The only joke I saw was that someone took the time to make it and that others thought it was funny. And considering that most of what was in the strip was inaccurate...well I guess the joke is on them for wasted time and effort.
The only joke I saw was that someone took the time to make it and that others thought it was funny. And considering that most of what was in the strip was inaccurate...well I guess the joke is on them for wasted time and effort.
Would you say you had much of a sense of humour when it comes to this game?
The only joke I saw was that someone took the time to make it and that others thought it was funny. And considering that most of what was in the strip was inaccurate...well I guess the joke is on them for wasted time and effort.
Would you say you had much of a sense of humour when it comes to this game?
It was creative, but it really wasn't that funny.
Of course if you agreed with the message, you'd be ROFLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOL'ing.
The only joke I saw was that someone took the time to make it and that others thought it was funny. And considering that most of what was in the strip was inaccurate...well I guess the joke is on them for wasted time and effort.
Would you say you had much of a sense of humour when it comes to this game?
It was kinda amature humor and since it was inaccurate if failed. Guess it's just a matter of taste.
The only joke I saw was that someone took the time to make it and that others thought it was funny. And considering that most of what was in the strip was inaccurate...well I guess the joke is on them for wasted time and effort.
Would you say you had much of a sense of humour when it comes to this game?
It was kinda amature humor and since it was inaccurate if failed. Guess it's just a matter of taste.
I must admit I am only paying slight attention to what information if being given out by bioware, so I will ask an honest question. Where was the comic inaccurate?
The only joke I saw was that someone took the time to make it and that others thought it was funny. And considering that most of what was in the strip was inaccurate...well I guess the joke is on them for wasted time and effort.
Would you say you had much of a sense of humour when it comes to this game?
It was kinda amature humor and since it was inaccurate if failed. Guess it's just a matter of taste.
I must admit I am only paying slight attention to what information if being given out by bioware, so I will ask an honest question. Where was the comic inaccurate?
1. Planet-size has been demonstrated to be huge by people actually playing. Not someone ballparking figures based on screenshots and the like.
2. Some races can only have certain classes. That's hardly new, bad, or unusual. They've officially said initial announcements they just linked one race per class, but that doesn't mean those races can only pick those classes at all.
3. It glosses over the fact that have multiple Jedi/Sith classes makes sense. If means you don't have 50% of the population running around as one class, which would be bad (a lot of polling indicates about half the people want to play Jedi or Sith, so making half the classes Jedi/Sith makes a lot of sense).
4. You CAN move in the tunnel shooter, but so far they have said you can't change your speed. Of course, it is largely meant to be a mini-game. (The comic removes the context).
Then it has the standard "why can't it be SWG2" whining (both obvious and by implication) that is very old on here, but that's not technically innaccurate. Naturally not much time is spent going over any of the positives such as combat where you fight multiple guys at once (which is pretty awesome in my book), and so forth.
It might be funny to me as a charicature of people who hate on the game, if it WAS a charicature. Unfortunately a lot of people who hate the game ARE this misinformed and very serious about it. Providing links, evidence, testimonials of people who've played, etc, etc, does nothing to convince them they are wrong even on the most obvious points (like world size). So to me the comic is more of a reminder of how frustrating a lot of mindless haters are.
1. Planet-size has been demonstrated to be huge by people actually playing. Not someone ballparking figures based on screenshots and the like.
2. Some races can only have certain classes. That's hardly new, bad, or unusual. They've officially said initial announcements they just linked one race per class, but that doesn't mean those races can only pick those classes at all.
3. It glosses over the fact that have multiple Jedi/Sith classes makes sense. If means you don't have 50% of the population running around as one class, which would be bad (a lot of polling indicates about half the people want to play Jedi or Sith, so making half the classes Jedi/Sith makes a lot of sense).
4. You CAN move in the tunnel shooter, but so far they have said you can't change your speed. Of course, it is largely meant to be a mini-game. (The comic removes the context).
Then it has the standard "why can't it be SWG2" whining (both obvious and by implication) that is very old on here, but that's not technically innaccurate. Naturally not much time is spent going over any of the positives such as combat where you fight multiple guys at once (which is pretty awesome in my book), and so forth.
It might be funny to me as a charicature of people who hate on the game, if it WAS a charicature. Unfortunately a lot of people who hate the game ARE this misinformed and very serious about it. Providing links, evidence, testimonials of people who've played, etc, etc, does nothing to convince them they are wrong even on the most obvious points (like world size). So to me the comic is more of a reminder of how frustrating a lot of mindless haters are.
1) Can you define "huge"? Just saying the word huge doesn't mean the claim made in the comic is untrue does it?
2) Are you saying the claims in the picture are true on this point?
3) Are you saying the claims in the picture are true on this point?
4) I think it was implied that you can't move off the predesignated path, but again I ask, are you saying the claims in the picture are ture on this point?
I'm not really seeing the misinformation everyone is claimed, but rather some opinions of why those points of information are ok for the game.
Nor does the picture read like a "SWG2" whinefest to me. There are some logical comparisons like number of classes and planets. I guess it is just left to the reader what they wish to imply from the message.
1. Planet-size has been demonstrated to be huge by people actually playing. Not someone ballparking figures based on screenshots and the like.
2. Some races can only have certain classes. That's hardly new, bad, or unusual. They've officially said initial announcements they just linked one race per class, but that doesn't mean those races can only pick those classes at all.
3. It glosses over the fact that have multiple Jedi/Sith classes makes sense. If means you don't have 50% of the population running around as one class, which would be bad (a lot of polling indicates about half the people want to play Jedi or Sith, so making half the classes Jedi/Sith makes a lot of sense).
4. You CAN move in the tunnel shooter, but so far they have said you can't change your speed. Of course, it is largely meant to be a mini-game. (The comic removes the context).
Then it has the standard "why can't it be SWG2" whining (both obvious and by implication) that is very old on here, but that's not technically innaccurate. Naturally not much time is spent going over any of the positives such as combat where you fight multiple guys at once (which is pretty awesome in my book), and so forth.
It might be funny to me as a charicature of people who hate on the game, if it WAS a charicature. Unfortunately a lot of people who hate the game ARE this misinformed and very serious about it. Providing links, evidence, testimonials of people who've played, etc, etc, does nothing to convince them they are wrong even on the most obvious points (like world size). So to me the comic is more of a reminder of how frustrating a lot of mindless haters are.
1) Can you define "huge"? Just saying the word huge doesn't mean the claim made in the comic is untrue does it?
2) Are you saying the claims in the picture are true on this point?
3) Are you saying the claims in the picture are true on this point?
4) I think it was implied that you can't move off the predesignated path, but again I ask, are you saying the claims in the picture are ture on this point?
I'm not really seeing the misinformation everyone is claimed, but rather some opinions of why those points of information are ok for the game.
Nor does the picture read like a "SWG2" whinefest to me. There are some logical comparisons like number of classes and planets. I guess it is just left to the reader what they wish to imply from the message.
1. Took someone just under an hour going in a STRAIGHT LINE to go around Hutta. So they didn't even see everything by a long shot. That's huge. Yes, the comic is absolutely false here.
2. Yes, races have more than one class available to them, the comic says otherwise and is wrong.
3. The implication that the move makes no sense is wrong. If you want to get into the number of classes, then technically there are 16 classes since each individual class has 2 very distinct classes they can become. Your choice of advanced class unlocks completely new abilities that aren't available to people who make the other choice AND a new talent tree. Of course, if they actually described the complexity of the class system fairly, then they couldn't act like it was an outrage.
4. It implies space combat is a bigger part of the game than it actually is, and this is further hightened by how references both obvious and implied to SWG appear in the comic. The sentences are made to deliberately compare things to how SWG did things generally speaking, even if SWG isn't mentioned. That said, I don't think it was implied it is a tube shooter, it was implied that you simply can't move (and games like that HAVE been made). They specifically say you can't move afterall. Now, you could say "but they reference Starfox" except in Starfax you CAN move AND change your speed.
I can see an argument for point 3, but overall the whole this was very innaccurate and beyond that grossly unfair by focusing in some cases are fairly minor game details and acting like they are major components.
Anyhow, the comic is the exact sort of drivel that has made it impossible to discuss the actual game being made, merits and flaws, in a reasonable manner. It's hyperbole and lies that doesn't realize it is hyperbole and lies.
Where did they get that 7 minute figure? The source I've seen says it takes at least an hour to cross a planet and that was a starting planet.
So 8 classes + 16 advanced classes is a bad thing now? I don't know of many MMOs that go beyond that many, and it seems like when many do there is just a lot of repitition.
Also, we know very little about what races are available to what classes. It makes sense that certain races, like the Chiss or Zabrak, aren't playable as Jedi, Trooper, etc. These races are generally depicted as "dark side" races in the source material.
And the "only humaniod races" thing is a stupid criticism. Who give a flying frack if you can't play as a Wookie or Rhodian? I'm sick of people complaining about that.
I do agree that they shouldn't have made space combat like a tunnel shooter. That's the only valid criticism I think.
This whole "comic" reads like it was made by a disgruntled SWG vet who was dissapointed that Bioware didn't make them SWG Pre-NGE 2: Electric Bugaloo.
I'd like to make a comic that goes "Did you hear? Bioware is making a new MMO based on their classic game Knights of the Old Republic! It has over 800 hours of content at launch, an in depth engaging storyline, quests aren't a boring little text boxes but are interactive cutscenes where you interact with the questgiver, your decisions influence the outcome of the mission, player housing (something that seems pretty rare in MMOs nowadays,) plus all the MMO staples anyone can expect like grouping and crafting!"
I'd like to make a comic that goes "Did you hear? Bioware is making a new MMO based on their classic game Knights of the Old Republic! It has over 800 hours of content at launch, an in depth engaging storyline, quests aren't a boring little text boxes but are interactive cutscenes where you interact with the questgiver, your decisions influence the outcome of the mission, player housing (something that seems pretty rare in MMOs nowadays,) plus all the MMO staples anyone can expect like grouping and crafting!"
Nobody would pay any attention to it unless they could twist it around.
Anything positive about this game is a lie, obviously.
Its not so much that the fun comic strip has facts wrong... its more a case of those features (or lack of) not being an issue to the people who actually appreciate Bioware's vision for the game. Pretty much every complaint in the strip (and on these forums) has to do with the game not being sandboxy enough for someone...
I say good. SWG sucked big time in my opinion and I can think of nothing worse than Bioware abandoning their strong points as a developer in favor of catoring to the sandbox whiners.
Bingo! All the complaints in the comic aren't issues for me, so that's why I see it as pretty stupid and whining from people who have nothing better to do than gripe about game mechanics on a game they've never played and is 6 months from launch.
*applauds* Not to mention that there is a psuedo sandbox set in Star Wars already, if it is so great (for some people) then why even bother in forums for the other Star Wars game? If Star Wars in a sandbox is what people want its real cheap and has been running for years. This one is for those of us who are well over and done with the whole SOE debacle known as SWG and all the crying and pissing and moaning about TOR not being Star Wars Galaxy-y enough isn't going to make SWG look better than TOR.
With the quality, or lack thereof, of most of the complaints I am starting to think it is SOE schills running around trying to make the case that TOR is going to suck by trolling everywhere they can. They did this with the NGE, rushing to the boards saying how great it was so, I wouldn't put it past them.
Sony is also well known for using duplicitous marketing practices in the past (like that fake "All I Want For Chistmas is a PSP" blog they put out a few years back.) So it wouldn't surprise me at all is SOE was attempting to sabotage SWTOR to prevent SWG from going belly-up.
Someone can be indifferent to sandbox games, love theme park game and look at the information bioware has release and find it dissapointing. Just because those things are not a problem for any of you, doesn't mean those not in agreement with your opinion must be some sort of disgruntled sandbox swg fan.
I like themepark games and the more I hear about TOR the less impressed I become with it, but my expectations started pretty high.
How dare you bring logic in to this argument? If they don't like TOR clearly they must be SWG vet. Who hates that TOR isn't SWG2. Not that they actually like themepark MMO and don't think it's going to be a very good MMO.
Well, when someone takes the trouble to compare TOR to SWG (like a lot of people on these forums, and the comic posted by the OP) then I think it's a fair assumption that the complainers are disgruntled SWG vets pissed off that the newest Star Wars MMO isn't the second coming of Pre-NGE.
We are talking about the comic posted by the OP after all, it's pretty arrogant of you and Daffid to assume we're talking about you.
I'd like to make a comic that goes "Did you hear? Bioware is making a new MMO based on their classic game Knights of the Old Republic! It has over 800 hours of content at launch, an in depth engaging storyline, quests aren't a boring little text boxes but are interactive cutscenes where you interact with the questgiver, your decisions influence the outcome of the mission, player housing (something that seems pretty rare in MMOs nowadays,) plus all the MMO staples anyone can expect like grouping and crafting!"
Nobody would pay any attention to it unless they could twist it around.
Anything positive about this game is a lie, obviously.
whats the difference between a rail and a tunnel shooter?
Rails shooters have absolutely no freedom
Tunnel shooters have slight freedom like side paths that can branch out. Like in starfox you could take an alt route and fight a different boss than the one you were supposed to.
why would anyone in their right mind want to make a rai... i mean a tunnel shooter:
If they're poor developers in that regard of game design and implementation.
Denshing brings up points in regards to Rail & Tunnel Shooters.
A game that grants freedom of flight like the old X-Wing series is the complete opposite. YOU decide what maneuvers, , evasive actions, direction to fly. YOU decide when, where, and how you fight.
People talk about how a Rail / Tunnel Shooter gives an impression of a cinematic feel. That's fine if you like the idea of seeing cool stuff but cannot do anything about it, because in all likeliness you can't even go towards the direction of a specific event even if you wanted to.
A game that gives freedom is the opposite. Let me give a generic mission from the old X-Wing series of games.
You're a TIE Pilot based out of a small space station. It's normally pretty quiet there but it is busy with civillian freighter traffic. Imperial Fighters and Patrol Craft routinely scan the ships for contraband. But on this day with you on patrol, the Rebels stage an attack. First to arrive are a squadron of A-Wings that dart straight to the TIEs. Soon after the TIEs and A-Wings are fighting each other, a squadron of Y-Wings drop in with X-Wings as escorts. It seems their goal is to smash the Imperial station with most of the defending fighters kept busy. Your goal obviously is to survive and ensure the safety of the station. You got some choices available to you at the moment.
A) Keep with the rest of the TIEs and try to destroy the A-Wings as quickly as possible and then get to the strike force. But the A-Wings are well known to be maneuverable and a pain in the a** to shoot down. These specific pilots are also showing to be quite good. You do have the advantage of much greater numbers with all the TIE Fighters, but tangle with them too long and you give the Rebel strike force a free shot at the station. The possibility of Y-Wings AND X-Wings getting a free, unimpeded attack run on the station is an immense danger.
Break off with your wingman and make a beeline for the strike force, hoping the main group of TIEs will win soon enough without you. Enroute to the Y-Wings, you can temporarily ignore the X-Wings that will intercept you to strike the bombers and break up the formation and delay the torpedo attack before they are in range. You'd be trying to buy time for the rest of the Imperial forces to be freed up and help you out. But it can be hazardous to your health doing that with X-Wings AND Y-Wings shooting at you. Or, you and your wingman can take on and destroy the X-Wings to give you a much easier time with the Y-Wing bombers, as they're likely to continue with their torpedo run. But again, the X-Wings' goal is to keep you off their bombers...
Throw into the setting the civillian traffic that includes transports, shuttles, and freighters, as well as the station itself. During flight, you'll have to maneuver around all that traffic. You could use them to throw off some pursuit as well, like quickly flying through narrow passages. But they could be a danger also since you could fly right into them if you're not careful. Plus, you're not supposed to be blowing up non-hostile civillians / Imperial citizens.
The key to that type of game is what your decisions are, where, and how you fly and fight. You are given complete freedom in how you do it.
Video game designers gave that freedom 17 years ago, and some of them still do (not just space games). For a Star Wars MMORPG to give the most basic, most restrictive, most stripped down featured form of space combat is just disappointing.
Edit to add: As far as flying goes, a game that grants that freedom of flight lets you fly to where to go and how you do it. You are dropped in somewhere and told, "Have at it." A Tunnel / Rail Shooter? It drops you into a chair and there's someone pushing you around. Some will give you absolutely no say in where to go and how you want to fly. Some may give you very limited choices, but you cannot deviate whatsoever from the course of action. Look around all you want, but you cannot go to something if the designers didn't script it in for you to go there. You can shake around in that chair and look around as much as you want, but there is still that dude pushing you from behind on a very specific set of waypoints with little to no chance of deviation.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I don't get why on the forums for a steaming pile of crap called FFXIV you can't post anything negative without it getting locked, deleted, or resulting in a warning, yet here in these forums with a game that has a lot of promise made by proven developers, troll drivel like this goes on for pages and pages and serves no purpose.
That was pretty humorous. Although, I have to say, the funniest thing was people predicting there'd be a flame war and then BOOM! it began.
I would now like to use emoticons to illustrate how many forums about this game end up:
Seriously... guys... give it a rest. It's just a game!
P.S. This post was for humor's sake and is not to be taken seriously. Still, I know there will probably be someone all angry about it and posting some ridiculous insult. *Sigh*
I have been under the employ of a game company, , I have had many friends work for them and I know of people that left BW because of what they are doing to SWTOR. With that said this pic is epic, wonderful, probably inaccurate and accurate. The thing is if investors get more than 4% back on their money within a year they are very happy. 20% is amazing and the model running at game companies now makes the staff angry, the players angry and the suits a bit richer. EA is a company that in the biz is not respected in any way and after the SWG debacle with the devs admitting LA wanted a dumbed down version for a younger audience...well the curse it cast. I have no idea if this title will be epic or an epic failure or just meh but my money is on meh only because of EA and the history of myself, others and the industry.
I have been under the employ of a game company, , I have had many friends work for them and I know of people that left BW because of what they are doing to SWTOR. With that said this pic is epic, wonderful, probably inaccurate and accurate. The thing is if investors get more than 4% back on their money within a year they are very happy. 20% is amazing and the model running at game companies now makes the staff angry, the players angry and the suits a bit richer. EA is a company that in the biz is not respected in any way and after the SWG debacle with the devs admitting LA wanted a dumbed down version for a younger audience...well the curse it cast. I have no idea if this title will be epic or an epic failure or just meh but my money is on meh only because of EA and the history of myself, others and the industry.
Yes gaming companies trying to make a profit digusts me. That and trying to follow their own vision.
Don't they understand that they should pass all design decisions past anybody that has ever played a video game. On top of that they shouldn't charge us for these games. They should be happy to make them just to please us.
I agree that EA is definitely not respected in the gaming industry. They have only been around since 1982.
Not sure why I am a fool. I have had three friends work for different EA subs and one was an art director. I worked for two game companies and have been friends with many in the community. The state of games is running a few years behind the state of films and music. There are many Hannah Montana/Jones Bros level games coming out. It is short term initial profit vs long term investment in a overall game abstract/theme/playerbase/focus and vision. I may have been a fool for working for and with them but I learned qutie a bit and have moved on to more fulfilling work. It is a shame that the people do not rise up and simply stop buying these silly games...oh wait they have.
Not sure why I am a fool. I have had three friends work for different EA subs and one was an art director. I worked for two game companies and have been friends with many in the community. The state of games is running a few years behind the state of films and music. There are many Hannah Montana/Jones Bros level games coming out. It is short term initial profit vs long term investment in a overall game abstract/theme/playerbase/focus and vision. I may have been a fool for working for and with them but I learned qutie a bit and have moved on to more fulfilling work. It is a shame that the people do not rise up and simply stop buying these silly games...oh wait they have.
Well said, RansomDenton.
All those memories will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
Where do you (and if not you, than the makers of this) get your future insight powers? People seem to know EXACTLY what the game will be like before its released! I didnt even know that was possible. Can you also tell me what game will be the WoW killer? What year its gonna be released? Oh and when will we finally develop the technology to use renewable resourses for our daily needs? KK thnx bro, I greatly appreciate it.
DISCLAIMER: Yes I know some of this info is in fact FACT, but some of it is made on assumption. And some people ASSUME it to be right.
WoW is the Ford Model T of MMORPGs.
The WoW killer will never exist and never be released.
And even if it would be, I wouldnt play it either, so meh.
And yes, there is reliable information available about SWTOR. It got 150 million $ development cost, compared to 30 million $ for WoW (and Vanguard, by the way). So yeah, there is good hope it will be good.
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The only joke I saw was that someone took the time to make it and that others thought it was funny. And considering that most of what was in the strip was inaccurate...well I guess the joke is on them for wasted time and effort.
In Bioware we trust!
Would you say you had much of a sense of humour when it comes to this game?
Double post
It was creative, but it really wasn't that funny.
Of course if you agreed with the message, you'd be ROFLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOL'ing.
It was kinda amature humor and since it was inaccurate if failed. Guess it's just a matter of taste.
In Bioware we trust!
I must admit I am only paying slight attention to what information if being given out by bioware, so I will ask an honest question. Where was the comic inaccurate?
1. Planet-size has been demonstrated to be huge by people actually playing. Not someone ballparking figures based on screenshots and the like.
2. Some races can only have certain classes. That's hardly new, bad, or unusual. They've officially said initial announcements they just linked one race per class, but that doesn't mean those races can only pick those classes at all.
3. It glosses over the fact that have multiple Jedi/Sith classes makes sense. If means you don't have 50% of the population running around as one class, which would be bad (a lot of polling indicates about half the people want to play Jedi or Sith, so making half the classes Jedi/Sith makes a lot of sense).
4. You CAN move in the tunnel shooter, but so far they have said you can't change your speed. Of course, it is largely meant to be a mini-game. (The comic removes the context).
Then it has the standard "why can't it be SWG2" whining (both obvious and by implication) that is very old on here, but that's not technically innaccurate. Naturally not much time is spent going over any of the positives such as combat where you fight multiple guys at once (which is pretty awesome in my book), and so forth.
It might be funny to me as a charicature of people who hate on the game, if it WAS a charicature. Unfortunately a lot of people who hate the game ARE this misinformed and very serious about it. Providing links, evidence, testimonials of people who've played, etc, etc, does nothing to convince them they are wrong even on the most obvious points (like world size). So to me the comic is more of a reminder of how frustrating a lot of mindless haters are.
1) Can you define "huge"? Just saying the word huge doesn't mean the claim made in the comic is untrue does it?
2) Are you saying the claims in the picture are true on this point?
3) Are you saying the claims in the picture are true on this point?
4) I think it was implied that you can't move off the predesignated path, but again I ask, are you saying the claims in the picture are ture on this point?
I'm not really seeing the misinformation everyone is claimed, but rather some opinions of why those points of information are ok for the game.
Nor does the picture read like a "SWG2" whinefest to me. There are some logical comparisons like number of classes and planets. I guess it is just left to the reader what they wish to imply from the message.
1. Took someone just under an hour going in a STRAIGHT LINE to go around Hutta. So they didn't even see everything by a long shot. That's huge. Yes, the comic is absolutely false here.
2. Yes, races have more than one class available to them, the comic says otherwise and is wrong.
3. The implication that the move makes no sense is wrong. If you want to get into the number of classes, then technically there are 16 classes since each individual class has 2 very distinct classes they can become. Your choice of advanced class unlocks completely new abilities that aren't available to people who make the other choice AND a new talent tree. Of course, if they actually described the complexity of the class system fairly, then they couldn't act like it was an outrage.
4. It implies space combat is a bigger part of the game than it actually is, and this is further hightened by how references both obvious and implied to SWG appear in the comic. The sentences are made to deliberately compare things to how SWG did things generally speaking, even if SWG isn't mentioned. That said, I don't think it was implied it is a tube shooter, it was implied that you simply can't move (and games like that HAVE been made). They specifically say you can't move afterall. Now, you could say "but they reference Starfox" except in Starfax you CAN move AND change your speed.
I can see an argument for point 3, but overall the whole this was very innaccurate and beyond that grossly unfair by focusing in some cases are fairly minor game details and acting like they are major components.
Anyhow, the comic is the exact sort of drivel that has made it impossible to discuss the actual game being made, merits and flaws, in a reasonable manner. It's hyperbole and lies that doesn't realize it is hyperbole and lies.
Where did they get that 7 minute figure? The source I've seen says it takes at least an hour to cross a planet and that was a starting planet.
So 8 classes + 16 advanced classes is a bad thing now? I don't know of many MMOs that go beyond that many, and it seems like when many do there is just a lot of repitition.
Also, we know very little about what races are available to what classes. It makes sense that certain races, like the Chiss or Zabrak, aren't playable as Jedi, Trooper, etc. These races are generally depicted as "dark side" races in the source material.
And the "only humaniod races" thing is a stupid criticism. Who give a flying frack if you can't play as a Wookie or Rhodian? I'm sick of people complaining about that.
I do agree that they shouldn't have made space combat like a tunnel shooter. That's the only valid criticism I think.
This whole "comic" reads like it was made by a disgruntled SWG vet who was dissapointed that Bioware didn't make them SWG Pre-NGE 2: Electric Bugaloo.
I'd like to make a comic that goes "Did you hear? Bioware is making a new MMO based on their classic game Knights of the Old Republic! It has over 800 hours of content at launch, an in depth engaging storyline, quests aren't a boring little text boxes but are interactive cutscenes where you interact with the questgiver, your decisions influence the outcome of the mission, player housing (something that seems pretty rare in MMOs nowadays,) plus all the MMO staples anyone can expect like grouping and crafting!"
Nobody would pay any attention to it unless they could twist it around.
Anything positive about this game is a lie, obviously.
Sony is also well known for using duplicitous marketing practices in the past (like that fake "All I Want For Chistmas is a PSP" blog they put out a few years back.) So it wouldn't surprise me at all is SOE was attempting to sabotage SWTOR to prevent SWG from going belly-up.
rofl the pictures are perfect. I love leia's face in that one frame, and then C3PO coming in at the end.
It's made even more funny because it's so wrong too.
Well, when someone takes the trouble to compare TOR to SWG (like a lot of people on these forums, and the comic posted by the OP) then I think it's a fair assumption that the complainers are disgruntled SWG vets pissed off that the newest Star Wars MMO isn't the second coming of Pre-NGE.
We are talking about the comic posted by the OP after all, it's pretty arrogant of you and Daffid to assume we're talking about you.
Obviously. I should have known...
If they're poor developers in that regard of game design and implementation.
Denshing brings up points in regards to Rail & Tunnel Shooters.
A game that grants freedom of flight like the old X-Wing series is the complete opposite. YOU decide what maneuvers, , evasive actions, direction to fly. YOU decide when, where, and how you fight.
People talk about how a Rail / Tunnel Shooter gives an impression of a cinematic feel. That's fine if you like the idea of seeing cool stuff but cannot do anything about it, because in all likeliness you can't even go towards the direction of a specific event even if you wanted to.
A game that gives freedom is the opposite. Let me give a generic mission from the old X-Wing series of games.
You're a TIE Pilot based out of a small space station. It's normally pretty quiet there but it is busy with civillian freighter traffic. Imperial Fighters and Patrol Craft routinely scan the ships for contraband. But on this day with you on patrol, the Rebels stage an attack. First to arrive are a squadron of A-Wings that dart straight to the TIEs. Soon after the TIEs and A-Wings are fighting each other, a squadron of Y-Wings drop in with X-Wings as escorts. It seems their goal is to smash the Imperial station with most of the defending fighters kept busy. Your goal obviously is to survive and ensure the safety of the station. You got some choices available to you at the moment.
A) Keep with the rest of the TIEs and try to destroy the A-Wings as quickly as possible and then get to the strike force. But the A-Wings are well known to be maneuverable and a pain in the a** to shoot down. These specific pilots are also showing to be quite good. You do have the advantage of much greater numbers with all the TIE Fighters, but tangle with them too long and you give the Rebel strike force a free shot at the station. The possibility of Y-Wings AND X-Wings getting a free, unimpeded attack run on the station is an immense danger.
Throw into the setting the civillian traffic that includes transports, shuttles, and freighters, as well as the station itself. During flight, you'll have to maneuver around all that traffic. You could use them to throw off some pursuit as well, like quickly flying through narrow passages. But they could be a danger also since you could fly right into them if you're not careful. Plus, you're not supposed to be blowing up non-hostile civillians / Imperial citizens.
The key to that type of game is what your decisions are, where, and how you fly and fight. You are given complete freedom in how you do it.
Video game designers gave that freedom 17 years ago, and some of them still do (not just space games). For a Star Wars MMORPG to give the most basic, most restrictive, most stripped down featured form of space combat is just disappointing.
Edit to add: As far as flying goes, a game that grants that freedom of flight lets you fly to where to go and how you do it. You are dropped in somewhere and told, "Have at it." A Tunnel / Rail Shooter? It drops you into a chair and there's someone pushing you around. Some will give you absolutely no say in where to go and how you want to fly. Some may give you very limited choices, but you cannot deviate whatsoever from the course of action. Look around all you want, but you cannot go to something if the designers didn't script it in for you to go there. You can shake around in that chair and look around as much as you want, but there is still that dude pushing you from behind on a very specific set of waypoints with little to no chance of deviation.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I don't get why on the forums for a steaming pile of crap called FFXIV you can't post anything negative without it getting locked, deleted, or resulting in a warning, yet here in these forums with a game that has a lot of promise made by proven developers, troll drivel like this goes on for pages and pages and serves no purpose.
That was pretty humorous. Although, I have to say, the funniest thing was people predicting there'd be a flame war and then BOOM! it began.
I would now like to use emoticons to illustrate how many forums about this game end up:
Seriously... guys... give it a rest. It's just a game!
P.S. This post was for humor's sake and is not to be taken seriously. Still, I know there will probably be someone all angry about it and posting some ridiculous insult. *Sigh*
Teamwork: using the morons on your team as bait.
I have been under the employ of a game company,
, I have had many friends work for them and I know of people that left BW because of what they are doing to SWTOR. With that said this pic is epic, wonderful, probably inaccurate and accurate. The thing is if investors get more than 4% back on their money within a year they are very happy. 20% is amazing and the model running at game companies now makes the staff angry, the players angry and the suits a bit richer. EA is a company that in the biz is not respected in any way and after the SWG debacle with the devs admitting LA wanted a dumbed down version for a younger audience...well the curse it cast. I have no idea if this title will be epic or an epic failure or just meh but my money is on meh only because of EA and the history of myself, others and the industry.
Yes gaming companies trying to make a profit digusts me. That and trying to follow their own vision.
Don't they understand that they should pass all design decisions past anybody that has ever played a video game. On top of that they shouldn't charge us for these games. They should be happy to make them just to please us.
I agree that EA is definitely not respected in the gaming industry. They have only been around since 1982.
Not sure why I am a fool. I have had three friends work for different EA subs and one was an art director. I worked for two game companies and have been friends with many in the community. The state of games is running a few years behind the state of films and music. There are many Hannah Montana/Jones Bros level games coming out. It is short term initial profit vs long term investment in a overall game abstract/theme/playerbase/focus and vision. I may have been a fool for working for and with them but I learned qutie a bit and have moved on to more fulfilling work. It is a shame that the people do not rise up and simply stop buying these silly games...oh wait they have.
Well said, RansomDenton.
All those memories will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
Very good, made me laugh.
It is Star Wars. Players do have exaggerated expectation for sure.
WoW is the Ford Model T of MMORPGs.
The WoW killer will never exist and never be released.
And even if it would be, I wouldnt play it either, so meh.
And yes, there is reliable information available about SWTOR. It got 150 million $ development cost, compared to 30 million $ for WoW (and Vanguard, by the way). So yeah, there is good hope it will be good.