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Ziggen
Member Posts: 29
Well I bought all the hype about the game and ran out and got the collectors edition with the wife...
Installation was all in all a bit long but not as bad as some other MMO's in the past.
Patch download was very painful but I understand it's busy... (Torrent downloader is good... whatever they are using... bad...)
Account setup is fubar... good luck, I managed it so will you evenutally
Very impressive start to the game once logged in though... the start has been setup with a great video sequence...
Once your done the initial intro, that's when things go a bit downhill...
1. There is not a lot of documentation, sure I figured it out but things were a bit frustrating to start
2. Questing system seems very limited, same few quests over and over... you have to get cards from the adventurers guild (leavequests they call it) then go to an Atheryte crystal (starting crystal is a ways from the starting area), you then start the timed quest at the crystal and have 30 mins to complete it... solo, duo, group etc (you get to pick). Then you run a ways to get to the mobs to defeat and then it gets worse...
3. The combat system is probably the worst I've ever seen. Very laggy, slow... seems a bit lethargic...
4. Movement seems like a very bad original xbox game style... cursor keys and mouse used to move... cursors to move and mouse for direction...
5. No drag and drop for anything... can't drag and drop equipment, skills ... nada. everything is click and menu based. Kinda old school technology in my opinion.
6. My Core i7 with high end vid card, 12GB ram, etc runs the game ... ok. Better have a pretty decent rig to play this romper room game!
Graphically the game is quite good... great concept. The play and mechanics however are (in my opinion) basically still Alpha. This is probably a decent game for younger kids but i can't see it appealing to older kids or even medium core gamers at all...
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Comments
atleast from here, the hype was nonexistant and views were overwhelmingly negative
You poor fool, don't you realize that this game is only for the elite? Now, if you excuse me, I had limburger cheese for dinner and am anxiously awaiting the aftermath.
Or something like that.
Seriously, no game is for everyone. If FFXIV seems so very terrible to you, and you can't get over your first impressions enough to see why pleanty of MMORPG vetrerans like this game, then it's probably best you move on. On the other hand, if you do stick around a bit longer than those first impressions, perhaps overcome your love of dragging and dropping and being lead around by quest carrots everywhere you go, you may just find out a few ways in which this game blows away the competition.
I have to say that I am rather disappointed with where this thread went. I was certain that somebody had finally posted some pictures of my ex-wife on the internet...
...oh well.
Then again, as far as FFXIV goes - everybody knew it was going to be what it was before OB - not sure anybody can feign being surprised at the results.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
I wonder why people cant respect and accept that not everyone will like the same game, and leave it at that.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
Since when can something be alpha? you know alphas just a phase of testing right?
Besides that, gameplay and mechanics are going to be pretty similar from alpha to release anyway.
Oh wait i forgot alhpa just means "i dont like this? in mmo speak.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
What do you consider a "high end vid card?" I'm curious because you posted the rest of your specs.
My Core i7 with a mid range video card and 4GB ram runs this game at 60FPS.
We just can't get enough of these "I've played the game for 2 hours" reviews.
Well... I'm sorry to hear you didn't like it. The game mechanics are FF, if you don't like FF, you're not going to like FFXIV, that's a given. That being said, the game is set up to involve thinking. The menus take a little bit of getting used to, but things basically move at a regular pace once you get used to the UI, then it stops feeling so old. I think you need to play a little bit more to get a real sense of the game, just my two cents of the matter.
eh ... I dunno. The guy does seem like he had a pretty miserable time.
I could see him now, twisting and turning in agony while he plays the game, hoping that the pain will subside eventually.
Maybe a prescription of pain killers might help him through the first couple of weeks of gameplay.
Might be worth a try.
Hey there's a first ...
First MMO that requires one to be medicated to play.
Not bad.
lol! The leve points you to exactly where the mobs are and they spawn just for you. Its a kiddy quest system I really have no idea why people rant on about it being hardcore.
[mod edit]
Okay so I'm not a "fanboy" by any means although I do love the Final Fantasy franchise. I can understand your frustration but I seem to have a very different experience from you.
First, WASD can be used to move just like any MMO. Although I prefer using my controller because it feels more natural to play this game with it. Combat system to me is good, albeit the targeting system is a pain in the bum. I wish they would allow for us to tab to next non player character instead although maybe it's already in game and I just haven't figured out how to do it yet for the controller.
Anyway, I'm sorry the game isn't for you but I hope you find the right game for you.
listen... i'm a huge ff11 guy. i love that game. i'm actually logged into 14 right now, on vent with my linkshell.
this game... is not fun....
it can be, but it's not.
1. the targeting system is godddd awful (yes i'm using a game-pad)
2. i just did some gleve quests partying and what i've noticed is you might get more exp by fighting harder monsters etc, but you get wayyy wayyy wayy less "weapon skill" exp. compared to soloing lower tier gleves.
3. combat isn't bad, it's not, it's just not "that great" either.
4. can't see party members location in maps (it's nit picky but very frustrating).
5. i can get faster/more reliable exp fishing than actual fighting. (could be bad depending on the way you look at it) ...oh and i mean physical exp of course.
6. needs a better way to decipher difficulty of monsters, the little color coded circle next to a name doesn't really help all that much.... also, our party was killing rank 5 gleve quests np, but then we got one (same level 10~ ) and it was way too hard to be in that bracket compared to others.
7. chat is indecipherable. it's so hard to tell when someone /say's something if you're reading npc text, i have yet to find a way to change colors of types of text and am starting to believe that doesn't exist. (linkshell/party chat/shout have unique colors but /say doesn't)
8. no /sea.
9. it's wayyyy too hard to find an item to buy. i'm all for a player run economy, but seriously you can not ever find anything in bazzars. half the time it's people just selling crystals. (super f'n annoying btw)
10. it just doesn't "feel" fun. it sucks that in this mmo that i was looking forward to (i bought a new pc...basically for this game) fishing...yes fishing.. is more fun to me than going out and killing things.
/sigh.
i love every ff game...every single one. i love the stories/characters/graphics/battle systems.... i've played and still play XI (6 years and going now) but...this game needs work.
pleassseeeeee SE fix this...
You just need to play more.
Sorry you bought the game. It sucks when you feel like you just wasted cash on a game that you can't play. Maybe your post will help someone else avoid the same problem.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
I realize you are a fan and all, but you really need to cool your jets. Lets say it how it is, shall we? We can do that without insulting people....we're all big boys here...well a few are anyway. Now off to my point...
I have never seen more quest handholding in a game...leves in particular. An oversize quest tracker appears at the top of your screen (you can't miss it, trust me)...and just in case you cannot count to three, it keeps track of your "kill x" or "gather x". In addition, your map is marked with a yellowish area...ya know...in case you don't where to go... Just in case you are scratching your head with your empty hand, an arrow appears telling you which direction to move your character...This is not FFXI. My 6 year old was doing quests in this game.
Yes, there is hand-holding in FFXIV.
Edit: Forgot to add...You enter the game on a string of quests. A string of quests you cannot avoid doing...unless you just don't want to progress in the game at all and plan on hanging out in a noobie instance forever. Sure, you can choose not to do quests after the intro....but you can do the same thing in WoW technically too. Quests = progression in FFXIV. This game is not that unique there.
2 hours its the maximum time most people can force themselfes to play it without having a stroke.
Thinking is required to adjust to the poor UI. I get that. So what exactly requires thinking after adjustment to the controls and UI?
Stats? Cuz we don't have enough information yet?
What am I supposed to be thinking about? What is supposed to be so challenging intellectually about FFXIV? Stamina and MP usage? An example would be fantastic.
Well.. you got to admit he is right about the quests. I've only seen 4 quests so far in the starting zone. And you just get to redo them until lvl10 I think?
I can also understand the comments about the combat system. Personally I don't think its slow at all, BUT.. and its a HUGE BUT, either there is serious bug or huge amounts of lag. Majority of the time I got killed because of "target already engaged" OR because of the totally useless targeting system.
Movement is very erratic. Moving with mouse + keyboard is fine, but using a gamepad it becomes less easy. Add to that you're constantly bumping into invisible walls, were you should be able to just jump down. How come we can kill monsters but not walk down a hill? Not even taking about some mountainside here!
I understand why there is no drag and drop function, I guess that wouldn't work on anything other than a desktop. But why not make 2 slightly different versions of the game instead? One for PC/Mac and one non desktops. The menu system works on a gamepad but even then it's over complicated. Drag and drop or even just clickable objects and normal menus would have improved the user experience greatly. They did introduce hardware mouse which is great, but what's the point when the rest of the interface isn't designed for use with mouse (or keyboard).
The game could be really great as it has a lot of things going for it. I really like the combat, graphics etc. It could have become one of the big MMOs but because of the interface it never will be. There is no way of hiding the fact that it's extremely badly designed and it will put most people off. Anyone who says it's not a problem is obviously a fan boy. The simple truth is that they failed miserably with the interface.
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Played: FFXIV, WAR, Allods, Aion, AoC, DDO, EQ2, GW, Lotro, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard, WoW
Maybe I'm missing something but why do certain fanbois seem to think the game is 'for the elite' again?
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
I am still attempting to withold judgement till a good month after headstart release. I have been playing for two days now. I did not play in any of the beta versions and came into the game completally green to it. I play with a mouse and keyboard. I only played FFXI for one day and hated that game and never loaded it up again. I have however played a lot of the FF series but only really liked FFII, VII, and VIIII. Not a fan boy in any way. However based on the people in this forum simply liking this game or defending it in any way makes someone a fan boy.
For my part (and again remember, I never played beta and hated FFXI) I have actually enjoyed my time so far in the game. The UI definately Archaic but it only took me a good half hour to get used to it and figure out the basics of it to a point where I could play just fine. There is some lag still server side and some client issues. Like I cannot alt tab out without getting a direct x error messege. And this is not a driver issue I have all the most up to date drivers. Combat I'm actually enjoying at this point, it is a little clunky but was easy for me to get the hang of and have not yet run into the "target is already engaged" issue that other people are talking about.
Questing by the time I was done with the first 4 leve battle quests I was able to pick up the next set of quests for the story line. When I was done with that I was able to pick up the regional lvl 10 leve battle quests for the next hub. I"ve really enjoyed the story line quests up to this point though I am done with the first chain of them and am anxiously looking foward to more if there are more and I greatly hope there are.
Finding my way around. This really hasn't been an issue finding npc's. Quest chain NPC's in the journal are clearly explained where to find them. After some negotiating the map and figuring out where the paths are wasn't really that hard and kinda enjoyable.
The size of the world on a whole has me very immersed in the game over all I think this game is right on par with next gen as far as graphics, but gives me the feeling of nostalgia of old school games as far as everything else goes. I enjoy actually. having to look aroound and learn things again.
I remember when I played EQ1 I was a puller for our groups in dungeons. We didn't have dungeon map I had to actually memorize these maze like dungeons and remember how to get back to my groups while I was pulling mobs. The game worlds back then were so big that I actually felt immersed in the world. So far this game is giving me that feeling again immersion is what its about for me. I'll direct you to a couple of the main topics on MMORPG.com and I think this game "SO FAR" is giving me what the article writer is looking for.
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/4547/page/1
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/feature/4554/General-Fighting-Talk-Old-vs-New-MMOs-Part-2.html
Edited: to fixe the links
For Targetting you realize you have different options ?
Tab (if nothing is targetted you target yourself first and then it seem to move clockwise)
F11 (target near)
F9 (target self)
F12 (target group)
Mouse - in fight if i want to switch targets i use the mouse, the combat isnt that fast you do not miss the enemy. But for that you have to disable the targetlock (Keystroke C) bcs without that your camera focusses the locked enemy and moves back to it even you try to look at the other mob you want to target next.
Without target lock you can move and look around freely while fighting.
I switch form locked mode to unlocked mode as i need it.
In locked mode its like "Face Enemy" in Daoc AND your moves are centered around the locked enemy. It quite cool if you get used to it.
It is true the "enemy engaged" message is annoying but you should know when you have to run away in every case the fight goes bad and you will be defeated soon^^
The story quests are very well done and its hard to miss a hint if you read the text.
Some triggers may lag a bit bcs the servers are full but as of now there was not a single gamestopping bug in 12 hours of gameplay.
All of my friends that have tried the game out got used ot the interface after a while and say its not a big deal bcs the game mechanics, the world, the art and graphical quality are outstanding.
After a very long time its a game you need to use some percent of your brain instead of rushing form exclamation mark to interrogation mark...
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If you dont like it, your a hater and the game is not done for you. Dont try to change ANYTHING to the game because IT IS PERFECT, so anything you will say against the game makes you a hater even if you just want to give your opinion how to improve the game. So dont worry, if the game aint 1st on subscription, its because of Wow's fault made all of us noob and we turn our destiny against THE REAL GAME.
HERE ARE THE FACTS :
1-Most of the people think the UI sucks, fanboi will answer: its not a game for you or play more you will get over it.
2-Keyboard and mouse controls sucks, Fanboi will answer: its not a game for you or try it with a controler.
3-Combat is slow mode, Fanboi will answer: its not a game for you or its pure FF style you cant change it.
4-You dont have any indication how to play/control, Fanboi will answer: its not a game for you or noob.
Whenever Fanboi will come with a real answer, I will be glad to hear it and please no: they will fix it in a patch. That aint an answer.
But thinking about it ... MAY ITS NOT A GAME FOR US... shame on dev they screwed our franchise. Ill give a try when it becomes F2P.
I see what you did there! A subliminal message!