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Welll gameing since UO and even played Warcraft some years and liked it in some cases that made me play it long enough. Anyway I realy like Final Fantasy 14.
Your point that the masses can see it as he tell and states is a good one but I still dislike geenralisation and when people think they can talk for me.
An other thing would be when he says '5-10+ year vets are not going to tolerate this garbage.'. Aside of that I dislike the attitude I hate the arrogance to speak for all people of a group.
What's interesting as I read the many threads like this (and they are legion) is how similar the complaints are to those made about EVE. Boring, unimaginative, difficult, menu driven UI, too much dependency on crafting (industry) etc.
Yet, for all its faults, there is a solid niche group of gamers than enjoy EVE for the sum of its parts, despite its challenges and shortfalls.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I can understand completely how FFXIV could be very appealing to its target audience, and yet hated and reviled by a larger group of gamers.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
That is the truth. I've seen this mindset in other games too. Problem is soon they will be only able to enjoy an empty world, then the server mergers will happen. If I was really liking this game and wanting it to do well I would probably help get data onto a wiki website for it so people could figure things out and enjoy the game more.
Initially I planned on buying the CE but now I am going to wait until after they have time to optimize the game, merge the servers and add a free trial.
Sounds like they have a good game but the release was way to soon. That is going to leave a bad taste in alot of gamers who will not longer want to play this or other games they produce.
Well things thate are for some people plain and boring are for others just fine. So why must something changed drastical to please the masses again and leave out the minority group it aimed for?
I mean from a buisness point it makes sense but why should only be the crying masses allowed to have fun? Why must be all catered for them? This is something I find sort of arrogant. If we get after the masses we actually would need only MMORPG or?
You never can make all people happy and that is maybe a good thing. Try to make all people happy normally leads to something nobody likes.
Hehe, i am used to it. I played EVE since the day one and i have got so much name calling over it. I was also branded elitist, stuck up, arrogant and what not. Some people like complex games and something which is different than typical WOW/EQ model. Now we are getting the same complaints here. 'This game is bad because i don't know what npc to talk to.'
/sigh.
EVE is a true sandbox, which FF XIV clearly isn't, it's a linear progression, very story-driven (which is what FF XI players love about it) even if in XIV that linearity is multi-directional, thus "open" in appearance (however looking at how crafting classes tend to rely on one another, there is a definite linearity in the core job system), same goes between the crafting system and the equipment system, and so on. It's all tied together. That is not sandbox. It's pure RPG linearity. Which is good, don't take this the wrong way, it's what made all those past FF superb, coherent, brilliant RPGs: linearity is often the best way to tell stories in video games. Anyway, I guess we're still 6 months from seeing the realization of that in FF XIV anyway, in the minds of its developers, but I digress.
I agree you can compare how the average user approaches both those games, but that's about it. It would be a fallacy to say that because they're both seen as niches, then both games are alike. The quality of one doesn't at all imply the quality of the other--or else pretty much every small game with a bunch of fan-failed supporters would be as big as EVE. A reality check is required here.
Comparing EvE with this is laughable at best. Seriously? This game is crap...period and its made by a company that doesn't care what the players want or think. It isnt for a niche market, its for people who enjoy self inflciting pain on themselves in an attempt to justify paying $$$ for the CE in what has turned out to be overwhelmingly agreed pos mmo
Games that are a niche type always have the absolute best community.This was true for both Vanguard and EQ 2 . I am hoping Square has not pinned it hopes to a larger player base than what I am currently understanding from all these threads. They could do very well if they are not really expecting huge numbers because this type of a player base is loyal and the game itself with the fantastic community these types of games inevitably engender from the mutual off the beaten track type of games will succeed. Of course not in other people's eyes but like some one pointed out about Eve it is not all about numbers you know.
It does not matter all the doom and gloom and the continuous badgering threads .Just read them once for you to understand the type of gamer complaining. You will know immediately from the class of complaints what the gamer is and if the things you enjoy are in FFXIV than you just need like minded individuals. Although I must admit I would like the game to be very successful but my gaming enjoyment comes from communities and big ones have the worst communities ever.
I didn't find it offensive.
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Game hits shelves tomorrow. You fanbois better brace yourselves. Note that you can only shove your head so far up your own ass.
Lol...
Guy clearly manages to genuinely offend folks on a subject completely unrelated to FFXIV, and of course it somehow gets associated with it. Obviously, the best possible way of handling such a situation is to turn tail and ditch the situation because those people are clearly unreasonable FFXIV-haters/trolls.
Good advice, Kaocan! Teach us more.
I didn't find it offensive.
Then I wasn't referring to you. If you read back a few replies, a couple other people were upset at the comment. I doubt every person that might've taken offense were vocal, either."The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
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But this is a forum, not real life and the original statement wasn't refering to any specific person (and apparently anyone but those who seemed to take offence).
He wasn't saying anything that isn't said billion times on every single forum. For any layman the phrase Attention Deficit Disorder is pretty self explainitory and not really aimed anyone who is ill but more at those who have.... an ... attention deficit disorder? Sorry but there is a limit to how far you should have to pussyfoot around other people's over sensitive sensabilities.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
FIRST GAME WHERE CRAFTING REALLY MATTERS?
YOU MUST BE SOOOO NEW TO MMOS.
Ooooooooook...
Since you decided to nitpick my remark and re-hash the subject, I feel obligated to respond.
Let me introduce you to context. It seems you saw what I said, and completely neglected the events leading up to it. Perhaps read the rest of a thread before you post? Admittedly, it might be confusing as Holdenhamlet chose to edit the comments he'd made out of his post, but they were quite pointed, rude, and insensitive beyond just a mere mention of ADD. While I personally didn't take offense, others did. If you read the posts and replies that followed, you'd understand where my reply came from. Frankly, I agree that MortisRex went a bit over the top, but at the same time, dismissive people like yourself couldn't care less, and I'm sure for some it's rather frustrating. You want to talk about not "pussyfooting around other people's sensabilities" but I'm pretty sure if someone came in throwing racial slurs, you'd likely be offended yourself. Unless you can say otherwise, that's what you'd call a double standard. Worse still is you're trying to defend someone that - again - clearly offended someone in a direct reply to that person, essentially asking folks to toughen-up, all the while neglecting just how worked up some folks in this very thread are over a far less consequential subject - FFXIV. On top of alllll that, just because something is used often doesn't just make it OK. Of course, explaining further would require you actually cared, which obviously isn't the case.
Edit: By the bye; short attention span =/= ADD.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
Even in the danger that I get it wrong, the aspect of being annoyed and criticice Holdenhamlet, was not about this game but in my case about the way to often use about ADD and the his amybe intended funny comment about not haveing the stimulateing drugs.
MAybe it fits betetr to say like that you say to someone that does have sugar illness and that one hears flippy hey I do not get these cool needle injections it is funny. Just like the sugar illness ADD is a chronical illness, that as got explained needs the medics on order to support normal thinking. Oh and as I mentioned before persons with ADD have a high right and wrong feeling, not in all cases but in some. That most leikly did lead me to my first comment after all.
Than I somehowlost where this discussion went and people thought that the dislike against Holdenhamlet was because of his like in FF 14 but it was more about the snippy comment.
I tolerate peoples meaning and all but I just dislike when they are plain wrong and uninformed on a topic and yes it annoyed me that he used ADD as an argument several times. I totaly udnerstand that it is for the rest of the worldis sure a boring topic and alland not even bothers them in the slightest but it still should allow me to complain that I find it insulting.:)
I'm going to have to agree with you. I was a little over the top. Ignoring my own struggles with ADD most of my life, I had a clinical experience with a young girl receiving chemotherapy (she didn't want it because of fear that people would make fun of her because the agent we were using has a high incidence of allopecia) yesterday that made his insensitive remarks strike even closer to home than they normally would. I appreciate you at least making the effort to understand. Trying to explain morality to other people is a frustrating prospect. The individual you're responding to comes in 8 hours after Hamlet has made several edits and thinks he knows the whole story and then justifies it by saying "everyone else does it, so it's okay". How can you argue with someone that would embrace that short of logic and mindset? Not even worth it to waste your time. That's why I'm not bothering responding to hamlet again. Honestly, it's an exercise in futility to encourage decency, introspection, and basic human kindness when someone can hide behind the anonymity of the internet and let their true character show without fear of reprecussions. You get a real peak at the kind of person they really are.
This probaly ranks as the worst mmo I ever played. There are better Free To Play games out.
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The one thing that really kinda got me about this game in comparing it to something like L2 was that it is definitly not a grind game... grind games have mobs to grind.
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Have to agree.
Where it is coming from? Uhmmm... it is a poor game? That is probably where it is coming from?
I mean, obviously, when people are angry it has to do with something in the game they dont like and not the aligment of the stars?
I only played for a brief time in beta but from what I heard the UI is crap, the combat is slow, boring and un-engaging. The quests are boring and repetetive and the crafting is a chore. And playing a game that is a chore usually makes people angry because obviously they expected something else.
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Would you say FFXI was the same way? I think so.
This threads gone too far offtopic. Locked.