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 I have read nothing but naegative reviews about this game. I finally get into beta and im blown away. From the graphics to the way the game handles talking to npcs. everything seems as if it is much more streamlined to flow naturally i am actually reading everything everyone says to me. and yeah the battles are hard even sometimes meaningless ones well i think thats great im playing an mmo to group up with people. So will someone please explain to me what is so wrong with this game because i am having a blast like really this is the mmo i have been waiting for square enix to deliver and im just so flabergasted at all the negative post about it.

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  • natuxatunatuxatu Member UncommonPosts: 1,364

    Why do you need someone to explain what is wrong when you just said that you've read nothing but negative reviews. You know what's wrong. so I say: wtf? to this thread. ^^

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  • terroniterroni Member Posts: 935

    Once the shiney wears off for you..

    you too will see

    Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.

  • choujiofkonochoujiofkono Member Posts: 852

    Originally posted by natuxatu

    Why do you need someone to explain what is wrong when you just said that you've read nothing but negative reviews. You know what's wrong. so I say: wtf? to this thread. ^^

         This is hilarious xD

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  • JimmydeanJimmydean Member UncommonPosts: 1,290

    Originally posted by pinkapples69

     I have read nothing but naegative reviews about this game. I finally get into beta and im blown away. From the graphics to the way the game handles talking to npcs. everything seems as if it is much more streamlined to flow naturally i am actually reading everything everyone says to me. and yeah the battles are hard even sometimes meaningless ones well i think thats great im playing an mmo to group up with people. So will someone please explain to me what is so wrong with this game because i am having a blast like really this is the mmo i have been waiting for square enix to deliver and im just so flabergasted at all the negative post about it.

    If you like the game, why does it matter what other people think? The only way to tell if you like FFXIV is to play it. It is very different from recent MMORPGs. Many will love it, a few will come to forums and complain about it.

    I can tell you that my entire guild still plans to play FFXIV and are all very excited for it. If you only read forums, you will obviously find people with gripes about the game. It's a game for people. They get hyped up for new games, and then when the developer doesn't make exactly what they want, they complain and say its horrible. FFXIV wasn't designed for the majority playerbase. It was designed as a new MMO experience that is a little more casual than FFXI was.

    Either way you look at it, FFXIV has a great foundation, and a team of skilled developers known for pumping out great content to keep players playing and having fun.

  • pfloydguy84pfloydguy84 Member UncommonPosts: 149

    id love the game too if it actually had content.It has almost 0 content currently.It's very strange actually.

  • Professor78Professor78 Member UncommonPosts: 611

    Originally posted by pfloydguy84

    id love the game too if it actually had content.It has almost 0 content currently.It's very strange actually.

    Yeah they have done it a strange way to test. But dont worry its on the way. Below from SE.

    ??How much of the game will players be able to experience in the beta? 

    ??We started at about 10% of the final product with the playable Alpha version and are ultimately trying to perfect the underlying game system.  The bulk of the game won't be made public until the retail version is out.

    ??Will Chocobos make an appearance? 

    ??Of course!  However, we are still exploring ways for us to use them in a unique way compared with FFXI.

    ??When you think Final Fantasy, you think summons, so...

    ??They'll make an appearance.  However, they take on a role closer to that of being gods.  There will be more than a few hurdles to get over before you can secure their aid.

    Destroying body parts

    By damaging or destroying a monster’s body parts or an enemy’s weapon during battle, a few things can happen. In some cases, they will be unable to use certain special attacks, the number of items dropped will increase, or the drop rate for certain items will increase.

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  • pmcubedpmcubed Member Posts: 289

    Originally posted by Professor78

    Originally posted by pfloydguy84

    id love the game too if it actually had content.It has almost 0 content currently.It's very strange actually.

    Yeah they have done it a strange way to test. But dont worry its on the way. Below from SE.

    ??How much of the game will players be able to experience in the beta? 

    ??We started at about 10% of the final product with the playable Alpha version and are ultimately trying to perfect the underlying game system.  The bulk of the game won't be made public until the retail version is out.

    ??Will Chocobos make an appearance? 

    ??Of course!  However, we are still exploring ways for us to use them in a unique way compared with FFXI.

    ??When you think Final Fantasy, you think summons, so...

    ??They'll make an appearance.  However, they take on a role closer to that of being gods.  There will be more than a few hurdles to get over before you can secure their aid.

    Destroying body parts

    By damaging or destroying a monster’s body parts or an enemy’s weapon during battle, a few things can happen. In some cases, they will be unable to use certain special attacks, the number of items dropped will increase, or the drop rate for certain items will increase.

    These additions will pretty much only make their appearance after the PS3 version is released :D

    if at all...

  • KlizziKlizzi Member Posts: 110

    What's wrong with it? Hmm....

    -Things wrong with FFXIV


    • Every zone is made up of 10 tiles of terrain copied, turned, and pasted.

    • The mouse hardware is terrible and the Devs too arrogant to fix it.

    • The game uses cheap tricks, which I love, to make it look impressive, yet it runs terribly.

    • New players are lost, completely lost. The lack of a guide or proper tutorial sums up to hours of frustration and discovering of simple features yourself.

    • Too many annoying menus, very poor accessibility.

    • Constant downtime, you're waiting around for animations and your health to recharge far more than you actually spend in combat.

    • Limited leveling.

     


    -Things not wrong with FFXIV


     

    • Graphics and character design.

     


    Though, even with the above, I will still most likely buy and play the game. :|

  • LysanderDLysanderD Member Posts: 12

    To answer the OP in the simplest terms possible:

    1: The UI is awkward to some people as the main menu 'must' be used to access things such as inventory, quests, equipment (different from inventory), and a myriad of other things. This is a design choice and not a 'problem', unless you consider point #2 below.

    2: The UI is slow to respond, and something like synthesis, which has to go through half a dozen windows to perform, really makes that slow responsiveness more apparent- and more of a problem. Things like changing equipment or scrolling through your inventory can take twice as long as they should as well, especially since you can't access these things without opening the menu first and selecting 'inventory' manually.

    3: As has been said, only 10% of the game is available in the beta, and that's I think mostly talking about world-exploration and such. I would personally say the 'storyline' that's accessible is probably closer to 5%, or less, but that's only based on my personal experience with FFXI. Some people take this as meaning the game itself will HAVE no content- whether that's true or false is open to discussion, and HAS been discussed to death already, but the math speaks for itself I think.

    Everything else is simply style/design decisions that probably won't change no matter how much people moan about them, and the UI likely won't be an issue when things are better optimized. They might not make inventory accessible with a button, but as long as you can get through the menus without wait-time it's not game-breaking in any sense.

    I agree with what others have posted here: Final Fantasy XIV wasn't meant to satisfy a great majority, but it's not a niche title either. Square-Enix has a great policy, which is "We're the designers, you're the players- if you like our game then that's great, but it's our vision and our project, not yours." Please keep in mind that that's my personal opinion of them, and not something they've outright stated in any sense. Over the years though, that concept really rings true for me, and I respect them for it. If you want a game that's basically designed by the masses, through popular vote, or just 'crumbling under public pressure', then FFXIV is probably a huge disappointment, just like FFXI was for many people when it was first released.

    FYI, there are many many positive reviews for this game- I think just as many as the negative ones. That said, most of them aren't on MMORPG.com because this is where people who play 3 MMOs simultaneously come to flame the ones (that they try for five minutes) which don't match up perfectly with their preferred play-style.

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  • LysanderDLysanderD Member Posts: 12

    Originally posted by Klizzi

    What's wrong with it? Hmm....

    -Things wrong with FFXIV


    • Every zone is made up of 10 tiles of terrain copied, turned, and pasted.

    • The mouse hardware is terrible and the Devs too arrogant to fix it.

    • The game uses cheap tricks, which I love, to make it look impressive, yet it runs terribly.

    • New players are lost, completely lost. The lack of a guide or proper tutorial sums up to hours of frustration and discovering of simple features yourself.

    • Too many annoying menus, very poor accessibility.

    • Constant downtime, you're waiting around for animations and your health to recharge far more than you actually spend in combat.

    • Limited leveling.

     


    -Things not wrong with FFXIV


     

    • Graphics and character design.

     


    Though, even with the above, I will still most likely buy and play the game. :|

    I'd like to note that, were the game optimized and perfectly responsive, the only issues remaining on this complain list would be 'areas don't look unique enough', 'needs better guidance for new players', and 'limited leveling'. The one about the poor accessibility would be less of an issue with better responsiveness, but ultimately this is a design choice that I think we can all live with when we get used to it.

    I really don't think that the tutorial would be an issue if people actually took the time to read the noobie guide on the website (which will be in book format for the release obviously). I haven't really noticed the areas looking identical, though to be fair if you're in the forest, and don't leave the forest, it'll always look like the same forest. If you've ever been in an actual forest, you'll realize how easy it is to get lost for exactly that reason >_>; I haven't tested the other two starting areas though, so I don't doubt you're probably right. That said, it's an MMO, and 'massive' usually comes with exactly this drawback.

    Here's hoping that the optimization goes well *crosses fingers*.

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332

    Originally posted by Professor78

    Originally posted by pfloydguy84

    id love the game too if it actually had content.It has almost 0 content currently.It's very strange actually.

    Yeah they have done it a strange way to test. But dont worry its on the way. Below from SE.

    ??How much of the game will players be able to experience in the beta? 

    ??We started at about 10% of the final product with the playable Alpha version and are ultimately trying to perfect the underlying game system.  The bulk of the game won't be made public until the retail version is out.

    Interesting that they claim to have been working on game over 5 years and trying to fix the core of the game since Alpha,i don't see it,and if they have ,they have done a poor job of it.

    ??Will Chocobos make an appearance? Here again is an odd statement,we do not see Cohocbo use in Beta,so am i to assume they still have not figured out wha tto do ,only 2 weeks to  release?

    ??Of course!  However, we are still exploring ways for us to use them in a unique way compared with FFXI.

    ??When you think Final Fantasy, you think summons, so...

    ??They'll make an appearance.  However, they take on a role closer to that of being gods.  There will be more than a few hurdles to get over before you can secure their aid.

    I assume a complex quest line or just related to faction.I am thinking along the lines of Deity or similiar to EQ2.

    Destroying body parts

    By damaging or destroying a monster’s body parts or an enemy’s weapon during battle, a few things can happen. In some cases, they will be unable to use certain special attacks, the number of items dropped will increase, or the drop rate for certain items will increase.

    If this is true then i applaud them for a brilliant idea,it would be the first indication of anything unique or good about this game as Beta has been just awful imo.

    As for other things,i do not appreciate the unrealsitic auto teleport after a Leve is finished,jsut because there was a bunch of lazy people giving Square bad ideas.The fishing game is not done well,this time around i figured we might actually get to see fish and have some fun trying to catch them,this is not really an improvement at all over FFXI.Unlike the OP,i have not found the dialogue to be interesting and there is too much text ,especially considering most of it does nothing to educate the player,just a bunch of gibberish.The voice acting/cutscene greatness ends quite early like 2 cutscenes after you start in each city,again a cheap design,we should have all voice acting for npc's.Many other issues like they felt it fit to make tons of text but none where it is actually needed like on the map or on the tutorial npc,it's like Tanaka or whoever is in charge is sleeping while putting this game together.

     

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  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by pinkapples69

    So will someone please explain to me what is so wrong with this game because i am having a blast like really this is the mmo i have been waiting for square enix to deliver and im just so flabergasted at all the negative post about it.



    A lot of times, people have other MMOs that they really, REALLY love and tell the world about for months/years beforehand. They have the signatures with the "coming soon" game's pictures all plastered with their future toon's name, occupation and w/e else they dream about at night.


    They spend all their time telling anyone who will listen how great it will be and how it will replace WoW or cure cancer or something.


    They go on other people's forums and say how badly their game will beat someone else's.


    Then that game gets released, and it's garbage.


    It doesn't do anything it promised it's base and people who were told "It's gonna pwn".. leave. The fanboys are left with nothing but each other to console as servers close/crash and they are doing nothing but getting laughed at and ignored by the MMO community.

    Eventually, their game runs out of money, closes or becomes so boring that they themselves don't log in much anymore except on alt toons; they go around to other games they heard and try to poke holes in it.

    Misery loves company.


    That's where most of that comes from.

  • pinkapples69pinkapples69 Member Posts: 53

    I can understand where the complaints come from like the lack of guidance i am a little stumped on what to do after the color of sin quest i cant find the next one hah. and the mouse lag is kind of annoying but it will probally fixed. I think they made the menues to be easier axcessed for consoles not sure...but over all i still cant wait for release i love the whole feel to the game its just great especially how they handle classes and skills and what not. Its a very good combination between skill based and classed base my character has just been started and already i feel like i have very good control of which direction he is going in also im very happy that a major company like square is making it so i know they will have the funding to back this game up because seems to me like its biting alot off but i think if there is a company that can pull it off its them.

  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by pinkapples69
    I can understand where the complaints come from like the lack of guidance i am a little stumped on what to do after the color of sin quest i cant find the next one hah. and the mouse lag is kind of annoying but it will probally fixed. I think they made the menues to be easier axcessed for consoles not sure...but over all i still cant wait for release i love the whole feel to the game its just great especially how they handle classes and skills and what not. Its a very good combination between skill based and classed base my character has just been started and already i feel like i have very good control of which direction he is going in also im very happy that a major company like square is making it so i know they will have the funding to back this game up because seems to me like its biting alot off but i think if there is a company that can pull it off its them.

    The rest of the quests are hidden from everyone until after beta. What you are supposed to do is go explore tha land, fight vs monsters, try the crafts out, visit the different cities and generally enjoy what you can. It's not designed to have tons of quests at this time. That's in a couple of weeks during launch.

    They have made some adjustments on the mouse that are visible to us that was in the last beta before this. Once they stop taking data and metrics then fully optimize the game for release, you'll see even more improvement I'm sure. You have to remember... they were so confident about the game being ready for launch they actually pushed the Open Beta up a week or so.

  • pinkapples69pinkapples69 Member Posts: 53

    Yeah alright thanks for explainig that now i can go enjoy the game and do some guild leves :) I really appreciate it I just figured I was doing something wrong lol.

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