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Wada is looking to next Spring as being the rebirth of FFXIV.
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Ehm, since when are MMORPG sales being compared to singleplayer game sales? WAR and AoC had sales numbers from 700k to 1 million at their launch, and iirc those were the highest numbers up till then (besides WoW maybe, don't know those initial launch sales numbers). And that's just the PC sales, the PS3 launch numbers will still follow.
For MMORPG's the sub numbers are important, that's where I think FFXIV will suffer greatly, especially with the storm of upcoming MMORPG titles that approaches next year.
The thread discussion itself aside - seems just another game bashing thread like I've seen them enough in the WoW, AoC and SWTOR forumsections here - but regarding this argument, this is all just a matter of viewpoint: most people are more lenient towards the game they enjoy to play. And sure, the hater of some MMORPG's is often the fanboi of his own favorite MMO game. But that doesn't make the critic more right or the fan blind.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
My recurring option has been turned off. Sometime next year, when SE feels like it has finished the fixing the game they can send me an email offering some free play time (preferably the month that I paid for) and I will give it another go. Until then Taus and the rest can pay to keep the lights on.
As for comparing this game unfinished state at release to the unfinished state of any mmo, that is a bit disingenuous. All mmo continue to be updated and expanded so, sure, any mmo could be said to be incomplete. They are never complete until the day the close up shop. But most mmos have something to offer on release day. Most have some kind of a point. That is, it is acceptable as a game in its release day state. FFXIV is the only game I have ever played on release day or otherwise that seemed to entirely lack for a point. FFXIV is lacking something, something that makes a game, a game and not just a framework for a virtual world. And no, I am not talking about quests. I have played plenty of very good, very fun sandbox games.
All die, so die well.
Pretty much.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
The rebirth of another failure. Lets be honest some people may buy it , but its not going to be a good game (better for sure) but still bad.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Every game on MMORPG has it's haters. Should they make a "special" forum for them as well? People who are interested in playing a game want to know the negatives as well as the positives. Splitting this forum, to me, is ridiculous. If they do it for this one, might as well do it for all of the games listed on MMORPG.
The action that Taus is pushing for is for the negative aspects/opinions of FFXIV to be swept away and hidden from those who might be looking for a new MMO to play. If you only see positive things, the game must be great. A deceptive method at best. If you want to only read happy shiny things about a specific game, then go to a fansite that worships the ground that SE walks on. If you want to be able to see both the good and bad aspects of this game then leave the forums here at MMORPG.com the way they are.
There would be more positive thread here if more people had positive things to say about the game. And that alone speaks volumes.
I agree. A one sided conversation doesn't do anyone any good. If people want to go talk about the game without dealing with game issues they make forums specifically for that. They have been quoted here several times usually accompanied by an insult towards the MMORPG site in general xD
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
What an incredible load of rubbish.
Here's two lines:
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Read between them.
Of course Wada didn't come out and specifically state that PC users are playing a soon-to-be payed beta. He was talking to shareholders. With the negativity and failures the game has experienced so far, do you really think that is something he would say outright to investors? You're being incredibly naive.
The company has admitted its faults and failures. This plug your ears, stomp your feet, and shout LALALALA business is getting old. Do you lack the ability to think critically about a situation? I mean, really -- I want XIV to be a great game that I can play for half a decade like I did with XI, but it's become painfully obvious that the PC market is playing a "beta" version of the game right now.
Fact is they are hoping they can get all this ironed out for the PS3 launch because thats their last hope, so yes in a sense the PC version is now being treated as a beta because they can not afford for the PS3 launch to flop as bad as the PC one has.
Before they made everything Pretty
and decided to ignore the bad fighting mechanics which let me assure you are nowhere near the simplified control of their console games even though it dang SHOULD be
the game was already ripe with problems such as the ludicrous patching system that MAXED on super internet connections at 56k sometimes getting a 5 min. peak of 90k
And you could use BitTorrent or uTorrent and download it at 500x that speed.
It shouldn't have launched when it did, it was WAY too soon.
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