This game boasts nothing but nice graphics and a different combat system. Yeah, it's not a click and cast. Yes, you have to jump around a lot to kill monsters. What is so innovative about this? You aimed in Chronicles of Spellborn.. Mortal Online.. Darkfall (I believe, I don't know a lot about it).
People got all hyped up about Aion and then when it came out many people said that the only thing Aion boasts is good graphics! I'm going to be placing my money on GW2 and Rift
Ahahah, what a stupid comment. So Tera is hyped but not GW2 and Rift right? Aion failed but so did Warhammer and Age of Conan and at a greater extent. Your logic is just epic fail.
On topic: Tera just got bigger and better. The lore sounds amazing and I didn't expect any less from the acclaimed writers of the team.
The example of Aion isn't really that bad as some ppl previously working on westernisation of Aion now are working for En Masse on the same thing this time regarding TERA. Westernisation process means also developing the lore.
And regarding the lore itself it's not bad but I think it is still too early to call it amasing. The story behind mentioned by you AoC didn't really look worse. Also the way that Aion's storyline has been described to western players (again some key ppl working then on this Aion version now work on TERA for US/EU) didn't really sound bad. And it turned the way it did.
So basically SgtEcho made stupid comment but yours isn't much better, sorry.
This game boasts nothing but nice graphics and a different combat system. Yeah, it's not a click and cast. Yes, you have to jump around a lot to kill monsters. What is so innovative about this? You aimed in Chronicles of Spellborn.. Mortal Online.. Darkfall (I believe, I don't know a lot about it).
People got all hyped up about Aion and then when it came out many people said that the only thing Aion boasts is good graphics! I'm going to be placing my money on GW2 and Rift
Ahahah, what a stupid comment. So Tera is hyped but not GW2 and Rift right? Aion failed but so did Warhammer and Age of Conan and at a greater extent. Your logic is just epic fail.
On topic: Tera just got bigger and better. The lore sounds amazing and I didn't expect any less from the acclaimed writers of the team.
The example of Aion isn't really that bad as some ppl previously working on westernisation of Aion now are working for En Masse on the same thing this time regarding TERA. Westernisation process means also developing the lore.
And regarding the lore itself it's not bad but I think it is still too early to call it amasing. The story behind mentioned by you AoC didn't really look worse. Also the way that Aion's storyline has been described to western players (again some key ppl working then on this Aion version now work on TERA for US/EU) didn't really sound bad. And it turned the way it did.
So basically SgtEcho made stupid comment but yours isn't much better, sorry.
Then you will be more than happy to hear that the main producer of Warhammer, Adam Gershowitz, is now the producer of Rift and one of the leading people of Trion Worlds, which means that even if what you say was his point I destroyed it. There are some people of NCSoft that now work for En Masse, but please if you imply that the acclaimed writers of En Masse have anything to do with the ones of Aion you are dead wrong.
Sounds fine to me, I've seen worse lore. My only concern is if they will do a good job presenting it to us in the game.
Also, I just had to add that the people who wrote TERA are not the people who wrote for Aion. Bluehole and En Masse are companies formed by people who worked for all sorts of companies, but originally it was mostly ex-NCsoft employees that were very unhappy with the way NCsoft does things. They wanted to do things differently and wanted to do them the right way. En Masse has lots of people from NCwest, Blizzard, among others which you can look up for yourself if you'd like. So I just think we should give them a chance to show us what they can do.
This game boasts nothing but nice graphics and a different combat system. Yeah, it's not a click and cast. Yes, you have to jump around a lot to kill monsters. What is so innovative about this? You aimed in Chronicles of Spellborn.. Mortal Online.. Darkfall (I believe, I don't know a lot about it).
People got all hyped up about Aion and then when it came out many people said that the only thing Aion boasts is good graphics! I'm going to be placing my money on GW2 and Rift
Ahahah, what a stupid comment. So Tera is hyped but not GW2 and Rift right? Aion failed but so did Warhammer and Age of Conan and at a greater extent. Your logic is just epic fail.
On topic: Tera just got bigger and better. The lore sounds amazing and I didn't expect any less from the acclaimed writers of the team.
The example of Aion isn't really that bad as some ppl previously working on westernisation of Aion now are working for En Masse on the same thing this time regarding TERA. Westernisation process means also developing the lore.
And regarding the lore itself it's not bad but I think it is still too early to call it amasing. The story behind mentioned by you AoC didn't really look worse. Also the way that Aion's storyline has been described to western players (again some key ppl working then on this Aion version now work on TERA for US/EU) didn't really sound bad. And it turned the way it did.
So basically SgtEcho made stupid comment but yours isn't much better, sorry.
Then you will be more than happy to hear that the main producer of Warhammer, Adam Gershowitz, is now the producer of Rift and one of the leading people of Trion Worlds, which means that even if what you say was his point I destroyed it. There are some people of NCSoft that now work for En Masse, but please if you imply that the acclaimed writers of En Masee have anything to do with the ones of Aion you are dead wrong.
And your point is?
First this topic is in no way related to Rift so who really cares what happens to it? TERA can fail, Rift can fail, they both can fail. And only in 1st and 3rd case it matters here.
And the only thing that I am implying is that some key ppl (not code writers or so) that were making decisions regarding western version of AIon now are working on TERA. And they are the ones that make decisions. If they decide that they don't like the story then it doesn't really matter how good the story really is, it gets trashed anyway.
Bottom line is that qqing how stupid the lore sounds (judgement based on ONE article) is as wrong as saying how great it is (judgement based actually on the same brief information about it containing as the matter of fact no or almost no details). Things so far look good but tbh we should really wait further and see more about it before making any judgments how good or bad it is.
This game boasts nothing but nice graphics and a different combat system. Yeah, it's not a click and cast. Yes, you have to jump around a lot to kill monsters. What is so innovative about this? You aimed in Chronicles of Spellborn.. Mortal Online.. Darkfall (I believe, I don't know a lot about it).
People got all hyped up about Aion and then when it came out many people said that the only thing Aion boasts is good graphics! I'm going to be placing my money on GW2 and Rift
Ahahah, what a stupid comment. So Tera is hyped but not GW2 and Rift right? Aion failed but so did Warhammer and Age of Conan and at a greater extent. Your logic is just epic fail.
On topic: Tera just got bigger and better. The lore sounds amazing and I didn't expect any less from the acclaimed writers of the team.
The example of Aion isn't really that bad as some ppl previously working on westernisation of Aion now are working for En Masse on the same thing this time regarding TERA. Westernisation process means also developing the lore.
And regarding the lore itself it's not bad but I think it is still too early to call it amasing. The story behind mentioned by you AoC didn't really look worse. Also the way that Aion's storyline has been described to western players (again some key ppl working then on this Aion version now work on TERA for US/EU) didn't really sound bad. And it turned the way it did.
So basically SgtEcho made stupid comment but yours isn't much better, sorry.
Then you will be more than happy to hear that the main producer of Warhammer, Adam Gershowitz, is now the producer of Rift and one of the leading people of Trion Worlds, which means that even if what you say was his point I destroyed it. There are some people of NCSoft that now work for En Masse, but please if you imply that the acclaimed writers of En Masee have anything to do with the ones of Aion you are dead wrong.
And your point is?
First this topic is in no way related to Rift so who really cares what happens to it? TERA can fail, Rift can fail, they both can fail. And only in 1st and 3rd case it matters here.
And the only thing that I am implying is that some key ppl (not code writers or so) that were making decisions regarding western version of AIon now are working on TERA. And they are the ones that make decisions. If they decide that they don't like the story then it doesn't really matter how good the story really is, it gets trashed anyway.
Bottom line is that qqing how stupid the lore sounds (judgement based on ONE article) is as wrong as saying how great it is (judgement based actually on the same brief information about it containing as the matter of fact no or almost no details). Things so far look good but tbh we should really wait further and see more about it before making any judgments how good or bad it is.
My point is that all games can fail as opposed to SgtEcho's belief and there is no valid point to argue that. The last years all games did bad regarding to what they were hyped for either being from the east, the west or the north pole. I don't argue that Tera has the possibility to fail, all games do but saying such things as Tera is going to fail because Aion failed is just stupid.
I think we need to compare apples to apples, which means comparing 20th/21st century lore by itself, and forgetting about mythology which is millenia old.
Maybe they can flesh out the lore they have. but right now from what we know its stupid. You need to start small with these things to build it up, rather than trying to tell the entire story in 2 paragraphs like Tera is doing right now. lotr started with the hobbit, WH40k was a simple grudge match until they added the horus heresy etc. Warcraft started with a simple conflict between orcs and humans, and it was fleshed out well by explaining the orcs were pawns of an alien daemonic race, which is the underlying theme for alot of the current events (lich king etc.), (WoW killed alot of these complexities but there are still some gems in there)
edit; (damn i did the comma thing again!!, oh well)
But there really isn't any 20th/21st century lore. As you pointed out, suspension of disbelief is harder nowadays.
And it's funny you bring up star trek or Lord of the Rings. There is an article on these forums that mentions writing in today's mmo's.
For the most part it's just fast and just enough to establish some sort of shallow mythology. Lord of the Rings has the distinction of having years of work put into it just so that books could be written. It's just our dumb luck that we get a game based off of it.
I don't expect any mmo based on new IP to have years worth of well thought out lore at launch, and that's not why i'm bashing tera.
I guess the centre point of my arguement, which i feel like you've missed is; instead of starting small, and nurturing whatever lore they are trying to create, Tera is going about it sledgehammer style trying to answer everything in two paragraphs, and it just ends up looking extremely sub-par.
I apologize but I suppose I am missing it. I don't mean to be purposefully obtuse but I just reread their little lore blurb and it seems like a reaonable explanation, in brief, of what has gone before.
And I'm not saying you were expecting a lore that was as rich and deep as Lord of the Rings, merely pointing out that there are very few games that have deep lore and that the only one that I know of that has deep lore is LOTRO.
I suppose one could build it over the years but I also imagine that given that blurb, they could flesh it out quite nicely if they chose to.
Not sure if they will or if it will jsut be left at that. Lineage 2 seemed that way at times. There was the lore and then there was the world that didn't really feel connected to that lore unless you were consciously looking for it.
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My point is that all games can fail as opposed to SgtEcho's belief and there is no valid point to argue that. The last years all games did bad regarding to what they were hyped for either being from the east, the west or the north pole. I don't argue that Tera has the possibility to fail, all games do but saying such things as Tera is going to fail because Aion failed is just stupid.
That guy never said that TERA will fail while GW2 or Rift won't for sure. Nor anyone said that TERA will fail because Aion was a failure.
And yeah, personally I am waiting for TERA in particular as so far it appeals to me more than anything else scheduled for 2011. What's more important someone likes it or not TERA doesn't look so flat as most other mmo games do but still as I already stated both qqing how stupid lore seems and claiming how amasing it is while only small pieces of it are revealed is simply stupid.
Um ... what exactly is wrong with the lore? I find it very realistic actually. Obviously I dont mean realistic in that its close to possible to happening. But this is the "lore" of their world and it has to do with their gods and what not ... like their "religion." Ive heard much worse.
Matter of fact, I believe Hindu "lore" has something about reality and the universe being one of their gods dream. One for which he will one day wake up when the universe ends. Considering this game is developed in the same general area, im not surprised. Would it have made you feel better if the first Castanic female was grown from the rib of a male Elf? Open your mind to other cultures man! If the game is fun ... youre going to enjoy it regardless.
Half of us dont even pay attention to the lore anyway, it wasnt through my third trek through the WotLK content that I noticed Muridan survived whatever killed him when Arthas found Frostmourne.
And whats wrong with the Argons? I happen to like steampunk style stuff. That alone makes it more Final Fantasy than even FFXIV, which is just sad IMO.
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so basically, the map is two titans who inexplicably fell asleep in a 69er position and made the world of Tera with some as yet inexplicable sword slash through them.
And the big threat?..
". . . and together they'll fight a menace from menace from deep beneath the world's surface: the argons, a terrifying race of machine-like creatures bent on destruction. Unless stopped, the terraforming argons will destroy Arun and Shara, and then the dream will end for everyone."
great, terminator with swords and boobs.
I know im sounding really cycnical, but with such piss poor lore,and the overtly sexualised world which alot of people sem to find a turn off, it sounds like blue hole is placing all its bets on its combat system...
The combat videos shows a fresh take on combat fore sure, but its hardly 'revolutionary' most of the videos had a character casting the same two spells in rotation over and over.
What im saying is im sure the combat will be decent, hell maybe even a bit fun. But its not going to carry the game
Looks exactly like the world of warcraft world map except closer together. It even has that tiny island in the middle of them.
I hope tera is good but think it is going to lean to heavy on combat alone and may get old. Hope that not the case and has more depth to it.
That is actually gonna depend on a few factors. Lore is one of them, political system is another for instance. So far it looks that they are setting it right or at least in let say interesting way so it doesn't look like actually any other mmo.
If it works as it should after launch then I wouldn't be worried about it really.
I rarely give two craps about a games lore, so I was surprised to find that I enjoyed the TERA lore so much, perhaps it’s because it varies pretty far from the typical western motif. I found the idea of the sleeping titans to be very interesting and gives way for almost unlimited creativity for art direction wile still being part of the story. I personal am quite thankful that I don't have to sit though another Dragon poking snorefest.
Rofl at the lore. It all seems perfectly fine until the ancient evil is shoe horned in. I mean for most it it's like, take a look at how our interesting and weird world formed and quite literally at the last 3 lines are basically "oh yeah there's an ancient evil trying to destroy everything" and your basically left with thoughts why am I not surprised.
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The example of Aion isn't really that bad as some ppl previously working on westernisation of Aion now are working for En Masse on the same thing this time regarding TERA. Westernisation process means also developing the lore.
And regarding the lore itself it's not bad but I think it is still too early to call it amasing. The story behind mentioned by you AoC didn't really look worse. Also the way that Aion's storyline has been described to western players (again some key ppl working then on this Aion version now work on TERA for US/EU) didn't really sound bad. And it turned the way it did.
So basically SgtEcho made stupid comment but yours isn't much better, sorry.
Then you will be more than happy to hear that the main producer of Warhammer, Adam Gershowitz, is now the producer of Rift and one of the leading people of Trion Worlds, which means that even if what you say was his point I destroyed it. There are some people of NCSoft that now work for En Masse, but please if you imply that the acclaimed writers of En Masse have anything to do with the ones of Aion you are dead wrong.
Sounds fine to me, I've seen worse lore. My only concern is if they will do a good job presenting it to us in the game.
Also, I just had to add that the people who wrote TERA are not the people who wrote for Aion. Bluehole and En Masse are companies formed by people who worked for all sorts of companies, but originally it was mostly ex-NCsoft employees that were very unhappy with the way NCsoft does things. They wanted to do things differently and wanted to do them the right way. En Masse has lots of people from NCwest, Blizzard, among others which you can look up for yourself if you'd like. So I just think we should give them a chance to show us what they can do.
And your point is?
First this topic is in no way related to Rift so who really cares what happens to it? TERA can fail, Rift can fail, they both can fail. And only in 1st and 3rd case it matters here.
And the only thing that I am implying is that some key ppl (not code writers or so) that were making decisions regarding western version of AIon now are working on TERA. And they are the ones that make decisions. If they decide that they don't like the story then it doesn't really matter how good the story really is, it gets trashed anyway.
Bottom line is that qqing how stupid the lore sounds (judgement based on ONE article) is as wrong as saying how great it is (judgement based actually on the same brief information about it containing as the matter of fact no or almost no details). Things so far look good but tbh we should really wait further and see more about it before making any judgments how good or bad it is.
My point is that all games can fail as opposed to SgtEcho's belief and there is no valid point to argue that. The last years all games did bad regarding to what they were hyped for either being from the east, the west or the north pole. I don't argue that Tera has the possibility to fail, all games do but saying such things as Tera is going to fail because Aion failed is just stupid.
I apologize but I suppose I am missing it. I don't mean to be purposefully obtuse but I just reread their little lore blurb and it seems like a reaonable explanation, in brief, of what has gone before.
And I'm not saying you were expecting a lore that was as rich and deep as Lord of the Rings, merely pointing out that there are very few games that have deep lore and that the only one that I know of that has deep lore is LOTRO.
I suppose one could build it over the years but I also imagine that given that blurb, they could flesh it out quite nicely if they chose to.
Not sure if they will or if it will jsut be left at that. Lineage 2 seemed that way at times. There was the lore and then there was the world that didn't really feel connected to that lore unless you were consciously looking for it.
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That guy never said that TERA will fail while GW2 or Rift won't for sure. Nor anyone said that TERA will fail because Aion was a failure.
And yeah, personally I am waiting for TERA in particular as so far it appeals to me more than anything else scheduled for 2011. What's more important someone likes it or not TERA doesn't look so flat as most other mmo games do but still as I already stated both qqing how stupid lore seems and claiming how amasing it is while only small pieces of it are revealed is simply stupid.
Um ... what exactly is wrong with the lore? I find it very realistic actually. Obviously I dont mean realistic in that its close to possible to happening. But this is the "lore" of their world and it has to do with their gods and what not ... like their "religion." Ive heard much worse.
Matter of fact, I believe Hindu "lore" has something about reality and the universe being one of their gods dream. One for which he will one day wake up when the universe ends. Considering this game is developed in the same general area, im not surprised. Would it have made you feel better if the first Castanic female was grown from the rib of a male Elf? Open your mind to other cultures man! If the game is fun ... youre going to enjoy it regardless.
Half of us dont even pay attention to the lore anyway, it wasnt through my third trek through the WotLK content that I noticed Muridan survived whatever killed him when Arthas found Frostmourne.
And whats wrong with the Argons? I happen to like steampunk style stuff. That alone makes it more Final Fantasy than even FFXIV, which is just sad IMO.
Tera leans heavly on Roman Mythology and it looks like it will be LOOSELY BASED on the early stages of the roman Republic >>>http://www.realtime.net/~wdoud/topics/romhstry.html
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Looks similar to the land design of WOW. Two main islands ocean in the middle.
Looks exactly like the world of warcraft world map except closer together. It even has that tiny island in the middle of them.
http://wowvault.ign.com/maps/World-Launcher.jpg
That is actually gonna depend on a few factors. Lore is one of them, political system is another for instance. So far it looks that they are setting it right or at least in let say interesting way so it doesn't look like actually any other mmo.
If it works as it should after launch then I wouldn't be worried about it really.
I've never expected much with the lore from Korean based games.
It's always the same, they try to explain how their world was formed, often tying in gods and superior beings.
In the end, what we usually get is simply one page of lore.
Then again, it's a brand new game; not an MMO spinoff based on an existing IP.
They need some sort of lore, so they slap a page of it in; however ridiculous it may sound.
I rarely give two craps about a games lore, so I was surprised to find that I enjoyed the TERA lore so much, perhaps it’s because it varies pretty far from the typical western motif. I found the idea of the sleeping titans to be very interesting and gives way for almost unlimited creativity for art direction wile still being part of the story. I personal am quite thankful that I don't have to sit though another Dragon poking snorefest.
1. That lore is no worse that things that ACTUAL HUMANS ONCE BELIEVED. It could very likely be just as "real" and simply be pure ingame mythology.
2. No one cares about your anti-sexualization whining. If you dont like it whatever but it doesnt mean you have to bang on about it all the damn time.
Rofl at the lore. It all seems perfectly fine until the ancient evil is shoe horned in. I mean for most it it's like, take a look at how our interesting and weird world formed and quite literally at the last 3 lines are basically "oh yeah there's an ancient evil trying to destroy everything" and your basically left with thoughts why am I not surprised.