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Almost over night

vectrexevovectrexevo Member UncommonPosts: 167

Almost over night most of the negative posts went away with the release of the fixes that SE is working on...kinda funny..  I can't help but now think that FFXIV will end up like APB. I only think this because I read that article on shortest lived MMO's..

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  • aleosaleos Member UncommonPosts: 1,943

    no way in hell its going to end up like APB.

  • DiSpLiFFDiSpLiFF Member UncommonPosts: 602

    In all honesty we all got a chance to try the beta and vent complaints. Now nobody really cares, I don't think a lot of people were expecting a lot from this game. It wasn't like WAR or Aion with expectations. Especially Aion since the game seemed really polished for the beta experiences. 

  • Hrayr2148Hrayr2148 Member Posts: 649

    People think this game is in the same league as aion, aoc, warhammer, etc.

     

    This game is designed for a completely different audiance.  This game is desigend for FFXI players and japanese players.

     

    400-600k potential japanese players are not playing aion, aoc, warhammer, wow, or lotro.  However, they did play FFXI and are eagerly waiting for FFXIV.

     

    If you only get 100k in NA, 100k in Europer and 500k in Japan, you have a game with 700k+ subscribers by the time it releases on the ps3 in March.

     

    This game will be exactly like FFXI.  People hated FFXI but it didn't stop it from being an 8 year financial success.  FFXIV isn't for everyone.

  • whilanwhilan Member UncommonPosts: 3,472

    I could be wrong but since the last patch i think the reason most of the neg post went away is because they fixed a lot of complaints.  Most of my video lag is gone and the spell casting lag seems to have been majorly diminished. The mouse could be stepped up a bit but isn't that bad.

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  • VypreVypre Member Posts: 180

    It will cater to the asian market, not North America.  It will be as successful as Aion, and though still a success, not with nearly as large a NA player-base.  So an Asian success, yes.

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  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    Square Enix is not ____ (insert other development house that releases failed games and pulls the plug on them).

     

    Hell most of you would consider FFXI a flop yet it has been out now for 8+ years, has multiple expansions, and has regularly updated with content throughout its entire existence.  Or as the misguided racist poster above me said an "asian game" ignoring the fact that NA players have been playing it for years, and it still has a healthy NA population on all of its servers...

     

    It isn't like we are talking about some two bit publisher like SOE, Funcom, "real time world", Mythic, or Turbine.  This game will be around and continue to be worked on for a decade, and it will never go "free to play".

  • vectrexevovectrexevo Member UncommonPosts: 167

    Originally posted by Vypre

    It will cater to the asian market, not North America.  It will be as successful as Aion, and though still a success, not with nearly as large a NA player-base.  So an Asian success, yes.

      I don't think I will play for more then 2 months, but I will get the game only because I'm sick in the head and love playing new AAA MMO's for a few months...

  • neorandomneorandom Member Posts: 1,681

    more money was spent on ff 14 then aion and war combined x2.  they know they have a hit on their hands, a handfull of american wow xpatriot malcontents hating their game wont bother them in the least.  thats right, you haters dont matter, you never pay for anything anyway, its about time someone corrected the lie your mother made when she insisted you were special and only you counted.

     

    ps im not trolling or being mean, just shedding the light on how alot of people have been acting on this forum for a long time.

  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    Originally posted by neorandom

    more money was spent on ff 14 then aion and war combined x2.  they know they have a hit on their hands, a handfull of american wow xpatriot malcontents hating their game wont bother them in the least.  thats right, you haters dont matter, you never pay for anything anyway, its about time someone corrected the lie your mother made when she insisted you were special and only you counted.

     

    ps im not trolling or being mean, just shedding the light on how alot of people have been acting on this forum for a long time.

    Exactly I might be worried if I heard this sentiment in game from the majority of people, but the majority of people I meet in game are enjoying the game.  Whether, long time XI players or brand new to MMO's in general.

     

    Everyone knows this is a troll board anyways, and anyone who reads such negative rants to get an honest idea of the game is an idiot.  Square Enix is one of the biggest publishers/developers in the MMO market.  They have a dedicated following, another poster in this was right this isn't an Aion or WAR or LOTRO.. they are much more serious about this game than those companies were about their flops (though they did have ample help from their fair-weather communities in accomplishing that feat).

  • Proximo521Proximo521 Member UncommonPosts: 283

    Originally posted by Vypre

    It will cater to the asian market, not North America.  It will be as successful as Aion, and though still a success, not with nearly as large a NA player-base.  So an Asian success, yes.

     Speak for yourself. I live in North America and Im American. I will be playing this game when it comes out. Does that make me Japanese or Asian? Funny apparently either this poster is a racist or Square Enix as a company is.... Get a clue!

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  • Proximo521Proximo521 Member UncommonPosts: 283

    Originally posted by Murugan

      Or as the misguided racist poster above me said an "asian game" ignoring the fact that NA players have been playing it for years, and it still has a healthy NA population on all of its servers...

      Im glad that I wasnt the only one that felt that comment was a little out of line!

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  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Member UncommonPosts: 2,662

    I love how you guys write of a multi-billion dollar franchise as a potentially doomed mmo. Or as a 3rd rate mmo that only appeals to asians. You really think a IP that shoulders a billion dollar company is going to wither and die? Hmm:

    "Overall, the Final Fantasy series has been critically acclaimed and commercially successful, though each installment has seen different levels of success. The series has seen a steady increase in total sales; it sold 45 million units worldwide by August 2003, 63 million by December 2005, and 85 million by July 2008. In June 2010, Square Enix announced that the series has sold over 97 million units. Its high sales numbers have ranked it as one of the best-selling video game franchises in the industry; in January 2007, the series was listed as number three, and later in July as number four. Several games within the series have become best-selling titles. At the end of 2007, the seventh, eighth, and ninth best-selling RPGs were Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy X respectively. Final Fantasy VII has sold more than 9.5 million copies worldwide, earning it the position of the best-selling Final Fantasy title. Within two days of Final Fantasy VIII's North American release on September 9, 1999, it became the top-selling video game in the United States, a position it held for more than three weeks. Final Fantasy X sold over 1.4 million Japanese units in pre-orders alone, which set a record for the fastest-selling console RPG. Final Fantasy XII sold more than 1.7 million copies in its first week in Japan. By November 6, 2006—one week after its release—Final Fantasy XII had shipped approximately 1.5 million copies in North America."

     

    Just goes tyo show you that life continues outside this little bubble you call mmorpg.com.

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  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    I'm sorry but it is clearly MMORPG.com and it's community that is 3rd rate.

     

    Just look at their coverage of this game, I haven't seen one article that wasn't blatenlty ripped off from elsewhere or so full of holes, and misinformation I wanted to vomit.  I know they don't pay their staff (I hope they don't pay their staff) but you would think they could get some random forumite to write up a half decent article about one of the biggest franchises in gaming.

  • OmaliOmali MMO Business CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,177

    Originally posted by Murugan

    It isn't like we are talking about some two bit publisher like SOE, Funcom, "real time world", Mythic, or Turbine.  This game will be around and continue to be worked on for a decade, and it will never go "free to play".

    Um...Sony continues to support all of their in-house MMOs until they are no longer viable to have more than a skeleton crew on, in which case they keep the game online as long as humanly possible to allow the few hundred players who still play it (many on the Station Pass) to continue playing. The only MMO they've shut down is The Matrix Online. Their main staple games (Everquest, Everquest II, and Pirates of the Burning Sea) receive regular updates and expansions, and even Star Wars Galaxies receives new content, despite cutting down to twelve servers last year. You can trash Sony's handling of Vanguard and Star Wars Galaxies (pre-CU), but they're not the evil empire people make them out to be.

    Mythic still supports their MMOs, with both Dark age of Camelot and Warhammer Online pulling in healthy numbers, with both titles being profitable and lively, and Mythic has talked several times this year that they have no intention on lowering support for either title. They've even gone as far as taking on the hosting in other regions, so everything is done through Mythic now.

    Turbine brought Dungeons and Dragons Online back from the brink of death, and Lord of the Rings moved partially free to play because it's a good business decision. Most of the people who hate Turbine's model are the subscription elitists who consider anything with a free to play option immediately inferior. 

    Realtime Worlds I will agree with. That company drove All Points Bulletin into the ground, and faster than any other retail MMO that has ever seen launch.

    If you want a company to knock on, you should look at NCsoft, who shut down almost half of their library over the past three years. Look at NCsoft, who had bugs in their account system that allowed you to randomly log into someone else's account and edit their settings. Look at Acclaim, who led players on in Chronicles of Spellborn for a full year before going bankrupt and shutting down the title. Look at Gala-Net, who tried to get away with charging US/EU players 10x the price in the cash shop that the Russian players were paying. How about Atlantica Online pulling that $40 cash shop "charity" item, when they only contributed 5% ($2) to the charity, gaining so much bad feedback that Child's Play asked to have their name removed from the charity event, and denied any contributions.

    There are plenty of "two-bit companies" and you're going after the wrong people for the wrong reasons, when there are so many other companies who deserve the ire of the community.

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  • NekrataalNekrataal Member Posts: 557

    Originally posted by neorandom

    more money was spent on ff 14 then aion and war combined x2....

     Proof? No, seriously, I want to see the numbers.

    Or was it just a brain fart?

  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    Originally posted by Omali

    Originally posted by Murugan

    It isn't like we are talking about some two bit publisher like SOE, Funcom, "real time world", Mythic, or Turbine.  This game will be around and continue to be worked on for a decade, and it will never go "free to play".

    Um...Sony continues to support all of their in-house MMOs until they are no longer viable to have more than a skeleton crew on, in which case they keep the game online as long as humanly possible to allow the few hundred players who still play it (many on the Station Pass) to continue playing. The only MMO they've shut down is The Matrix Online. Their main staple games (Everquest, Everquest II, and Pirates of the Burning Sea) receive regular updates and expansions, and even Star Wars Galaxies receives new content, despite cutting down to twelve servers last year. You can trash Sony's handling of Vanguard and Star Wars Galaxies (pre-CU), but they're not the evil empire people make them out to be.

    Mythic still supports their MMOs, with both Dark age of Camelot and Warhammer Online pulling in healthy numbers, with both titles being profitable and lively, and Mythic has talked several times this year that they have no intention on lowering support for either title. They've even gone as far as taking on the hosting in other regions, so everything is done through Mythic now.

    Turbine brought Dungeons and Dragons Online back from the brink of death, and Lord of the Rings moved partially free to play because it's a good business decision. Most of the people who hate Turbine's model are the subscription elitists who consider anything with a free to play option immediately inferior. 

    Realtime Worlds I will agree with. That company drove All Points Bulletin into the ground, and faster than any other retail MMO that has ever seen launch.

    If you want a company to knock on, you should look at NCsoft, who shut down almost half of their library over the past three years. Look at NCsoft, who had bugs in their account system that allowed you to randomly log into someone else's account and edit their settings. Look at Acclaim, who led players on in Chronicles of Spellborn for a full year before going bankrupt and shutting down the title. Look at Gala-Net, who tried to get away with charging US/EU players 10x the price in the cash shop that the Russian players were paying. How about Atlantica Online pulling that $40 cash shop "charity" item, when they only contributed 5% ($2) to the charity, gaining so much bad feedback that Child's Play asked to have their name removed from the charity event, and denied any contributions.

    There are plenty of "two-bit companies" and you're going after the wrong people for the wrong reasons, when there are so many other companies who deserve the ire of the community.

    Yeah sorry, Dungeons of Dragons, Lord of the Rings Online both went Free to play I consider that not only failure but a slap in the face of anyone who ever had a paying subscription to those games (which I did)

     

    SOE?  They ruined Star Wars Galaxies, they gutted EQ2 and are now moving it to a semi Free to Play model (see above comments), and their treatment of Vanguard a great game with loads of potential (and issues they COULD have fixed with the money at their disposal but chose not to, instead firing most of the team in the parking lot and now gutting it further so that there is not even one full time dev, they might as well have pulled the plug with their horrid treatment) it is unforgiveable.

    Mythic trashed its design direction in both of the games you mentioned DAoC and WAR.  As did Funcom with Age of Conan, none of these games have had great track records in consistently caring for their games.

     

    I'm sorry but Square Enix is in a class above all of these developers, I am not even going to bring up WoW because while I think they have been dishonest to the original concept in that game as well and many of their fans if you throw so many billions of dollars at something it is going to stick and make enough people happy to gloss over those who feel betrayed.  Unfortuantely no other company has that luxory.

  • RansomDentonRansomDenton Member Posts: 111

    Originally posted by Murugan

     

    ...I'm sorry but Square Enix is in a class above all of these developers, I am not even going to bring up WoW because while I think they have been dishonest to the original concept in that game as well and many of their fans if you throw so many billions of dollars at something it is going to stick and make enough people happy to gloss over those who feel betrayed.  Unfortuantely no other company has that luxory.

    Very, very true.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    Originally posted by whilan

    I could be wrong but since the last patch i think the reason most of the neg post went away is because they fixed a lot of complaints.  Most of my video lag is gone and the spell casting lag seems to have been majorly diminished. The mouse could be stepped up a bit but isn't that bad.

    I think it is partly that and partly the fact that the open beta been out a while now, that takes down the number of posts naturally, both positive and negative ones.

    But it is great that they are fixing issues like this. I will still wait a few months for it myself....

  • fervorfervor Member Posts: 145

    Other than the graphics, I've heard very few good things about this game.

    Honestly, I don't think there is any reason to be excited about this game, other than the fact that it will come out on the PS3.  It seems very cookiecutter to me...almost old school.

    I hope it does do well, but I'd only consider buying it in a month or so, if the game really does turn out well.

  • haibanehaibane Member Posts: 178

    People probably just ended up buying a controler or plugging their 360's on their PC. This simple action really changed my FFXIV open beta's life.

    Too bad that a G13/Naga combo's useless for FFXIV, but well, using a controler it's pretty badass. The only hope i got is that they have dedicated euro servers so we don't have that much lag !

    Also, Square Enix have muchos dineros, they are never gonna stop supporting FF, especially when u consider their japan fan base (along with japanese-thingie freaks around the world) , it's also a good game for casual players, because you can really play it at your own pace, so it might attract a large part of family players who gave up on WoW and wanna wait for GW2 or TOR or TERA or whatever for 2011+.

    Considering the lack of good mmos these days, FF got quite a chance to have a fair amount of subs for quite some time.

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  • MuruganMurugan Member Posts: 1,494

    Originally posted by haibane

    People probably just ended up buying a controler or plugging their 360's on their PC. This simple action really changed my FFXIV open beta's life.

    Too bad that a G13/Naga combo's useless for FFXIV, but well, using a controler it's pretty badass. The only hope i got is that they have dedicated euro servers so we don't have that much lag !

    Also, Square Enix have muchos dineros, they are never gonna stop supporting FF, especially when u consider their japan fan base (along with japanese-thingie freaks around the world) , it's also a good game for casual players, because you can really play it at your own pace, so it might attract a large part of family players who gave up on WoW and wanna wait for GW2 or TOR or TERA or whatever for 2011+.

    Considering the lack of good mmos these days, FF got quite a chance to have a fair amount of subs for quite some time.

    Keyboard only is the best way to play FFXI and it is the best way to play FFXIV I don't care what controller advocates say, I haven't touched a controller since I was a boy.  If you know how to type properly (as in keyboarding, not grammar/spelling I don't see what is so hard about using keyboard only.

     

    With the new wasd ijkl setup I have instant and easy access to my entire action bar/macro pallete and all of the commands I need to play the game.  Though I use ventrillo/skype etc. I prefer to type my responses, and I have nearly zero lag time with the keyboard setup doing this even when using auto-translate.

     

    The only time I ever touch my mouse is to copy Japanese text from the chat window, alt tab, and paste it into google translate.

  • ThorqemadaThorqemada Member UncommonPosts: 1,282

    I tested it out of curiosity and bcs there is no good release the next half year and the old ones are boring.

    My feeling about FF XIV is, that this game really is from its foundations/concepts highest quality and offers a virtual world to live in with nice story quests, really good presented and that this foundatiuon can offer one of the longest lasting mmorpg experiences i will ever have.

    The UI needs some more development, i hope there are more of this really well done story quests and beside that i want to live in this world and have the option to do what i want, be it adventurer, explorer, crafter etc.

    Maybe it will be the best morpg for years to come!

    Yeah, no pvp yet, who cares...?

     

    PS: I neither play console games nor am i a japanophile gamer - this mmo is a potential high quality hit i am told by my long time gaming experience!

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