG vets did XD)
We didnt just go to a vendor, recieve a reward or looted a drop, we visited a player mall or 10. Went browsing the stores for our gear.
We didnt stand in a qeue to go to a battleground, we went to war seeking out our enemies. We didnt fly in some tube, we rallied our armada and flew together like in the movies ya know.. wingmen in a chaos of lasers and missiles all around you XD
And at the end of the day we went to our home, dropping off our trophys, maybe went fishing by the stream to get some fish for the chef to cook so we could get some foodbuffs for tomorrows battle. Maybe hang out with the cute girl who loves decorating peoples houses.
Oh and the one thing above it all that made "me" so special... there was only one "me".. could only make ONE character but i could learn everything!
Now it's all gone so please tell me I'm alloved to be grumphy and hope for a better heir so I can be "me" again ^^
STOR does not seem have as much of a traditional open world as SWG etc. A rail shooter for space may well reflect on how the quests and game zones work on planet. But it is a MMO, the play testing we have seen confirms that.
I love all this petty squabling over a game that doesnt even have a Pre-Order set up for GameStop(how do i know this cause i asked the Manager at the GameStop I do all of my pre-orders for) Sheesh give it a rest. The reason I like how BioWare is spinning TOR is because of all the games they have made they released the info the same way and every game they have out has won top awards. BioWare can release info how ever they want cause they know will follow it on baited breath either in spite or in love.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
Good grief! PLEASE stop quoting entire messages in replies
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I love all this petty squabling over a game that doesnt even have a Pre-Order set up for GameStop(how do i know this cause i asked the Manager at the GameStop I do all of my pre-orders for)
Really? Pre orders been available in the UK for months
I used to visit this site a lot however in recent years it has become the home of negative forum posts, illogical opinions and tantrums so I visit less often.
Played or Beta'd: UO / DAOC / Horizons / EQ2 / DDO / EVE / Archlord / PirateKingsOnline / Tabula Rasa / LOTRO / AOC / Champions / Darkfall / Mortal Online / DCUO / Rift / STO / SWTOR / TSW
SW TOR like others have stated are only releasing info they for sure have locked in the game. How many times in the past have MMOs come right out at the start we will have this this this and this but only deliver on maybe half at best when they launch. Frankly I would have only wanted to hear about what was already for sure in the game not what was planned to be in the game. Bioware is going the path so many of us wished the older MMOs would have and only release what they have, but you can't satifiy everyone. You will always have someone saying they need to release more so that they can make an informed choice about the game. Well here are some facts for you, 1 the game is not out yet. 2 you have 8 or more months yet for the release, they can release as much or as little info as they want. 3 its a game with a huge push on the storyline, releasing so much info could hurt they storyline and kill the game for people who actually like that aspect of an MMO. Believe it or not there are those of us who read through the quests the first time we play through an MMO because we want to get invovled in the game. However, what happens so often is the story in the MMO means crap and its all about the end game raid content. I for one hope the story drives you to locations and items and not the items driving you to a location. 4 GW2 and SW TOR are not being release by the same company, stop compairing the 2 on how info is release they are not the same. Each are allowed to release as much or as little game info as they wish. Heck both could release almost nothing about the game if they so chose to do so and people would still buy each game. In the end its not really about the info that is release but how the game is for each player. If it is fun then they will tell their friends to go pick it up and play it, if it sucks then they will tell their friends to avoid it.
I love all this petty squabling over a game that doesnt even have a Pre-Order set up for GameStop(how do i know this cause i asked the Manager at the GameStop I do all of my pre-orders for)
Really? Pre orders been available in the UK for months
No offence, but from the moment I heard it was BioWare making this MMO in 2008, I knew it wouldn't be anything like SWG at all.
As for being an MMO: it has open world, group content, raids, pvp and so forth; what instancing there is, is mostly seamless.
If this isn't an MMO, 90% of all games listed here aren't.
I'll rephrase .."I was hoping for a good heir" to the SW genre
" it has open world, group content, raids, pvp and so forth"
Where did you find this information? I thought i followed every single article, newsrelease for the past year
As for my dissapointment, for me it just sounds like its leaning towards a RPGworld
My definition of MMORPG in plain words is, when YOU "tell" the story, live the game and became a legend (like us old grumphy SWG vets did XD)
We didnt just go to a vendor, recieve a reward or looted a drop, we visited a player mall or 10. Went browsing the stores for our gear.
We didnt stand in a qeue to go to a battleground, we went to war seeking out our enemies. We didnt fly in some tube, we rallied our armada and flew together like in the movies ya know.. wingmen in a chaos of lasers and missiles all around you XD
And at the end of the day we went to our home, dropping off our trophys, maybe went fishing by the stream to get some fish for the chef to cook so we could get some foodbuffs for tomorrows battle. Maybe hang out with the cute girl who loves decorating peoples houses.
Oh and the one thing above it all that made "me" so special... there was only one "me".. could only make ONE character but i could learn everything!
Now it's all gone so please tell me I'm alloved to be grumphy and hope for a better heir so I can be "me" again ^^
well said! i feel the same and i'm afraid we will be waiting a long time for a better heir to swg. im not trying to take down TOR it may end up being a fine game in the end. but the more i read the more i dont think its the game for me. i only hope this doesnt mean we cant see another star wars mmorpg anytime soon. i really want to play in the universe of the movies.
I know a lot of people are moaning about the fact that space combat is going to be tunnel esque and that they want a sandboxy feel. However this is the first MMO of its kind where story is more important than anything else. With that said I say everyone should calm down and give it a shot, for all we know the next big phase in MMOs will be story dirven, which in the end is what makes a good sandbox a good game period, when players build content that others enjoy... well what happens when the devs do all the hard work for us, whabam! We could very well be seeing our socks blown off in the near future. My only consern for TOR is endgame content, where will that go?
I know a lot of people are moaning about the fact that space combat is going to be tunnel esque and that they want a sandboxy feel. However this is the first MMO of its kind where story is more important than anything else. With that said I say everyone should calm down and give it a shot, for all we know the next big phase in MMOs will be story dirven, which in the end is what makes a good sandbox a good game period, when players build content that others enjoy... well what happens when the devs do all the hard work for us, whabam! We could very well be seeing our socks blown off in the near future. My only consern for TOR is endgame content, where will that go?
I agree with ya and i AM curious how its gunna be. The story they told with Mass Effects I & II was awesome and set a new standart to the genre. Loved the roaming mixed with a story driven plot, gotta add a BUT.. it can still only take a game so far as to the end credits and MMOs are more than that.
For me personally its allright to grind rats and zombies all the way to level 50 or 80 whatever as long as theres a world to explore and an awesome endgame. Every single MMO out there gets stuck in endgame and thats where all the developers fail. WoW was/is a success cuz theres constantly added new endgame content, drops changed, badges added etc. Allways something new to do when you hit endgame.
Couldnt careless about a story except for the 1st time i see it.. its the time after the credits that counts.. if that makes any sense
The only thing I expect from TOR is a singeplayer/group advanture called story, once its finished, there wont be much replay value (as it seems; WoW-style gameplay with some nice singleplayer and space arcade machine...). As for story I hope there will be something more interesting than that of ME (alpha male being all alpha saves the gay world and screws with crew members, one of them looking like a Michael Jackson (his music is one of the best, but giving him boobs and some plastics = not sexy)), maybe more of kotor, less ME and NWN.
Like why no demos over level2? Or why is space an arcade game and not like Rogue Squad / BF2 / X-wing?
There is something bewteen Eve and tube shooter...
You do know there is a PAX Demo of Characters around level 10 [ they all have a advanced Class ] and its played by both Bioware and the Community.
Yeah 3 guys playing for 5 minutes isn't really a deep demo. They need to let a reported or fans play a demo like GW's advance level one.
I hear that is all we will be hearing from Gw2... pretty much what they showed at gamescom is what you get until release. Kind of worrisome if you ask me.
Bioware has a reason they don't show as much... The reason for that is because they don't like to spoil the story for people. They put together some scenes and did what they could without giving away too much of the story.
You may not think story is important in an MMO, but it is to me, and up until now almost every MMO has had a weak assed story.
AOC was ok... but it was weak, and once you got passed tortage that was pretty much it.
TBF people don't care about finding about the story so spoiling it isn't the problem. People just want a playable demo that is beyond the tutorial. There is a shockingly low amount from TOR consider PAX will more than likely be the last convention. W don't even know what the average gameplay for swtor is is like and what it consists of.
Anyway PAX is far from the end of the information we'll be seeing from gw2. They've already confirmed they'll be going to Paris games week, and PAX East and probably so others as well as details on crafting which they'll be releasing "soon".
TBH, we know alot more about TOR than we do anything about gw2 . IT wil have dymanic events, a warhammer like PQ system. That is their selling point along with the graphics. It bothers me that you can play that game on a minimal machine with graphics like that, it makes me wander how is it possible.
We don't know more about SWTOR than GW2 that's a blatant lie. I can give pages of articles detailing gw2 mechanics and multiple 40 min gameplay video's of the game, most of the information on swtor doesn't detail anything, it mosly consists of we have this and that but we can't talk about it yet. The answer to the vast majority of Bioware interviews is "we can't talk about it yet", which fine as you don't want to reveal stuff that isn't finished or not actually in the game yet but surely for a game that's being released early next year they should have more to talk about.
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i want more information on the game so that I can have a reasonable expectation of what the game will entail to decide how interested I am in what the game is offering. PAX was the last major convention before release if they're not going to release some major information at PAX then it's going to be a looooong time before we get any if we get any.
I know many don't care if they don't get any information about the game before release but many do, this is a competing market I'm not going to buy a game purely on the developer and blind hype. I want to be able to make an informed decision about it. I'm not sure if I'll see enough information to make an informed decision.
A few things I like. It seems like the know what they want their gaming experience to be. They don't seem like they are rushing, and it doesn't seem like they are trying to say things they are not.
A few questions
End Game? Will there be one? Is the point of the game more or less to journey through each class to see the storyline? This may appeal to some players...but to quite a few who like to not read and rush to the highest possible level...this might not go over.
I enjoy EVE...because I can do whatever I want to do...I like the company...and I have the potential to do some cool things in that game. EvE is nothing like STWOR...however, I will still get it and check it out when it comes out.
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No offence, but from the moment I heard it was BioWare making this MMO in 2008, I knew it wouldn't be anything like SWG at all.
As for being an MMO: it has open world, group content, raids, pvp and so forth; what instancing there is, is mostly seamless.
If this isn't an MMO, 90% of all games listed here aren't.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I'll rephrase .."I was hoping for a good heir" to the SW genre
" it has open world, group content, raids, pvp and so forth"
Where did you find this information? I thought i followed every single article, newsrelease for the past year
As for my dissapointment, for me it just sounds like its leaning towards a RPGworld
My definition of MMORPG in plain words is, when YOU "tell" the story, live the game and became a legend (like us old grumphy SWG vets did XD)
We didnt just go to a vendor, recieve a reward or looted a drop, we visited a player mall or 10. Went browsing the stores for our gear.
We didnt stand in a qeue to go to a battleground, we went to war seeking out our enemies. We didnt fly in some tube, we rallied our armada and flew together like in the movies ya know.. wingmen in a chaos of lasers and missiles all around you XD
And at the end of the day we went to our home, dropping off our trophys, maybe went fishing by the stream to get some fish for the chef to cook so we could get some foodbuffs for tomorrows battle. Maybe hang out with the cute girl who loves decorating peoples houses.
Oh and the one thing above it all that made "me" so special... there was only one "me".. could only make ONE character but i could learn everything!
Now it's all gone so please tell me I'm alloved to be grumphy and hope for a better heir so I can be "me" again ^^
Wumi - SWG - Bloodfin - Cancelled
Wumi - WoW - Eu-Kazzak - Cancelled
Bulldozer - Aion - Eu-Kahrun - Cancelled
Wumi - Rift - EU-Riptalon - Cancelled
Thanks for that clarification Miagisan.
STOR does not seem have as much of a traditional open world as SWG etc. A rail shooter for space may well reflect on how the quests and game zones work on planet. But it is a MMO, the play testing we have seen confirms that.
I love all this petty squabling over a game that doesnt even have a Pre-Order set up for GameStop(how do i know this cause i asked the Manager at the GameStop I do all of my pre-orders for) Sheesh give it a rest. The reason I like how BioWare is spinning TOR is because of all the games they have made they released the info the same way and every game they have out has won top awards. BioWare can release info how ever they want cause they know will follow it on baited breath either in spite or in love.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
Good grief! PLEASE stop quoting entire messages in replies
Looks awful
I used to visit this site a lot however in recent years it has become the home of negative forum posts, illogical opinions and tantrums so I visit less often.
Played or Beta'd: UO / DAOC / Horizons / EQ2 / DDO / EVE / Archlord / PirateKingsOnline / Tabula Rasa / LOTRO / AOC / Champions / Darkfall / Mortal Online / DCUO / Rift / STO / SWTOR / TSW
Really? Pre orders been available in the UK for months
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I used to visit this site a lot however in recent years it has become the home of negative forum posts, illogical opinions and tantrums so I visit less often.
Played or Beta'd: UO / DAOC / Horizons / EQ2 / DDO / EVE / Archlord / PirateKingsOnline / Tabula Rasa / LOTRO / AOC / Champions / Darkfall / Mortal Online / DCUO / Rift / STO / SWTOR / TSW
SW TOR like others have stated are only releasing info they for sure have locked in the game. How many times in the past have MMOs come right out at the start we will have this this this and this but only deliver on maybe half at best when they launch. Frankly I would have only wanted to hear about what was already for sure in the game not what was planned to be in the game. Bioware is going the path so many of us wished the older MMOs would have and only release what they have, but you can't satifiy everyone. You will always have someone saying they need to release more so that they can make an informed choice about the game. Well here are some facts for you, 1 the game is not out yet. 2 you have 8 or more months yet for the release, they can release as much or as little info as they want. 3 its a game with a huge push on the storyline, releasing so much info could hurt they storyline and kill the game for people who actually like that aspect of an MMO. Believe it or not there are those of us who read through the quests the first time we play through an MMO because we want to get invovled in the game. However, what happens so often is the story in the MMO means crap and its all about the end game raid content. I for one hope the story drives you to locations and items and not the items driving you to a location. 4 GW2 and SW TOR are not being release by the same company, stop compairing the 2 on how info is release they are not the same. Each are allowed to release as much or as little game info as they wish. Heck both could release almost nothing about the game if they so chose to do so and people would still buy each game. In the end its not really about the info that is release but how the game is for each player. If it is fun then they will tell their friends to go pick it up and play it, if it sucks then they will tell their friends to avoid it.
Well, that's surprising since this game isn't even scheduled to come out until next year.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
The stuff about player decisions not effecting the world and the whole space combat things really sucks. It sounds way too carebear for my liking.
well said! i feel the same and i'm afraid we will be waiting a long time for a better heir to swg. im not trying to take down TOR it may end up being a fine game in the end. but the more i read the more i dont think its the game for me. i only hope this doesnt mean we cant see another star wars mmorpg anytime soon. i really want to play in the universe of the movies.
I know a lot of people are moaning about the fact that space combat is going to be tunnel esque and that they want a sandboxy feel. However this is the first MMO of its kind where story is more important than anything else. With that said I say everyone should calm down and give it a shot, for all we know the next big phase in MMOs will be story dirven, which in the end is what makes a good sandbox a good game period, when players build content that others enjoy... well what happens when the devs do all the hard work for us, whabam! We could very well be seeing our socks blown off in the near future. My only consern for TOR is endgame content, where will that go?
I agree with ya and i AM curious how its gunna be. The story they told with Mass Effects I & II was awesome and set a new standart to the genre. Loved the roaming mixed with a story driven plot, gotta add a BUT.. it can still only take a game so far as to the end credits and MMOs are more than that.
For me personally its allright to grind rats and zombies all the way to level 50 or 80 whatever as long as theres a world to explore and an awesome endgame. Every single MMO out there gets stuck in endgame and thats where all the developers fail. WoW was/is a success cuz theres constantly added new endgame content, drops changed, badges added etc. Allways something new to do when you hit endgame.
Couldnt careless about a story except for the 1st time i see it.. its the time after the credits that counts.. if that makes any sense
Wumi - SWG - Bloodfin - Cancelled
Wumi - WoW - Eu-Kazzak - Cancelled
Bulldozer - Aion - Eu-Kahrun - Cancelled
Wumi - Rift - EU-Riptalon - Cancelled
The only thing I expect from TOR is a singeplayer/group advanture called story, once its finished, there wont be much replay value (as it seems; WoW-style gameplay with some nice singleplayer and space arcade machine...). As for story I hope there will be something more interesting than that of ME (alpha male being all alpha saves the gay world and screws with crew members, one of them looking like a Michael Jackson (his music is one of the best, but giving him boobs and some plastics = not sexy)), maybe more of kotor, less ME and NWN.
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A few things I like. It seems like the know what they want their gaming experience to be. They don't seem like they are rushing, and it doesn't seem like they are trying to say things they are not.
A few questions
End Game? Will there be one? Is the point of the game more or less to journey through each class to see the storyline? This may appeal to some players...but to quite a few who like to not read and rush to the highest possible level...this might not go over.
I enjoy EVE...because I can do whatever I want to do...I like the company...and I have the potential to do some cool things in that game. EvE is nothing like STWOR...however, I will still get it and check it out when it comes out.
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Occasionally Play: Champions, Pirates of the Burning Sea, WOW, EVE ONLINE
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