The worst part about DCUO is that, you're sitting there basing your opinion off of very little information, saying you won't play it because -- what, you don't know anything about it, it isn't in beta? I'm basing my opinion of people who played the game and gameplay videos. My opinion is just as valid, and doubly so as I'm actually interested in the title and looking to spend money on it.
I'm saying what is patently obvious. There's so little information out there and so many MMOs are awful (even with good reviews from people playing them for a very short time), that it isn't worth buying DCUO right out the door.
I'm a huge fan of DC. Superman is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. I was VERY interested in this title. One has to learn how to balance hope with realism though, and the realistic take is that there is a high risk of wasting money if you buy this MMO out the door. There's also no harm in waiting a month or so to see how things turn out.
I think if you want to be realistic thats fine, but you can be realistic with a scent of optimism instead of feeling like you have to tear down the game for others that are interested, especially when basing any opinions on what isn't being shown instead of what is.
I like what I see, I can only base my opinion on that. Until I try the game or see something I don't agree with, I see no reason to talk poorly about this game.
The worst part about DCUO is that, you're sitting there basing your opinion off of very little information, saying you won't play it because -- what, you don't know anything about it, it isn't in beta? I'm basing my opinion of people who played the game and gameplay videos. My opinion is just as valid, and doubly so as I'm actually interested in the title and looking to spend money on it.
I'm saying what is patently obvious. There's so little information out there and so many MMOs are awful (even with good reviews from people playing them for a very short time), that it isn't worth buying DCUO right out the door.
I'm a huge fan of DC. Superman is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. I was VERY interested in this title. One has to learn how to balance hope with realism though, and the realistic take is that there is a high risk of wasting money if you buy this MMO out the door. There's also no harm in waiting a month or so to see how things turn out.
I think if you want to be realistic thats fine, but you can be realistic with a scent of optimism instead of feeling like you have to tear down the game for others that are interested, especially when basing any opinions on what isn't being shown instead of what is.
I like what I see, I can only base my opinion on that. Until I try the game or see something I don't agree with, I see no reason to talk poorly about this game.
It offends me that companies put out crap for MMOs and then people waste money on it. It's way, way, way too common in the industry and the customer gets screwed. I'm not going to shut up about that and I don't care if it bothers you or not.
It is always amusing when the jaded SoE customers come out of the wood work, even more so that they would argue the well proven track record of SoE games. Is it flawless ... no, but the majority of the titles they have released are quality. They receive(d) quality support, patchs( new content), relatively less buggy than other AAA's, and generally fun to play.
There is a wealth of information already out there for DCUO. It seems pretty fairly cut and dry ... most reports on DCUO are in the positive, few complaints on features that are documented ( there are many ), ignore the doom and gloomers. Certainly ignore those claiming that the lack of information(?) somehow spells bad.
Masked Weasel i think you're the only person that's like me i've seen in the world, i dont see the point in playing a game for 1 complete year, week after week, maybe 1 month or 2 is the max i play and i only play based on my opinions on the game, not on opinions of fanbois or trolls. For example: i played Tabula Rasa and i loved that game, it has been the best game i've played in my whole life, many says it sucked or it wasnt worth or that it had a lot of bugs. But in my whole stay there, i didnt get across 1 single bug (and i did everything possible in the game), and community was really good, when i was a noob i asked a high lvl guy if he could help me with an instance, and he helped me a lot.
Point is: that i formulate my own opinions and not let others drive me away from a game i'm interested in.
Be happy guys and stop arguing over these things because it's obvious that you won't make another person change his mind.
It is always amusing when the jaded SoE customers come out of the wood work, even more so that they would argue the well proven track record of SoE games. Is it flawless ... no, but the majority of the titles they have released are quality. They receive(d) quality support, patchs( new content), relatively less buggy than other AAA's, and generally fun to play.
There is a wealth of information already out there for DCUO. It seems pretty fairly cut and dry ... most reports on DCUO are in the positive, few complaints on features that are documented ( there are many ), ignore the doom and gloomers. Certainly ignore those claiming that the lack of information(?) somehow spells bad.
If you compare it to a game like CO or STO, then you'd get something pretty similar. STO would have been entirely roses if they had no open beta. Plenty of other MMOs have been like that too.
The worst part about DCUO is that, you're sitting there basing your opinion off of very little information, saying you won't play it because -- what, you don't know anything about it, it isn't in beta? I'm basing my opinion of people who played the game and gameplay videos. My opinion is just as valid, and doubly so as I'm actually interested in the title and looking to spend money on it.
I'm saying what is patently obvious. There's so little information out there and so many MMOs are awful (even with good reviews from people playing them for a very short time), that it isn't worth buying DCUO right out the door.
I'm a huge fan of DC. Superman is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. I was VERY interested in this title. One has to learn how to balance hope with realism though, and the realistic take is that there is a high risk of wasting money if you buy this MMO out the door. There's also no harm in waiting a month or so to see how things turn out.
I think if you want to be realistic thats fine, but you can be realistic with a scent of optimism instead of feeling like you have to tear down the game for others that are interested, especially when basing any opinions on what isn't being shown instead of what is.
I like what I see, I can only base my opinion on that. Until I try the game or see something I don't agree with, I see no reason to talk poorly about this game.
It offends me that companies put out crap for MMOs and then people waste money on it. It's way, way, way too common in the industry and the customer gets screwed. I'm not going to shut up about that and I don't care if it bothers you or not.
You are not balancing hope with realism, you are shouting " The sky is falling". You claim you want/need more information to prove to you the game is not a flop .... yet you have allready made up your mind that it IS?
Thats pretty skewed logic ... shouldn't you remain impartial?
The worst part about DCUO is that, you're sitting there basing your opinion off of very little information, saying you won't play it because -- what, you don't know anything about it, it isn't in beta? I'm basing my opinion of people who played the game and gameplay videos. My opinion is just as valid, and doubly so as I'm actually interested in the title and looking to spend money on it.
I'm saying what is patently obvious. There's so little information out there and so many MMOs are awful (even with good reviews from people playing them for a very short time), that it isn't worth buying DCUO right out the door.
I'm a huge fan of DC. Superman is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. I was VERY interested in this title. One has to learn how to balance hope with realism though, and the realistic take is that there is a high risk of wasting money if you buy this MMO out the door. There's also no harm in waiting a month or so to see how things turn out.
I think if you want to be realistic thats fine, but you can be realistic with a scent of optimism instead of feeling like you have to tear down the game for others that are interested, especially when basing any opinions on what isn't being shown instead of what is.
I like what I see, I can only base my opinion on that. Until I try the game or see something I don't agree with, I see no reason to talk poorly about this game.
It offends me that companies put out crap for MMOs and then people waste money on it. It's way, way, way too common in the industry and the customer gets screwed. I'm not going to shut up about that and I don't care if it bothers you or not.
Not my fault you feel you got screwed, or other people got screwed. Its not my fault people don't know what they spend their money on. Your talking poorly about a game you've never played, and have little information on. Obviously it kills some people on these forums to show a little optimism towards the genre. Its really astounding these same people continue to follow these games just to complain.
Doesn't bother me one bit though, I'll still play whats fun to me, having the complainers in those games would be what really bothers me, so my only hope is that those that continue complaining do stay as far away from these games as possible.
It is always amusing when the jaded SoE customers come out of the wood work, even more so that they would argue the well proven track record of SoE games. Is it flawless ... no, but the majority of the titles they have released are quality. They receive(d) quality support, patchs( new content), relatively less buggy than other AAA's, and generally fun to play.
There is a wealth of information already out there for DCUO. It seems pretty fairly cut and dry ... most reports on DCUO are in the positive, few complaints on features that are documented ( there are many ), ignore the doom and gloomers. Certainly ignore those claiming that the lack of information(?) somehow spells bad.
If you compare it to a game like CO or STO, then you'd get something pretty similar. STO would have been entirely roses if they had no open beta. Plenty of other MMOs have been like that too.
What ?
You are assuming .... because clearly you haven't done any research in the subject. You know what happens when you assume , yes? Please detail all the SoE titles that have flopped right out of the gate... give me something other than unsubstantiated claims and perhaps I'll consider your opinion anything other than a Chicken Little. At this point you can't even state you are just "being safe" or "realistic" ... you are damning the very game you claim you don't have any information on.
Masked Weasel i think you're the only person that's like me i've seen in the world, i dont see the point in playing a game for 1 complete year, week after week, maybe 1 month or 2 is the max i play and i only play based on my opinions on the game, not on opinions of fanbois or trolls. For example: i played Tabula Rasa and i loved that game, it has been the best game i've played in my whole life, many says it sucked or it wasnt worth or that it had a lot of bugs. But in my whole stay there, i didnt get across 1 single bug (and i did everything possible in the game), and community was really good, when i was a noob i asked a high lvl guy if he could help me with an instance, and he helped me a lot.
Point is: that i formulate my own opinions and not let others drive me away from a game i'm interested in.
Be happy guys and stop arguing over these things because it's obvious that you won't make another person change his mind.
I also really enjoyed TR, it was a great game. I just like new games, and I don't see everything as a "clone". Each game has its own merits, and I think theres fun to be found everywhere. I'm glad that there are others out there like me, I'd hate to think everyone has become so jaded with games lately.
You are not balancing hope with realism, you are shouting " The sky is falling". You claim you want/need more information to prove to you the game is not a flop .... yet you have allready made up your mind that it IS?
Thats pretty skewed logic ... shouldn't you remain impartial?
That's not quite what I said. I'm saying it isn't unreasonable for it to be bad at launch. Most other MMOs and most other SOE MMOs are bad at launch. I'm certainly saying betting on it being really good is a bit silly. It's just how most MMOs in a similar situation HAVE gone.
Being objective doesn't mean you don't reach conclusions on things. Pretending every viewpoint is equally valid is silly.
You are assuming .... because clearly you haven't done any research in the subject. You know what happens when you assume , yes? Please detail all the SoE titles that have flopped right out of the gate... give me something other than unsubstantiated claims and perhaps I'll consider your opinion anything other than a Chicken Little. At this point you can't even state you are just "being safe" or "realistic" ... you are damning the very game you claim you don't have any information on.
Everquest was good for its time. EQ2...was meh. The Matrix online was a failure. SWG was bad (even before NGE, which is why it bled subs constantly). Planetside was never very good. They didn't make Vanguard, but it wasn't and isn't that good if you care. I don't think Free Realms is all that relevant, but if you want to count it as fairly successful, I guess you could (from my understanding).
Of course, I understand that things some of you consider "decent" are things almost everyone else considers a failure (like Warhammer). I'm not really offering my advice for people that find objectively subpar and problematic games like Warhammer worthwhile. My analysis is for those that find those games not worth the money.
You are assuming .... because clearly you haven't done any research in the subject. You know what happens when you assume , yes? Please detail all the SoE titles that have flopped right out of the gate... give me something other than unsubstantiated claims and perhaps I'll consider your opinion anything other than a Chicken Little. At this point you can't even state you are just "being safe" or "realistic" ... you are damning the very game you claim you don't have any information on.
The Matrix online was a failure. SWG was bad (even before NGE, which is why it bled subs constantly). Planetside was never very good.
I agree to you that when i played Matrix Online trial i felt like a mushroom or something, and wanted to eat pies (didn't like it). I think SWG is very good actually, it is my style of game, but i cant spend dollars on internet so i can't pay a sub (cant buy sub from a store too). And i liked planetside, not as much as SWG, so i only played 2 trial accounts.
You are assuming .... because clearly you haven't done any research in the subject. You know what happens when you assume , yes? Please detail all the SoE titles that have flopped right out of the gate... give me something other than unsubstantiated claims and perhaps I'll consider your opinion anything other than a Chicken Little. At this point you can't even state you are just "being safe" or "realistic" ... you are damning the very game you claim you don't have any information on.
The Matrix online was a failure. SWG was bad (even before NGE, which is why it bled subs constantly). Planetside was never very good.
I agree to you that when i played Matrix Online trial i felt like a mushroom or something, and wanted to eat pies (didn't like it). I think SWG is very good actually, it is my style of game, but i cant spend dollars on internet so i can't pay a sub (cant buy sub from a store too). And i liked planetside, not as much as SWG, so i only played 2 trial accounts.
To be fair, I am largely going with a market-based evaluation of good and bad here. Obviously even a bad game might have some die-hard fans, but if masses and masses of people buy it and don't like it (e.g. cancel their subs), then to most people it just isn't a very worthwhile game. To add to that a bit, obviously this evaluation is about the long-term value of playing such a game.
You are assuming .... because clearly you haven't done any research in the subject. You know what happens when you assume , yes? Please detail all the SoE titles that have flopped right out of the gate... give me something other than unsubstantiated claims and perhaps I'll consider your opinion anything other than a Chicken Little. At this point you can't even state you are just "being safe" or "realistic" ... you are damning the very game you claim you don't have any information on.
The Matrix online was a failure. SWG was bad (even before NGE, which is why it bled subs constantly). Planetside was never very good.
I agree to you that when i played Matrix Online trial i felt like a mushroom or something, and wanted to eat pies (didn't like it). I think SWG is very good actually, it is my style of game, but i cant spend dollars on internet so i can't pay a sub (cant buy sub from a store too). And i liked planetside, not as much as SWG, so i only played 2 trial accounts.
To be fair, I am largely going with a market-based evaluation of good and bad here. Obviously even a bad game might have some die-hard fans, but if masses and masses of people buy it and don't like it (e.g. cancel their subs), then to most people it just isn't a very worthwhile game. To add to that a bit, obviously this evaluation is about the long-term value of playing such a game.
Vanguard wasn't an SOE game, it was picked up after launch. SWG was still doing pretty decently until the NGE, aside from all the terrible bugs and balance issues. EQ was very popular, and EQ2 was also a very popular title for a very long time. PS... ehh.. that one had its problems, but many people still speak fondly of the game around here.
Needless to say POTBS wasn't a fun game to me, but I think it had a fair amount of polish on release. Free Realms being a free game was very polished too. EQ2 had a pretty damn decent launch and many people enjoyed that game. The only SOE game I've actually subscribed to for any period of time was SWG, and ..well, vanguard I came back to for 2 months (the game turned out pretty great after SOE took over).
Anyways, whether the game is fun or not, thats a different story. From the demos and previews, and videos. ... the game looks fun, and its said to be fun. Even if the fun is shallow in a sense. Maybe they'll have a 2 day Open Beta and I'll miss it and never get to try it. In that instance I'll wait to buy the game for a week or so until I get more information about the launch condition. Nowhere do I believe that this game will be an unplayable mess as we've seen with other recent launches.
Lets be honest with ourselves, SOE would be more apt to launch something mostly bug free with mediocre content then something immensely buggy with no forethought put into its mechanics. They are a major MMO player, and though smedley may have lost touch with reality years ago with SWG, I think they've still got their fingers on the pulse of MMOs and very much have the chance to pull this out.
SOE would be apt to launch something mostly bug free? I'm not sure that is their history to be honest.
POTBS was made by flying labs software. No credit to soe for the condition of the game.
The Matrix made by monolith and not the fault of soe. However their first few moves were to kill the live events program (a key feature to the game) and the typical combat revamp that has become a hallmark of soe games.
Vanguard was made by Sigil, so not the direct fault of soe. As soon as soe took over though, it was business as usualy. Poor choices started driving players away from the game.
EQ by the same measure wasn't an soe game and was picked up after launch by soe. Yes many people were the same, but soe was formed long after eq was released and successful. SOE had a vastly different corporate culture than verant did. Most consider the period when soe took over eq to be the start of the games downfall.
Planetside I'm no so familiar with the release of, but soe did a fine job of driving players away with poor choices in development.
EQ2 was so sloppy and unfinished soe had to over 1/3 of the servers within a year of the games release. Another game that was so ill tested it needed a major overhaul via combat revamp.
SWG took sloppy and unfinished to all new levels in an mmo. Do the problems of this game even need to be brought up again?
Free realms was actually in decent shape, but again lacked testing. It released lacking features, content and once again another game that received a combat revamp. Think about it, 12 million people have tried the game, but there is not 1 server that reaches full status.
None of this means that fun cannot be found in any of these games. Even the worst games have people who enjoy them. I'm sure there are plenty of people who enjoy APB even though it closed down in like 2 months.
I think this list shows that soe does have problems with testing games, releasing games and managing their projects.
DCU could be awesome, but seeing so little information about the game this close to release is not a good sign. Neither is hearing that there is no active beta testing of the game. This has been a weak spot of soe development through out their history. Either not listening to players or simply thinking they know what players want more than what players say they do.
The worst part about DCUO is that, you're sitting there basing your opinion off of very little information, saying you won't play it because -- what, you don't know anything about it, it isn't in beta? I'm basing my opinion of people who played the game and gameplay videos. My opinion is just as valid, and doubly so as I'm actually interested in the title and looking to spend money on it.
I'm saying what is patently obvious. There's so little information out there and so many MMOs are awful (even with good reviews from people playing them for a very short time), that it isn't worth buying DCUO right out the door.
I'm a huge fan of DC. Superman is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. I was VERY interested in this title. One has to learn how to balance hope with realism though, and the realistic take is that there is a high risk of wasting money if you buy this MMO out the door. There's also no harm in waiting a month or so to see how things turn out.
I think if you want to be realistic thats fine, but you can be realistic with a scent of optimism instead of feeling like you have to tear down the game for others that are interested, especially when basing any opinions on what isn't being shown instead of what is.
I like what I see, I can only base my opinion on that. Until I try the game or see something I don't agree with, I see no reason to talk poorly about this game.
It offends me that companies put out crap for MMOs and then people waste money on it. It's way, way, way too common in the industry and the customer gets screwed. I'm not going to shut up about that and I don't care if it bothers you or not.
Then I hope you don't shutup about movies, music, or any other form of media that is released. The stemming piles of garbage to come out at theatres is staggering, but hey..some people enjoy those that I find absurd. And of course I enjoy some piles that people couldn't imagine someone would watch or purchase willingly. Like one of the million Dolph Lundgren flicks that he releases, I've purchased quite a few of those piles that probably 99% of people that purchase movies wouldn't touch if it was free and they certainly wouldn't watch that trash.
Its all in the eyes of the each person. If I get 15 hrs worth of fun, even if its just learning the game, I don't call it a waste, I call it a cheap week.
I love DC and have preordered, But I'm starting to get a little nervous... where is all the details about the game.. besides the obvious it has physics based combat and its more action than traditional mmo... but wheres the info on power sets, dungeons/raiding, instances, open world, do we get our own lairs or what?? The game comes out in just over a month and nothing... Does anyone follow me here? or am i just going crazy?
sadly it could have been a great super hero game, one where you might have had super man like powers/invincibility and 1 glaring weakness, but otherwise would be a total asskicker.
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its being put out by SOE and theyve been making nothing but crap since wow and blizzard conquered them in 2005
Vanguard wasn't an SOE game, it was picked up after launch. SWG was still doing pretty decently until the NGE, aside from all the terrible bugs and balance issues. EQ was very popular, and EQ2 was also a very popular title for a very long time. PS... ehh.. that one had its problems, but many people still speak fondly of the game around here.
Needless to say POTBS wasn't a fun game to me, but I think it had a fair amount of polish on release. Free Realms being a free game was very polished too. EQ2 had a pretty damn decent launch and many people enjoyed that game. The only SOE game I've actually subscribed to for any period of time was SWG, and ..well, vanguard I came back to for 2 months (the game turned out pretty great after SOE took over).
Anyways, whether the game is fun or not, thats a different story. From the demos and previews, and videos. ... the game looks fun, and its said to be fun. Even if the fun is shallow in a sense. Maybe they'll have a 2 day Open Beta and I'll miss it and never get to try it. In that instance I'll wait to buy the game for a week or so until I get more information about the launch condition. Nowhere do I believe that this game will be an unplayable mess as we've seen with other recent launches.
Lets be honest with ourselves, SOE would be more apt to launch something mostly bug free with mediocre content then something immensely buggy with no forethought put into its mechanics. They are a major MMO player, and though smedley may have lost touch with reality years ago with SWG, I think they've still got their fingers on the pulse of MMOs and very much have the chance to pull this out.
SOE would be apt to launch something mostly bug free? I'm not sure that is their history to be honest.
POTBS was made by flying labs software. No credit to soe for the condition of the game.
The Matrix made by monolith and not the fault of soe. However their first few moves were to kill the live events program (a key feature to the game) and the typical combat revamp that has become a hallmark of soe games.
Vanguard was made by Sigil, so not the direct fault of soe. As soon as soe took over though, it was business as usualy. Poor choices started driving players away from the game.
EQ by the same measure wasn't an soe game and was picked up after launch by soe. Yes many people were the same, but soe was formed long after eq was released and successful. SOE had a vastly different corporate culture than verant did. Most consider the period when soe took over eq to be the start of the games downfall.
Planetside I'm no so familiar with the release of, but soe did a fine job of driving players away with poor choices in development.
EQ2 was so sloppy and unfinished soe had to over 1/3 of the servers within a year of the games release. Another game that was so ill tested it needed a major overhaul via combat revamp.
SWG took sloppy and unfinished to all new levels in an mmo. Do the problems of this game even need to be brought up again?
Free realms was actually in decent shape, but again lacked testing. It released lacking features, content and once again another game that received a combat revamp. Think about it, 12 million people have tried the game, but there is not 1 server that reaches full status.
None of this means that fun cannot be found in any of these games. Even the worst games have people who enjoy them. I'm sure there are plenty of people who enjoy APB even though it closed down in like 2 months.
I think this list shows that soe does have problems with testing games, releasing games and managing their projects.
DCU could be awesome, but seeing so little information about the game this close to release is not a good sign. Neither is hearing that there is no active beta testing of the game. This has been a weak spot of soe development through out their history. Either not listening to players or simply thinking they know what players want more than what players say they do.
SWG was plenty buggy, and did have its issues but it still had a tremendous following. Vanguard would not have survived at all if it weren't for SOE, it actually has gotten 10 times better then what it was while sigil was working on it. Free Realms isn't directed at the regular MMO player but it has received quite a bit of acclaim not to mention some pretty high scores in terms of MMO reviews.
SOE isn't a bad developer or publisher, they've had some bad games in their lineup, but no more then say, NCSOFT. Everyone has their reservations about certain companies, but thats not to say that these games can't or won't be good.
As stated earlier, I can only determine the games worth on the information I DO know, not on what I don't know. I'm not going to speculate over things I can't predict, but I can say I think the combat system, graphics, and premise behind the game appeals to me. I also like the ideas behind the character creation too. I'm not really a DC fan, I was always more partial to Marvel, but my hopes are high that this game will bring me at least as much enjoyment as CoX did.
As stated earlier, I can only determine the games worth on the information I DO know, not on what I don't know. I'm not going to speculate over things I can't predict, but I can say I think the combat system, graphics, and premise behind the game appeals to me. I also like the ideas behind the character creation too. I'm not really a DC fan, I was always more partial to Marvel, but my hopes are high that this game will bring me at least as much enjoyment as CoX did.
Of course, the information a company, whose motive is getting your money, chooses to NOT reveal is just as important as what it chooses to reveal.
Everything i read about dc universe online sounds cool. I dont have any history with soe so no bad feelings about the company one way or another. Free realms isnt my kinda game. dc universe online would be. Im a huge star wars fan and a huge fan of comic book super heroes both marvel and dc.
Im a regular watcher of the tv show smallville i watched lois and clark also. I love all the superman and batman movies. Maybe im just a sucka for superhero stuff. That said what ive seen so far seems pretty cool. ONe thing im sure u can count on is pvp. EVerything ive read about it seems to e an open world thing.
So pvp will probably be a big part of this game. But what little we know so far seems pretty cool. There seem to be alot of nice games coming out in the next year. From swtor to tera to rifts plans of telaar. To dc u online. I just hope the console/ pc duality doesnt lead to the console version be a much better game then the pc version.
I'd cancel your pre-order. MMOs like this are always awful. They haven't even done a beta yet, and betas really are needed to ensure quality. Sadly, it looks like this game is going to be a total dud.
Worst case, if it turns out to be good (an almost impossible occurance at this point) you can go buy it at a store right away.
It's in closed beta, everything you've said is just guesswork.
"Guesswork" based off everyone MMO that's been released since WoW.
Betting on DCUO being a good game is just a bad idea. You should play it safe. The fact you don't have an argument on why we should expect DCUO to be good is evidence of that. Bad MMOs don't need to be given anymore money.
Guesswork also based on an opinion, I don't think that is a true statement at all a few have released ok whether folks liked them or not has nothing to do with anything, if we'd use this site as an example it's clearly obvious a great number of mmo players don't even play wow.
As far as the details on this game I've been trying to keep up on the game too and I get the same sense as the op. I'm not saying the info isn't out there it just seems in many cases it's in places I'm not at often and in ways that includes the DCUO site. I think it has alot more to do with advertising techniques and such because there are games that I felt like I knew alot about pre release from what I had seen and in ways DCUO just doesn't give me the same feel.
I know about a few features and plan on playing it but I'm not sure about buying at release anymore I may wait a month or so to make sure nothing needs to be ironed out.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
As stated earlier, I can only determine the games worth on the information I DO know, not on what I don't know. I'm not going to speculate over things I can't predict, but I can say I think the combat system, graphics, and premise behind the game appeals to me. I also like the ideas behind the character creation too. I'm not really a DC fan, I was always more partial to Marvel, but my hopes are high that this game will bring me at least as much enjoyment as CoX did.
Of course, the information a company, whose motive is getting your money, chooses to NOT reveal is just as important as what it chooses to reveal.
So, then, you know what they haven't revealed and because of this you don't like the game?
Theres actually some decent information out there on the game. Nothing so cut and dry, but for interested parties, spending time in DCUO source for 20 minutes could yield enough information to make a somewhat informed decision. This is under the assumption they haven't seen any of the videos of gameplay .. which I seriously doubt many people in this thread have even bothered to do.
Also, basing your information on what isn't shown doesn't make sense. Wheres the line? What information is necessary before you decide this game is "up to your standards"? Or is it just one of those things where players feel they should get to try everything before they spend money on it...........
As stated earlier, I can only determine the games worth on the information I DO know, not on what I don't know. I'm not going to speculate over things I can't predict, but I can say I think the combat system, graphics, and premise behind the game appeals to me. I also like the ideas behind the character creation too. I'm not really a DC fan, I was always more partial to Marvel, but my hopes are high that this game will bring me at least as much enjoyment as CoX did.
Of course, the information a company, whose motive is getting your money, chooses to NOT reveal is just as important as what it chooses to reveal.
So, then, you know what they haven't revealed and because of this you don't like the game?
Theres actually some decent information out there on the game. Nothing so cut and dry, but for interested parties, spending time in DCUO source for 20 minutes could yield enough information to make a somewhat informed decision. This is under the assumption they haven't seen any of the videos of gameplay .. which I seriously doubt many people in this thread have even bothered to do.
Also, basing your information on what isn't shown doesn't make sense. Wheres the line? What information is necessary before you decide this game is "up to your standards"? Or is it just one of those things where players feel they should get to try everything before they spend money on it...........
Sorry, but you are being a bit naive here. The reality is that there is a stunning lack of information for a game that is supposed to be live in about 2 months. Drachasor is absolutely correct in his statement that what a company chooses not to reveal is important...I would encourage you to keep an equally healthy sense of skepticism in all aspects of your life.
Unfortunately, (and I'm not certain of your intent) your response seems rather defensive for a rather bland statement. Your response that you could gleen enough information to make a "somewhat informed decision" is decidedly apologetic. If information from your perspective (which you seem to be a fan of the game already and probably have read up on it a good deal) is that fuzzy, the implications are that the company is using that as a tactic...let people read between the lines to lead them to what they want to believe in lieu of providing concrete information to lead to a truly informed potential consumer.
I have not formed any opinion of DC Universe at this time. I don't mind super hero MMOs, and have played CoX for several years as well as CO for a few months. However, ignoring genre and any particular desire to play a particular game, everyone should agree that the lack of clear specifics with 2 months to launch should not generally be taken as a good sign (whether it will be a let-down, or that they may be substantial delays, or some other reason).
Originally posted by Drachasor I'd cancel your pre-order. MMOs like this are always awful. They haven't even done a beta yet, and betas really are needed to ensure quality. Sadly, it looks like this game is going to be a total dud. Worst case, if it turns out to be good (an almost impossible occurance at this point) you can go buy it at a store right away.
Hate to say it this guy may be right, Champions online is a good example of "looked good in vids but sucked when you actually play it" The fact they are being so hush hush about what it has makes me wonder, you think they';d be talking about it more, giving more info building hype to suck people into pre-ordering. There is a beta coming but.. its sometime in oct really close to release, and as far as I know its the first beta. I get the feeling if you buy the game on release your bascally going to be paying for beta-quality software.
MMO's need more testing time than pretty much any other game due to all the things that can go wrong. Yeah they can internal test, but 10-20 people playing the game is nothing compared to 1000+. I learned my lesson from Aion, I won't buy a mmo till I have played it at least once to see how it is. FF14 is an example, it ran bad on my system but I wasn't much of a fan of what I seen.
"An MMORPG could be completely diffirent from WoW. Just look at games like Dofus, Wizard101 or EVE. But as it is, most of the Western MMOs are trying to succeed by out-WoWing WoW. It's like an army of 10 sports games made about same sports, and barely none about other sports. WoW clone is an accurate description of those games, it manages to convey much information with only two words." -Poster on mmorpg.com
Rift: World of Warcraft clone #9321 Nothing special to see here move along.
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I think if you want to be realistic thats fine, but you can be realistic with a scent of optimism instead of feeling like you have to tear down the game for others that are interested, especially when basing any opinions on what isn't being shown instead of what is.
I like what I see, I can only base my opinion on that. Until I try the game or see something I don't agree with, I see no reason to talk poorly about this game.
It offends me that companies put out crap for MMOs and then people waste money on it. It's way, way, way too common in the industry and the customer gets screwed. I'm not going to shut up about that and I don't care if it bothers you or not.
It is always amusing when the jaded SoE customers come out of the wood work, even more so that they would argue the well proven track record of SoE games. Is it flawless ... no, but the majority of the titles they have released are quality. They receive(d) quality support, patchs( new content), relatively less buggy than other AAA's, and generally fun to play.
There is a wealth of information already out there for DCUO. It seems pretty fairly cut and dry ... most reports on DCUO are in the positive, few complaints on features that are documented ( there are many ), ignore the doom and gloomers. Certainly ignore those claiming that the lack of information(?) somehow spells bad.
Masked Weasel i think you're the only person that's like me i've seen in the world, i dont see the point in playing a game for 1 complete year, week after week, maybe 1 month or 2 is the max i play and i only play based on my opinions on the game, not on opinions of fanbois or trolls. For example: i played Tabula Rasa and i loved that game, it has been the best game i've played in my whole life, many says it sucked or it wasnt worth or that it had a lot of bugs. But in my whole stay there, i didnt get across 1 single bug (and i did everything possible in the game), and community was really good, when i was a noob i asked a high lvl guy if he could help me with an instance, and he helped me a lot.
Point is: that i formulate my own opinions and not let others drive me away from a game i'm interested in.
Be happy guys and stop arguing over these things because it's obvious that you won't make another person change his mind.
DuckRoll
If you compare it to a game like CO or STO, then you'd get something pretty similar. STO would have been entirely roses if they had no open beta. Plenty of other MMOs have been like that too.
You are not balancing hope with realism, you are shouting " The sky is falling". You claim you want/need more information to prove to you the game is not a flop .... yet you have allready made up your mind that it IS?
Thats pretty skewed logic ... shouldn't you remain impartial?
Not my fault you feel you got screwed, or other people got screwed. Its not my fault people don't know what they spend their money on. Your talking poorly about a game you've never played, and have little information on. Obviously it kills some people on these forums to show a little optimism towards the genre. Its really astounding these same people continue to follow these games just to complain.
Doesn't bother me one bit though, I'll still play whats fun to me, having the complainers in those games would be what really bothers me, so my only hope is that those that continue complaining do stay as far away from these games as possible.
What ?
You are assuming .... because clearly you haven't done any research in the subject. You know what happens when you assume , yes? Please detail all the SoE titles that have flopped right out of the gate... give me something other than unsubstantiated claims and perhaps I'll consider your opinion anything other than a Chicken Little. At this point you can't even state you are just "being safe" or "realistic" ... you are damning the very game you claim you don't have any information on.
I also really enjoyed TR, it was a great game. I just like new games, and I don't see everything as a "clone". Each game has its own merits, and I think theres fun to be found everywhere. I'm glad that there are others out there like me, I'd hate to think everyone has become so jaded with games lately.
That's not quite what I said. I'm saying it isn't unreasonable for it to be bad at launch. Most other MMOs and most other SOE MMOs are bad at launch. I'm certainly saying betting on it being really good is a bit silly. It's just how most MMOs in a similar situation HAVE gone.
Being objective doesn't mean you don't reach conclusions on things. Pretending every viewpoint is equally valid is silly.
Well, by Wikipedia we have:
EverQuest, EverQuest II, The Matrix Online, PlanetSide, Star Wars Galaxies, Free Realms, and Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
for the SOE titles.
Everquest was good for its time. EQ2...was meh. The Matrix online was a failure. SWG was bad (even before NGE, which is why it bled subs constantly). Planetside was never very good. They didn't make Vanguard, but it wasn't and isn't that good if you care. I don't think Free Realms is all that relevant, but if you want to count it as fairly successful, I guess you could (from my understanding).
Of course, I understand that things some of you consider "decent" are things almost everyone else considers a failure (like Warhammer). I'm not really offering my advice for people that find objectively subpar and problematic games like Warhammer worthwhile. My analysis is for those that find those games not worth the money.
I agree to you that when i played Matrix Online trial i felt like a mushroom or something, and wanted to eat pies (didn't like it). I think SWG is very good actually, it is my style of game, but i cant spend dollars on internet so i can't pay a sub (cant buy sub from a store too). And i liked planetside, not as much as SWG, so i only played 2 trial accounts.
DuckRoll
To be fair, I am largely going with a market-based evaluation of good and bad here. Obviously even a bad game might have some die-hard fans, but if masses and masses of people buy it and don't like it (e.g. cancel their subs), then to most people it just isn't a very worthwhile game. To add to that a bit, obviously this evaluation is about the long-term value of playing such a game.
Youre right
DuckRoll
Two Worlds 2
SOE would be apt to launch something mostly bug free? I'm not sure that is their history to be honest.
POTBS was made by flying labs software. No credit to soe for the condition of the game.
The Matrix made by monolith and not the fault of soe. However their first few moves were to kill the live events program (a key feature to the game) and the typical combat revamp that has become a hallmark of soe games.
Vanguard was made by Sigil, so not the direct fault of soe. As soon as soe took over though, it was business as usualy. Poor choices started driving players away from the game.
EQ by the same measure wasn't an soe game and was picked up after launch by soe. Yes many people were the same, but soe was formed long after eq was released and successful. SOE had a vastly different corporate culture than verant did. Most consider the period when soe took over eq to be the start of the games downfall.
Planetside I'm no so familiar with the release of, but soe did a fine job of driving players away with poor choices in development.
EQ2 was so sloppy and unfinished soe had to over 1/3 of the servers within a year of the games release. Another game that was so ill tested it needed a major overhaul via combat revamp.
SWG took sloppy and unfinished to all new levels in an mmo. Do the problems of this game even need to be brought up again?
Free realms was actually in decent shape, but again lacked testing. It released lacking features, content and once again another game that received a combat revamp. Think about it, 12 million people have tried the game, but there is not 1 server that reaches full status.
None of this means that fun cannot be found in any of these games. Even the worst games have people who enjoy them. I'm sure there are plenty of people who enjoy APB even though it closed down in like 2 months.
I think this list shows that soe does have problems with testing games, releasing games and managing their projects.
DCU could be awesome, but seeing so little information about the game this close to release is not a good sign. Neither is hearing that there is no active beta testing of the game. This has been a weak spot of soe development through out their history. Either not listening to players or simply thinking they know what players want more than what players say they do.
Then I hope you don't shutup about movies, music, or any other form of media that is released. The stemming piles of garbage to come out at theatres is staggering, but hey..some people enjoy those that I find absurd. And of course I enjoy some piles that people couldn't imagine someone would watch or purchase willingly. Like one of the million Dolph Lundgren flicks that he releases, I've purchased quite a few of those piles that probably 99% of people that purchase movies wouldn't touch if it was free and they certainly wouldn't watch that trash.
Its all in the eyes of the each person. If I get 15 hrs worth of fun, even if its just learning the game, I don't call it a waste, I call it a cheap week.
sadly it could have been a great super hero game, one where you might have had super man like powers/invincibility and 1 glaring weakness, but otherwise would be a total asskicker.
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its being put out by SOE and theyve been making nothing but crap since wow and blizzard conquered them in 2005
SWG was plenty buggy, and did have its issues but it still had a tremendous following. Vanguard would not have survived at all if it weren't for SOE, it actually has gotten 10 times better then what it was while sigil was working on it. Free Realms isn't directed at the regular MMO player but it has received quite a bit of acclaim not to mention some pretty high scores in terms of MMO reviews.
SOE isn't a bad developer or publisher, they've had some bad games in their lineup, but no more then say, NCSOFT. Everyone has their reservations about certain companies, but thats not to say that these games can't or won't be good.
As stated earlier, I can only determine the games worth on the information I DO know, not on what I don't know. I'm not going to speculate over things I can't predict, but I can say I think the combat system, graphics, and premise behind the game appeals to me. I also like the ideas behind the character creation too. I'm not really a DC fan, I was always more partial to Marvel, but my hopes are high that this game will bring me at least as much enjoyment as CoX did.
Of course, the information a company, whose motive is getting your money, chooses to NOT reveal is just as important as what it chooses to reveal.
Everything i read about dc universe online sounds cool. I dont have any history with soe so no bad feelings about the company one way or another. Free realms isnt my kinda game. dc universe online would be. Im a huge star wars fan and a huge fan of comic book super heroes both marvel and dc.
Im a regular watcher of the tv show smallville i watched lois and clark also. I love all the superman and batman movies. Maybe im just a sucka for superhero stuff. That said what ive seen so far seems pretty cool. ONe thing im sure u can count on is pvp. EVerything ive read about it seems to e an open world thing.
So pvp will probably be a big part of this game. But what little we know so far seems pretty cool. There seem to be alot of nice games coming out in the next year. From swtor to tera to rifts plans of telaar. To dc u online. I just hope the console/ pc duality doesnt lead to the console version be a much better game then the pc version.
Guesswork also based on an opinion, I don't think that is a true statement at all a few have released ok whether folks liked them or not has nothing to do with anything, if we'd use this site as an example it's clearly obvious a great number of mmo players don't even play wow.
As far as the details on this game I've been trying to keep up on the game too and I get the same sense as the op. I'm not saying the info isn't out there it just seems in many cases it's in places I'm not at often and in ways that includes the DCUO site. I think it has alot more to do with advertising techniques and such because there are games that I felt like I knew alot about pre release from what I had seen and in ways DCUO just doesn't give me the same feel.
I know about a few features and plan on playing it but I'm not sure about buying at release anymore I may wait a month or so to make sure nothing needs to be ironed out.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
So, then, you know what they haven't revealed and because of this you don't like the game?
Theres actually some decent information out there on the game. Nothing so cut and dry, but for interested parties, spending time in DCUO source for 20 minutes could yield enough information to make a somewhat informed decision. This is under the assumption they haven't seen any of the videos of gameplay .. which I seriously doubt many people in this thread have even bothered to do.
Also, basing your information on what isn't shown doesn't make sense. Wheres the line? What information is necessary before you decide this game is "up to your standards"? Or is it just one of those things where players feel they should get to try everything before they spend money on it...........
Sorry, but you are being a bit naive here. The reality is that there is a stunning lack of information for a game that is supposed to be live in about 2 months. Drachasor is absolutely correct in his statement that what a company chooses not to reveal is important...I would encourage you to keep an equally healthy sense of skepticism in all aspects of your life.
Unfortunately, (and I'm not certain of your intent) your response seems rather defensive for a rather bland statement. Your response that you could gleen enough information to make a "somewhat informed decision" is decidedly apologetic. If information from your perspective (which you seem to be a fan of the game already and probably have read up on it a good deal) is that fuzzy, the implications are that the company is using that as a tactic...let people read between the lines to lead them to what they want to believe in lieu of providing concrete information to lead to a truly informed potential consumer.
I have not formed any opinion of DC Universe at this time. I don't mind super hero MMOs, and have played CoX for several years as well as CO for a few months. However, ignoring genre and any particular desire to play a particular game, everyone should agree that the lack of clear specifics with 2 months to launch should not generally be taken as a good sign (whether it will be a let-down, or that they may be substantial delays, or some other reason).
Hate to say it this guy may be right, Champions online is a good example of "looked good in vids but sucked when you actually play it" The fact they are being so hush hush about what it has makes me wonder, you think they';d be talking about it more, giving more info building hype to suck people into pre-ordering. There is a beta coming but.. its sometime in oct really close to release, and as far as I know its the first beta. I get the feeling if you buy the game on release your bascally going to be paying for beta-quality software.
MMO's need more testing time than pretty much any other game due to all the things that can go wrong. Yeah they can internal test, but 10-20 people playing the game is nothing compared to 1000+. I learned my lesson from Aion, I won't buy a mmo till I have played it at least once to see how it is. FF14 is an example, it ran bad on my system but I wasn't much of a fan of what I seen.
"An MMORPG could be completely diffirent from WoW. Just look at games like Dofus, Wizard101 or EVE. But as it is, most of the Western MMOs are trying to succeed by out-WoWing WoW. It's like an army of 10 sports games made about same sports, and barely none about other sports. WoW clone is an accurate description of those games, it manages to convey much information with only two words."
-Poster on mmorpg.com
Rift: World of Warcraft clone #9321 Nothing special to see here move along.