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"PvE Carebears"?
I have been playing Aion since about launch now. I have been off and then back on again. I have to say initially I really absolutely loved the game but then all the people I used to play with left and so I had to look for a legion all over again but never really found one anywhere near as good as my old one.
After I took a break for a few months and came back to Aion, I realised I was running behind since everybody had Fenris gear and since I didn't, it would be almost impossible to get a group to do anything. And even if I did get a group, I was told to go and get better gear. The problem with that is, how do I get better gear when I can't do any boss runs to get better gear because nobody wants to group with me. Abyss gear I couldn't get either, because I have "crappy" gear I hardly win any PvP battles anymore. Seriously I'm a level 50 Gladiator with a level 43 Betonis polearm.
Speaking of Betonis, people actually started calling me: "Hey you! Betonis, go get some better gear!" And not necessarily in those words.
I accepted that since I know most people get their legion to help them and since I couldn't find a legion, that was populated or helpful enough, I wouldn't be able to get help with that. So solo grind it is (before 2.0)
However the more and more time went past, the more I came across people that started to think they are "gods" of the game, they "OWN" the game. People calling me a PvE carebear and why? because I didn't have Abyss gear. Don't get me wrong I love PvP, I just don't do it when I know I am definitely losing because I have crap gear. (Unless it's Dredgion a good group makes up for my lack of gear.) In order to get PvP gear you have to start off with PvE. However these people seem to think PvE = for losers.....
Day by day I started losing interest in the game and not because of the game but because of the community. 2.0 is great and made my life a lot easier but again the problem is the community.
What is up with the people that think they are all that because they have the best gear? And so what if I like PvE? The game is a PvPvE and what makes one better than the other? It's a preference of playstyle for god sake. It's an option. Playing PvP doesn't make you more elite than a person playing PvE. I especially used to get pissed off when a Twink calls me a PvE carebear, because the only reason they like to twink is because they get loads of AP when they kill a higher level but if they get killed from a higher level character they hardly lose any. That's called 'easy mode' PvP. Anyway, I don't care because I have to admit that would be great fun to do that since it will be easier to get PvP gear and I don't have a problem with that. BUT I do have a problem with it, when they think they are "elite" as they call it and I'm a "noob" because they PvP more and have better gear.
Twinks are basically Mid Range level characters that have Top of the range gear of that level and have it fully enchanted and max socketed (in case you didn't know).
I have a fulltime job and I am married and have a 2 year old, I don't get as much time playing an MMO as an average player but I still do it because I enjoy it. That enjoyment is becoming less though thanks to the retarted community. What happened to manners? I swear I still can't believe the amount idiots that I come across playing an MMO (except for Guildwars for some strange reason). Really, they started swearing and everything over the smallest things. They don't bother thanking when you have helped or they leave the group without uttering a word or just say: "You're all F****NG noobs!" and then leaves.
MMO is all about people playing together, what's up with the hate and lack of social skills? I'm either playing the wrong games (WoW has the same problem) or that's just what the MMO community is like these days... If I had more time I would have created my own legion and filtered out the bastards and would have done my best to give the best game experience for my legion. Alas I don't have more time and my wife and daughter come first.
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It works both ways, many people seem to think every pvper is akin to a child molester.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Twinks made leveling my characters a living hell.
People flaming on the forums now about
"Oh if you got ganked goto a new area" - Yeah you goto a new area and guess what! MORE TWINKS!
Since 2.0 it's been alot easier, although I dont agree with nerfing rifting I would have prefered some choice buff you have too purchase with kinah everytime you died from mobs or something "This would have stopped bots and people who want too pvp from being protected.
But it has helped me alot, I play Templar so yeah fighting a twinked out character isn't fun for me.
I'm playing on Perento and I cant say the community is as bad as you're saying, you have some douchey Knobheads who are on their High Horse but nothing more then that.
The problem is your maturity level is substantially higher than the average Aion player. Unless you have a friend or group of people to play with that are relative to your maturity level, you have already seen the result.
exactly why they should have had at least one PVE server.
Now they are nerfing all the pvp or rifting in the game. Hey, some people actually liked it. I got ganked alot of times, but it was all my hard work paid off when I was finally able to kill the rifters. I had a blast in that game, but hey I love pvp.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Unfortionately MMOs are full of douchebags with very little in their lives other then video games. Its the sad truth but I've learned to look past them and avoid them at all costs. The first thing I do when I join a new guild is watch for any loud mouth kids or tough guys with big pixelated egos. I /quit if I find a single one.
My suggestion to you is forget about what other people think or say. 99% of em are morons with no real life goals. Keep on playing and enjoy the ride because it wont last forever unfortionately.
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
It is a shame - similar thing happening to FF14 right now too. It's very social dependent and forumer’s use that as a hit against it. "I can't craft my own stuff without leveling 4 other crafting classes WTF!?" (staying away from other complaints valid or otherwise)
I have been really confused with what anyone wants in a MMO for quite a while now.
You can't please anyone, games are destroyed by the community before it even hits launch. FF14 tries something different and it's a disaster - I mean character development not the UI/UX, which has valid concerns.
Massively Multiplayer Online... RPG. What people want ORPG I guess, and why not when you have crap like Gearscore causing segregation. Self-centered over entitled kids (and adults) dropping when they get their 10 kills leaving you. Used to be once in a while someone would do that. Now... it's the norm. PUG's are terrible now. In the beginning a PUG might be difficult but not because a person was. It was simply that players were not certain of everyone's ability, playstyle, leadership, etc... but no one was rude about it we stumbled through, and had a good time.
Maybe we all just want to be people watchers in a park when we play Online games. Be alone but not by yourself.
I think Developers are going to give up on what we might consider Triple A titles and go the road of Popcorn MMO's - Free Realms, and whatever F2P is out right now.
I liked Aion for quite a while too - same thing started to happen to me around level 30. I didn't have the time to stay "in the ranks" so to speak.
I'm glad to see i'm not the only one that feels that is a problem. Well thanks for the tips, I guess there is not much else to do besides keep looking for the right legion/guild.
I wouldn't worry about them calling you carebear. Anyone with an active brain cell will tell you there is no PvP in Aion, it's all about GvG (Gear vs Gear).
Anyone can get the gear in this game, it's just a matter of time and interest. You don't want the pvp gear? Fine, I know I don't either. You just need a good legion with mature people.
When you have enough gear you can usually 1-3 shot anyone from bad to good gears. The gap between the high end gear and the rest is just ridiculously too big.
The carebears are the one that were gearing up on people 10 levels below them, killing newcomers repeatedly over and over until NCSoft had enough and killed the rifting system. Those guys wanted the ultimate gear so that the outcome of any pvp encounter would be a victory.
Well said. I have always regarded the term "carebear" as being wrongly applied to those who only want to PvP (if at all, and there's no shame in looking for co-operative play rather than confrontational play) on a level playing field.
The true carebears are indeed those who will only engage in PvP if it is against much lower levelled players and then as often as not only if their "m8's" are with them!
I might well be interested in trying Aion out if there was a PvE server in which I could still enjoy consensual PvP if I wanted it, but not be forced into being ganked by players at least 40 years younger than me for no meaningful purpose whatsoever! Meanwhile the game is a total turn-off for me.
Recently after taking a break from MMORPG I have realised that this constant keeping up with the Jonases is no fun at all. I know that you get that human interaction but when you have a family , limited time and you get into a game late or even if not late just don't have a lot of time to play you are better off playing a single player game like Mass Effect.
I have been playing these games ever since Everquest but this constant search for better items and having to get others to help is a whole lot of chore in itself. I know the human factor is very important but even that after recently playing WoW and in those dungeon finder groups I have come to the conclusion that AI has better and more intelligent companions. I am not totally giving up on MMORPG but am going to try to find some that do not place all the emphasis on gear acquisition. There has to seriously be more to these games than loot.
Since 2.0 PVP is pretty much non-existent thus gear (especially AP gear) doesnt matter so much.
The gladiator class however is the most gear dependant class in Aion - trying to heal an under geared glad especially when they are tanking is a nightmare and the lower DPS from lack of gear results in high DPS classes such as rangers/sins and even healers constantly drawing aggro. Not fun.
There is however quite a bias against both glads and spiritmasters in Aion. I've seen many a post in LFG specify "NO GLADs/SM" etc. Also not fun.
Same reason I recently ended my sub tbh
No pvp based game should ever be this gear dependent.
Casual player due to family and RL so the shoulder part of fenri's alone would take me a month of play now add another say 2 month for the other parts so on top of my 5 month already played to hit 55 i was going to need another 3 month before i could even compete in PVP (and I mean compete)
If only there was more instances like dredgion because group pvp was the only place and with great skill that undergeared players could actually beat facerollers.
Sad as Aion is a good looking good mechanic'd game just gear v gear isnt really my thing i suspect pre-cu SWG spoiled me by the simple fact you go get buffed throw on any crafter made armour and grab any crafter made weapon and be competetive sure you could opt to slot your armour with things that gave +20 health for an extra 200 health total or get a krayt tissue crafted weapon but these thing where just "nice to haves" not "must haves"
Essentially you could be competitive against the big boys within a few days and it all came down to skill knowing your template and your opponents template but with 32 profs to mix and match that wasnt always that easy and created the odd nice surprises like when a guy KD'd me and then got out a slitherhorn and started to play a tune until i got back up and went back to fighting
What people, especially pvp fans, fail to understand is that what sells is the PvE. Just compare the top subscription games out there and compare the sub numbers of pve vs pvp games. The only game that efectively maintains a good sub number and focus on pvp is eve online, and that is because it's a space themed game, wich has no competition on the market whatsoever.
Im glad Aion turned its focus to PvE and this will surely increase it's population, it has already, and thats whats important to both the companies and the players who like the gamenfor what it is, and not for what they want it to be.
To turn the focus to PvE was not a mistake they made, it was their exact intention. Think on that Aion Vision trailer, what have we seen? More world bosses, swimming and underwater areas, mounts, minipets, player housing, many more quests, increased quest and mob experience, etc etc etc.
Aren't this PvE features? What are you PvP guys still expecting?
Is the game more pve carebear after 2.0? Yes it is
Will it help the game increase its market and stay around stronger and longer? For sure it will
nope wrong
the most gear dependent class in the game is a sin.
The reason some ppl try to avoid glads and SM's in groups is becuase they had to many glads that simply would not listen to "NO AOA" and SM's who keep their pets up 24/7 pulling aggro.
coincidently i had such a run yesterday with 2 glads in the group.one listened after the fifth time ,the other kept popping AOA as if it was going out of style soonm constantly hitting sleepers utill the end of the run simply not listening or to stoopid to remember wich button NOT to press
If you play your class well you get a reputation and you will be invited into groups no matter what.
The elitism initself is unfortunately something that seems to pop up in several games (even non PvP ones) nowadays. It is very obvious in EQ2 and I hear you can find it in WoW too. Personally I just started to play Aion after 2.0 and so far I am having a blast and I will not worry about the 50 + PvP, I have played on EQ2s PvP server Nagafen (also very gear dependent game) but there it seems that PvP gear was easier to get. I do not know how to counteract gear elitism ut it is really aggravating to hear "you can not get a group for ABC dungeon because you gear sucks" "and how will I get the good gear then?" "You have to grind ABC dungeon of course!" "But?....."
Maybe if casual players actually started to create actual "Casual guilds" that concentrates on grouping and doing things togheter in a inclusionary way? Now that will be a tough challenge to pull offand it will not be for everyone, as of now casual players seems to solo a lot and be angry that they can not get into soandso instance and at the same time be to insecure to themselves create a group for the instance (I have fallen into that mindset myself several times).
I am very well aware that Aion is very gear centric but on the other hands it seems like you can grind for equipment and that is something I have no problem with (and I will move on when it is not funny anymore). I actually think the system EQ2 has where leveling and getting good gear are two totally different paths is a much worse solution.
Hopefully NC soft continues the trend of improving the PvE aspects of Aion and maybe in the long run opens up new ways of getting PvP gear. I firmly believe that the last years trends of "PvP in every game" was a huge mistake and that we will se other games move away from the PvP focus, as far as I understand and see it the PvP crowd has never been that large, the majority of subscribers to most games (except games like Darkfall and such of course) are PvE players, of course it hurts if you are into PvP when games are moving away from something you like but MMOs is a business like everything else, and if the customers are leaving the business has to change its focus.
I leave you with Ferrels amazingly funny flowchart:
http://www.epicslant.com/2010/09/a-pvprvr-mmorpg-players-life-cycle/#more-2787
Chi puo dir com'egli arde é in picciol fuoco.
He who can describe the flame does not burn.
Petrarch
That same trailer also showed players attacking player build cities.To add to that they added the ground abyss wich is the biggest content addition to the game and built soley for PvP.They made it more PvE and solo friendly but the gme still ends and stands on PvP like it always has.
they went overboard with the rift debuff but im pretty sure that part will get revised soon enough since they completly broke a big part of their own game,even a lot of quest are almost impossible to complete becasue of it.
All I ever see in LFG is name calling and flaming, nothing that remotely resembles an intellectual conversation. When they did the server merge, they should of separated the adults and infants. :]
Heh not played a Sin but I'd imagine they are pretty gear dependant too
Reputation is only part of the picture though - the 2.0 content and changes are not friendly to SMs at all and little if anything was done to their skills to help them adapt. With the SM the least played class in Korea I don't think much will change soon either.
No matter what MMO you play, elitism exhists...I too have 2 kids, a wife, a full-time job and a band that does about 3 shows a month. I get on Aion just to have fun and dont really want to be bothered with all the gear talk and all that. But any MMO I play I've always done and extremely thorough search for "social guilds" where nothing is required of you and nobody thinks or cares if they are better than you or more geared.
I think I've actually found that legion in Aion but still testing the waters...I might get on 2 times a week, but that is something I tell guilds/legions prior to asking for an invite. I also let them know that Im a PVE minded person and don't really care for PVP much at all.
So basically, just look for the right legion and take your time doing it. Then always let them know the kind of player you are and how much time you're willing to invest in the game. It goes a long way.
In the end, it's still not right of anyone to go "elitist" on anyone in a game (a game was always made for people to have fun, not to compete), but keep in mind that these "elitist" are bragging and stomping on your face because they have nothing better to do than spend everyday on their computer playing a game. It's their life, but it's not mine, so I really dont care what they say...I kinda feel sorry for them....