I havent played the game and probably will never. I know exactly what is going to happen. All the FF fanboi's are going to play for another month untill their sub comes up and they are going to realize that no matter how good the graphics look or how much they love FF, if there is way to many bugs or outdated UI they will not resub. For people who arent huge FF fans, but wanted something different they will realize they made a poor mistake and move onto the next game. Vanguard which had issues on release ran into this. Exploration was a main factor and crafting was involved. What happened was people didnt resub and then the population went to the crapper. Funny thing is that VG's UI, graphics, sound, classes, crafting was actually damn good. With that said im not even interested in getting the game. I tried the last FF mmo and couldent handle it. So no im no FF fan, but I wouldent say that im not interested in what the game has to offer, just with all these issues its not worth my time and money when there are so many other mmo's out there that are doing it right.
Yeah, we've heard it all before. It all comes down to this: the game is harder than you're used to and also it is operating under atypical conditions right now.
Discovering which NPCs sell the things you want? Part of the exploration task the game gives you.
OMG.. LOL! I almost cried laughing. That's exactly what a fanboi would say.. good one, sir.
I can't see what people are complaining about myself, you have the leves and the story arc. Rest is up to you pretty much...I am guessing open world PvE is scary for some compared to the linearity and safety of WoW.
Except there is nothing "OPEN" about the pve in FFXIV. Boring, tedious and lacking a much needed UI and chat overhall maybe, but open... no. This game is crap and I wish I could find someone to buy my CE. Everyone I have grouped with so far is frustrated as well.
I think if you were looking for quest npcs that took you from a to b to c to d...etc then this isn't ever going to be your type of game.
I think if you were looking for quest npcs that took you from a to b to c to d...etc then this isn't ever going to be your type of game.
I don't know why people are saying this. This game pretty much does take you from A to B to C for much of the time. It is hand holding in that respect. Unless you're playing a different game to me. In mine I got quests from the adventurers guild, got told where to go, when I got there got told what to do, even got given a guild leve had I not already collected some... I'm sorry - how isn't this A to B to C. Then the leves themselves appear on the map as an orange flashing area and the mobs highlight showing which ones need to be killed. I am confused by people thinking this game doesn't do this sort of stuff when it does. Lots. To be honest everything its just like one big maze inone direction with limited pathing.
I havent played the game and probably will never. I know exactly what is going to happen. All the FF fanboi's are going to play for another month untill their sub comes up and they are going to realize that no matter how good the graphics look or how much they love FF, if there is way to many bugs or outdated UI they will not resub. For people who arent huge FF fans, but wanted something different they will realize they made a poor mistake and move onto the next game. Vanguard which had issues on release ran into this. Exploration was a main factor and crafting was involved. What happened was people didnt resub and then the population went to the crapper. Funny thing is that VG's UI, graphics, sound, classes, crafting was actually damn good. With that said im not even interested in getting the game. I tried the last FF mmo and couldent handle it. So no im no FF fan, but I wouldent say that im not interested in what the game has to offer, just with all these issues its not worth my time and money when there are so many other mmo's out there that are doing it right.
First: There really are not very many bugs (in fact since I started playing last night I have yet to encounter a bug).
Secondly: The UI is just different it really does not take that long to figure it out (when I switched to the Hardware cursor I no longer had any lag either).
Thirdly: The main launch does not happen till the Thirtieth, but so far as I can tell pre-launch has been really smooth(yes there can be lag, but I am playing on a three year old laptop with only two gigs of ram and have all my settings on standard).
Fourthly: Read the damn Quest information; this game does tell you where is X and how to do it, but you have to read.
Fifthly: This only issue this game has is being different; some people can't handle anything that takes them out of their comfort zone. It is fine if the game is not your cup of tea, but to bash people who do like it is just imbecilic.
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Yeah, we've heard it all before. It all comes down to this: the game is harder than you're used to and also it is operating under atypical conditions right now.
Discovering which NPCs sell the things you want? Part of the exploration task the game gives you.
OMG.. LOL! I almost cried laughing. That's exactly what a fanboi would say.. good one, sir.
I can't see what people are complaining about myself, you have the leves and the story arc. Rest is up to you pretty much...I am guessing open world PvE is scary for some compared to the linearity and safety of WoW.
Except there is nothing "OPEN" about the pve in FFXIV. Boring, tedious and lacking a much needed UI and chat overhall maybe, but open... no. This game is crap and I wish I could find someone to buy my CE. Everyone I have grouped with so far is frustrated as well.
I think if you were looking for quest npcs that took you from a to b to c to d...etc then this isn't ever going to be your type of game.
Instead, you have two options.
Go from A to B. Then go back to A and go to C. Do this 8 times.
While I have to say that FFXIV ended up not being fully my cup of tea (simply because it felt too restrictive in my ability to progress as fast as I would like, and yes I fully understand the xp restrictive system and that you're supposed to level other aspects of your character and combine them later).
I think that ultimately the "exploration" system as you call it could use a little overhaul, WoW is far far far too much on safety rails (for an obvious reason they don't care how young or old their user base is, easier = more players more income). However FFXIV takes it a little too much to the extreme due to the pacing of the game being designed to be painfully slow in some sort of attempt to get you to stop and look at all the content you normally miss.
On the one hand that's great! I absolutely agree that people miss out on some of the intricacies put into the game world by the dev team, be it art or even enjoyable little programmed sequences. However these types of things have kind of a "once you've seen it - your good and don't need to have your attention demanded by it over and over" type of feel. I get that the city is nice and there are loads of NPC's all with very detailed dialogue set up for me to gain hints about later events or even possible directions I could take my character in a later date. (Very cool!) This is... up until the point in which I realise that with very very little direction at all from some of the leve's (not even a generalized location like northern part of the city, or southern, etc...) that I'm suddenly having to run for minutes upon minutes of time simply to look for an NPC.
Some of which are neatly hidden away on ledges, behind doors, or even stuck way out on some remote part of the docks of a city that require you to follow a series of paths that are far from direct to get out to them. Add the fact that this is the case for over half of a fairly large city that has multiple levels to it and suddenly you have a seemingly small job that gives small rewards befitting a small and simple job (as the job is quite simple once you actually find the person). That becomes a huge time sink and a large investment of your game time gets sucked away just looking to get started on one of the several leves you can do.
So ultimately WoW, War, and games such as those literally feed you a little dot on the map that says OMG QUEST HERE! which is so easy it's almost painful because you don't want to play due to disinterest. However FFXIV takes it far, too far into the other end of the extreme leaving you not wanting to bother due to the boredom that insues from searching forever.
Essentially both have a similar problem from polar opposite positions on questing.
I havent played the game and probably will never. I know exactly what is going to happen. All the FF fanboi's are going to play for another month untill their sub comes up and they are going to realize that no matter how good the graphics look or how much they love FF, if there is way to many bugs or outdated UI they will not resub. For people who arent huge FF fans, but wanted something different they will realize they made a poor mistake and move onto the next game. Vanguard which had issues on release ran into this. Exploration was a main factor and crafting was involved. What happened was people didnt resub and then the population went to the crapper. Funny thing is that VG's UI, graphics, sound, classes, crafting was actually damn good. With that said im not even interested in getting the game. I tried the last FF mmo and couldent handle it. So no im no FF fan, but I wouldent say that im not interested in what the game has to offer, just with all these issues its not worth my time and money when there are so many other mmo's out there that are doing it right.
Fifthly: This only issue this game has is being different; some people can't handle anything that takes them out of their comfort zone. It is fine if the game is not your cup of tea, but to bash people who do like it is just imbecilic.
A game that has major UI issues and un natural ui is not different. I play Atlantica and to me that is "different", but you know what, even Atlantica with it being so different makes sense. Has nothing to do with comfort zone.
I think you could compare it to right hand drive cars in North america. The little ricer fanboi's will love it and say "ya man its different so im cooler then you", but in reality right hand driver cars dont work on our roads. Sure you could drive it and over time you will most likely get used to it, but it wont work for obvious reasons.
-sigh- then play wow. i'm not going to try to sound eliteist or a douchebag, but if you like that system better....STICK TO IT! i mean let's be honest, SE didn't put a gun in anyones mouth and force you to buy it. the fact of the matter is everyone who likes wow systems....probably can't stand the damn game anymore because of the overnerfing, community, or whatever reason. so here you are, without a new mmo wanting to be apart of "the next big thing" that way you can say to newbies when they start up the game "i've played for -insert ammount of time here-" for the no-prize of having a bigger e-peen or whatever. the only problem is you get a new game that frankly i'll be honest in saying, some of you DID NOT take the time to learn or hear anything about it in the first place, probably never played XI...in fact it sounds like some of you might have had yourFF I.Q. stop at like X, then assume this'd be simmilar if not exactly the same. you spent a rediculous ammount of money to PLAY A WEEK BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE (because frankly that's ALL the CE gives you besides the helmet and code key....and let's face it....80 bucks on anything that doesn't ask you if you want a happy ending now a days is rediculous.) in the hopes of again saying "na-na i was on a week before you" but OMG it's not what you imagined, and you say "-insert complaint here-" and proceed to piss up a rope because basically you've already entered in all the authorization codes....set up an account that you attached to your credit card, spent however long loading it onto the "beast machine computer" you claim to have, and after all the effort...surprise surprise the heavens did not open up for you. calling it lipstick on a pig or saying wow's UI's and system for whatever is better proves that. the real problem is that if you WERE playing that...what stops you from playing now? that's my question. i was a wow player, i will tell you in detail if you wish why i left. but the fact of the matter is i'm not playing this expecting someting simmilar to that game...or XI....or AoC.....or anyother mmo on earth you know why? because it's an entirely different game than all those....if i wanted to play wow....i'd reinstall wow....which is what most of you want to do...but for some reason wown't so instead of just going "live and learn" you proceed to bitch and moan to people who LIKE the game and then we defend it...albeit some of us are not nice in doing it at times....but when it's done "well your a fanboi".......well thank you sir, you are correct...i am a fan...i like the game....i like SE products....why in my psp right now i have "kingdom hearts:birth to sleep" in my nintendo DS i have a direct port of the first front mission game, in my x-box 360 i have FF XIII, and in my ps2 i have my anthology version of chrono trigger...damn they REALLY sucked me in....making games i like that not everyone else might like....good lord the bloodsucking bastards. in conclusion...if you like WoW, AoC, whatever game....cool.....i'm not a fan of AoC but that's just me....i'm not gonna fault you for me not liking it. i wown't play WoW again until they clean up the community because frankly it's just rediculous now. and i am on LOR f2p because it's fun.....not because the controlls are great.....or the damn game give me a hummer in my chair...because i like talking with the people on brandywine's server and i get to do quests where i'm given instructions from gandalf and elrond. i've gone on long enough so in closing, if you like it wonderful! i hope to see you on my server. if not, i'm sorry it wasn't your cup of tea, but please for the love of GOD....stop spoiling my fun because you're bored.
-sigh- then play wow. i'm not going to try to sound eliteist or a douchebag, but if you like that system better....STICK TO IT! i mean let's be honest, SE didn't put a gun in anyones mouth and force you to buy it. the fact of the matter is everyone who likes wow systems....probably can't stand the damn game anymore because of the overnerfing, community, or whatever reason. so here you are, without a new mmo wanting to be apart of "the next big thing" that way you can say to newbies when they start up the game "i've played for -insert ammount of time here-" for the no-prize of having a bigger e-peen or whatever. the only problem is you get a new game that frankly i'll be honest in saying, some of you DID NOT take the time to learn or hear anything about it in the first place, probably never played XI...in fact it sounds like some of you might have had yourFF I.Q. stop at like X, then assume this'd be simmilar if not exactly the same. you spent a rediculous ammount of money to PLAY A WEEK BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE (because frankly that's ALL the CE gives you besides the helmet and code key....and let's face it....80 bucks on anything that doesn't ask you if you want a happy ending now a days is rediculous.) in the hopes of again saying "na-na i was on a week before you" but OMG it's not what you imagined, and you say "-insert complaint here-" and proceed to piss up a rope because basically you've already entered in all the authorization codes....set up an account that you attached to your credit card, spent however long loading it onto the "beast machine computer" you claim to have, and after all the effort...surprise surprise the heavens did not open up for you. calling it lipstick on a pig or saying wow's UI's and system for whatever is better proves that. the real problem is that if you WERE playing that...what stops you from playing now? that's my question. i was a wow player, i will tell you in detail if you wish why i left. but the fact of the matter is i'm not playing this expecting someting simmilar to that game...or XI....or AoC.....or anyother mmo on earth you know why? because it's an entirely different game than all those....if i wanted to play wow....i'd reinstall wow....which is what most of you want to do...but for some reason wown't so instead of just going "live and learn" you proceed to bitch and moan to people who LIKE the game and then we defend it...albeit some of us are not nice in doing it at times....but when it's done "well your a fanboi".......well thank you sir, you are correct...i am a fan...i like the game....i like SE products....why in my psp right now i have "kingdom hearts:birth to sleep" in my nintendo DS i have a direct port of the first front mission game, in my x-box 360 i have FF XIII, and in my ps2 i have my anthology version of chrono trigger...damn they REALLY sucked me in....making games i like that not everyone else might like....good lord the bloodsucking bastards. in conclusion...if you like WoW, AoC, whatever game....cool.....i'm not a fan of AoC but that's just me....i'm not gonna fault you for me not liking it. i wown't play WoW again until they clean up the community because frankly it's just rediculous now. and i am on LOR f2p because it's fun.....not because the controlls are great.....or the damn game give me a hummer in my chair...because i like talking with the people on brandywine's server and i get to do quests where i'm given instructions from gandalf and elrond. i've gone on long enough so in closing, if you like it wonderful! i hope to see you on my server. if not, i'm sorry it wasn't your cup of tea, but please for the love of GOD....stop spoiling my fun because you're bored.
What a sad wall of text. The OP did not sound like a WOW fanboi and really the issues have nothing to do with wow and its community. You obviously have no idea what your talking about because your basing all mmo's on WOW. There was a lot of mmo's before WOW . One of the main issues with the game is the UI. Seems like fanboi's want to make excuses for the lack of development that went into the UI to say "well its different". Different is good, but from what I have been reading is that the UI in FF is not different in a good way.
Yeah, we've heard it all before. It all comes down to this: the game is harder than you're used to and also it is operating under atypical conditions right now.
Discovering which NPCs sell the things you want? Part of the exploration task the game gives you.
OMG.. LOL! I almost cried laughing. That's exactly what a fanboi would say.. good one, sir.
Let me get this straight: it's okay for this guy to call me a fanboi for suggesting something as innocent as discovering which NPCs sell the things you want is part of the game, but I get my message deleted and issued a warning for flaming when I point out just how ridiculous it is when a guy says he "almost cried laughing" because he says he can't imagine a land of fantasy and adventure without big glowing street signs pointing where everything he wants is?
(Well, okay, I should have toned that down a bit, and am. I do have a rather sharp tongue if I don't guard it, I admit.)
Yeah, we've heard it all before. It all comes down to this: the game is harder than you're used to and also it is operating under atypical conditions right now.
Discovering which NPCs sell the things you want? Part of the exploration task the game gives you.
OMG.. LOL! I almost cried laughing. That's exactly what a fanboi would say.. good one, sir.
Let me get this straight: it's okay for this guy to call me a fanboi for suggesting something as innocent as discovering which NPCs sell the things you want is part of the game, but I get my message deleted and issued a warning for flaming when I point out just how ridiculous it is when a guy says he "almost cried laughing" because he can't even visit a land of fantasy and adventure without big glowing street signs pointing where everything he wants is?
Now I havent played the game, but i'll say this. WOW is like having a GPS in a car that your only driving on a grid road system with signs out on every block and your told where to go. Now most games would be like having a map in your car, maybe basic street signs and trying to get around a normal everyday city. Sure you have to look at the map and figure out what street your on, etc. Now from what I can see with FF is that its like having no street signs, no map/gps, and having your windshield covered and you have to stick your head out the window and yell to bystanders "hey have you seen Bob?" in a city of 1 mill people.
Yeah, we've heard it all before. It all comes down to this: the game is harder than you're used to and also it is operating under atypical conditions right now.
Discovering which NPCs sell the things you want? Part of the exploration task the game gives you.
OMG.. LOL! I almost cried laughing. That's exactly what a fanboi would say.. good one, sir.
Let me get this straight: it's okay for this guy to call me a fanboi for suggesting something as innocent as discovering which NPCs sell the things you want is part of the game, but I get my message deleted and issued a warning for flaming when I point out just how ridiculous it is when a guy says he "almost cried laughing" because he says he can't even imagine a land of fantasy and adventure without big glowing street signs pointing where everything he wants is?
I got a warning for saying, "Huh, you really hate WoW," to someone after they brought up the reasons why they hated WoW.
I thought to myself - after all the things I've said, THAT is what they warned me for?
Yeah, we've heard it all before. It all comes down to this: the game is harder than you're used to and also it is operating under atypical conditions right now.
Discovering which NPCs sell the things you want? Part of the exploration task the game gives you.
OMG.. LOL! I almost cried laughing. That's exactly what a fanboi would say.. good one, sir.
Let me get this straight: it's okay for this guy to call me a fanboi for suggesting something as innocent as discovering which NPCs sell the things you want is part of the game, but I get my message deleted and issued a warning for flaming when I point out just how ridiculous it is when a guy says he "almost cried laughing" because he says he can't imagine a land of fantasy and adventure without big glowing street signs pointing where everything he wants is?
Sorry man anyone looking at your post history can tell you are a fanboi of this game, thats great power to you. But seriously I don't see how putting a title under someones name saying "blacksmith" or whatever makes the game less immersive. It's not like you're going to a mall with all stores having no sign saying whatever they are so you have to go into every store to see what's up.
Imo it's just lazy on the part of the developers, and just makes it take longer to do stuff which makes it annoying.
Yeah, we've heard it all before. It all comes down to this: the game is harder than you're used to and also it is operating under atypical conditions right now.
Discovering which NPCs sell the things you want? Part of the exploration task the game gives you.
OMG.. LOL! I almost cried laughing. That's exactly what a fanboi would say.. good one, sir.
Let me get this straight: it's okay for this guy to call me a fanboi for suggesting something as innocent as discovering which NPCs sell the things you want is part of the game, but I get my message deleted and issued a warning for flaming when I point out just how ridiculous it is when a guy says he "almost cried laughing" because he can't even visit a land of fantasy and adventure without big glowing street signs pointing where everything he wants is?
Now I havent played the game, but i'll say this. WOW is like having a GPS in a car that your only driving on a grid road system with signs out on every block and your told where to go. Now most games would be like having a map in your car, maybe basic street signs and trying to get around a normal everyday city. Sure you have to look at the map and figure out what street your on, etc. Now from what I can see with FF is that its like having no street signs, no map/gps, and having your windshield covered and you have to stick your head out the window and yell to bystanders "hey have you seen Bob?" in a city of 1 mill people.
Obviously the middle one is the best choice.
I don't know. Maybe it's more like the guy gives you a quest and then shows you on the map where you need to go to find whatever it is he wants you to find.
If someone asked me to go kill some birds, I'd ask him where I can find those birds. He would then tell me directions. I would then go kill the birds at the location. It really isn't that strange an idea.
I havent played the game and probably will never. I know exactly what is going to happen. All the FF fanboi's are going to play for another month untill their sub comes up and they are going to realize that no matter how good the graphics look or how much they love FF, if there is way to many bugs or outdated UI they will not resub. For people who arent huge FF fans, but wanted something different they will realize they made a poor mistake and move onto the next game. Vanguard which had issues on release ran into this. Exploration was a main factor and crafting was involved. What happened was people didnt resub and then the population went to the crapper. Funny thing is that VG's UI, graphics, sound, classes, crafting was actually damn good. With that said im not even interested in getting the game. I tried the last FF mmo and couldent handle it. So no im no FF fan, but I wouldent say that im not interested in what the game has to offer, just with all these issues its not worth my time and money when there are so many other mmo's out there that are doing it right.
First: There really are not very many bugs (in fact since I started playing last night I have yet to encounter a bug).
Secondly: The UI is just different it really does not take that long to figure it out (when I switched to the Hardware cursor I no longer had any lag either).
Thirdly: The main launch does not happen till the Thirtieth, but so far as I can tell pre-launch has been really smooth(yes there can be lag, but I am playing on a three year old laptop with only two gigs of ram and have all my settings on standard).
Fourthly: Read the damn Quest information; this game does tell you where is X and how to do it, but you have to read.
Fifthly: This only issue this game has is being different; some people can't handle anything that takes them out of their comfort zone. It is fine if the game is not your cup of tea, but to bash people who do like it is just imbecilic.
Two points on the 'not being able to find the right NPC' issue.
1) The NPC vendors are in fact fairly clearly identified, they tend to be in these things that look like "shops" or these other things that look like "markets" and they are standing in "stalls." On top of that, they tend to have this stuff around them called "wares" that are indicative of what it is they are selling. Now certainly you might not always be able to distinguish what exactly it is they are selling, so you have to speak with them...but if you bothered to look at the screen, and aren't a complete moron, it becomes painfully simple to at least distinguish which NPCs are selling things and which aren't...which reduces the number of NPCS you need to speak to from "hundreds" to about ten. God forbid you should be expected to learn where all the different major areas are in your starting city.
2) If you are upset that you have to talk to every NPC to learn whether or not they have something important to say or contribute to your game rather than simply adding a bit of color to the world, and you think you shouldn't have to do this, I have a quesiton for you. WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU PICK AN MMORPG TO BE THE FIRST FINAL FANTASY GAME YOU'VE EVER PLAYED?? Srsly...this is par for the course on FF games...they are ALL like this...you run through the town and talk to *everybody* and figure out what to do from there. If you play it differently the game is going to be quite difficult unless you're playing from a guide...which of course leads us to the 'FF doesn't hold your hand' comments.
A lot (not all by any means) of the complaints about this game seem to forget what Final Fantasy games are like. NEWS FLASH: THIS IS A FINAL FANTASY GAME! lol.
A friend of mine an I were talking on Mumble the other day (GREAT VOIP program by the way, I highly reccomend it over Vent, quality is WAY better and servers are cheaper), and we realized something. We both play AION again after 2.0 and people were in LFG chat bashing WoW for hours. Same thing happens in like 90% of games. Then you log on to WoW, and it's RARE to see anyone bashing another game. Why is that? One could argue they're too busy spamming anal jokes in trade to bash another game, I would concur with that to an extent, but it seems like every other game's fan base has some vendetta against a game that has 10x more subs then their game does. It would seem to me like MAYBE WoW was doing something right. I mean, no one has even come CLOSE to dethroning it from the top, and this is after 6+ years. Is it cool to hate WoW because it's the popular kid? Is it a rage against the machine type thing? I don't get it.
I REALLY wanted to like this game. I LOVED FFXI and played it a lot before I finally made the switch to WoW and other games. I just wasn't a fan of the need to group. I like to solo, because at the time, I didn't have time to sit aound and wait for groups. Bottom line is, the MMO world has evolved past FFXI and it's difficulty curve. You call it hand holding, I call it ease of use and enjoyability. NO AH? I realize it will probably be added later, but it seems like something people want. A UI OBVIOUSLY built for a console and game pad on a computer? And this is touted by the fanbois as "an added level of difficulty"? It's shoddy programming at best. Guild leves that are essentially grind quests of kill x of y mob repeatedly is depth and story? Someone should alert AION that they have the best story of any MMO ever then. Unique characters? How is that since every person can have the EXACT same skills? Sooner or later, someone is gonna find the best combo of skills and everyone will be in the same cookie cutter spec. Bottom line, if the fanbois would just admit the shortcomings of this game and save those of us who don't have a ton of money their time and money for a game that is obviously not that great, you'd stop getting flamed by people. Well....not completely, but it would definitely slow down.
Is this game terrible? In my opinion, yes, but I know others think another way. That's okay. It's why it's called an opinion. Is it as good as the fanbois keep saying? Definitely not. Is it as bad as the trollers keep saying? Nope. I would suggest that people wishing to get this game look at what everyone says, both sides, and make a decision somewhere in the middle, because that is where the truth lies, not with the zealots of the opposing factions.
Sorry man anyone looking at your post history can tell you are a fanboi of this game, thats great power to you.
"No, sorry man, you are that baseless negative label, more power to you" Oh, thanks alot, buddy.
This is another thing: I've also received warnings for pointing out people's post history. However, if you really looked into my post history, you'd also have encountered this one and this one. True fanboys would be well ignorant of what's wrong with the game, and I'm not.
I just happen to find these flaws to be lesser in the greater picture of the thing, and find it an affont to my senses when I encounter threads declare the game "God Awful" just because they can't look past them as I have. Consequently, you'll find me on this side more often, if you noticed earlier in this thread I'm giving the guy tips on how to overcome the issues.
Originally posted by DiSpLiFF
But seriously I don't see how putting a title under someones name saying "blacksmith" or whatever makes the game less immersive. It's not like you're going to a mall with all stores having no sign saying whatever they are so you have to go into every store to see what's up.
Imo it's just lazy on the part of the developers, and just makes it take longer to do stuff which makes it annoying.
If you want to see where the blacksmith/armorsmith is in FFXIV, it's not that hard. You look for the guy surrounded by suits of armor an weaponry. This rule doesn't apply in all cases in FFXIV, but it does apply to most.
From a developer standpoint, what do you think is the lazier, less immersive option:
Designing an elaborate stall that identifies the person as a blacksmith, where that fellow is identified by name, and sells a number of blacksmithing sundries in addition to a limited selection of weapons and/or armor, and you'll actually have a verbal exchange with this guy before you can buy or sell sometihng. (Like Final Fantasy XIV tends to do.)
Sticking 5 dudes out in the middle of nowhere surrounding some in some camp, with no visual indication that they've anything to do with blacksmithing/armorcrafting except each dude's name has been replaced with labels like "light armor" and "rogue weapons." They say not a word, for they are vending machines with orc holograms projected over them whose only purpose is to quickly facilitate the buying/selling of items. (Like, WoW tends to do for the average quest hub.)
Granted, in all fairness, that blacksmith in FFXIV generally won't have you want. The game is heavily player economy based, and trying to find players that sell want you want is a mess, but that's a recognized issue, and the first time this came up in this thread.
Come on people, don't you see that the OP was just venting, and was either too lazy/impatient/themepark-standard conditioned to take the time to adapt to different gameplay to overcome these simple hurdles.
When I played EQ, we had to talk to all NPC's too to learn which ones were useful and which ones not, there was no map, controls were clumsy: if we had ragequitted then, we sure had missed the blast of a time we had in all the months and years we played EQ.
Sure, times change, and gameplay doesn't always have to stay the same as in EQ, but have MMO gamers become so conditioned that when there's no big sign above NPC's heads and huge pointers to each quest target so that you don't have to think at all but autopilot through your quests, that it has become too different for them? You know what? Let's make gameplay even faster and easier, let's skip questing and leveling and just hop to level cap in a MMO immediately, I mean, it's questgrinding anyway, such a waste of time... or let the epic loot be available to anyone without any effort. I mean, things should be as easy and as fast as possible, right?
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people who think FFXIV NPC's are too hard to figure out and a waste of time to have to do it are either trolls jumping on the opportunity to continue their FFXIv bashing, or too conditioned by WoW-style gameplay to be able to adapt to different style of gameplay, and they will never get other gameplay styles besides WoW if only instant-gratification is the gameplay they understand.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Two points on the 'not being able to find the right NPC' issue.
1) The NPC vendors are in fact fairly clearly identified, they tend to be in these things that look like "shops" or these other things that look like "markets" and they are standing in "stalls." On top of that, they tend to have this stuff around them called "wares" that are indicative of what it is they are selling. Now certainly you might not always be able to distinguish what exactly it is they are selling, so you have to speak with them...but if you bothered to look at the screen, and aren't a complete moron, it becomes painfully simple to at least distinguish which NPCs are selling things and which aren't...which reduces the number of NPCS you need to speak to from "hundreds" to about ten. God forbid you should be expected to learn where all the different major areas are in your starting city.
2) If you are upset that you have to talk to every NPC to learn whether or not they have something important to say or contribute to your game rather than simply adding a bit of color to the world, and you think you shouldn't have to do this, I have a quesiton for you. WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU PICK AN MMORPG TO BE THE FIRST FINAL FANTASY GAME YOU'VE EVER PLAYED?? Srsly...this is par for the course on FF games...they are ALL like this...you run through the town and talk to *everybody* and figure out what to do from there. If you play it differently the game is going to be quite difficult unless you're playing from a guide...which of course leads us to the 'FF doesn't hold your hand' comments.
A lot (not all by any means) of the complaints about this game seem to forget what Final Fantasy games are like. NEWS FLASH: THIS IS A FINAL FANTASY GAME! lol.
Uh....Final Fantasy games overall, with the exception of 11 have widely linear quest paths. You start with a quest at the begining of the game which leads to the next quest and so on. So no, the excuse "It's a FF game" does not excuse forcing players to run around talking to everyone in towen hoping they want you to do something for them. What is so bad about denoting who has quests? I mean, it doesn't have to be an ! above their heads. It could be a different emote, like them looking like they're calling you over as you run by, or saying something as you run by. This is again another point argued by the fanbois as an "added level of difficulty". What it really is is terrible programming and time burning. They WANT you running around towns looking for quests so you might never hit your surplus and complain about that.
Uh....Final Fantasy games overall, with the exception of 11 have widely linear quest paths. You start with a quest at the begining of the game which leads to the next quest and so on. So no, the excuse "It's a FF game" does not excuse forcing players to run around talking to everyone in towen hoping they want you to do something for them. What is so bad about denoting who has quests? I mean, it doesn't have to be an ! above their heads. It could be a different emote, like them looking like they're calling you over as you run by, or saying something as you run by. This is again another point argued by the fanbois as an "added level of difficulty". What it really is is terrible programming and time burning. They WANT you running around towns looking for quests so you might never hit your surplus and complain about that.
Anyone who thinks that not adding an exclamation mark above quest-NPC's heads is terrible programming and time burning is horribly brainwashed by WoW-style gameplay, and should never come anywhere near a FF game.
it's a different style of gameplay. And coming from earlier MMO's as EQ where you had to figure out a lot more regarding quests with no maps or pointers or instant-travel, I certainly understand how these differences can lead to a fully different gameplay experience.
For those who can't adapt to that, there's enough other MMORPG's that cater to that specific WoW-type of gameplay with big quest pointers and signs above quest NPC's heads.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
FFXIV is not HARD of DIFFICULT to play, it's RETARDED and TEDIOUS to play. That's the differences. Don't drag WOW into the debate. Personally, I could careless for WOW, but at least WOW is entertaining.
Also, shouldn't a game ADAPT to players' NEEDS and DESIRES? After all they create a game to make money.
FFXIV is DIFFERENT, care to read better next time. And YOU might find it tedious (that is, if you're still playing and not just lurking on the forums), but OTHERS clearly don't.
And no, the game doesn't have to adapt to ALL players' needs and desires. The makers had a vision in their mind for how they wanted their game to be, and they chose not to make it a WoW clone in all its gameplay features. Don't like it? Then don't play it, you're not entitled to.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Giving a few pointers here and there doesn't make a game easier, it makes it more fun as there is less time wondering around doing nothing and more time playing the game.
Don't pretend that's it's harder than WoW or any other generic MMO, it just lacks basic features not making it hard just boring.
Can a Moderator name this forum: 'Final Fantasy XIV > Fanbois vs. Trolls
Since the release of this game there has been continious whining about how hard the game is and how others reply with: "if it's too hard, play other games'. Even if they list long walls of text the replies are basically the same (exceptions left aside)
Play the game, and if you don't like it.. don't flame with swear words, just mention what you don't like and maybe get tips from people who are actually enjoying it.
And people.. grow up, this is 2010 as proclaimed before, we are able to come up with more words then: 'Hater, shitface, asswhipe, fanboi and dumbass' .
Well.... I played both Alpha and Open. I really didn't like it. The beginners phase was slow. The learning curve was a little too steep for my taste. I understand Hard-Core FFXI fans will slap you with the "STFU" stick when you try and give your honest opinion. Theres a real diverse difference between hard vs intense. Intense is a constant challenge but at a reflex pace. Hard is constantly a chess game to creep along one mile-per-hour. I will give the game another chance later on down the road, but FFXIV wasn't what it lived up to be. I wanted the best of both worlds. FFXI's awesome story driven gameplay, lush scenery, vast community, and WoW's simplicity. Guess I'll just have to throw my hope to SWTOR. Cheers.
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I havent played the game and probably will never. I know exactly what is going to happen. All the FF fanboi's are going to play for another month untill their sub comes up and they are going to realize that no matter how good the graphics look or how much they love FF, if there is way to many bugs or outdated UI they will not resub. For people who arent huge FF fans, but wanted something different they will realize they made a poor mistake and move onto the next game. Vanguard which had issues on release ran into this. Exploration was a main factor and crafting was involved. What happened was people didnt resub and then the population went to the crapper. Funny thing is that VG's UI, graphics, sound, classes, crafting was actually damn good. With that said im not even interested in getting the game. I tried the last FF mmo and couldent handle it. So no im no FF fan, but I wouldent say that im not interested in what the game has to offer, just with all these issues its not worth my time and money when there are so many other mmo's out there that are doing it right.
I think if you were looking for quest npcs that took you from a to b to c to d...etc then this isn't ever going to be your type of game.
I don't know why people are saying this. This game pretty much does take you from A to B to C for much of the time. It is hand holding in that respect. Unless you're playing a different game to me. In mine I got quests from the adventurers guild, got told where to go, when I got there got told what to do, even got given a guild leve had I not already collected some... I'm sorry - how isn't this A to B to C. Then the leves themselves appear on the map as an orange flashing area and the mobs highlight showing which ones need to be killed. I am confused by people thinking this game doesn't do this sort of stuff when it does. Lots. To be honest everything its just like one big maze inone direction with limited pathing.
First: There really are not very many bugs (in fact since I started playing last night I have yet to encounter a bug).
Secondly: The UI is just different it really does not take that long to figure it out (when I switched to the Hardware cursor I no longer had any lag either).
Thirdly: The main launch does not happen till the Thirtieth, but so far as I can tell pre-launch has been really smooth(yes there can be lag, but I am playing on a three year old laptop with only two gigs of ram and have all my settings on standard).
Fourthly: Read the damn Quest information; this game does tell you where is X and how to do it, but you have to read.
Fifthly: This only issue this game has is being different; some people can't handle anything that takes them out of their comfort zone. It is fine if the game is not your cup of tea, but to bash people who do like it is just imbecilic.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
Instead, you have two options.
Go from A to B. Then go back to A and go to C. Do this 8 times.
or
Grind mob after mob after mob after mob.
The WoW system is looking better and better.
While I have to say that FFXIV ended up not being fully my cup of tea (simply because it felt too restrictive in my ability to progress as fast as I would like, and yes I fully understand the xp restrictive system and that you're supposed to level other aspects of your character and combine them later).
I think that ultimately the "exploration" system as you call it could use a little overhaul, WoW is far far far too much on safety rails (for an obvious reason they don't care how young or old their user base is, easier = more players more income). However FFXIV takes it a little too much to the extreme due to the pacing of the game being designed to be painfully slow in some sort of attempt to get you to stop and look at all the content you normally miss.
On the one hand that's great! I absolutely agree that people miss out on some of the intricacies put into the game world by the dev team, be it art or even enjoyable little programmed sequences. However these types of things have kind of a "once you've seen it - your good and don't need to have your attention demanded by it over and over" type of feel. I get that the city is nice and there are loads of NPC's all with very detailed dialogue set up for me to gain hints about later events or even possible directions I could take my character in a later date. (Very cool!) This is... up until the point in which I realise that with very very little direction at all from some of the leve's (not even a generalized location like northern part of the city, or southern, etc...) that I'm suddenly having to run for minutes upon minutes of time simply to look for an NPC.
Some of which are neatly hidden away on ledges, behind doors, or even stuck way out on some remote part of the docks of a city that require you to follow a series of paths that are far from direct to get out to them. Add the fact that this is the case for over half of a fairly large city that has multiple levels to it and suddenly you have a seemingly small job that gives small rewards befitting a small and simple job (as the job is quite simple once you actually find the person). That becomes a huge time sink and a large investment of your game time gets sucked away just looking to get started on one of the several leves you can do.
So ultimately WoW, War, and games such as those literally feed you a little dot on the map that says OMG QUEST HERE! which is so easy it's almost painful because you don't want to play due to disinterest. However FFXIV takes it far, too far into the other end of the extreme leaving you not wanting to bother due to the boredom that insues from searching forever.
Essentially both have a similar problem from polar opposite positions on questing.
A game that has major UI issues and un natural ui is not different. I play Atlantica and to me that is "different", but you know what, even Atlantica with it being so different makes sense. Has nothing to do with comfort zone.
I think you could compare it to right hand drive cars in North america. The little ricer fanboi's will love it and say "ya man its different so im cooler then you", but in reality right hand driver cars dont work on our roads. Sure you could drive it and over time you will most likely get used to it, but it wont work for obvious reasons.
-sigh- then play wow. i'm not going to try to sound eliteist or a douchebag, but if you like that system better....STICK TO IT! i mean let's be honest, SE didn't put a gun in anyones mouth and force you to buy it. the fact of the matter is everyone who likes wow systems....probably can't stand the damn game anymore because of the overnerfing, community, or whatever reason. so here you are, without a new mmo wanting to be apart of "the next big thing" that way you can say to newbies when they start up the game "i've played for -insert ammount of time here-" for the no-prize of having a bigger e-peen or whatever. the only problem is you get a new game that frankly i'll be honest in saying, some of you DID NOT take the time to learn or hear anything about it in the first place, probably never played XI...in fact it sounds like some of you might have had yourFF I.Q. stop at like X, then assume this'd be simmilar if not exactly the same. you spent a rediculous ammount of money to PLAY A WEEK BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE (because frankly that's ALL the CE gives you besides the helmet and code key....and let's face it....80 bucks on anything that doesn't ask you if you want a happy ending now a days is rediculous.) in the hopes of again saying "na-na i was on a week before you" but OMG it's not what you imagined, and you say "-insert complaint here-" and proceed to piss up a rope because basically you've already entered in all the authorization codes....set up an account that you attached to your credit card, spent however long loading it onto the "beast machine computer" you claim to have, and after all the effort...surprise surprise the heavens did not open up for you. calling it lipstick on a pig or saying wow's UI's and system for whatever is better proves that. the real problem is that if you WERE playing that...what stops you from playing now? that's my question. i was a wow player, i will tell you in detail if you wish why i left. but the fact of the matter is i'm not playing this expecting someting simmilar to that game...or XI....or AoC.....or anyother mmo on earth you know why? because it's an entirely different game than all those....if i wanted to play wow....i'd reinstall wow....which is what most of you want to do...but for some reason wown't so instead of just going "live and learn" you proceed to bitch and moan to people who LIKE the game and then we defend it...albeit some of us are not nice in doing it at times....but when it's done "well your a fanboi".......well thank you sir, you are correct...i am a fan...i like the game....i like SE products....why in my psp right now i have "kingdom hearts:birth to sleep" in my nintendo DS i have a direct port of the first front mission game, in my x-box 360 i have FF XIII, and in my ps2 i have my anthology version of chrono trigger...damn they REALLY sucked me in....making games i like that not everyone else might like....good lord the bloodsucking bastards. in conclusion...if you like WoW, AoC, whatever game....cool.....i'm not a fan of AoC but that's just me....i'm not gonna fault you for me not liking it. i wown't play WoW again until they clean up the community because frankly it's just rediculous now. and i am on LOR f2p because it's fun.....not because the controlls are great.....or the damn game give me a hummer in my chair...because i like talking with the people on brandywine's server and i get to do quests where i'm given instructions from gandalf and elrond. i've gone on long enough so in closing, if you like it wonderful! i hope to see you on my server. if not, i'm sorry it wasn't your cup of tea, but please for the love of GOD....stop spoiling my fun because you're bored.
Played:FFXI, WoW, LOTR,EQ. Playing:FFXIV.
Looking Forward To:DCU, SWTOR.
What a sad wall of text. The OP did not sound like a WOW fanboi and really the issues have nothing to do with wow and its community. You obviously have no idea what your talking about because your basing all mmo's on WOW. There was a lot of mmo's before WOW . One of the main issues with the game is the UI. Seems like fanboi's want to make excuses for the lack of development that went into the UI to say "well its different". Different is good, but from what I have been reading is that the UI in FF is not different in a good way.
Let me get this straight: it's okay for this guy to call me a fanboi for suggesting something as innocent as discovering which NPCs sell the things you want is part of the game, but I get my message deleted and issued a warning for flaming when I point out just how ridiculous it is when a guy says he "almost cried laughing" because he says he can't imagine a land of fantasy and adventure without big glowing street signs pointing where everything he wants is?
(Well, okay, I should have toned that down a bit, and am. I do have a rather sharp tongue if I don't guard it, I admit.)
Now I havent played the game, but i'll say this. WOW is like having a GPS in a car that your only driving on a grid road system with signs out on every block and your told where to go. Now most games would be like having a map in your car, maybe basic street signs and trying to get around a normal everyday city. Sure you have to look at the map and figure out what street your on, etc. Now from what I can see with FF is that its like having no street signs, no map/gps, and having your windshield covered and you have to stick your head out the window and yell to bystanders "hey have you seen Bob?" in a city of 1 mill people.
Obviously the middle one is the best choice.
I got a warning for saying, "Huh, you really hate WoW," to someone after they brought up the reasons why they hated WoW.
I thought to myself - after all the things I've said, THAT is what they warned me for?
Sorry man anyone looking at your post history can tell you are a fanboi of this game, thats great power to you. But seriously I don't see how putting a title under someones name saying "blacksmith" or whatever makes the game less immersive. It's not like you're going to a mall with all stores having no sign saying whatever they are so you have to go into every store to see what's up.
Imo it's just lazy on the part of the developers, and just makes it take longer to do stuff which makes it annoying.
I don't know. Maybe it's more like the guy gives you a quest and then shows you on the map where you need to go to find whatever it is he wants you to find.
If someone asked me to go kill some birds, I'd ask him where I can find those birds. He would then tell me directions. I would then go kill the birds at the location. It really isn't that strange an idea.
theres some lag and party bugs but /shrug
Two points on the 'not being able to find the right NPC' issue.
1) The NPC vendors are in fact fairly clearly identified, they tend to be in these things that look like "shops" or these other things that look like "markets" and they are standing in "stalls." On top of that, they tend to have this stuff around them called "wares" that are indicative of what it is they are selling. Now certainly you might not always be able to distinguish what exactly it is they are selling, so you have to speak with them...but if you bothered to look at the screen, and aren't a complete moron, it becomes painfully simple to at least distinguish which NPCs are selling things and which aren't...which reduces the number of NPCS you need to speak to from "hundreds" to about ten. God forbid you should be expected to learn where all the different major areas are in your starting city.
2) If you are upset that you have to talk to every NPC to learn whether or not they have something important to say or contribute to your game rather than simply adding a bit of color to the world, and you think you shouldn't have to do this, I have a quesiton for you. WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU PICK AN MMORPG TO BE THE FIRST FINAL FANTASY GAME YOU'VE EVER PLAYED?? Srsly...this is par for the course on FF games...they are ALL like this...you run through the town and talk to *everybody* and figure out what to do from there. If you play it differently the game is going to be quite difficult unless you're playing from a guide...which of course leads us to the 'FF doesn't hold your hand' comments.
A lot (not all by any means) of the complaints about this game seem to forget what Final Fantasy games are like. NEWS FLASH: THIS IS A FINAL FANTASY GAME! lol.
A friend of mine an I were talking on Mumble the other day (GREAT VOIP program by the way, I highly reccomend it over Vent, quality is WAY better and servers are cheaper), and we realized something. We both play AION again after 2.0 and people were in LFG chat bashing WoW for hours. Same thing happens in like 90% of games. Then you log on to WoW, and it's RARE to see anyone bashing another game. Why is that? One could argue they're too busy spamming anal jokes in trade to bash another game, I would concur with that to an extent, but it seems like every other game's fan base has some vendetta against a game that has 10x more subs then their game does. It would seem to me like MAYBE WoW was doing something right. I mean, no one has even come CLOSE to dethroning it from the top, and this is after 6+ years. Is it cool to hate WoW because it's the popular kid? Is it a rage against the machine type thing? I don't get it.
I REALLY wanted to like this game. I LOVED FFXI and played it a lot before I finally made the switch to WoW and other games. I just wasn't a fan of the need to group. I like to solo, because at the time, I didn't have time to sit aound and wait for groups. Bottom line is, the MMO world has evolved past FFXI and it's difficulty curve. You call it hand holding, I call it ease of use and enjoyability. NO AH? I realize it will probably be added later, but it seems like something people want. A UI OBVIOUSLY built for a console and game pad on a computer? And this is touted by the fanbois as "an added level of difficulty"? It's shoddy programming at best. Guild leves that are essentially grind quests of kill x of y mob repeatedly is depth and story? Someone should alert AION that they have the best story of any MMO ever then. Unique characters? How is that since every person can have the EXACT same skills? Sooner or later, someone is gonna find the best combo of skills and everyone will be in the same cookie cutter spec. Bottom line, if the fanbois would just admit the shortcomings of this game and save those of us who don't have a ton of money their time and money for a game that is obviously not that great, you'd stop getting flamed by people. Well....not completely, but it would definitely slow down.
Is this game terrible? In my opinion, yes, but I know others think another way. That's okay. It's why it's called an opinion. Is it as good as the fanbois keep saying? Definitely not. Is it as bad as the trollers keep saying? Nope. I would suggest that people wishing to get this game look at what everyone says, both sides, and make a decision somewhere in the middle, because that is where the truth lies, not with the zealots of the opposing factions.
"No, sorry man, you are that baseless negative label, more power to you" Oh, thanks alot, buddy.
This is another thing: I've also received warnings for pointing out people's post history. However, if you really looked into my post history, you'd also have encountered this one and this one. True fanboys would be well ignorant of what's wrong with the game, and I'm not.
I just happen to find these flaws to be lesser in the greater picture of the thing, and find it an affont to my senses when I encounter threads declare the game "God Awful" just because they can't look past them as I have. Consequently, you'll find me on this side more often, if you noticed earlier in this thread I'm giving the guy tips on how to overcome the issues.
If you want to see where the blacksmith/armorsmith is in FFXIV, it's not that hard. You look for the guy surrounded by suits of armor an weaponry. This rule doesn't apply in all cases in FFXIV, but it does apply to most.
From a developer standpoint, what do you think is the lazier, less immersive option:
Designing an elaborate stall that identifies the person as a blacksmith, where that fellow is identified by name, and sells a number of blacksmithing sundries in addition to a limited selection of weapons and/or armor, and you'll actually have a verbal exchange with this guy before you can buy or sell sometihng. (Like Final Fantasy XIV tends to do.)
Sticking 5 dudes out in the middle of nowhere surrounding some in some camp, with no visual indication that they've anything to do with blacksmithing/armorcrafting except each dude's name has been replaced with labels like "light armor" and "rogue weapons." They say not a word, for they are vending machines with orc holograms projected over them whose only purpose is to quickly facilitate the buying/selling of items. (Like, WoW tends to do for the average quest hub.)
Granted, in all fairness, that blacksmith in FFXIV generally won't have you want. The game is heavily player economy based, and trying to find players that sell want you want is a mess, but that's a recognized issue, and the first time this came up in this thread.
Is this stupid discussion still going on strong?
Come on people, don't you see that the OP was just venting, and was either too lazy/impatient/themepark-standard conditioned to take the time to adapt to different gameplay to overcome these simple hurdles.
When I played EQ, we had to talk to all NPC's too to learn which ones were useful and which ones not, there was no map, controls were clumsy: if we had ragequitted then, we sure had missed the blast of a time we had in all the months and years we played EQ.
Sure, times change, and gameplay doesn't always have to stay the same as in EQ, but have MMO gamers become so conditioned that when there's no big sign above NPC's heads and huge pointers to each quest target so that you don't have to think at all but autopilot through your quests, that it has become too different for them? You know what? Let's make gameplay even faster and easier, let's skip questing and leveling and just hop to level cap in a MMO immediately, I mean, it's questgrinding anyway, such a waste of time... or let the epic loot be available to anyone without any effort. I mean, things should be as easy and as fast as possible, right?
TL;DR
people who think FFXIV NPC's are too hard to figure out and a waste of time to have to do it are either trolls jumping on the opportunity to continue their FFXIv bashing, or too conditioned by WoW-style gameplay to be able to adapt to different style of gameplay, and they will never get other gameplay styles besides WoW if only instant-gratification is the gameplay they understand.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Uh....Final Fantasy games overall, with the exception of 11 have widely linear quest paths. You start with a quest at the begining of the game which leads to the next quest and so on. So no, the excuse "It's a FF game" does not excuse forcing players to run around talking to everyone in towen hoping they want you to do something for them. What is so bad about denoting who has quests? I mean, it doesn't have to be an ! above their heads. It could be a different emote, like them looking like they're calling you over as you run by, or saying something as you run by. This is again another point argued by the fanbois as an "added level of difficulty". What it really is is terrible programming and time burning. They WANT you running around towns looking for quests so you might never hit your surplus and complain about that.
Anyone who thinks that not adding an exclamation mark above quest-NPC's heads is terrible programming and time burning is horribly brainwashed by WoW-style gameplay, and should never come anywhere near a FF game.
it's a different style of gameplay. And coming from earlier MMO's as EQ where you had to figure out a lot more regarding quests with no maps or pointers or instant-travel, I certainly understand how these differences can lead to a fully different gameplay experience.
For those who can't adapt to that, there's enough other MMORPG's that cater to that specific WoW-type of gameplay with big quest pointers and signs above quest NPC's heads.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
FFXIV is DIFFERENT, care to read better next time. And YOU might find it tedious (that is, if you're still playing and not just lurking on the forums), but OTHERS clearly don't.
And no, the game doesn't have to adapt to ALL players' needs and desires. The makers had a vision in their mind for how they wanted their game to be, and they chose not to make it a WoW clone in all its gameplay features. Don't like it? Then don't play it, you're not entitled to.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Giving a few pointers here and there doesn't make a game easier, it makes it more fun as there is less time wondering around doing nothing and more time playing the game.
Don't pretend that's it's harder than WoW or any other generic MMO, it just lacks basic features not making it hard just boring.
Can a Moderator name this forum: 'Final Fantasy XIV > Fanbois vs. Trolls
Since the release of this game there has been continious whining about how hard the game is and how others reply with: "if it's too hard, play other games'. Even if they list long walls of text the replies are basically the same (exceptions left aside)
Play the game, and if you don't like it.. don't flame with swear words, just mention what you don't like and maybe get tips from people who are actually enjoying it.
And people.. grow up, this is 2010 as proclaimed before, we are able to come up with more words then: 'Hater, shitface, asswhipe, fanboi and dumbass' .
Cheers!
Well.... I played both Alpha and Open. I really didn't like it. The beginners phase was slow. The learning curve was a little too steep for my taste. I understand Hard-Core FFXI fans will slap you with the "STFU" stick when you try and give your honest opinion. Theres a real diverse difference between hard vs intense. Intense is a constant challenge but at a reflex pace. Hard is constantly a chess game to creep along one mile-per-hour. I will give the game another chance later on down the road, but FFXIV wasn't what it lived up to be. I wanted the best of both worlds. FFXI's awesome story driven gameplay, lush scenery, vast community, and WoW's simplicity. Guess I'll just have to throw my hope to SWTOR. Cheers.
Played - M59, EQOA, EQ, EQ2, PS, SWG[Favorite], DAoC, UO, RS, MXO, CoH/CoV, TR, FFXI, FoM, WoW, Eve, Rift, SWTOR, TSW.
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