Mortal Online Still Isn't Good.

Renoaku · October 2010

Okay so my last comment was deleted because someone reported it for topic hijacking. Anyways.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/361/view/forums/thread/294278/MORTAL-ONLINE-NEW-BUILD-RELEASE-NOTES-FOR-11-OCTOBER.html

The Patch notes still do not specify any really good improvements or changes to the game. The game itself really sucked badly when I played it I played for 3 days Max to see how it was, tried out multiple races and such.

1st. The world detail is good, not as best as it could be but okay, but the character models do suck, and are just about as good as DarkFall.

2. The game has very limited number of skills you can train, and is not like DarkFall in other words your really restricted.

3. The game itself still does not any good spell casting features from what I have read, you still have to click a number twice to cast a spell and all this, it is really boring, and really time consuming.

4. Melee Combat is about the only good feature I could find really, but if you want Melee Combat, again there is DarkFall, its much easier, doesn't have strict spell limits, and this game is just an remake of darkfall, but a lot worse game play.

5. The Race Combo system isn't that great.

Until the problems that make this game suck are actually fixed, I do not think anyone should buy this game until they offer Trails, and such for the game see if you really like it. I actually wasted around $50 I think it was, and around $75 on FFXIV recently. Both these games were Failures, worst MMO I have ever played in my life, and I do not understand how 2009/2010 companies can actually release such games like these, but off topic I think it has to do with RL Economics, and Education, and the companies wanting to cut costs, and of course the game companies who do not do what the players want.

So why waste $50 on this game, when you can get the same PVP action almost in DarkFall, or any other game which is way better at the moment, I want to see some actual patch notes which make me want to play this game compared to Patch notes that really do not do anything that useful. Also the new patch to stop cheaters, The only thing that this patch will fix is the Speed Hacking, and possibly the fall damage hack. I have seen a few hacks for this game, Hacks that allow players to see through walls, see like a very long distance where people are, aimbot and such. Those will not be detectable, and many people are subscribed to these cheat services, I can't say the names here because its not allowed, but I know two big companies that deal with these multihacks, and they were the developers of aimbots for APB which totally ruined that game.

Think this game is worth playing, I would really like to hear why, or why it sucks.

adrala · October 2010

Originally posted by Renoaku

I played for 3 days Max

You played a game for 3 days "max" and you feel competent to make a "review" of the game and actually wanr other players not to buy it?

but then I really doubt you even played thegame since you go on and say:

The game has very limited number of skills you can train, and is not like DarkFall in other words your really restricted.

Here are the skills you can train in MO:

Combat(0)

Combat Techniques(100) dex Your knowledge about combat

Unarmed Technique(50) Combat Techniques(50) Brawling(50) dex + 5% of your Dexterity to brawling damage

Defensive Stance(50) Combat Techniques(0) con -0-3 dmg and -0-5% damage taken from melee/ranged

Aggressive Stance(50) Combat Techniques(30) str +0-3 more dmg and +0-5% extra melee/ranged damage

Combat Manouvering(50) dex +0-10% stamina regain when walking in combat mode

Feint(100) Combat Manouvering(40) dex -0-10%stamina drain when swinging weapon

Blocking Endurance(100) Combat Manouvering(20) Blocking(20) con str -0-10% stamina drain when blocking

Momentum(100) Combat Manouvering(30) dex +0-10% more walk speed in combatmode

Combat Balance(100) Combat Manouvering(20) dex +5% knockback resistance when in combat mode

Combat Movement(50) Combat Manouvering(0) con +0-20% stamina regain when walking in combat mode

Blocking(50) dex str +0-25% knockdown resistance when blocking

Blocking Endurance(100) Combat Manouvering(20) Blocking(20) con str -0-10% stamina drain when blocking

Unarmed Blocking(50) Blocking(0) Brawling(0) con dex +0-30% more blocking power when unarmed

Ranged Combat(50) str dex +0-50% more damage with bows

Archery(50) Ranged Combat(0) str dex Increases the min damage you deal with bows

Mounted Archery(50) Riding(35) Archery(30) dex psy +0-50% more archery damage when mounted

Melee Combat(0) str dex Your melee combat skills

Daggers(50) Melee Combat(0) dex Increases the min damage you deal with daggers

Mounted Combat(50) Riding(25) Melee Combat(15) dex con You knowledge about melee combat from mount

Mounted Charge(50) Mounted Combat(50) dex +0-50% more velocity damage when mounted

Spears(50) Melee Combat(0) str dex Spears

Spear Stance(30) Spears(0) str dex Spears Stance

Poleaxes(50) Axes(25) Spears(35) str con Increases the min damage you deal with poleaxes

Brawling(0) Melee Combat(0) str dex +0-50% damage with your bare hands

Unarmed Technique(50) Combat Techniques(50) Brawling(50) dex + 5% of your Dexterity to brawling damage

Unarmed Blocking(50) Blocking(0) Brawling(0) con dex +0-30% more blocking power when unarmed

Axes(15) Melee Combat(0) str con Increases the min damage you deal with axes

Poleaxes(50) Axes(25) Spears(35) str con Increases the min damage you deal with poleaxes

Clubs(50) Melee Combat(0) str con Increases the min damage you deal with clubs

Swords(50) Melee Combat(0) str dex Increases the min damage you deal with swords

Movement(0)

Riding(50) dex con Riding

Controlled Riding(100) Riding(25) con -0-35% stamina drain when mounted

Swift Riding(100) Riding(25) dex +0-20% riding speed

Mounted Combat(50) Riding(25) Melee Combat(15) dex con You knowledge about melee combat from mount

Mounted Charge(50) Mounted Combat(50) dex +0-50% more velocity damage when mounted

Mounted Archery(50) Riding(35) Archery(30) dex psy +0-50% more archery damage when mounted

Endurance(50) con str +0-20 MaxStamina

Resistance Swimming(100) Endurance(0) Swimming(40) con str Gives you a boost to how much you can carry before sink under water.

Subsisting(50) Endurance(25) con psy - 0-50% mercymode time and +0-20 hp boost when you regain consciousness

Passive Regeneration(100) Endurance(0) +1-10 passive hp regeneration per minute

Active Regeneration(50) Endurance(0) Resting(30) +0-75% hp-regen when resting

Balance(100) dex con +0-5% knockback resistance

Knockback Resistance(100) Balance(0) dex str +0-5% knockback resistance

Knockdown Resistance(30) Balance(0) dex con +0-25% knockdown resistance

Agility(50) dex Gives you 20% more jump height and a 5% fall damage reduction.

Jumping(50) Agility(0) dex +0-30% jump height and 0-5% less fallingdamage

Landing Technique(50) Jumping(40) dex -0-20% fall damage

Sprinting(50) Agility(0) dex +20% speed when sprinting

Footspeed(100) Agility(0) dex con +10% movement speed when not in combat mode

Breathing Technique(100) Agility(0) con -0-10% stamina drain when sprinting in non-combat mode

Knowledge(0)

Crafting Appliances(50) int Crafting Appliances

Ore Extraction Appliances(50) Crafting Appliances(0) int Ore Extraction Appliances

Thermal Appliances(50) Ore Extraction Appliances(0) int Thermal Appliances

Kiln Operation(50) Thermal Appliances(20) int Kiln Operation

Hearth Expertise(50) Thermal Appliances(0) int Hearth Expertise

Furnace Operation(30) Thermal Appliances(30) int Furnace Operation

Blast Furnace Operation(30) Furnace Operation(40) int Blast Furnace Operation

Furnace Construction(30) Workshop Construction(40) Thermal Appliances(50) int Furnace Workshop Construction

Hydraulic Appliances(30) Ore Extraction Appliances(20) int Hydraulic Appliances

Natorus Operation(30) Hydraulic Appliances(0) int Natorus Operation

Greater Natorus Operation(30) Natorus Operation(50) int Greater Natorus Operation

Comminutors(50) Ore Extraction Appliances(0) int str Comminutors

Comminutor Construction(30) Workshop Construction(20) Comminutors(50) int Communitor Workshop Construction

Grinder Operation(50) Comminutors(0) int str Grinder Operation

Crusher Operation(50) Comminutors(0) int str Crusher Operation

Mechanical Appliances(50) Ore Extraction Appliances(0) int str Mechanical Appliances

Attractor Operation(30) Mechanical Appliances(0) int Attractor Operation

Press Operation(50) Mechanical Appliances(0) int str Press Operation

Grizzly Operation(50) Mechanical Appliances(0) int str Grizzly Operation

Butchery Appliances(50) Crafting Appliances(0) int Butchery Appliances

Butchery Construction(30) Workshop Construction(0) Butchery Appliances(50) int Butchery Workshop Construction

Butcher Workbench(50) Butchery Appliances(0) int Butcher Workbench

Alchemy Contraptions(50) Crafting Appliances(0) int Alchemy Contraptions

Fabricula Expertise(50) Alchemy Contraptions(0) int Fabricula Expertise

Thaumator Operation(30) Fabricula Expertise(60) int Thaumator Operation

Fabricula Construction(30) Workshop Construction(60) Alchemy Contraptions(50) int Fabricula Workshop Construction

Botany Appliances(50) Crafting Appliances(0) int dex Botany Appliances

Herbologium Expertise(50) Botany Appliances(0) int Herbologium Expertise

Survival(100) con You knowledge about the wilderness

Swimming(50) Survival(0) con -0-40% stamina drain

Resistance Swimming(100) Endurance(0) Swimming(40) con str Gives you a boost to how much you can carry before sink under water.

Crawling(50) Swimming(40) dex con +0-50% swimming speed

Diving(100) Swimming(25) con +0-650% more breathing time under water

Material Lore(50) int Material Lore

Metallurgy(50) Material Lore(0) int Metallurgy

Precious Metals(50) Metallurgy(25) int Precious Metals

Gold Lore(50) Precious Metals(0) int Gold Lore

Silver Lore(50) Precious Metals(0) int Silver Lore

Skadite Lore(30) Precious Metals(30) int Skadite Lore

Advanced Metals(50) Metallurgy(30) int Advanced Metals

Master Alloys(30) Metallurgy(60) Advanced Metals(50) int Master Alloys

Cronite Lore(30) Master Alloys(0) int Cronite Lore

Oghmium Lore(15) Master Alloys(40) int Oghmium Lore

Ichor Lore(50) Advanced Metals(0) int Ichor Lore

Arcronite Lore(50) Advanced Metals(30) int Arcronite Lore

Gem Metal Lore(50) Advanced Metals(15) int Gem Metal Lore

Lupium Lore(30) Advanced Metals(0) int Lupium Lore

Master Alloys(30) Metallurgy(60) Advanced Metals(50) int Master Alloys

Cronite Lore(30) Master Alloys(0) int Cronite Lore

Oghmium Lore(15) Master Alloys(40) int Oghmium Lore

Basic Metals(50) Metallurgy(0) int Basic Metals

Cuprum Lore(50) Basic Metals(0) int Cuprum Lore

Aabam Lore(50) Basic Metals(0) int Aabam Lore

Pig Iron Lore(50) Basic Metals(0) int Pig Iron Lore

Bleck Lore(50) Basic Metals(0) int Bleck Lore

Almine Lore(30) Basic Metals(20) int Almine Lore

Iron-based Alloys(50) Metallurgy(30) int Iron-based Alloys

Tungsteel Lore(30) Iron-based Alloys(40) int Tungsteel Lore

Steel Lore(50) Iron-based Alloys(20) int Steel Lore

Grain Steel Lore(50) Iron-based Alloys(0) int Grain Steel Lore

Cuprum-based Alloys(50) Metallurgy(10) int Cuprum-based Alloys

Bron Lore(50) Cuprum-based Alloys(0) int Bron Lore

Electrum Lore(50) Cuprum-based Alloys(0) int Electrum Lore

Messing Lore(30) Cuprum-based Alloys(0) int Messing Lore

Tindremic Messing Lore(30) Cuprum-based Alloys(50) int Tindremic Messing Lore

Papyrology(0) Material Lore(0) int Papyrology

Papyrus Lore(0) Papyrology(0) int Papyrus Lore

Sarducaan Papyrus Lore(0) Papyrology(80) int Sarducaan Papyrus Lore

Petrology(50) Material Lore(0) int Petrology

Igneous Rock(50) Petrology(0) int Igneous Rock

Amarantum Lore(50) Igneous Rock(30) int Amarantum Lore

Tephra Lore(50) Igneous Rock(30) int Tephra Lore

Pyroxene Lore(30) Igneous Rock(50) int Pyroxene Lore

Galbinum Lore(30) Igneous Rock(25) int Galbinum Lore

Gabore Lore(50) Igneous Rock(0) int Gabore Lore

Maalite Lore(50) Igneous Rock(40) int Maalite Lore

Magmum Lore(30) Igneous Rock(60) int Magmum Lore

Volcanic Ash Lore(50) Igneous Rock(0) int Volcanic Ash Lore

Granum Lore(50) Igneous Rock(0) int Granum Lore

Stonewood Lore(0) Advanced Dendrology(50) Petrology(50) int Stonewood Lore

Mineralogy(50) Petrology(0) int Mineralogy

Calspar Lore(50) Mineralogy(0) int Calspar Lore

Nyx Lore(50) Mineralogy(50) int Nyx Lore

Pyrite Lore(50) Mineralogy(30) int Pyrite Lore

Red Bleckblende Lore(30) Mineralogy(40) int Red Bleckblende Lore

Blood Ore Lore(50) Mineralogy(0) int Blood Ore Lore

Coke Lore(50) Mineralogy(20) int Coke Lore

Jadeite Lore(50) Mineralogy(30) int Jadeite Lore

Bleckblende Lore(50) Mineralogy(0) int Bleckblende Lore

Malachite Lore(50) Mineralogy(0) int Malachite Lore

Alchemical Mineralogy(50) Petrology(30) int Alchemical Mineralogy

Pyropite Lore(30) Alchemical Mineralogy(50) int Pyropite Lore

Sulfur Lore(50) Alchemical Mineralogy(0) int Sulfur Lore

Chalk Glance Lore(30) Alchemical Mineralogy(50) int Chalk Glance Lore

Calamine Lore(50) Alchemical Mineralogy(0) int Calamine Lore

Cinnabar Lore(30) Alchemical Mineralogy(30) int Cinnabar Lore

Sanguinite Lore(30) Alchemical Mineralogy(70) int Sanguinite Lore

Waterstone Lore(30) Alchemical Mineralogy(40) int Waterstone Lore

Kyanite Lore(30) Alchemical Mineralogy(60) int Kyanite Lore

Sedimentary Rock(50) Petrology(0) int Sedimentary Rock

Calx Lore(50) Sedimentary Rock(0) int Calx Lore

Coal Lore(50) Sedimentary Rock(0) int Coal Lore

Flakestone Lore(50) Sedimentary Rock(30) int Flakestone Lore

Saburra Lore(50) Sedimentary Rock(0) int Saburra Lore

Animal Materials(50) Material Lore(0) int Animal Materials

Skeleton Lore(50) Animal Materials(0) int Skeleton Lore

Exoskeleton Lore(50) Skeleton Lore(0) int Exoskeleton Lore

Crepite Lore(50) Exoskeleton Lore(0) int Crepite Lore

Dense Crepite Lore(50) Exoskeleton Lore(40) int Dense Crepite Lore

Carapace Lore(50) Exoskeleton Lore(20) int Carapace Lore

Crustacean Carapace Lore(50) Carapace Lore(0) int Crustacean Carapace Lore

Reptile Carapace Lore(50) Carapace Lore(0) int Reptile Carapace Lore

Arthropod Carapace Lore(50) Carapace Lore(0) int Arthropod Carapace Lore

Pansar Carapace Lore(0) Carapace Lore(70) int Pansar Carapace Lore

Ivory Carapace Lore(50) Carapace Lore(30) int Ivory Carapace Lore

Heavy Carapace Lore(50) Carapace Lore(50) int Heavy Carapace Lore

Endoskeleton Lore(50) Skeleton Lore(0) int Endoskeleton Lore

Ironbone Lore(50) Endoskeleton Lore(30) int Ironbone Lore

Ophionite Lore(0) Endoskeleton Lore(70) int Ophionite Lore

Bone Tissue Lore(50) Endoskeleton Lore(0) int Bone Tissue Lore

Dental Lore(50) Animal Materials(20) int Dental Lore

Ophium Lore(0) Dental Lore(70) int Ophium Lore

Molarium Lore(50) Dental Lore(20) int Molarium Lore

Incisium Lore(50) Dental Lore(40) int Incisium Lore

Emalj Lore(50) Dental Lore(0) int Emalj Lore

Scales Lore(50) Animal Materials(0) int Scales Lore

Leptoid Scales Lore(50) Scales Lore(0) int Leptoid Scales Lore

Ophiosquami Lore(0) Scales Lore(90) int Ophiosquami Lore

Ophiodermi Lore(0) Scales Lore(60) int Ophiodermi Lore

Horned Scales Lore(50) Scales Lore(40) int Horned Scales Lore

Keeled Scales Lore(50) Scales Lore(30) int Keeled Scales Lore

Plate Scales Lore(50) Scales Lore(50) int Plate Scales Lore

Ganoid Scales Lore(50) Scales Lore(20) int Ganoid Scales Lore

Placoid Scales Lore(50) Scales Lore(0) int Placoid Scales Lore

Pansar Scales Lore(50) Scales Lore(70) int Pansar Scales Lore

Keratin Lore(50) Animal Materials(0) int Keratin Lore

Horn Lore(50) Keratin Lore(0) int Horn Lore

Great Horn Lore(50) Keratin Lore(50) int Great Horn Lore

Compact Horn Lore(50) Keratin Lore(20) int Compact Horn Lore

Ophiocorni Lore(0) Keratin Lore(90) int Ophiocorni Lore

Mammal Skin Lore(50) Animal Materials(0) int Mammal Skin Lore

Fur Lore(50) Mammal Skin Lore(0) int Fur Lore

Ground Fur Lore(50) Fur Lore(0) int Ground Fur Lore

Guard Fur Lore(50) Fur Lore(2

adrala · October 2010

follow up to my last post...

- - - - Ophiocorni Lore(0) Keratin Lore(90) int Ophiocorni Lore
    - Mammal Skin Lore(50) Animal Materials(0) int Mammal Skin Lore
      - Fur Lore(50) Mammal Skin Lore(0) int Fur Lore
        
        Ground Fur Lore(50) Fur Lore(0) int Ground Fur Lore
        
        Guard Fur Lore(50) Fur Lore(20) int Guard Fur Lore
        
        Ironfur Lore(0) Fur Lore(50) int Ironfur Lore
        
        Ironwool Lore(50) Fur Lore(40) Textile Lore(40) int Ironwool Lore
        
        Wool Lore(50) Fur Lore(20) Textile Lore(20) int Wool Lore
      - Leather Lore(50) Mammal Skin Lore(0) int Leather Lore
        
        Fullgrain Leather Lore(50) Leather Lore(0) int Fullgrain Leather Lore
        
        Rawhide Lore(0) Leather Lore(30) int Rawhide Lore
        
        Quality Leather Lore(50) Leather Lore(20) int Quality Leather Lore
        
        Boiled Leather Lore(30) Leather Lore(20) int Boiled Leather Lore
        
        Brained Leather Lore(50) Leather Lore(50) int Brained Leather Lore
        
        Skin Lore(50) Leather Lore(30) int Skin Lore
  - Dendrology(50) Material Lore(0) int Dendrology
    - Brownwood Lore(50) Dendrology(50) int Brownwood Lore
    - Advanced Dendrology(50) Dendrology(60) int Advanced Dendrology
      - Tapii Lore(0) Advanced Dendrology(80) Animism(50) int psy Tapii Lore
      - Stonewood Lore(0) Advanced Dendrology(50) Petrology(50) int Stonewood Lore
      - Ironwood Lore(50) Advanced Dendrology(20) int Ironwood Lore
      - Blackwood Lore(50) Advanced Dendrology(0) int Blackwood Lore
    - Dapplewood Lore(50) Dendrology(40) int Dapplewood Lore
    - Spongewood Lore(50) Dendrology(0) int Spongewood Lore
    - Firmwood Lore(50) Dendrology(20) int Firmwood Lore
    - Greywood Lore(50) Dendrology(30) int Greywood Lore
    - Whitewood Lore(50) Dendrology(0) int Whitewood Lore
  - Textile Lore(50) Material Lore(0) int Textile Lore
    - Ironwool Lore(50) Fur Lore(40) Textile Lore(40) int Ironwool Lore
    - Wool Lore(50) Fur Lore(20) Textile Lore(20) int Wool Lore
    - Cotton Lore(50) Textile Lore(0) int Cotton Lore
    - Ironsilk Lore(50) Textile Lore(50) int Ironsilk Lore
    - Silk Lore(50) Textile Lore(30) int Silk Lore
- Mental Training(100) psy Your current mental training
  - Mental Focus(100) Mental Training(25) psy -0-50% mana cost
  - Mental Offense(50) Mental Training(0) psy +0-100% more effective spells
  - Concentration(100) Mental Training(25) psy +0-40% chance to not be interrupted when channeling
    - Reading(15) Concentration(0) psy int Increase the amount of knowledge you get from reading books
      - Shop Construction(30) House Construction(35) Reading(50) int Shop Construction
- Anatomy(100) int Your knowledge about the human body
  - Damage Assessment(100) Anatomy(0) int Gives you more info when you hit someone
- Magic Schools(100) int You knowledge about the magic schools
  - Ecumenical Spells(50) Magic Schools(20) psy int Ecumenical Spells
  - Animism(0) Magic Schools(20) psy int Animism
    - Tapii Lore(0) Advanced Dendrology(80) Animism(50) int psy Tapii Lore
  - Spiritism(60) Magic Schools(20) psy int
    - Transcendental Awareness(100) Spiritism(0) psy
    - Akh Manifestation(20) Spiritism(40) psy
- Magic Studies(100) int Your studies in magic
  - Meditation(100) Magic Studies(0) Resting(40) +0-75% mana regen when resting
  - Mana Regeneration(100) Magic Studies(0) +25-100% more passive mana regeneration
Technique(0)
- Domestication(50) int psy Your knowledge about animals
  - Creature Control(100) Domestication(0) int psy
  - Taming(50) Domestication(0) int psy Increases the chance that you tame a creature
    - Animal Stable Construction(30) House Construction(35) Taming(50) int House Expansion Construction
- Thievery(50) int dex Your knowledge about Thievery
  - Snooping(50) Thievery(0) dex int Increases the chance that you snoop without getting caught
    - Pilfering(50) Snooping(0) dex int Increases the chance that you steal without getting caught
- Resting(0) Increases the amount you regain when resting
  - Meditation(100) Magic Studies(0) Resting(40) +0-75% mana regen when resting
  - Active Regeneration(50) Endurance(0) Resting(30) +0-75% hp-regen when resting
- Refining(50) int Refining
- Extraction(50) int Extraction
  - Basic Ore Extraction(50) Extraction(0) int Basic Ore Extraction
    - Intermediate Ore Extraction(50) Basic Ore Extraction(25) int Intermediate Ore Extraction
      - Advanced Ore Extraction(50) Intermediate Ore Extraction(50) int psy Advanced Ore Extraction
- Gathering(50) str con +0-50% more resources when gathering
  - Mining(50) Gathering(0) str con Increases the amount of resources you get from mining
  - Woodcutting(50) Gathering(0) str con Increases the amount of resources you get from woodcutting
Crafting(0)
- Handle and Pole Crafting(50) int Your knowledge about crafting weapon handles and poles
  - 1H Blade Hilt Crafting(30) Handle and Pole Crafting(20) int Allows you to craft one handed blade hilts
    - 2H Blade Hilt Crafting(30) 1H Blade Hilt Crafting(40) int dex Allows you to craft two handed blade hilts
  - 1H Shaft and Club Crafting(50) Handle and Pole Crafting(0) int Allows you to craft one handed shafts and clubs
    - 2H Shaft and Staff Crafting(50) 1H Shaft and Club Crafting(20) int Allows you to craft two handed shafts and staffs
- Basic Engineering(50) int Basic Engineering
  - Advanced Engineering(50) Basic Engineering(50) int Advanced Engineering
  - Workshop Construction(30) Basic Engineering(30) int Workshop Construction
    - Bow Workshop Construction(30) Workshop Construction(10) Bowyery(50) int Ranged Weapon Workshop Construction
    - Comminutor Construction(30) Workshop Construction(20) Comminutors(50) int Communitor Workshop Construction
    - Butchery Construction(30) Workshop Construction(0) Butchery Appliances(50) int Butchery Workshop Construction
    - Fabricula Construction(30) Workshop Construction(60) Alchemy Contraptions(50) int Fabricula Workshop Construction
    - Furnace Construction(30) Workshop Construction(40) Thermal Appliances(50) int Furnace Workshop Construction
    - Weapon Workshop Construction(30) Workshop Construction(50) Weapon Crafting(50) int Melee Weapon Workshop Construction
    - Shield Workshop Construction(30) Workshop Construction(30) Shield Crafting(50) int Shield Workshop Construction
    - Armor Workshop Construction(30) Workshop Construction(40) Armor Crafting(50) int Armor Workshop Construction
  - House Construction(50) Basic Engineering(0) int con House Construction
    - Shop Construction(30) House Construction(35) Reading(50) int Shop Construction
    - House Expansion Construction(25) House Construction(30) int House Expansion Construction
    - Animal Stable Construction(30) House Construction(35) Taming(50) int House Expansion Construction
- Armor Crafting(50) int Your knowledge about armor crafting
  - Heavy Robe(50) Armor Crafting(0) int dex Allows you to craft Heavy Robes
  - Soft Armor Crafting(50) Armor Crafting(10) int Basic understanding of how to craft soft armors and their parts. This skill is not a recipe on its own but is needed to craft individual soft armor designs. Enhances the quality of all soft armors you craft.
    - Laminated Armor Crafting(30) Soft Armor Crafting(30) int Basic understanding of how to craft laminated armors and their parts. This skill is not a recipe on its own but is needed to craft individual laminated armor designs. Enhances the quality of all laminated armors you craft.
      - Tindremic Scale Armor(30) Laminated Armor Crafting(0) int dex Allows you to craft Tindremic Scale Armor
      - Khurite Splinted Armor(30) Laminated Armor Crafting(0) int dex Allows you to craft Khurite Splinted Armor
      - Kallardian Lamellar Armor(30) Laminated Armor Crafting(40) int dex Allows you to craft Kallardian Lamellar Armor
      - Plate Armor Crafting(50) Laminated Armor Crafting(40) int Basic understanding of how to craft plate armors and their parts. This skill is not a recipe on its own but is needed to craft individual plate armor designs. Enhances the quality of all plate armors you craft.
        
        Tindremic Plate Armor(30) Plate Armor Crafting(0) int str Allows you to craft Tindremic Plate Armor
        
        Draconigena Armatus(30) Plate Armor Crafting(50) int str Allows you to craft Draconigena Armatus
    - Kallardian Padded Armor(30) Soft Armor Crafting(0) int dex Allows you to craft Kallardian Padded Armor
    - Khurite Scout Armor(30) Soft Armor Crafting(0) int dex Allows you to craft Khurite Scout Armor
  - Armor Workshop Construction(30) Workshop Construction(40) Armor Crafting(50) int Armor Workshop Construction
- Bowyery(50) int Your knowledge about bowyery
  - Short Bow Crafting(50) Bowyery(0) int dex Allows you to craft short bows
    - Long Bow Crafting(50) Short Bow Crafting(30) int dex Allows you to craft longbows
      - Asymmetrical Bow Crafting(30) Long Bow Crafting(30) Recurve Bow Mechanics(40) int dex
  - Self Bow Composition(50) Bowyery(0) int Allows you to craft self bows
  - Bow Workshop Construction(30) Workshop Construction(10) Bowyery(50) int Ranged Weapon Workshop Construction
  - Composite Bow Composition(50) Bowyery(50) int dex Allows you to craft composite bows
    - Recurve Bow Mechanics(30) Flat Bow Mechanics(30) Composite Bow Composition(30) int Allows you to craft recurve bows
      - Asymmetrical Bow Crafting(30) Long Bow Crafting(30) Recurve Bow Mechanics(40) int dex
  - Decurve Bow Mechanics(50) Bowyery(0) int Allows you to craft decurve bows
    - Flat Bow Mechanics(50) Decurve Bow Mechanics(30) int Allows you to craft flat bows
      - Recurve Bow Mechanics(30) Flat Bow Mechanics(30) Composite Bow Composition(30) int Allows you to craft recurve bows
        
        Asymmetrical Bow Crafting(30) Long Bow Crafting(30) Recurve Bow Mechanics(40) int dex
- Shield Crafting(50) int Your knowledge about crafting shields
  - Kite Shield(50) Shield Crafting(20) int Allows you to craft kite shields
  - Round Shield(50) Shield Crafting(0) int Allows you to craft round shields
  - Shield Workshop Construction(30) Workshop Construction(30) Shield Crafting(50) int Shield Workshop Construction
- Weapon Crafting(50) int Your knowledge about crafting weapons
  - Blunt Weapon Crafting(50) Weapon Crafting(0) int str Your knowledge about blunt weapons crafting
    - Spiked Head Crafting(30) Blunt Weapon Crafting(20) int str Allows you to craft spiked heads
    - Axe Crafting(50) Blunt Weapon Crafting(30) Basic Blade Crafting(20) int Your knowledge about crafting axes
      - Axe Head Crafting(50) Axe Crafting(0) int str Allows you to craft axe heads
      - Poleaxe Head Crafting(30) Axe Crafting(50) int str Allows you to craft poleaxe heads
    - Blunt Head Crafting(50) Blunt Weapon Crafting(0) int str Allows you to craft blunt heads
  - Basic Blade Crafting(50) Weapon Crafting(30) int Your knowledge about basic blade crafting
    - Advanced Blade Crafting(30) Basic Blade Crafting(50) int Your knowledge about advanced blade crafting
      - Greatblade Crafting(30) Advanced Blade Crafting(50) int str Allows you to craft greatblades
      - Sideblade Crafting(30) Advanced Blade Crafting(0) int str Allows you to craft side blades
    - Axe Crafting(50) Blunt Weapon Crafting(30) Basic Blade Crafting(20) int Your knowledge about crafting axes
      - Axe Head Crafting(50) Axe Crafting(0) int str Allows you to craft axe heads
      - Poleaxe Head Crafting(30) Axe Crafting(50) int str Allows you to craft poleaxe heads
    - Spearhead Crafting(50) Basic Blade Crafting(10) int dex Allows you to craft spearheads
    - Short Blade Crafting(50) Basic Blade Crafting(30) int str Allows you to craft short blades
    - Dagger Blade Crafting(50) Basic Blade Crafting(0) int dex Allows you to craft dagger blades
  - Weapon Workshop Construction(30) Workshop Construction(50) Weapon Crafting(50) int Melee Weapon Workshop Construction
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Aethaeryn · October 2010

To be fair to the OP the skills listed are about 75% crafting related. Also the new build from Epic isn't going to solve most of his problems.

He didn't like the character models. I don't either - high rez textures are not going to fix this

There are not new skills being added with the patch

They are not changing the race system with the patch

The patch will enable some things that will allow for some cool flash spell effects etc. .but again. . the patch isn't bringing those that we know of.

Telling the guy to wait until the patch seems pointless since it won't address any of his issues. The game is simply not for him I would say. I hope the game stays restricted as far as skills. It is the one thing I hate about DF is that there is no skill cap. I like the racial system.

He is complaining about core concepts of the game that he does not like. If those change then I (and many others) won't like the game (character models aside).

He is right. . for what he wants. . he should be playing DF. . nothing wrong with that aside from telling people not to bother. I have bought games based on other people's negative posts though. (ie. there's no AH! . . you lose stuff when you die!) so not much harm done.

adrala · October 2010

Originally posted by Aethaeryn
To be fair to the OP the skills listed are about 75% crafting related. Also the new build from Epic isn't going to solve most of his problems.

I guess arround 40% are crafting based and arround 20% gathering based. But then again crafting plays BIG role in MO since all the weapons and armours are player crafted. There are no weapons dropping from mobs.

Also his point was that there were ittle skills and little diversity. Which is basicly not true.

I would agree if there were 20-30ish skills or sth like that but it clearly is not the case.

He didn't like the character models. I don't either - high rez textures are not going to fix this

I think you understimate the power of good quality textures.

A crappy low poly model model:

http://www.ericelwell.com/Tutorial/TexturingQuickDraw/001Model.jpg

Same model textured:

http://www.ericelwell.com/Tutorial/TexturingQuickDraw/Final.jpg

However in this patch the high res textures are only for the world and mobs. Not for players/armour/etc.

Also MO currently doesnt have AA option. As soon as it is added there will be NOTICEBLE improvement in the overal graphics department.

There are not new skills being added with the patch

True. However lack of skills is not a big issue for most part of the community.

They are not changing the race system with the patch

What is wrong with the race system?

The patch will enable some things that will allow for some cool flash spell effects etc. .but again. . the patch isn't bringing those that we know of.

Actually this patch should hopefully improve heavily the PVE since now AI will have navmesh system that will make it much more smarter and challenging.

The patch notes are still incomplete. They promised is the full fishing system and also more pickebles.

We will see. Also an epic creture is said to be implemented alongside the new patch.

I agree with the rest of your post.

Slapshot1188 · October 2010

Originally posted by adrala

Also his point was that there were ittle skills and little diversity. Which is basicly not true.

I believe that you totally missed his point (perhaps he did not accurately communicate it). I think his point was that in MO you have a hardcap on skillpoints where in DF you don't. Thus in DF you can be a crafter AND a fighter... but that is impossible in MO.

Now, as Aetheryn said... that is a design feature in MO (and in DF). Either you like it or you don't. Listing a page of skills (for some reason including secondary ones...) will not change that. For the OP it is apparent that he prefers the open skillsystem of DF. Nothing wrong there, just personal preference

Chirugai · October 2010

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