It's a bit unfair to say that MMO's like this are always afwul. There are only 2 of them on the market both developed by Cryptic.
City of Heroes whilst it had a few problems at the start is a fantastic game and something Cryptic will be (and should be) proud of. Champions Online on the other hand was terrible from the start in it's execution. As it stands games of the superhero genre are 50/50 good and bad, to base it off anything other than that is just hyperbole.
As stated earlier, I can only determine the games worth on the information I DO know, not on what I don't know. I'm not going to speculate over things I can't predict, but I can say I think the combat system, graphics, and premise behind the game appeals to me. I also like the ideas behind the character creation too. I'm not really a DC fan, I was always more partial to Marvel, but my hopes are high that this game will bring me at least as much enjoyment as CoX did.
Of course, the information a company, whose motive is getting your money, chooses to NOT reveal is just as important as what it chooses to reveal.
So, then, you know what they haven't revealed and because of this you don't like the game?
Theres actually some decent information out there on the game. Nothing so cut and dry, but for interested parties, spending time in DCUO source for 20 minutes could yield enough information to make a somewhat informed decision. This is under the assumption they haven't seen any of the videos of gameplay .. which I seriously doubt many people in this thread have even bothered to do.
Also, basing your information on what isn't shown doesn't make sense. Wheres the line? What information is necessary before you decide this game is "up to your standards"? Or is it just one of those things where players feel they should get to try everything before they spend money on it...........
Sorry, but you are being a bit naive here. The reality is that there is a stunning lack of information for a game that is supposed to be live in about 2 months. Drachasor is absolutely correct in his statement that what a company chooses not to reveal is important...I would encourage you to keep an equally healthy sense of skepticism in all aspects of your life.
Unfortunately, (and I'm not certain of your intent) your response seems rather defensive for a rather bland statement. Your response that you could gleen enough information to make a "somewhat informed decision" is decidedly apologetic. If information from your perspective (which you seem to be a fan of the game already and probably have read up on it a good deal) is that fuzzy, the implications are that the company is using that as a tactic...let people read between the lines to lead them to what they want to believe in lieu of providing concrete information to lead to a truly informed potential consumer.
I have not formed any opinion of DC Universe at this time. I don't mind super hero MMOs, and have played CoX for several years as well as CO for a few months. However, ignoring genre and any particular desire to play a particular game, everyone should agree that the lack of clear specifics with 2 months to launch should not generally be taken as a good sign (whether it will be a let-down, or that they may be substantial delays, or some other reason).
Healthy skepticism based on what? Others perceived notions of what this game will not accomplish? What an unrealistic biased response. I've stated it before and I'll do it again, based on the information I have, I think the game looks good. What others don't know about the game isn't my problem, I'm not here to decide if the game is good for you or Drachasor. But as Drachasor stated before there are plenty of games he thought "failed" that I did not.
This isn't a "my opinions right yours is wrong" situation, there is no right or wrong. Looking over sites like http://www.dcuosource.com/ that goes over the information and puts it into a place that is easy to see for all interested parties seems to be the norm nowadays.
Now again, because my questions were bypassed, where is the line here? What amount of information are you looking for that you haven't seen that would suddenly change your mind? I don't think the lack of information makes a game any worse or any better. In fact, information has NO bearing on how the game plays at all, just how high that little hype meter goes.
Now, I didn't say that this game would be the next best thing since sliced bread, and I didn't say I wouldn't try it in OB if I had the chance, but I did say I'm looking forward to the game and I'm considering buying it. My interest in the game is for my own reasons based on the information I've SEEN, not the information I haven't which again, makes no sense because I can't base what I know off of what I don't.
So WHAT features haven't you seen that makes you dislike the game?
So WHAT features haven't you seen that makes you dislike the game?
Come on. You go to that website and even the "basics" are filled with incomplete lists of what is in the game. They have to resort to grabbing stuff from various interviews because there's no better source. That's not the sort of thing that screams out "this game is good and ready to go in a month" at all. Quite the opposite, in fact.
It's not about disliking or liking the game, per se. It's about seeing how all the information on it is far, far from complete and realizing that this is a warning sign of an incomplete or otherwise problematic game. It's taking that and realizing that pre-ordering isn't a great idea and one should wait a week or more after release to see what people are saying about it.
Frankly, I've never seen an MMO released with this level of information that was good. They should be hyping this game up right now and talking about all of its features. I WOULD be surprised if this game was good, but honestly it is all about being properly cautious.
So WHAT features haven't you seen that makes you dislike the game?
Come on. You go to that website and even the "basics" are filled with incomplete lists of what is in the game. They have to resort to grabbing stuff from various interviews because there's no better source. That's not the sort of thing that screams out "this game is good and ready to go in a month" at all. Quite the opposite, in fact.
It's not about disliking or liking the game, per se. It's about seeing how all the information on it is far, far from complete and realizing that this is a warning sign of an incomplete or otherwise problematic game. It's taking that and realizing that pre-ordering isn't a great idea and one should wait a week or more after release to see what people are saying about it.
Frankly, I've never seen an MMO released with this level of information that was good. They should be hyping this game up right now and talking about all of its features. I WOULD be surprised if this game was good, but honestly it is all about being properly cautious.
Being cautious and being pessimistic are two different things and I don't think many people on this site know the difference. Plus, skirting the question entirely is another good way to dismiss the entirety of the points it represents.
Never did I say that I would preorder the game, nor do I ever tell anyone to preorder ANY game, MMO or Single Player. I just don't think it is a good idea, no matter how good the game is unless you are sure you can get your deposit back. I haven't and will not preorder SWTOR or GW2 eventhough I am almost certain that these games will keep me entertained for more than a few months.
The point I was presenting is, there are many details of this game that people aren't aware of, and even less aware of if they haven't been following this game at all. I could say the same for those following games like GW2 and SWTOR, especially for posters on this site. So perhaps theres still some information that is not known, but theres also a good chance that the information I've seen and heard about influences my decision in a different way.
My decision is based only on my opinions from the information I've seen. Its not based on the information thats not there. Thats what I'm trying to point out that everyone is dismissing. I can't tell you what SOE isn't telling us, but I can tell you that what they have told us and shown us in interviews, at gameshows, and comiccons does have me intrigued enough to play the game.
As launch approaches, roughly 2 weeks I'd say, I'll be looking forward to more information on an open beta of sorts. If there is NO open beta, which I think is detrimental to server stability, I would probably be concerned enough to lay off the game for another week after launch until I hear some solid feedback.
Being interested and excited about the game does not equal being naive in MMO launches, all it equals is interest and excitement. People can still be optimistic towards a launch with or without loads of information, and still make a good decision. (whatever "good decision" may mean to them). I know that no matter what I do, whether I play the game in OB and end up passing on the title, or not play open beta because there wasn't one and still buy the game on launch, I'll have done so because of my decision and I can live with that.
Never did I say that I would preorder the game, nor do I ever tell anyone to preorder ANY game, MMO or Single Player. I just don't think it is a good idea, no matter how good the game is unless you are sure you can get your deposit back. I haven't and will not preorder SWTOR or GW2 eventhough I am almost certain that these games will keep me entertained for more than a few months.
The point I was presenting is, there are many details of this game that people aren't aware of, and even less aware of if they haven't been following this game at all. I could say the same for those following games like GW2 and SWTOR, especially for posters on this site. So perhaps theres still some information that is not known, but theres also a good chance that the information I've seen and heard about influences my decision in a different way.
My decision is based only on my opinions from the information I've seen. Its not based on the information thats not there. Thats what I'm trying to point out that everyone is dismissing. I can't tell you what SOE isn't telling us, but I can tell you that what they have told us and shown us in interviews, at gameshows, and comiccons does have me intrigued enough to play the game.
As launch approaches, roughly 2 weeks I'd say, I'll be looking forward to more information on an open beta of sorts. If there is NO open beta, which I think is detrimental to server stability, I would probably be concerned enough to lay off the game for another week after launch until I hear some solid feedback.
Being interested and excited about the game does not equal being naive in MMO launches, all it equals is interest and excitement. People can still be optimistic towards a launch with or without loads of information, and still make a good decision. (whatever "good decision" may mean to them). I know that no matter what I do, whether I play the game in OB and end up passing on the title, or not play open beta because there wasn't one and still buy the game on launch, I'll have done so because of my decision and I can live with that.
I'm going to preface this by saying I'm a big comic book fan, and have been extremely excited about this game since it weas announced. Certainly everyone should make their own decision whether to buy the game. Personally I also applaud your stance against pre-ordering games in general. However you seem to be missing the points that others have raised.
As far as any beta is concerned, I don't have a lot of hope there either. At this point I doubt we'll see more then a "stress test" as opposed to an actual beta test. You stated above you think they'll announce a beta in about two weeks. That leaves about 3 weeks until launch. Subtract at least one week for the game to go gold and be distibuted. That only leaves 2 weeks to address any bugs found in a real beta test.
While I agree with your stance on pre-ordering (tho I have in the past), I assure you game companies do not. They want as many pre-orders as possible and value them enough to offer special incentives to get people to do so. And compared to the masjority of MMO 's released in the past Sone has released VERY little factual information about this game. In terms of previous MMO's two trends come into play here. The more information about a game that is released the more confident people feel about pre-ordering. Second, games that have as little information released pre-launch as DCUO appears headed for have done poorly as frequently the companies are trying to hide problems or lack of content that will turn customers off. Indeed in the case of anyone looking at the PC version of this game such as myself, Sony is literally prohibiting me from pre-ordering the game, as they have not released system specs. I'm certainly not going to buy something if I don't even know if I can use it.
As far as people being excited and optimistic about this launch, the problem is Sony has given us real, concrete reasons to not be optimistic.
The Moving Finger writes, and, having writ, Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
Never did I say that I would preorder the game, nor do I ever tell anyone to preorder ANY game, MMO or Single Player. I just don't think it is a good idea, no matter how good the game is unless you are sure you can get your deposit back. I haven't and will not preorder SWTOR or GW2 eventhough I am almost certain that these games will keep me entertained for more than a few months.
So, then you agree with my advice to the OP that he should cancel his pre-order?
Never did I say that I would preorder the game, nor do I ever tell anyone to preorder ANY game, MMO or Single Player. I just don't think it is a good idea, no matter how good the game is unless you are sure you can get your deposit back. I haven't and will not preorder SWTOR or GW2 eventhough I am almost certain that these games will keep me entertained for more than a few months.
So, then you agree with my advice to the OP that he should cancel his pre-order?
Absolutely I never agree with tying your money up in something like an MMO or a game when things like Launch date and build, changes so frequently before launch. If you're going to buy the game, buy it on release. Many people put up preorder money to get into beta early, then turn around and complain that they spent all this money and didn't like the BETA. Then they complain that they are having a hard time getting their money back. If you can't get your money back on the preorder and you know you can't, don't preorder. Its just a bad decision. If you're a gamer who can't live with decisions good or bad, then you should just steer clear of ever preordering.
Still, I think that the OP can be optimistic about the game, but I don't agree with the preorder.
Never did I say that I would preorder the game, nor do I ever tell anyone to preorder ANY game, MMO or Single Player. I just don't think it is a good idea, no matter how good the game is unless you are sure you can get your deposit back. I haven't and will not preorder SWTOR or GW2 eventhough I am almost certain that these games will keep me entertained for more than a few months.
The point I was presenting is, there are many details of this game that people aren't aware of, and even less aware of if they haven't been following this game at all. I could say the same for those following games like GW2 and SWTOR, especially for posters on this site. So perhaps theres still some information that is not known, but theres also a good chance that the information I've seen and heard about influences my decision in a different way.
My decision is based only on my opinions from the information I've seen. Its not based on the information thats not there. Thats what I'm trying to point out that everyone is dismissing. I can't tell you what SOE isn't telling us, but I can tell you that what they have told us and shown us in interviews, at gameshows, and comiccons does have me intrigued enough to play the game.
As launch approaches, roughly 2 weeks I'd say, I'll be looking forward to more information on an open beta of sorts. If there is NO open beta, which I think is detrimental to server stability, I would probably be concerned enough to lay off the game for another week after launch until I hear some solid feedback.
Being interested and excited about the game does not equal being naive in MMO launches, all it equals is interest and excitement. People can still be optimistic towards a launch with or without loads of information, and still make a good decision. (whatever "good decision" may mean to them). I know that no matter what I do, whether I play the game in OB and end up passing on the title, or not play open beta because there wasn't one and still buy the game on launch, I'll have done so because of my decision and I can live with that.
I'm going to preface this by saying I'm a big comic book fan, and have been extremely excited about this game since it weas announced. Certainly everyone should make their own decision whether to buy the game. Personally I also applaud your stance against pre-ordering games in general. However you seem to be missing the points that others have raised.
As far as any beta is concerned, I don't have a lot of hope there either. At this point I doubt we'll see more then a "stress test" as opposed to an actual beta test. You stated above you think they'll announce a beta in about two weeks. That leaves about 3 weeks until launch. Subtract at least one week for the game to go gold and be distibuted. That only leaves 2 weeks to address any bugs found in a real beta test.
While I agree with your stance on pre-ordering (tho I have in the past), I assure you game companies do not. They want as many pre-orders as possible and value them enough to offer special incentives to get people to do so. And compared to the masjority of MMO 's released in the past Sone has released VERY little factual information about this game. In terms of previous MMO's two trends come into play here. The more information about a game that is released the more confident people feel about pre-ordering. Second, games that have as little information released pre-launch as DCUO appears headed for have done poorly as frequently the companies are trying to hide problems or lack of content that will turn customers off. Indeed in the case of anyone looking at the PC version of this game such as myself, Sony is literally prohibiting me from pre-ordering the game, as they have not released system specs. I'm certainly not going to buy something if I don't even know if I can use it.
As far as people being excited and optimistic about this launch, the problem is Sony has given us real, concrete reasons to not be optimistic.
I think we'll see an open beta 2 weeks before launch. The system specs for the PC are as stated the same minimum requirements needed to run Unreal Engine 3. thats an actual developer quote, so if you can run Unreal 3 Engine, you can run on the minimum requirements.
Hey, I think the way they released information is terrible, I won't deny that. I think those that are truly interested in finding information on this game can find it, but I don't think SOE did a great job at combining it as much of the information was given through social networking (blech). A lot of games are going this route now.
Never did I say that I would preorder the game, nor do I ever tell anyone to preorder ANY game, MMO or Single Player. I just don't think it is a good idea, no matter how good the game is unless you are sure you can get your deposit back. I haven't and will not preorder SWTOR or GW2 eventhough I am almost certain that these games will keep me entertained for more than a few months.
So, then you agree with my advice to the OP that he should cancel his pre-order?
Absolutely I never agree with tying your money up in something like an MMO or a game when things like Launch date and build, changes so frequently before launch. If you're going to buy the game, buy it on release. Many people put up preorder money to get into beta early, then turn around and complain that they spent all this money and didn't like the BETA. Then they complain that they are having a hard time getting their money back. If you can't get your money back on the preorder and you know you can't, don't preorder. Its just a bad decision. If you're a gamer who can't live with decisions good or bad, then you should just steer clear of ever preordering.
Still, I think that the OP can be optimistic about the game, but I don't agree with the preorder.
You know, I've only been advising waiting a week to a month after release to get some solid info on the game. I wasn't saying write it off and forget about it. While I did give reasons to not expect much, I am always an advocate of checking one's theories.
Never did I say that I would preorder the game, nor do I ever tell anyone to preorder ANY game, MMO or Single Player. I just don't think it is a good idea, no matter how good the game is unless you are sure you can get your deposit back. I haven't and will not preorder SWTOR or GW2 eventhough I am almost certain that these games will keep me entertained for more than a few months.
So, then you agree with my advice to the OP that he should cancel his pre-order?
Absolutely I never agree with tying your money up in something like an MMO or a game when things like Launch date and build, changes so frequently before launch. If you're going to buy the game, buy it on release. Many people put up preorder money to get into beta early, then turn around and complain that they spent all this money and didn't like the BETA. Then they complain that they are having a hard time getting their money back. If you can't get your money back on the preorder and you know you can't, don't preorder. Its just a bad decision. If you're a gamer who can't live with decisions good or bad, then you should just steer clear of ever preordering.
Still, I think that the OP can be optimistic about the game, but I don't agree with the preorder.
You know, I've only been advising waiting a week to a month after release to get some solid info on the game. I wasn't saying write it off and forget about it. While I did give reasons to not expect much, I am always an advocate of checking one's theories.
I know that it always seems like we're butting heads, I just think over some topics we have very different views. I know that in some aspects we have the same core views, and sometimes part of me just feels the need to play devils advocate. I would like to see more information, but I don't think more or less information will necessarily make the game better or worse.
We've seen games with lots of information released and it actually ended up hurting the game more then it helped. Now we have a number of MMOs withholding a lot of information until everything is solid and working in the game. Now theres SOE that doesn't see to follow either of those molds. Not just that, but we have the Agency just around the corner.. launching in.. what, 3 or 4 months after DCUO? I'd dare say we have even LESS information about that game.
I think the condition of DCUO will be very telling for the Agency, much like how CO was for STO. I can only hope SOE has learned a thing or two from cryptic. Cryptic however, was one of those companies that not only had a P2P Beta, but they also flat out lied in a number of their interviews. Looks like I'll have to wait and see with DCUO though. When they talk about the game and show it off, it sure looks like it will be a blast.
I'd cancel your pre-order. MMOs like this are always awful. They haven't even done a beta yet, and betas really are needed to ensure quality. Sadly, it looks like this game is going to be a total dud.
Worst case, if it turns out to be good (an almost impossible occurance at this point) you can go buy it at a store right away.
It's in closed beta, everything you've said is just guesswork.
"Guesswork" based off everyone MMO that's been released since WoW.
Betting on DCUO being a good game is just a bad idea. You should play it safe. The fact you don't have an argument on why we should expect DCUO to be good is evidence of that. Bad MMOs don't need to be given anymore money.
This is your opinion, plenty of good games have came out that many people find that are good, and way better than WOW... I myself think WOW is trash and YES I played it..
Just because a game has alot of subs doesnt mean its the best game out there... That just means people like easy hand holding games and are lazy , because thats WOW, look at WOW's cone Rune of magic same game . but F2P and has alot of subs, and easy as hell. I rest my case...
Some gamers can't handle a challenge that rather cheat or have it easy, because thats how some of you kids play these days, and then you ruin games , look how fast you ruined APB, worst community ever... Decent game but cheaters and mouthy kids ruined in faster than anything.
Any gamer worth anything stayed away from that game once they seen how bad people where in that game... It was not the game.. People ruin games every day..
well this really isn't news in the business of not giving a lot of details and then deciding to "dump" a ton of stuff on people as the game ramps up to going live.. but I agree in spirit with some of the others here about the lack of info being a possible "red flag" if you will of a game maybe not going as well as hoped... still, as always, its a waiting game and if you are looking forward to this game, your patience will eventually be rewarded.
I do want to try out DCUO.. and I will if I get into BETA... but for me, DCUO has a very high bar to reach... after being in BETA for COH and playing it for six years... it will be a very high standard for DCUO to prove its worth.. COH is and remains my favorite MMO of all time so, expectations may be too much for the denizens of the DC Universe to overcome.. we shall see..
I most certainly expect a ton of info to start coming down the pipe very soon now that October is here... I am anxious to see what that info is so I can indeed make a better informed opinion of the game.
This is your opinion, plenty of good games have came out that many people find that are good, and way better than WOW... I myself think WOW is trash and YES I played it..
Just because a game has alot of subs doesnt mean its the best game out there... That just means people like easy hand holding games and are lazy , because thats WOW, look at WOW's cone Rune of magic same game . but F2P and has alot of subs, and easy as hell. I rest my case...
Some gamers can't handle a challenge that rather cheat or have it easy, because thats how some of you kids play these days, and then you ruin games , look how fast you ruined APB, worst community ever... Decent game but cheaters and mouthy kids ruined in faster than anything.
Any gamer worth anything stayed away from that game once they seen how bad people where in that game... It was not the game.. People ruin games every day..
Gotta disagree with you. Aside from the occasional indie game, companies (big ones anyway) make games for one reason: to make money. Now I'm old school myself and don't like a lot of hand holding in my games, but all your complaints about that in WoW have nothing to do with how "good" the game is: you just don't like the style. There is a difference between a game (or movie or book) that is in a style you don't prefer and one that is poorly executed. WoW is a well made game that achieves it's goal: to make money.
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They are suppose to be revealing the character creation at NYCC. So I hope that INCLUDES powers/sets. If it does that will be all the info i need to make my mind up.
Never did I say that I would preorder the game, nor do I ever tell anyone to preorder ANY game, MMO or Single Player. I just don't think it is a good idea, no matter how good the game is unless you are sure you can get your deposit back. I haven't and will not preorder SWTOR or GW2 eventhough I am almost certain that these games will keep me entertained for more than a few months.
The point I was presenting is, there are many details of this game that people aren't aware of, and even less aware of if they haven't been following this game at all. I could say the same for those following games like GW2 and SWTOR, especially for posters on this site. So perhaps theres still some information that is not known, but theres also a good chance that the information I've seen and heard about influences my decision in a different way.
My decision is based only on my opinions from the information I've seen. Its not based on the information thats not there. Thats what I'm trying to point out that everyone is dismissing. I can't tell you what SOE isn't telling us, but I can tell you that what they have told us and shown us in interviews, at gameshows, and comiccons does have me intrigued enough to play the game.
As launch approaches, roughly 2 weeks I'd say, I'll be looking forward to more information on an open beta of sorts. If there is NO open beta, which I think is detrimental to server stability, I would probably be concerned enough to lay off the game for another week after launch until I hear some solid feedback.
Being interested and excited about the game does not equal being naive in MMO launches, all it equals is interest and excitement. People can still be optimistic towards a launch with or without loads of information, and still make a good decision. (whatever "good decision" may mean to them). I know that no matter what I do, whether I play the game in OB and end up passing on the title, or not play open beta because there wasn't one and still buy the game on launch, I'll have done so because of my decision and I can live with that.
I'm going to preface this by saying I'm a big comic book fan, and have been extremely excited about this game since it weas announced. Certainly everyone should make their own decision whether to buy the game. Personally I also applaud your stance against pre-ordering games in general. However you seem to be missing the points that others have raised.
As far as any beta is concerned, I don't have a lot of hope there either. At this point I doubt we'll see more then a "stress test" as opposed to an actual beta test. You stated above you think they'll announce a beta in about two weeks. That leaves about 3 weeks until launch. Subtract at least one week for the game to go gold and be distibuted. That only leaves 2 weeks to address any bugs found in a real beta test.
While I agree with your stance on pre-ordering (tho I have in the past), I assure you game companies do not. They want as many pre-orders as possible and value them enough to offer special incentives to get people to do so. And compared to the masjority of MMO 's released in the past Sone has released VERY little factual information about this game. In terms of previous MMO's two trends come into play here. The more information about a game that is released the more confident people feel about pre-ordering. Second, games that have as little information released pre-launch as DCUO appears headed for have done poorly as frequently the companies are trying to hide problems or lack of content that will turn customers off. Indeed in the case of anyone looking at the PC version of this game such as myself, Sony is literally prohibiting me from pre-ordering the game, as they have not released system specs. I'm certainly not going to buy something if I don't even know if I can use it.
As far as people being excited and optimistic about this launch, the problem is Sony has given us real, concrete reasons to not be optimistic.
I think we'll see an open beta 2 weeks before launch. The system specs for the PC are as stated the same minimum requirements needed to run Unreal Engine 3. thats an actual developer quote, so if you can run Unreal 3 Engine, you can run on the minimum requirements.
Hey, I think the way they released information is terrible, I won't deny that. I think those that are truly interested in finding information on this game can find it, but I don't think SOE did a great job at combining it as much of the information was given through social networking (blech). A lot of games are going this route now.
Yeah the information flow for this game is pretty bad it doesn't do much in the way of advertising it seems, if you don't take a high interest and seek out info it doesn't seem easy to come by.
While I enjoy forums I don't tend to hang onto the dev process of any game, I just feel I have a few too many other interests to dedicate that extra time when considering how much time the company is going to get when the game releases.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
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It's a bit unfair to say that MMO's like this are always afwul. There are only 2 of them on the market both developed by Cryptic.
City of Heroes whilst it had a few problems at the start is a fantastic game and something Cryptic will be (and should be) proud of. Champions Online on the other hand was terrible from the start in it's execution. As it stands games of the superhero genre are 50/50 good and bad, to base it off anything other than that is just hyperbole.
Healthy skepticism based on what? Others perceived notions of what this game will not accomplish? What an unrealistic biased response. I've stated it before and I'll do it again, based on the information I have, I think the game looks good. What others don't know about the game isn't my problem, I'm not here to decide if the game is good for you or Drachasor. But as Drachasor stated before there are plenty of games he thought "failed" that I did not.
This isn't a "my opinions right yours is wrong" situation, there is no right or wrong. Looking over sites like http://www.dcuosource.com/ that goes over the information and puts it into a place that is easy to see for all interested parties seems to be the norm nowadays.
Now again, because my questions were bypassed, where is the line here? What amount of information are you looking for that you haven't seen that would suddenly change your mind? I don't think the lack of information makes a game any worse or any better. In fact, information has NO bearing on how the game plays at all, just how high that little hype meter goes.
Now, I didn't say that this game would be the next best thing since sliced bread, and I didn't say I wouldn't try it in OB if I had the chance, but I did say I'm looking forward to the game and I'm considering buying it. My interest in the game is for my own reasons based on the information I've SEEN, not the information I haven't which again, makes no sense because I can't base what I know off of what I don't.
So WHAT features haven't you seen that makes you dislike the game?
Come on. You go to that website and even the "basics" are filled with incomplete lists of what is in the game. They have to resort to grabbing stuff from various interviews because there's no better source. That's not the sort of thing that screams out "this game is good and ready to go in a month" at all. Quite the opposite, in fact.
It's not about disliking or liking the game, per se. It's about seeing how all the information on it is far, far from complete and realizing that this is a warning sign of an incomplete or otherwise problematic game. It's taking that and realizing that pre-ordering isn't a great idea and one should wait a week or more after release to see what people are saying about it.
Frankly, I've never seen an MMO released with this level of information that was good. They should be hyping this game up right now and talking about all of its features. I WOULD be surprised if this game was good, but honestly it is all about being properly cautious.
Being cautious and being pessimistic are two different things and I don't think many people on this site know the difference. Plus, skirting the question entirely is another good way to dismiss the entirety of the points it represents.
Never did I say that I would preorder the game, nor do I ever tell anyone to preorder ANY game, MMO or Single Player. I just don't think it is a good idea, no matter how good the game is unless you are sure you can get your deposit back. I haven't and will not preorder SWTOR or GW2 eventhough I am almost certain that these games will keep me entertained for more than a few months.
The point I was presenting is, there are many details of this game that people aren't aware of, and even less aware of if they haven't been following this game at all. I could say the same for those following games like GW2 and SWTOR, especially for posters on this site. So perhaps theres still some information that is not known, but theres also a good chance that the information I've seen and heard about influences my decision in a different way.
My decision is based only on my opinions from the information I've seen. Its not based on the information thats not there. Thats what I'm trying to point out that everyone is dismissing. I can't tell you what SOE isn't telling us, but I can tell you that what they have told us and shown us in interviews, at gameshows, and comiccons does have me intrigued enough to play the game.
As launch approaches, roughly 2 weeks I'd say, I'll be looking forward to more information on an open beta of sorts. If there is NO open beta, which I think is detrimental to server stability, I would probably be concerned enough to lay off the game for another week after launch until I hear some solid feedback.
Being interested and excited about the game does not equal being naive in MMO launches, all it equals is interest and excitement. People can still be optimistic towards a launch with or without loads of information, and still make a good decision. (whatever "good decision" may mean to them). I know that no matter what I do, whether I play the game in OB and end up passing on the title, or not play open beta because there wasn't one and still buy the game on launch, I'll have done so because of my decision and I can live with that.
I'm going to preface this by saying I'm a big comic book fan, and have been extremely excited about this game since it weas announced. Certainly everyone should make their own decision whether to buy the game. Personally I also applaud your stance against pre-ordering games in general. However you seem to be missing the points that others have raised.
As far as any beta is concerned, I don't have a lot of hope there either. At this point I doubt we'll see more then a "stress test" as opposed to an actual beta test. You stated above you think they'll announce a beta in about two weeks. That leaves about 3 weeks until launch. Subtract at least one week for the game to go gold and be distibuted. That only leaves 2 weeks to address any bugs found in a real beta test.
While I agree with your stance on pre-ordering (tho I have in the past), I assure you game companies do not. They want as many pre-orders as possible and value them enough to offer special incentives to get people to do so. And compared to the masjority of MMO 's released in the past Sone has released VERY little factual information about this game. In terms of previous MMO's two trends come into play here. The more information about a game that is released the more confident people feel about pre-ordering. Second, games that have as little information released pre-launch as DCUO appears headed for have done poorly as frequently the companies are trying to hide problems or lack of content that will turn customers off. Indeed in the case of anyone looking at the PC version of this game such as myself, Sony is literally prohibiting me from pre-ordering the game, as they have not released system specs. I'm certainly not going to buy something if I don't even know if I can use it.
As far as people being excited and optimistic about this launch, the problem is Sony has given us real, concrete reasons to not be optimistic.
The Moving Finger writes, and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
~Omar Khayyam
So, then you agree with my advice to the OP that he should cancel his pre-order?
Absolutely I never agree with tying your money up in something like an MMO or a game when things like Launch date and build, changes so frequently before launch. If you're going to buy the game, buy it on release. Many people put up preorder money to get into beta early, then turn around and complain that they spent all this money and didn't like the BETA. Then they complain that they are having a hard time getting their money back. If you can't get your money back on the preorder and you know you can't, don't preorder. Its just a bad decision. If you're a gamer who can't live with decisions good or bad, then you should just steer clear of ever preordering.
Still, I think that the OP can be optimistic about the game, but I don't agree with the preorder.
I think we'll see an open beta 2 weeks before launch. The system specs for the PC are as stated the same minimum requirements needed to run Unreal Engine 3. thats an actual developer quote, so if you can run Unreal 3 Engine, you can run on the minimum requirements.
Hey, I think the way they released information is terrible, I won't deny that. I think those that are truly interested in finding information on this game can find it, but I don't think SOE did a great job at combining it as much of the information was given through social networking (blech). A lot of games are going this route now.
You know, I've only been advising waiting a week to a month after release to get some solid info on the game. I wasn't saying write it off and forget about it. While I did give reasons to not expect much, I am always an advocate of checking one's theories.
I know that it always seems like we're butting heads, I just think over some topics we have very different views. I know that in some aspects we have the same core views, and sometimes part of me just feels the need to play devils advocate. I would like to see more information, but I don't think more or less information will necessarily make the game better or worse.
We've seen games with lots of information released and it actually ended up hurting the game more then it helped. Now we have a number of MMOs withholding a lot of information until everything is solid and working in the game. Now theres SOE that doesn't see to follow either of those molds. Not just that, but we have the Agency just around the corner.. launching in.. what, 3 or 4 months after DCUO? I'd dare say we have even LESS information about that game.
I think the condition of DCUO will be very telling for the Agency, much like how CO was for STO. I can only hope SOE has learned a thing or two from cryptic. Cryptic however, was one of those companies that not only had a P2P Beta, but they also flat out lied in a number of their interviews. Looks like I'll have to wait and see with DCUO though. When they talk about the game and show it off, it sure looks like it will be a blast.
the tactic now is keep their mouth shut and make some money off of the boxes and dont let anyone know how bad the game is.
You can follow regular vids on Facebook, they tend to answer some of the questions from people. Yes, but a source of my favourite, but it is there.
This is your opinion, plenty of good games have came out that many people find that are good, and way better than WOW... I myself think WOW is trash and YES I played it..
Just because a game has alot of subs doesnt mean its the best game out there... That just means people like easy hand holding games and are lazy , because thats WOW, look at WOW's cone Rune of magic same game . but F2P and has alot of subs, and easy as hell. I rest my case...
Some gamers can't handle a challenge that rather cheat or have it easy, because thats how some of you kids play these days, and then you ruin games , look how fast you ruined APB, worst community ever... Decent game but cheaters and mouthy kids ruined in faster than anything.
Any gamer worth anything stayed away from that game once they seen how bad people where in that game... It was not the game.. People ruin games every day..
well this really isn't news in the business of not giving a lot of details and then deciding to "dump" a ton of stuff on people as the game ramps up to going live.. but I agree in spirit with some of the others here about the lack of info being a possible "red flag" if you will of a game maybe not going as well as hoped... still, as always, its a waiting game and if you are looking forward to this game, your patience will eventually be rewarded.
I do want to try out DCUO.. and I will if I get into BETA... but for me, DCUO has a very high bar to reach... after being in BETA for COH and playing it for six years... it will be a very high standard for DCUO to prove its worth.. COH is and remains my favorite MMO of all time so, expectations may be too much for the denizens of the DC Universe to overcome.. we shall see..
I most certainly expect a ton of info to start coming down the pipe very soon now that October is here... I am anxious to see what that info is so I can indeed make a better informed opinion of the game.
Gotta disagree with you. Aside from the occasional indie game, companies (big ones anyway) make games for one reason: to make money. Now I'm old school myself and don't like a lot of hand holding in my games, but all your complaints about that in WoW have nothing to do with how "good" the game is: you just don't like the style. There is a difference between a game (or movie or book) that is in a style you don't prefer and one that is poorly executed. WoW is a well made game that achieves it's goal: to make money.
The Moving Finger writes, and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
~Omar Khayyam
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/350/feature/4583/DC-Universe-Online-Lex-Luthor-NY-Comic-Con-QA.html
They are suppose to be revealing the character creation at NYCC. So I hope that INCLUDES powers/sets. If it does that will be all the info i need to make my mind up.
Yeah the information flow for this game is pretty bad it doesn't do much in the way of advertising it seems, if you don't take a high interest and seek out info it doesn't seem easy to come by.
While I enjoy forums I don't tend to hang onto the dev process of any game, I just feel I have a few too many other interests to dedicate that extra time when considering how much time the company is going to get when the game releases.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
System Requirements
System requirements subject to change as the game progresses and you may need to upgrade your current system (or obtain a new system) to play the game over its lifetime.
Required Specs:
* Windows XP 32-bit
* 2.4+ GHZ Dual Core Processor
* 2 GB RAM
* NVIDIA 7800 GTX+ or ATI x1500+ Video Card
* 30 GB of Free Hard Drive Space
Recommended Specs:
* Windows XP 32-bit
* 3.0 GHZ Dual Core Processor
* 2 GB RAM
* NVIDIA 8800GTX+ or ATI 3800 series+ Video Card
* 30 GB of Free Hard Drive Space
* Audio - on Board