I'm first generation Chinese, and I can say with some authority that Thachsanh is full of shit.
EDIT: I will elaborate for this person who believes he can make such authoritative statements about whether there is reasonable evidence to suggest the typos are mistranslated Chinese.
It is simple. In Chinese Mandarin, there are very, very, very few, if any, words with the pronunciation of 'ho'. There are quite a few words that are pronounced "bo' or "po', so a frequent replacement of 'bo' or 'po' where there should be 'ho' is... self explanatory.
Perhaps this Thachsanh should first make sure he knows what he's talking about before so angrily refuting others without any footing.
Where were you born? Were you born and raised in mainland China? Do you know how many percent of the young Chinese could not read traditional Chinse characters? I guess I don't have to tell you how many stories where young Chinese could not even read stone carvings at historical sites, temples, pagodas... right?
Also, look at the typo mistakes, this is not a mistranslated Chinese. What are you talking about? You understand these "ho", "bo" and "po" are pronuciation of a part of a word right? How the hell can you mistranslated only a part of a word? I gotta laugh at this. It's like I am trying to translate the word "translation" into Chinese and I mistranslate the "sla" part.
This is clearly a typo mistake. As in when someone type that word, he made a mistake so a part of the word got type in wrong. This is very possible that's the way you type using a Japanese keyboard. You type parts of the word and combine them together. Also, "ho", "bo" and "po" are very similar looking, if they use some soft of OCR or automatically text entering, it could very easily made that mistake.
Anyway, these are all typos mistakes in beta. Are there any of these mistake in the release version of the game? If not, why would anyone care?
I think you misunderstand how Chinese and Japanese languages work; neither are they a phonetic language(in the strictest since) like English, but each character represents either a whole word or a whole phrase or even a place(The languages primarily use pictograms and/ or ideograms). That being said there will always be errors when you are translating from one language to the next. This does not mean in any way RACISM is at play. Unfortunately in our overly relativistic post-modern society any thing that seems odd only plays on our media fed insecurities and is labeled some kind of "...ism".
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I watched somebody playing it over live stream. Game looks good visually, but play mechanics and interface are terrible. Quests looked monotonous. Killing rats and tiny flying whatsits are so Meridean59. It's like they said, let's take away any sort of excitement and put everyone to sleep(from the early levels at least). What's with the cut scenes for every lame little thing too? Game isn't for me, hope other's enjoy it though. I saw enough to say that for me it wasn't worth the money and time sync to find out if it gets any better. Even the guy playing it was having a hard time selling it's merits to his audience.
I tried beta for less than an hour, and uninstalled it.
Just back now to see if I'll be trying this when Cataclysm comes out, or actually buy Cataclysm until TERA or GW2.
Looks like nothing's changed, they still want people to either "adapt or get out" which doesn't exactly work for consumers (usually, it's businesses that adapt or die lol).
lawl. People keep saying im only getting sources from this site. Ive read other sites as well as friend / player feed back from people who have played. a bunch of ppl who have played say they uninstall it or dont see it "going anyhere". I have yet to see anything about how good it is. Although people often complain more than anti complain. I still haven't heard anyhting good.
My room mate showed me a video someone made of how they copied and pasted a lot of landscape from XI. that didin't help its cause....imo
I don't know what you read, but here's a hint: people tend to come to forums to whine, often. The game is actually doing quite well, despite their grumblings.
By and large, the complaints I have heard about the game have less to do with being western and a lot more to do with being rather poor gamers, the type to be easily intimidated by something such as a different-playing GUI, slightly slow response time, or actually having to play the game at below max settings because it's engineered to scale for the computers of tommorrow (or, in cases, where they shelled out major dosh for a computer of tommorrow apparently unaware that we're stuck using the drivers of today).
You know, the kind of half-men who have played so many casual-dumbed-down World of Warcraft clones that they have forgotten how to maintain their computers, use a simple menu-driven interface, deal with travel time, or play a game with actual difficulty, if they ever knew this to begin with? Final Fantasy XIV really hurts their feelings by expecting them to do these things, you see. So they start up threads pretending the game is doing badly, that their own inadeaquacies are the game's fault for not compensating for them, essentially trolling the majority who enjoy the game. Because then, in their mind, once everybody else hates the game they can feel good about themselves again.
Yeah, those are the kinds of people you'll run into forums relentlessly ranking on a game that has been as well-received as Final Fantasy XIV. Real sad sacks. You shouldn't have anything to worry about.
The game is doing quite well? According to what sources?
So you think that everything with FFXIV is ok and anyone that complains is a poor gamer? Oh my freaking god. You have got to be the biggest, most skewed fanboy apologist i have ever seen. This game breaks every cardinal rule in PC game interface design. Game interfaces are designed a certain way on the PC because they work. Many years of game design has shown what works and what doesn't. EVERYTHING about this game is designed for a console and we have seen that console UI's do NOT work on PC. Look at the countless crappy console to pc ports for evidence of that. You can argue about whether this game itself is any good, but there is almost zero room for argument that the interface itself is bad in regards to usability and design for the PC. I mean you flat out say exactly why it's bad and then blame the gamer for not putting up with a completely alien interface that not only is badly designed but SLOW. These two things are exactly what makes it bad, NOT the players.
By your logic, if Square enix made a square wheel you'd blame the poor drivers for complaining about a bumpy ride because they couldn't handle something different.
You also say the game is engineered for computers of tomorrow. That's a crock. There's tons of games that look better than this and run better as well. The funny part is, the developers of Everquest 2 said the same thing. it was designed for the computer of tomorrow to scale. Well guess what? EQ2 runs like crap for how it looks in todays graphic standards. Why? Because it was designed badly and runs mostly on the CPU and is incredibly unoptimized. That's not good game design, that's nothing but excuses and trying to pawn off the inability to make a console game run right on a PC by hoping tomorrows hardware is fast enough to run the game right.
And then you go on further to lay veiled insults saying that people that play wow are half men? WTF? how does playing a video game warrant an insult like that? Maybe if it was hello kitty or something. I don't play wow, i don't like it, it's tired and dull, but i don't disparage those that do just to defend some other game. Grow up. Final fantasy is somehow deeper or harder than wow? How? Nothing i saw about it was difficult other than trying to actually use the half ass backwards interface. If you like artificial difficulty like that then try playing blindfolded. Everything else about FFXIV is just as simplistic as wow, and in fact i'd easily say it's more simplistic. You only have one type of quest other than the story quest, which is semi nonsensical likely due to translation. You have tons of people standing around a crystal vending machine and killing mobs that spawn just for them. And you don't find that to be the utmost of simplicity?
It doesn't get much more simplistic than standing around a vending machine running the same old kill x number of Y mob over and over and over again in the copy and paste repetitive world. Sorry but final fantasy xiv is the most simplistic basic game i have seen in a LONG time lacking quite a few of the industry standard features that one would expect in a mmo nowdays.
As the poster above is insinuating, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was made in China. It feels rushed, half-assed, and lacks the usual polish and details that Square made a company out of. Mind you many things seemed to have changed since they merged. Not trying to discredit China either, but $ and time of completion speaks.
Please do not discredit my people. If you live in the US, then we make almost everything you use, including all your "American" branded things.
As the poster above is insinuating, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was made in China. It feels rushed, half-assed, and lacks the usual polish and details that Square made a company out of. Mind you many things seemed to have changed since they merged. Not trying to discredit China either, but $ and time of completion speaks.
Please do not discredit my people. If you live in the US, then we make almost everything you use, including all your "American" branded things.
Wow..... owned.
Is that before or after you taint it with lead? =P Sorry, I couldn't resist. Plus, YOU DO NOT MAKE MY COLLAPSIBLE OUTDOOR ROOF, IT SAYS ITS MADE IN AMERICA ON THE COMMERCIAL SO I CAN BE ASSURED HIGH QUALITY!
As the poster above is insinuating, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was made in China. It feels rushed, half-assed, and lacks the usual polish and details that Square made a company out of. Mind you many things seemed to have changed since they merged. Not trying to discredit China either, but $ and time of completion speaks.
Please do not discredit my people. If you live in the US, then we make almost everything you use, including all your "American" branded things.
Wow..... owned.
Is that before or after you taint it with lead? =P Sorry, I couldn't resist. Plus, YOU DO NOT MAKE MY COLLAPSIBLE OUTDOOR ROOF, IT SAYS ITS MADE IN AMERICA ON THE COMMERCIAL SO I CAN BE ASSURED HIGH QUALITY!
*Shakes head* you are so right, it is so hard to find good quality these days though, most things seems to be out-sourced.
Ok I don't wanna keep derailing the thread so........ YEAH FFXIV.......or boooo..... I'm neutral at the moment, I don't really like the game but will wait for ps3 release in a years time :-)
As the poster above is insinuating, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was made in China. It feels rushed, half-assed, and lacks the usual polish and details that Square made a company out of. Mind you many things seemed to have changed since they merged. Not trying to discredit China either, but $ and time of completion speaks.
Please do not discredit my people. If you live in the US, then we make almost everything you use, including all your "American" branded things.
Wow..... owned.
What was 'owned'? I did not mean to insult. The rebuttle had nothing to do with what I said, and is completely irrelevant. Actually I take that back..it does. I don't live in the U.S. either, but yes China does have many manufacturing plants for products released in N.A., S.A., and Europe. Why? because it is made quick and for cheap. Thus many products released have crappy quality assurance and upper management skimps on proper materials to save a dime, resulting in shotty products. As someone who was previously in many import/export deals with Chinese manufacturers, it's fair to say I know what I am talking about. Anyways...none of this should be insulting. Greed exists in all cultures. China just happens to be the hub of cheap labor and easy funding right now. Thus why I suggested this Japanese company possibly hired a smaller, Chinese firm to deal with a lot of the game development. Understand now?
I really enoyed beta. After playing release since the 22nd, I can honestly say Im' falling in love with the game.
I can't wait to get home afterwork and put in a nice 4-5 hour session.
This game is just like FFXI. 85% of the people who post on this site HATED HATED HATED FFXI, and couldn't understand how anyone could even enjoy it.
FFXIV is no different. A lot of people absolutely love this game. No it's not a majority, but its enough people to make this game be around for year and years and years to come.
PS - Because of no global chat, focus on being part of linkshell, and working with others to get any crafting done,,....yes, this games community is slowly but surely becomming just like FFXI.
Just be honest with yourself.... if you didn't enjoy beta... you won't enjoy release.... Nothing wrong with that, a lot of great games are on the horizon. Not all games are designed for all people. For someone like me who's been waiting for another game to call home again, FFXIV delivers.
Like if I meant to say, "He is sick." and said "He is dick." some people my say oh I don't like him deep down inside, or wow she must be a fob can't spell lolwut. fact of the matter is I embarrassed myself and I mistakenly clicked the d which is right next to the s on accident and didn't look at my post carefully before I clicked okay.
It's a typo if you do it once. However, it sounds like the same error was made repeatedly, which would tend to occur as a result of either sloppiness, incompetence or both. You don't need to have a PhD in asian linguistics to know that. Hell, you don't even need to be a gamer.
Like if I meant to say, "He is sick." and said "He is dick." some people my say oh I don't like him deep down inside, or wow she must be a fob can't spell lolwut. fact of the matter is I embarrassed myself and I mistakenly clicked the d which is right next to the s on accident and didn't look at my post carefully before I clicked okay.
It's a typo if you do it once. However, it sounds like the same error was made repeatedly, which would tend to occur as a result of either sloppiness, incompetence or both. You don't need to have a PhD in asian linguistics to know that. Hell, you don't even need to be a gamer.
Well, if a sentense is repeated in multiple location, you don't think it could be copied and pasted resulting in multiple errors of the same word?
Then again, these typos are spotted in BETA. Are they exsited in the released version? if not why would anyone care? Hell, if somebody are to make a list of typos in World of Warcraft beta, one page would probably not enough. But again, those mistakes do not existed in the release version then what's the problem?
Since when typos in a freaking BETA means bad QA? Isn't beta exist for that particular reason? find the mistakes, typos to fix them? Duh!!!
Like if I meant to say, "He is sick." and said "He is dick." some people my say oh I don't like him deep down inside, or wow she must be a fob can't spell lolwut. fact of the matter is I embarrassed myself and I mistakenly clicked the d which is right next to the s on accident and didn't look at my post carefully before I clicked okay.
It's a typo if you do it once. However, it sounds like the same error was made repeatedly, which would tend to occur as a result of either sloppiness, incompetence or both. You don't need to have a PhD in asian linguistics to know that. Hell, you don't even need to be a gamer.
Well, if a sentense is repeated in multiple location, you don't think it could be copied and pasted resulting in multiple errors of the same word?
Then again, these typos are spotted in BETA. Are they exsited in the released version? if not why would anyone care? Hell, if somebody are to make a list of typos in World of Warcraft beta, one page would probably not enough. But again, those mistakes do not existed in the release version then what's the problem?
Since when typos in a freaking BETA means bad QA? Isn't beta exist for that particular reason? find the mistakes, typos to fix them? Duh!!!
I thought the game was out of beta. The poster that brought this up said these errors occurred after the patch. If they were only in the beta, then you're absolutely right; this is one of the things that beta is supposed to be catching. If not, it means exactly "bad QA".
Still, it's a minor detail, even during full release, and would hardly affect gameplay. However, it denotes a certain amount of carelessness that doesn't do much by way of instilling confidence in one's level of professionalism. QA could easily overlook a single instance of an error. Multiple ones though, even if just as a result of cut/paste? My first conclusion would be that it was never reviewed at all. But maybe this was only a beta issue after all. It's certainly possible.
Not to bring up the whole silly language argument again but I eblieve "p" and "b" sounds are allophones in Chinese. Thus the "spelling' error seems somewhat plausible.. oh well..
So all you smart people are not going to use your iPhones, iPads, iPods, laptops, TV's etc because they are made in China? Just to follow the logic, those must suck and deserve being flamed and hated. WTH does Chinese spelling have to do with the game? I am amazed at the idiocy expressed in these forums. A few bits of wisdom do crop up, like those posters who said that people who like the game are playing, and haters and those who have nothing to do but hate the world and hate themselves like to hate this game, too.
So this game is an MMORPG. What alternatives do you have? WoW, LOTRO, EVE, etc. all hated even more. Learn to love, open your minds. I guess, if you want to play games, you have to be, or behave like, kids. Thirty+ year-olds bashing games because they are "not fun", require some adaptation and learning skills should look in the mirror and find something more mature to do. Time to grow up and quit or shut up and play.
Dude, you really sound like a broken record now. You are talking about something you have no idea about. I have seen those words and let me tell you that this generation of Chinese could not even read that kind of characters anymore let alone writting something in it.
Make no mistake, Japanese kanji characters are borrowed from Chinese characters but they are used in a completely different way. A chinese person could not even read and understand a sentense written in kanji.
So, stop spreading something that you have no clue about.
A. You are saying that chinese can't write/translate into jap properly? That was my point. ; )
B. How do you know what an entire country can understand? (especially considering how many there are!!!) WoW!! That's an amazing superpower!
C. Here is a screenshot of said example for your viewing pleasure. One of many mistakes which curiously resemble common mistakes made when people in china try to translate into jap.
“Physical Bonus” is misspelt “Physical Ponus”
“Telepo” is misspelt “Telebo”
“Support Desk” is misspelt “Subbort Desk”
In all cases the errors are caused by confusing the dots and circles which turn syllables like “ho” (?) into “bo” (?) and “po” (?). Most Japanese seem to consider it “absolutely impossible” for a native speaker to have made such an incredibly basic error, let alone so many times.
Such bizarre and blatant errors seem to indicate not only a lack of proof-reading but also a curious lack of familiarity with the Japanese language.
YOur fully aware that japan made its own version for china only? since they cannot connect outside of china, its made special for them. translation between languages and using the same characters can be rough
for those of you who are in the headstart, what you experiencing about UI, bugs/etc is the same from CBT3/OBT (except for mouse lag, more zone added) in this final retail version. standard edition players waiting for 30th Sept and those skeptical potiential new players, i would strongly suggest you wait for another month or more for updates/feedback from others before decide to play FF14 or not. Else you may find yourself landed in a situaition just like VSoH/AoC/Aion/Warhammer days.....period
You know, the kind of half-men who have played so many casual-dumbed-down World of Warcraft clones that they have forgotten how to maintain their computers, use a simple menu-driven interface, deal with travel time, or play a game with actual difficulty, if they ever knew this to begin with? Final Fantasy XIV really hurts their feelings by expecting them to do these things, you see. So they start up threads pretending the game is doing badly, that their own inadeaquacies are the game's fault for not compensating for them, essentially trolling the majority who enjoy the game. Because then, in their mind, once everybody else hates the game they can feel good about themselves again.
Yeah, those are the kinds of people you'll run into forums relentlessly ranking on a game that has been as well-received as Final Fantasy XIV. Real sad sacks. You shouldn't have anything to worry about.
The game is doing quite well? According to what sources?
So you think that everything with FFXIV is ok and anyone that complains is a poor gamer? Oh my freaking god. You have got to be the biggest, most skewed fanboy apologist i have ever seen. This game breaks every cardinal rule in PC game interface design. Game interfaces are designed a certain way on the PC because they work. Many years of game design has shown what works and what doesn't. EVERYTHING about this game is designed for a console and we have seen that console UI's do NOT work on PC. Look at the countless crappy console to pc ports for evidence of that. You can argue about whether this game itself is any good, but there is almost zero room for argument that the interface itself is bad in regards to usability and design for the PC. I mean you flat out say exactly why it's bad and then blame the gamer for not putting up with a completely alien interface that not only is badly designed but SLOW. These two things are exactly what makes it bad, NOT the players.
By your logic, if Square enix made a square wheel you'd blame the poor drivers for complaining about a bumpy ride because they couldn't handle something different.
You also say the game is engineered for computers of tomorrow. That's a crock. There's tons of games that look better than this and run better as well. The funny part is, the developers of Everquest 2 said the same thing. it was designed for the computer of tomorrow to scale. Well guess what? EQ2 runs like crap for how it looks in todays graphic standards. Why? Because it was designed badly and runs mostly on the CPU and is incredibly unoptimized. That's not good game design, that's nothing but excuses and trying to pawn off the inability to make a console game run right on a PC by hoping tomorrows hardware is fast enough to run the game right.
And then you go on further to lay veiled insults saying that people that play wow are half men? WTF? how does playing a video game warrant an insult like that? Maybe if it was hello kitty or something. I don't play wow, i don't like it, it's tired and dull, but i don't disparage those that do just to defend some other game. Grow up. Final fantasy is somehow deeper or harder than wow? How? Nothing i saw about it was difficult other than trying to actually use the half ass backwards interface. If you like artificial difficulty like that then try playing blindfolded. Everything else about FFXIV is just as simplistic as wow, and in fact i'd easily say it's more simplistic. You only have one type of quest other than the story quest, which is semi nonsensical likely due to translation. You have tons of people standing around a crystal vending machine and killing mobs that spawn just for them. And you don't find that to be the utmost of simplicity?
It doesn't get much more simplistic than standing around a vending machine running the same old kill x number of Y mob over and over and over again in the copy and paste repetitive world. Sorry but final fantasy xiv is the most simplistic basic game i have seen in a LONG time lacking quite a few of the industry standard features that one would expect in a mmo nowdays.
for those of you who are in the headstart, what you experiencing about UI, bugs/etc is the same from CBT3/OBT (except for mouse lag, more zone added) in this final retail version. standard edition players waiting for 30th Sept and those skeptical potiential new players, i would strongly suggest you wait for another month or more for updates/feedback from others before decide to play FF14 or not. Else you may find yourself landed in a situaition just like VSoH/AoC/Aion/Warhammer days.....period
You almost make it sound like Aion was just another MMO riddled with countless bugs.
Aion released more polished/bugfree than WoW. It can even be argued as one of the most completed MMORPG's to launch, as far as polish goes.
Hi, I'd like to give my opinions + status in Japan etc.
I bought the Japanese collectors edition and I have been greatly looking forward to this game as a FFXI player. In my gaming background I've played other MMOs like Ragnarok Online, WoW and Vanguard.
I speak Japanese and English so I see both sides of the reaction to FFXIV. Here is the current game in my opinion:
1) Graphics
Most Japanese reviewers agree that Graphics is the only shining point of FFXIV at the moment. But again the graphics level of 14 is nothing new, it can be seen in most games coming out recently. The character models are extremely good looking as any FF series and appeals to the Japanese audience quite well. (Like the micotte (or whatever the cat model is called) ).
Although the graphics are very great, the environment is not. Much of the world is tiled ( copy paste of chunks of geography ). Most games seem to do this but it is not so entirely obvious as FF14. The maps are huge but they are just the same thing repeated over and over. This really seems to take away the gaming experience as the world seems too artificial.
2) Gameplay
Incomplete in one word. The game is a paid version of the open beta. If any of you know how disastrous Vanguard was at launch, FFXIV is even worse. The game is nowhere near complete and there are more bugs than you can probably imagine. The game developers seem to have put their efforts in things other than the most important areas of the game. For example:
1- There is a tiredness kind of feature. You play more than certain number of hours for one class continuously (8 hours i think) and then gradually your experience decreases because you get tired. I read on an interview that this feature was put in to give incentive to people to change classes and try something new.
2- There is no autoattack. It is a FF13 style combat and you have to keep inputting skills to fire. But with current server instability there is a lot of lag in regions of high population so this is not smooth at all.
3- There are something called guildleves. They are sort of like quests in WoW, just a lot downgraded. For combat guildleves, you are told to go and kill monsters etc and it provides you with more exp than just normally killing mobs. At the moment, you can only do 16 of these guidlleves every 2 days. So outside of guildleves it is a mob grind or crafting grind.
3) User Interface
Incomplete. The UI is one of the worst I've seen. Such simple things you can do in most recent MMO's are not possible in FFXIV. Examples:
There is no search feature.
There is no auction house type feature.
When you want to equip or unequip, it takes maybe 5 button clicks.
When you die you have to go to main menu and click return.
The UI is really designed in a terrible manner. It is so difficult to do things that you would expect to be so easy in any other game.
4) Community
There is almost no life in the game. The cities are filled with people that do not even talk to each other. Unless you join a linkshell (term for guild in ffi14) or play with real friends, you will feel that the game is completely void of communication. There is no necessity to group to do anything at the moment, although it might be slightly more fun to do so.
Edit: Want to add some things I heard from the Japanese side.
Some Japanese feel quite out of place when they login as almost everyone around them speaks English. Also the ingame voices are English too so that further adds to a feeling of unfamiliarity.
Also, some reviewing Japanese complain or refer to the game being made in China and complain about it. I find this quite depressing, it shows the ignorance of Japanese people to foreign culture. Despite being a first world country, Japan is really isolated from the rest of the world due to its language barrier. A lot of people in Japan can only speak Japanese and English is probably the foreign language with most effort put into in schools but most people cannot speak English at a conversational level. Japanese culture is entirely different from any Western culture and probably a lot different from other Asian cultures. Because of such differences I think many Japanese are quite racist because they just don't understand foreign cultures and have difficulty even trying to understand how different they are. (Btw I am half Japanese so I am not pulling this out of nowhere). It should not matter where it was made or what nationality the people that made the game are. Anybody can make quality games and criticism for a game should not become race bashing.
5) Conclusion
I do not think the way the Japanese took the game from English speakers is much different. FF14 is in one word incomplete. The servers are still unstable and everything about the game except the graphics is filled with problems. With the official release coming up in a couple of days, I find it extremely hard to see this game reaching a satisfactory level for many players. I still believe there is hope as most of the problems could be patched, but there are really way too many problems right now that I find it unlikely that the game will be quality anytime soon. Unless the developers are preparing a huge patch for the release, you would regret buying this game. I am hoping that by the time the PS3 version comes out (if it ever does due to the probably disastrous release of the PC version), the game would be good. It really depresses me as FFXI was one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I ever had, and the sequel FF14 is probably heading towards complete failure unless major changes are implemented real soon.
Yeah... I can see the merit of waiting for the ps3 version. At least I wont have to spend money on upgrading my pc to play it on high graphics quality. If the game will look like FFXIII but be MMO form (I think that's what they're aiming for) then I'll be quite happy to try it then.
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Nothing like a slow day at work. I am telling you. lol
I think you misunderstand how Chinese and Japanese languages work; neither are they a phonetic language(in the strictest since) like English, but each character represents either a whole word or a whole phrase or even a place(The languages primarily use pictograms and/ or ideograms). That being said there will always be errors when you are translating from one language to the next. This does not mean in any way RACISM is at play. Unfortunately in our overly relativistic post-modern society any thing that seems odd only plays on our media fed insecurities and is labeled some kind of "...ism".
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I watched somebody playing it over live stream. Game looks good visually, but play mechanics and interface are terrible. Quests looked monotonous. Killing rats and tiny flying whatsits are so Meridean59. It's like they said, let's take away any sort of excitement and put everyone to sleep(from the early levels at least). What's with the cut scenes for every lame little thing too? Game isn't for me, hope other's enjoy it though. I saw enough to say that for me it wasn't worth the money and time sync to find out if it gets any better. Even the guy playing it was having a hard time selling it's merits to his audience.
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I tried beta for less than an hour, and uninstalled it.
Just back now to see if I'll be trying this when Cataclysm comes out, or actually buy Cataclysm until TERA or GW2.
Looks like nothing's changed, they still want people to either "adapt or get out" which doesn't exactly work for consumers (usually, it's businesses that adapt or die lol).
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I think FFXIV made SE spike a bit, but we'll see whether or not they keep going up....or go bankrupt! Maybe Front Mission won't suck.
lawl. People keep saying im only getting sources from this site. Ive read other sites as well as friend / player feed back from people who have played. a bunch of ppl who have played say they uninstall it or dont see it "going anyhere". I have yet to see anything about how good it is. Although people often complain more than anti complain. I still haven't heard anyhting good.
My room mate showed me a video someone made of how they copied and pasted a lot of landscape from XI. that didin't help its cause....imo
The game is doing quite well? According to what sources?
So you think that everything with FFXIV is ok and anyone that complains is a poor gamer? Oh my freaking god. You have got to be the biggest, most skewed fanboy apologist i have ever seen. This game breaks every cardinal rule in PC game interface design. Game interfaces are designed a certain way on the PC because they work. Many years of game design has shown what works and what doesn't. EVERYTHING about this game is designed for a console and we have seen that console UI's do NOT work on PC. Look at the countless crappy console to pc ports for evidence of that. You can argue about whether this game itself is any good, but there is almost zero room for argument that the interface itself is bad in regards to usability and design for the PC. I mean you flat out say exactly why it's bad and then blame the gamer for not putting up with a completely alien interface that not only is badly designed but SLOW. These two things are exactly what makes it bad, NOT the players.
By your logic, if Square enix made a square wheel you'd blame the poor drivers for complaining about a bumpy ride because they couldn't handle something different.
You also say the game is engineered for computers of tomorrow. That's a crock. There's tons of games that look better than this and run better as well. The funny part is, the developers of Everquest 2 said the same thing. it was designed for the computer of tomorrow to scale. Well guess what? EQ2 runs like crap for how it looks in todays graphic standards. Why? Because it was designed badly and runs mostly on the CPU and is incredibly unoptimized. That's not good game design, that's nothing but excuses and trying to pawn off the inability to make a console game run right on a PC by hoping tomorrows hardware is fast enough to run the game right.
And then you go on further to lay veiled insults saying that people that play wow are half men? WTF? how does playing a video game warrant an insult like that? Maybe if it was hello kitty or something. I don't play wow, i don't like it, it's tired and dull, but i don't disparage those that do just to defend some other game. Grow up. Final fantasy is somehow deeper or harder than wow? How? Nothing i saw about it was difficult other than trying to actually use the half ass backwards interface. If you like artificial difficulty like that then try playing blindfolded. Everything else about FFXIV is just as simplistic as wow, and in fact i'd easily say it's more simplistic. You only have one type of quest other than the story quest, which is semi nonsensical likely due to translation. You have tons of people standing around a crystal vending machine and killing mobs that spawn just for them. And you don't find that to be the utmost of simplicity?
It doesn't get much more simplistic than standing around a vending machine running the same old kill x number of Y mob over and over and over again in the copy and paste repetitive world. Sorry but final fantasy xiv is the most simplistic basic game i have seen in a LONG time lacking quite a few of the industry standard features that one would expect in a mmo nowdays.
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You are my hero venderghast
Wow..... owned.
Is that before or after you taint it with lead? =P Sorry, I couldn't resist. Plus, YOU DO NOT MAKE MY COLLAPSIBLE OUTDOOR ROOF, IT SAYS ITS MADE IN AMERICA ON THE COMMERCIAL SO I CAN BE ASSURED HIGH QUALITY!
God I want to play it so bad .Then I can create my own opinion. Just can't afford it...
*Shakes head* you are so right, it is so hard to find good quality these days though, most things seems to be out-sourced.
Ok I don't wanna keep derailing the thread so........ YEAH FFXIV.......or boooo..... I'm neutral at the moment, I don't really like the game but will wait for ps3 release in a years time :-)
What was 'owned'? I did not mean to insult. The rebuttle had nothing to do with what I said, and is completely irrelevant. Actually I take that back..it does. I don't live in the U.S. either, but yes China does have many manufacturing plants for products released in N.A., S.A., and Europe. Why? because it is made quick and for cheap. Thus many products released have crappy quality assurance and upper management skimps on proper materials to save a dime, resulting in shotty products. As someone who was previously in many import/export deals with Chinese manufacturers, it's fair to say I know what I am talking about. Anyways...none of this should be insulting. Greed exists in all cultures. China just happens to be the hub of cheap labor and easy funding right now. Thus why I suggested this Japanese company possibly hired a smaller, Chinese firm to deal with a lot of the game development. Understand now?
I really enoyed beta. After playing release since the 22nd, I can honestly say Im' falling in love with the game.
I can't wait to get home afterwork and put in a nice 4-5 hour session.
This game is just like FFXI. 85% of the people who post on this site HATED HATED HATED FFXI, and couldn't understand how anyone could even enjoy it.
FFXIV is no different. A lot of people absolutely love this game. No it's not a majority, but its enough people to make this game be around for year and years and years to come.
PS - Because of no global chat, focus on being part of linkshell, and working with others to get any crafting done,,....yes, this games community is slowly but surely becomming just like FFXI.
Just be honest with yourself.... if you didn't enjoy beta... you won't enjoy release.... Nothing wrong with that, a lot of great games are on the horizon. Not all games are designed for all people. For someone like me who's been waiting for another game to call home again, FFXIV delivers.
It's a typo if you do it once. However, it sounds like the same error was made repeatedly, which would tend to occur as a result of either sloppiness, incompetence or both. You don't need to have a PhD in asian linguistics to know that. Hell, you don't even need to be a gamer.
Well, if a sentense is repeated in multiple location, you don't think it could be copied and pasted resulting in multiple errors of the same word?
Then again, these typos are spotted in BETA. Are they exsited in the released version? if not why would anyone care? Hell, if somebody are to make a list of typos in World of Warcraft beta, one page would probably not enough. But again, those mistakes do not existed in the release version then what's the problem?
Since when typos in a freaking BETA means bad QA? Isn't beta exist for that particular reason? find the mistakes, typos to fix them? Duh!!!
I thought the game was out of beta. The poster that brought this up said these errors occurred after the patch. If they were only in the beta, then you're absolutely right; this is one of the things that beta is supposed to be catching. If not, it means exactly "bad QA".
Still, it's a minor detail, even during full release, and would hardly affect gameplay. However, it denotes a certain amount of carelessness that doesn't do much by way of instilling confidence in one's level of professionalism. QA could easily overlook a single instance of an error. Multiple ones though, even if just as a result of cut/paste? My first conclusion would be that it was never reviewed at all. But maybe this was only a beta issue after all. It's certainly possible.
*edited to fix typo* (/irony)
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Not to bring up the whole silly language argument again but I eblieve "p" and "b" sounds are allophones in Chinese. Thus the "spelling' error seems somewhat plausible.. oh well..
So all you smart people are not going to use your iPhones, iPads, iPods, laptops, TV's etc because they are made in China? Just to follow the logic, those must suck and deserve being flamed and hated. WTH does Chinese spelling have to do with the game? I am amazed at the idiocy expressed in these forums. A few bits of wisdom do crop up, like those posters who said that people who like the game are playing, and haters and those who have nothing to do but hate the world and hate themselves like to hate this game, too.
So this game is an MMORPG. What alternatives do you have? WoW, LOTRO, EVE, etc. all hated even more. Learn to love, open your minds. I guess, if you want to play games, you have to be, or behave like, kids. Thirty+ year-olds bashing games because they are "not fun", require some adaptation and learning skills should look in the mirror and find something more mature to do. Time to grow up and quit or shut up and play.
YOur fully aware that japan made its own version for china only? since they cannot connect outside of china, its made special for them. translation between languages and using the same characters can be rough
for those of you who are in the headstart, what you experiencing about UI, bugs/etc is the same from CBT3/OBT (except for mouse lag, more zone added) in this final retail version. standard edition players waiting for 30th Sept and those skeptical potiential new players, i would strongly suggest you wait for another month or more for updates/feedback from others before decide to play FF14 or not. Else you may find yourself landed in a situaition just like VSoH/AoC/Aion/Warhammer days.....period
Vanderghast
You're spot on. Love your post.
You almost make it sound like Aion was just another MMO riddled with countless bugs.
Aion released more polished/bugfree than WoW. It can even be argued as one of the most completed MMORPG's to launch, as far as polish goes.
Hi, I'd like to give my opinions + status in Japan etc.
I bought the Japanese collectors edition and I have been greatly looking forward to this game as a FFXI player. In my gaming background I've played other MMOs like Ragnarok Online, WoW and Vanguard.
I speak Japanese and English so I see both sides of the reaction to FFXIV. Here is the current game in my opinion:
1) Graphics
Most Japanese reviewers agree that Graphics is the only shining point of FFXIV at the moment. But again the graphics level of 14 is nothing new, it can be seen in most games coming out recently. The character models are extremely good looking as any FF series and appeals to the Japanese audience quite well. (Like the micotte (or whatever the cat model is called) ).
Although the graphics are very great, the environment is not. Much of the world is tiled ( copy paste of chunks of geography ). Most games seem to do this but it is not so entirely obvious as FF14. The maps are huge but they are just the same thing repeated over and over. This really seems to take away the gaming experience as the world seems too artificial.
2) Gameplay
Incomplete in one word. The game is a paid version of the open beta. If any of you know how disastrous Vanguard was at launch, FFXIV is even worse. The game is nowhere near complete and there are more bugs than you can probably imagine. The game developers seem to have put their efforts in things other than the most important areas of the game. For example:
1- There is a tiredness kind of feature. You play more than certain number of hours for one class continuously (8 hours i think) and then gradually your experience decreases because you get tired. I read on an interview that this feature was put in to give incentive to people to change classes and try something new.
2- There is no autoattack. It is a FF13 style combat and you have to keep inputting skills to fire. But with current server instability there is a lot of lag in regions of high population so this is not smooth at all.
3- There are something called guildleves. They are sort of like quests in WoW, just a lot downgraded. For combat guildleves, you are told to go and kill monsters etc and it provides you with more exp than just normally killing mobs. At the moment, you can only do 16 of these guidlleves every 2 days. So outside of guildleves it is a mob grind or crafting grind.
3) User Interface
Incomplete. The UI is one of the worst I've seen. Such simple things you can do in most recent MMO's are not possible in FFXIV. Examples:
There is no search feature.
There is no auction house type feature.
When you want to equip or unequip, it takes maybe 5 button clicks.
When you die you have to go to main menu and click return.
The UI is really designed in a terrible manner. It is so difficult to do things that you would expect to be so easy in any other game.
4) Community
There is almost no life in the game. The cities are filled with people that do not even talk to each other. Unless you join a linkshell (term for guild in ffi14) or play with real friends, you will feel that the game is completely void of communication. There is no necessity to group to do anything at the moment, although it might be slightly more fun to do so.
Edit: Want to add some things I heard from the Japanese side.
Some Japanese feel quite out of place when they login as almost everyone around them speaks English. Also the ingame voices are English too so that further adds to a feeling of unfamiliarity.
Also, some reviewing Japanese complain or refer to the game being made in China and complain about it. I find this quite depressing, it shows the ignorance of Japanese people to foreign culture. Despite being a first world country, Japan is really isolated from the rest of the world due to its language barrier. A lot of people in Japan can only speak Japanese and English is probably the foreign language with most effort put into in schools but most people cannot speak English at a conversational level. Japanese culture is entirely different from any Western culture and probably a lot different from other Asian cultures. Because of such differences I think many Japanese are quite racist because they just don't understand foreign cultures and have difficulty even trying to understand how different they are. (Btw I am half Japanese so I am not pulling this out of nowhere). It should not matter where it was made or what nationality the people that made the game are. Anybody can make quality games and criticism for a game should not become race bashing.
5) Conclusion
I do not think the way the Japanese took the game from English speakers is much different. FF14 is in one word incomplete. The servers are still unstable and everything about the game except the graphics is filled with problems. With the official release coming up in a couple of days, I find it extremely hard to see this game reaching a satisfactory level for many players. I still believe there is hope as most of the problems could be patched, but there are really way too many problems right now that I find it unlikely that the game will be quality anytime soon. Unless the developers are preparing a huge patch for the release, you would regret buying this game. I am hoping that by the time the PS3 version comes out (if it ever does due to the probably disastrous release of the PC version), the game would be good. It really depresses me as FFXI was one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I ever had, and the sequel FF14 is probably heading towards complete failure unless major changes are implemented real soon.
Yeah... I can see the merit of waiting for the ps3 version. At least I wont have to spend money on upgrading my pc to play it on high graphics quality. If the game will look like FFXIII but be MMO form (I think that's what they're aiming for) then I'll be quite happy to try it then.