^^^I think you might want to look at EVE Online again Thomas2006. There numbers have actually been steadily growing and not declining. While CCP may be a small "indie" they certainly know what they are doing and have a pretty good product (especially compared to those other you listed).
I didn't say any of them was declining or even dieing for that matter. I am saying that compared to other MMO's anything that has been different has done piss poor compared to the games that have been similar / alike World of Warcraft / the standard in MMO's.
And 40k-100k subscriptions is not exactly a screaming success in todays market. Eve Online has a leg up in that its cost of operation is very small do to its operations location.
EVE has over 300k subscribers. Its had over 100k for a few years now and is arguably the 2nd most succesful western mmo. You might want to think about doing a little research before you post something like this again.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
i guess you all are so closed minded you have no idea about the whole global thing wa have? a round planet with more then your puny markets?
yes asians have used the fre to play model with a cash shop for over a decade. its NEW to you puny minded people because you are narrow minded and can only see hwat you want to see.
internet cafes and free 2 play games is a great profitable business model. heres a f20 game that hase thousands of players and was produced to be free to play Voyage Century Online. it makes money hand over fist. of course its a pay ti win game and cash shop but it is very profitable.
there are hundreds of free to play with im games you people dont bother to think outside the box, only see whats on your monitor. try putting your monitor in front of a window so you can be reminded youre a real person not a automon.
oh and for the record WARNER BROTHERS owns turbine now so it can be attributed to Warner co. for the free to play aspects of the future, that is the reason its other sub game isnt on this list as warner will wait until lotro runs for a while before reading the data.
i see several people who seem smart repling there but so many numbskulls who have not the first clue what a mmorpg is supposed to play like.
sad to see people fail to research the hobby they choose and just blather on about things they know absolutely nothing about.
rofl, its pretty funny you all spend more time on a mmorpg forum instead of playign the games you oh so enjoy discussing liek you were a part of the communities or dev processes. what a hoot and what a bunch of phoney people.
The reason the business model works in Asia is because, generally, Asians are poorer and have lower standards of living than people living in western nations. They simply can't afford a standard western subscription (usually around $15) and the pay as you go model works for them. Being poorer is also the reason internet cafe's, or bangs, are more widespread in Asia. Again, many Asian's can't afford to have a high speed internet connection in their home or buy a computer capable of gaming.
Oh, and almost every Asian mmo is nothing more than grindtastic crap, which is the main reason "puny minded" western gamers reject them.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Excellent article. Vanguard and Warhammer Online would have been two of my picks as well. It would seem that SOE has the F2P bug and Vanguard would be the next step...that and Star Wars Galaxies (let go of the hate my fellow pre-NGE/CU commrades). ;-}
I personally think that if WAR goes F2P, it will blow up. Now even though the game is RvR which is harder than PvE... it will increase action in tiers 2 and 3. Unfortunately i think the game is already doing a lot of F2P kind of things. The endless trial, the RvR packs, the appearance changes which can easily be turned into a cash item sucess... I think that if WAR will turn to a hybrid F2P model, it will give EA bigger guts to try the F2P model on a few other games.
Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd
Regarding all the games I know on that list I'll totally have to second that list!
Most of all the #1 place Warhammer! Ok I'm not really into that game as I haven't played it since ~ 2 months after release. Resons being problems with my hardware and somewhat low player participation back then. The box is still lying right next to me though.
With a DDO-ish model I would definitely come back! (I like the DDO model pretty much) and try to play some of their truly awesome classes and kick some asses!
Hopefully this becomes true... and maybe before Guildwars 2 is released... because if Guildwars 2 keeps its promises I can see hardly anybody in GW2 way.
Warhammer online wont be f2p. It would totally ruin the whole point of the game.
I currently play WAR and I can only say that we had enough of these chinese/asian tendencies i.e gold seller/powerlvler spammers. To make a wrong turn and make it f2p(with other words make a western game asian) would ruin it all. A game that is based on character and player skills to gain progress the f2p model could only make it totally unfair. Beside the carrie said that f2p wasn't a option at this time.
F2p is never a winning model. In asian f2p you only have the eternal grinding and the expensive item mall, with barely any game updates(and those updates who come are more than often full of bugs and flaws) and no quality at all. Asian f2p games give a feeling that the game developers only ambition is to earn cash. Real game developers makes game with passion and have ambitions to make a game that players want. In western f2p games you only see failure, less succesful game with no value(i.e DDO and LOTRO). They fail and they make them f2p to save whats able to save, ofc the f2p players get intrested but gamers like my self move on.
I dont encourage people to play f2p games since they're very expencive, lacks quality and they have no ambition to become anything in the world of gaming.
Pay the 12.99 euro a month and PLAY your way to the top and dont PAY to get there.
Warhammer as f2p? No thanks!
/a WAR player
LOL at your Lack Of Logic and racisism Holst! Yes I agree goldfarmers and powerleveling services suck, unblance games, generate spam in chat channels and dump max leveled players who have no idea what they're doing into the game. However that does not make everything Asian bad like you say it does that's just being racist and bigoted. Also by saying F2P is bad because it's Asian on top of being racist and bigoted is an Ad Hominem or attack on the man failure of logic. F2P especially the Turbine Model has a lot of potential and can make the game more accessible to other people who can't afford a monthly sub.
1. You should know that I was pointing out that asian MMO's was bad and poorly made. I frankly cant see what makes me racist and bigoted? Asians games are not bad because asian done them they're bad because the game devlopers in asia tend to think more about the profit and less a bout the quality of the game. Give me an exampel of 3 or more asian f2p mmo's that have the standard and quality as WoW or WAR have?
You say that asian devs are nothing more than money grubbing player haters who are wholy evil and western devs are the angels of light who make games because they love their players and want them to have fun. Let me correct your racists niavete, while individual devs in probably almost every case regardless of their ethnicity or where they live in the world want to make fun and enjoyable games it's also their job which means the games have to make money for the company so that the company can pay the devs. So you're bigotry is wrong again.
2. Theres a difference to make a game to just earn cash and to make a game with passion and the motivation to make a good game and at the same time earn profit. I actually never mentioned ethnicity, but it sure gives one a thought when most of the mmo games from asian(china, korea, indonesia etc) lacks the quality of many(not all ofc) western games. Nothing racist, just fact and if you choose to call it racism then so be it, only proves your ignorance to that asians makes less good mmo's(for some reason).
Last thing I'm going to touch on is that you feel that LotRO is a failure. Not because you've played pre and post F2P or probably ever. Nor because you've seen how much money it's making or any concrete evidence that it's a failure. No your entire ASSUMPTION is bases on the fact that LotRO is a failure because it's going F2P and your bigotry just knows that anything F2P is a failure because F2P is "inherently" asian in concept and your Racism makes you positive that anything asian is a failure. You sir are a racist, a bigot and completely illogical, please keep your idiocy to yourself from now on.
3. I have played Lotro as a matter of fact, both as a p2p game and tried it as f2p. I can only say that it lacks the uniqueness that for example wow have and the quality(graphic, content and so one) to stick out in the mmo masses. Its simple to assume that because it was failing they made it f2p to attract more players. Since its way better than a standard f2p mmo it has potential to be large in the f2p world, sure, but in the p2p market it had no place.
I should clear that I never intended anything to be racist, I was just stating facts(which I base on my own experince and the experience of others which I in other hand have gained by playing mmo's) from my point of view. Ofc its simple, in the name of political correctness, to blame the opponents in a matter for being racist telling them to shut up cuz racist people have no saying.
I'm no racist BUT I dislike the methods asian(not Japanese) game developers use to earn money in the mmo industry i.e item mall and poorly made games with one purpose.
I am a formerly hardcore raider that dedicated 4hours a day plus to a game, a guild & a subscription, now I want to play casually & enjoy multiple games rather than be dedicated to just one, I did that for 10 years & now my gaming tastes are different, and I want to be able to choose on a whim what I want to play, I am not alone & I occupy a sizeable demographic and games companies are listening to it & creating products to cater to that, which does not mean games that suit your demographic will not get made.
I do not ask that ALL games change to F2p at all, I just would like to see more games that are open to hybridisation INCLUDING subscription options, rather than games be one or the other I'd rather they had the option to play & pay with more flexibility (I've pumped money into games for years funding their development if I liked them, either by way of sub or MT).
I have found that playing 1 sub game as my "Main game" & having several MT based games to play sporadically also stops me getting bored & burned out & quitting MMO's altogether, and I have a very normal life outside of gaming, which is my chosen hobby.
Back in my day the raids would be a 70 to 140 man affair and last 12 hours or more! Camping ment checking on a spawn for weeks to months at a time, and waiting in lines for 32 hours or more with no sleep just for the chance at a drop *shakes walking cane* and we liked it!
No actually that last part is the reason I refuse to be hardcore anymore lol. I find I feel ya on hopin around on F2P MMOs Skuz. With the long grind that F2P games have, I feel burnout really fast, so after oh a week, I quit for a month or two.
More towards the topic, I'd like to see EQ be a F2P or a B2P considering they throw out a new expansion every what 3 to 6 months? I'd probably go back if I didn;t have to pay the sub.
I would definately play WAR for the scenario/RvR if it went F2P! Still got my Bright Wiz somewhere in there with max RR Generally i quit for the lack of pve/pvp content(dunno if they done anything with it lately).
I dont understand this F2P fetish that a lot of people have now a days. $10-$14 a month is really not that big of an issue. I heard of F2P games that cost way more then that in the long run. F2P really isnt F2P
$14 is a big issue if you don't just want one MMO to choose from. But f2p means you can dip in and out of games when you like. That appeals to me.
edit: oh and my money is on vanguard next
Same goes for me. I can't seem to stay satisfied with one mmo for any length of time these days, and I like dipping in and out of a number of different games. I would be more than happy to pay for certain things within a game such as extra content, appearance and other fluff items etc.
I'm really hoping that Warhammer Online finds a way to go with this new model of offering payment choices. I've played since last Nov (very on and off) and enjoyed Tier 1 lots, but can't afford/don't want to commit to a subscription at this point given that I play a few different games. As I said above, though, I am perfectly happy to contribute financially in some way (I like ddo and lotro's model of paying for extra content, or extra races/classes), and it would be interesting to see what EA could come up with as a payment model which would work and not be pay-to-win.
Since the games mentioned in the article are "old" games with the exception of Star Trek, why would you want to go back and play an "old" game you left, even if the game became a "FTP"?
I played lotro when it released, and the changes to the subscription model have certainly tempted me back. If I leave a game for whatever reason, I'm not keen to start subscribing again in order to see whether it is time to give it another chance. I am happy, however, to pay in some way for different things like extra content, appearance customisation options, fluff items. I do like to be offered the choice, though, so that I feel I have the option of putting in time instead of money in certain games.
Star Trek Online and Champions Online they are already Pay2Win games. Cryptic is charging a monthly fee and on top of that having a real itemshop. Only difference would be they could go way over the top with their Cstore by going Pay2Win but on the same side losing the rest of their customers.
Because they have an item shop that sales cosmetic items, they are Pay2Win?
There is nothing in the cryptic store that makes you over powered. The only things that do have abilites are items that you can get for free when you make that rank anyway.
Warhammer online wont be f2p. It would totally ruin the whole point of the game.
I currently play WAR and I can only say that we had enough of these chinese/asian tendencies i.e gold seller/powerlvler spammers. To make a wrong turn and make it f2p(with other words make a western game asian) would ruin it all. A game that is based on character and player skills to gain progress the f2p model could only make it totally unfair. Beside the carrie said that f2p wasn't a option at this time.
F2p is never a winning model. In asian f2p you only have the eternal grinding and the expensive item mall, with barely any game updates(and those updates who come are more than often full of bugs and flaws) and no quality at all. Asian f2p games give a feeling that the game developers only ambition is to earn cash. Real game developers makes game with passion and have ambitions to make a game that players want. In western f2p games you only see failure, less succesful game with no value(i.e DDO and LOTRO). They fail and they make them f2p to save whats able to save, ofc the f2p players get intrested but gamers like my self move on.
I dont encourage people to play f2p games since they're very expencive, lacks quality and they have no ambition to become anything in the world of gaming.
Pay the 12.99 euro a month and PLAY your way to the top and dont PAY to get there.
Warhammer as f2p? No thanks!
/a WAR player
LOL at your Lack Of Logic and racisism Holst! Yes I agree goldfarmers and powerleveling services suck, unblance games, generate spam in chat channels and dump max leveled players who have no idea what they're doing into the game. However that does not make everything Asian bad like you say it does that's just being racist and bigoted. Also by saying F2P is bad because it's Asian on top of being racist and bigoted is an Ad Hominem or attack on the man failure of logic. F2P especially the Turbine Model has a lot of potential and can make the game more accessible to other people who can't afford a monthly sub.
1. You should know that I was pointing out that asian MMO's was bad and poorly made. I frankly cant see what makes me racist and bigoted? Asians games are not bad because asian done them they're bad because the game devlopers in asia tend to think more about the profit and less a bout the quality of the game. Give me an exampel of 3 or more asian f2p mmo's that have the standard and quality as WoW or WAR have?
You say that asian devs are nothing more than money grubbing player haters who are wholy evil and western devs are the angels of light who make games because they love their players and want them to have fun. Let me correct your racists niavete, while individual devs in probably almost every case regardless of their ethnicity or where they live in the world want to make fun and enjoyable games it's also their job which means the games have to make money for the company so that the company can pay the devs. So you're bigotry is wrong again.
2. Theres a difference to make a game to just earn cash and to make a game with passion and the motivation to make a good game and at the same time earn profit. I actually never mentioned ethnicity, but it sure gives one a thought when most of the mmo games from asian(china, korea, indonesia etc) lacks the quality of many(not all ofc) western games. Nothing racist, just fact and if you choose to call it racism then so be it, only proves your ignorance to that asians makes less good mmo's(for some reason).
Last thing I'm going to touch on is that you feel that LotRO is a failure. Not because you've played pre and post F2P or probably ever. Nor because you've seen how much money it's making or any concrete evidence that it's a failure. No your entire ASSUMPTION is bases on the fact that LotRO is a failure because it's going F2P and your bigotry just knows that anything F2P is a failure because F2P is "inherently" asian in concept and your Racism makes you positive that anything asian is a failure. You sir are a racist, a bigot and completely illogical, please keep your idiocy to yourself from now on.
3. I have played Lotro as a matter of fact, both as a p2p game and tried it as f2p. I can only say that it lacks the uniqueness that for example wow have and the quality(graphic, content and so one) to stick out in the mmo masses. Its simple to assume that because it was failing they made it f2p to attract more players. Since its way better than a standard f2p mmo it has potential to be large in the f2p world, sure, but in the p2p market it had no place.
I should clear that I never intended anything to be racist, I was just stating facts(which I base on my own experince and the experience of others which I in other hand have gained by playing mmo's) from my point of view. Ofc its simple, in the name of political correctness, to blame the opponents in a matter for being racist telling them to shut up cuz racist people have no saying.
I'm no racist BUT I dislike the methods asian(not Japanese) game developers use to earn money in the mmo industry i.e item mall and poorly made games with one purpose.
You may not realize it but I'd say your post was racist.
How else would you define this statement?
"we had enough of these chinese/asian tendencies i.e gold seller/powerlvler spammers"
Also your tone indicates that if these actions were done by non-"chinese asians" then you'd be ok with them.
Is the problem their actions or their heritage? If it's the actions then why even bring up their heritage?
Warhammer online wont be f2p. It would totally ruin the whole point of the game.
I currently play WAR and I can only say that we had enough of these chinese/asian tendencies i.e gold seller/powerlvler spammers. To make a wrong turn and make it f2p(with other words make a western game asian) would ruin it all. A game that is based on character and player skills to gain progress the f2p model could only make it totally unfair. Beside the carrie said that f2p wasn't a option at this time.
F2p is never a winning model. In asian f2p you only have the eternal grinding and the expensive item mall, with barely any game updates(and those updates who come are more than often full of bugs and flaws) and no quality at all. Asian f2p games give a feeling that the game developers only ambition is to earn cash. Real game developers makes game with passion and have ambitions to make a game that players want. In western f2p games you only see failure, less succesful game with no value(i.e DDO and LOTRO). They fail and they make them f2p to save whats able to save, ofc the f2p players get intrested but gamers like my self move on.
I dont encourage people to play f2p games since they're very expencive, lacks quality and they have no ambition to become anything in the world of gaming.
Pay the 12.99 euro a month and PLAY your way to the top and dont PAY to get there.
Warhammer as f2p? No thanks!
/a WAR player
LOL at your Lack Of Logic and racisism Holst! Yes I agree goldfarmers and powerleveling services suck, unblance games, generate spam in chat channels and dump max leveled players who have no idea what they're doing into the game. However that does not make everything Asian bad like you say it does that's just being racist and bigoted. Also by saying F2P is bad because it's Asian on top of being racist and bigoted is an Ad Hominem or attack on the man failure of logic. F2P especially the Turbine Model has a lot of potential and can make the game more accessible to other people who can't afford a monthly sub.
1. You should know that I was pointing out that asian MMO's was bad and poorly made. I frankly cant see what makes me racist and bigoted? Asians games are not bad because asian done them they're bad because the game devlopers in asia tend to think more about the profit and less a bout the quality of the game. Give me an exampel of 3 or more asian f2p mmo's that have the standard and quality as WoW or WAR have?
You say that asian devs are nothing more than money grubbing player haters who are wholy evil and western devs are the angels of light who make games because they love their players and want them to have fun. Let me correct your racists niavete, while individual devs in probably almost every case regardless of their ethnicity or where they live in the world want to make fun and enjoyable games it's also their job which means the games have to make money for the company so that the company can pay the devs. So you're bigotry is wrong again.
2. Theres a difference to make a game to just earn cash and to make a game with passion and the motivation to make a good game and at the same time earn profit. I actually never mentioned ethnicity, but it sure gives one a thought when most of the mmo games from asian(china, korea, indonesia etc) lacks the quality of many(not all ofc) western games. Nothing racist, just fact and if you choose to call it racism then so be it, only proves your ignorance to that asians makes less good mmo's(for some reason).
Last thing I'm going to touch on is that you feel that LotRO is a failure. Not because you've played pre and post F2P or probably ever. Nor because you've seen how much money it's making or any concrete evidence that it's a failure. No your entire ASSUMPTION is bases on the fact that LotRO is a failure because it's going F2P and your bigotry just knows that anything F2P is a failure because F2P is "inherently" asian in concept and your Racism makes you positive that anything asian is a failure. You sir are a racist, a bigot and completely illogical, please keep your idiocy to yourself from now on.
3. I have played Lotro as a matter of fact, both as a p2p game and tried it as f2p. I can only say that it lacks the uniqueness that for example wow have and the quality(graphic, content and so one) to stick out in the mmo masses. Its simple to assume that because it was failing they made it f2p to attract more players. Since its way better than a standard f2p mmo it has potential to be large in the f2p world, sure, but in the p2p market it had no place.
I should clear that I never intended anything to be racist, I was just stating facts(which I base on my own experince and the experience of others which I in other hand have gained by playing mmo's) from my point of view. Ofc its simple, in the name of political correctness, to blame the opponents in a matter for being racist telling them to shut up cuz racist people have no saying.
I'm no racist BUT I dislike the methods asian(not Japanese) game developers use to earn money in the mmo industry i.e item mall and poorly made games with one purpose.
You may not realize it but I'd say your post was racist.
How else would you define this statement?
"we had enough of these chinese/asian tendencies i.e gold seller/powerlvler spammers"
Also your tone indicates that if these actions were done by non-"chinese asians" then you'd be ok with them.
Is the problem their actions or their heritage? If it's the actions then why even bring up their heritage?
I myself dont see it that way. It is a well known fact that there is a lot of gold selling power leveling companies operated in the forien market. I would be interesting to know how amy of that type of gold selling/power levling is done by any company in the U.S. Most of the ones I have ever seen adverties in some of the games I play come from the aisian market. Where was those stolen wow accounts found, in south korea on a server farm by Norton.
Im just saying it sure seams that a lot of the forien companies bread and butter are in the gold selling/power leveling trade, and also hacked accouts trade.
I have to suggest that SWG might also fit the same 'hybrid' concept as LOTRO did .. offering either a full access subscription along with a F2P access.
Why? Because SWG is not going to grow by any significant amount.. SWTOR is definately going to put a big dent into SWG subscription base, even if it may not be permanent.
SWG has tons of 'paid for' legacy content to offer to attract F2P.. and there is certainly an economy for 'pay shop cosmetics' as the current Trading Card Game system has already proven.
Additional character slots.. larger datapads.. etc.. could be rolled into the 'shop' pay-to-access componentst that subscribers could get included.
SWG is an old lady in terms of MMO's.. lots of great things.. lots of content.. but not new or shiney or even marketed anymore. A F2P option might revive the revenue a little and give the developers some more cash to hire an extra developer or two.
I am betting a lot of big-wigs are eyeballing LOTRO right now, and the other games, to see if this F2P offering has traction and boosts revenue.
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EVE has over 300k subscribers. Its had over 100k for a few years now and is arguably the 2nd most succesful western mmo. You might want to think about doing a little research before you post something like this again.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
The reason the business model works in Asia is because, generally, Asians are poorer and have lower standards of living than people living in western nations. They simply can't afford a standard western subscription (usually around $15) and the pay as you go model works for them. Being poorer is also the reason internet cafe's, or bangs, are more widespread in Asia. Again, many Asian's can't afford to have a high speed internet connection in their home or buy a computer capable of gaming.
Oh, and almost every Asian mmo is nothing more than grindtastic crap, which is the main reason "puny minded" western gamers reject them.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
SWG
If it went free to play, and old players (and new) got a chance to try the game as it is now, its reputation may actually be somewhat rectified.
Excellent article. Vanguard and Warhammer Online would have been two of my picks as well. It would seem that SOE has the F2P bug and Vanguard would be the next step...that and Star Wars Galaxies (let go of the hate my fellow pre-NGE/CU commrades). ;-}
*comrades:)
I personally think that if WAR goes F2P, it will blow up. Now even though the game is RvR which is harder than PvE... it will increase action in tiers 2 and 3. Unfortunately i think the game is already doing a lot of F2P kind of things. The endless trial, the RvR packs, the appearance changes which can easily be turned into a cash item sucess... I think that if WAR will turn to a hybrid F2P model, it will give EA bigger guts to try the F2P model on a few other games.
Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd
f2p sucks!
and i dont like mmorpg articles which sounds like "f2p better than p2p or b2p".
LF PvP game...for years...
Current: changing game everyday
Played: Shaiya, Aion, Perfect World(short time), Aika
Tried: EQ2, DAOC, LOTR, Atlantica Online...
Future: Any pvp game..couldnt found yet...
I think vanilla WoW should be F2p with cata coming up....i wish.
Regarding all the games I know on that list I'll totally have to second that list!
Most of all the #1 place Warhammer! Ok I'm not really into that game as I haven't played it since ~ 2 months after release. Resons being problems with my hardware and somewhat low player participation back then. The box is still lying right next to me though.
With a DDO-ish model I would definitely come back! (I like the DDO model pretty much) and try to play some of their truly awesome classes and kick some asses!
Hopefully this becomes true... and maybe before Guildwars 2 is released... because if Guildwars 2 keeps its promises I can see hardly anybody in GW2 way.
Back in my day the raids would be a 70 to 140 man affair and last 12 hours or more! Camping ment checking on a spawn for weeks to months at a time, and waiting in lines for 32 hours or more with no sleep just for the chance at a drop *shakes walking cane* and we liked it!
No actually that last part is the reason I refuse to be hardcore anymore lol. I find I feel ya on hopin around on F2P MMOs Skuz. With the long grind that F2P games have, I feel burnout really fast, so after oh a week, I quit for a month or two.
More towards the topic, I'd like to see EQ be a F2P or a B2P considering they throw out a new expansion every what 3 to 6 months? I'd probably go back if I didn;t have to pay the sub.
I would definately play WAR for the scenario/RvR if it went F2P! Still got my Bright Wiz somewhere in there with max RR
Generally i quit for the lack of pve/pvp content(dunno if they done anything with it lately).
AGE OF CONAN !!!!!!!!!!!
Very doubtful, their income is way up at the moment due to the expansion. Perhaps in the future but it's not something id like to bet on.
Edit - /snipped the quote as it was annoying
Same goes for me. I can't seem to stay satisfied with one mmo for any length of time these days, and I like dipping in and out of a number of different games. I would be more than happy to pay for certain things within a game such as extra content, appearance and other fluff items etc.
I'm really hoping that Warhammer Online finds a way to go with this new model of offering payment choices. I've played since last Nov (very on and off) and enjoyed Tier 1 lots, but can't afford/don't want to commit to a subscription at this point given that I play a few different games. As I said above, though, I am perfectly happy to contribute financially in some way (I like ddo and lotro's model of paying for extra content, or extra races/classes), and it would be interesting to see what EA could come up with as a payment model which would work and not be pay-to-win.
I played lotro when it released, and the changes to the subscription model have certainly tempted me back. If I leave a game for whatever reason, I'm not keen to start subscribing again in order to see whether it is time to give it another chance. I am happy, however, to pay in some way for different things like extra content, appearance customisation options, fluff items. I do like to be offered the choice, though, so that I feel I have the option of putting in time instead of money in certain games.
Because they have an item shop that sales cosmetic items, they are Pay2Win?
There is nothing in the cryptic store that makes you over powered. The only things that do have abilites are items that you can get for free when you make that rank anyway.
PLANETSIDE!!!
Make respecs / access to other empire equipment & vehicles / advanced version of implants / temporary rank increase / etc. and microtransaction
Making WAR F2P would be most excellent.
Momo sucks, I have proof.
Holysmoke Planetside is still around??
Momo sucks, I have proof.
i bet for Lineage 2 for the next F2P game!!! (HOPE) =~~
To be honest I dont see any of cryptic's games like STO gong FTP, the reason why is they already have the store built in and a sub on top of that.
Why cange it, there not about to give up on the sub part.
You may not realize it but I'd say your post was racist.
How else would you define this statement?
"we had enough of these chinese/asian tendencies i.e gold seller/powerlvler spammers"
Also your tone indicates that if these actions were done by non-"chinese asians" then you'd be ok with them.
Is the problem their actions or their heritage? If it's the actions then why even bring up their heritage?
I myself dont see it that way. It is a well known fact that there is a lot of gold selling power leveling companies operated in the forien market. I would be interesting to know how amy of that type of gold selling/power levling is done by any company in the U.S. Most of the ones I have ever seen adverties in some of the games I play come from the aisian market. Where was those stolen wow accounts found, in south korea on a server farm by Norton.
Im just saying it sure seams that a lot of the forien companies bread and butter are in the gold selling/power leveling trade, and also hacked accouts trade.
I have to suggest that SWG might also fit the same 'hybrid' concept as LOTRO did .. offering either a full access subscription along with a F2P access.
Why? Because SWG is not going to grow by any significant amount.. SWTOR is definately going to put a big dent into SWG subscription base, even if it may not be permanent.
SWG has tons of 'paid for' legacy content to offer to attract F2P.. and there is certainly an economy for 'pay shop cosmetics' as the current Trading Card Game system has already proven.
Additional character slots.. larger datapads.. etc.. could be rolled into the 'shop' pay-to-access componentst that subscribers could get included.
SWG is an old lady in terms of MMO's.. lots of great things.. lots of content.. but not new or shiney or even marketed anymore. A F2P option might revive the revenue a little and give the developers some more cash to hire an extra developer or two.
I am betting a lot of big-wigs are eyeballing LOTRO right now, and the other games, to see if this F2P offering has traction and boosts revenue.
SWG/STO/(SWTOR)