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Thinking of starting out my space odyssey, where to begin?
bronecar
Member Posts: 685
in EVE Online
I wouldn't call this game user friendly for those who are trying it out. So maybe you could point me out in the right direction.
Would it be best to start with mining for long term game time investment? Ideally, I'd like to fly a Titan (we can all dream, right?).
Any help or information regarding your personal experience with the game would be much appreciated 
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Do what you want
. Don't be a miner to be rich in less you really want to mine. If you want to make stuff again mining compliments it but isn't required. The game can be boring if you don't do something you enjoy.
CCP is a shady company now?
And, it may be due to the fact he can't post on the eve forums for 72 hours from creating his account.
Wow, I was expecting some hints, didn't feel like reading some EVE encyclopedia to learn about a game.
Anyway, thanks NetSage, I think your opinion is very valuable. Doing things for any other reason than fun doesn't make a game, it rather breaks it.
I respect this game, even though I'm a themepark kind of guy, never really understood the sandbox game design to begin with. But somehow EVE is different.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
@OP, try out the trial and only look at doing a specific thing once you have run through some of the tutorial missions to get used to moving about in general. There are a few things you can do from the off, look to mine in hisec, look to mission run or maybe set up a cheap frigate for a bit of pirate action. Personally I would suggest mission running for a bit at first as it will get you used to combat.
If you do decide to sub, spend the first few days building up your learning skills, it is well worth it in the long run.
PS, don't tamper with random cans and wrecks in space as you may end up being flagged for combat by their owners. Avoid using autopilot and when possible (in the early days) use 'warp to within 0m' and then 'dock' at stations as opposed to just selecting 'dock' from light years aways.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
No you don't have to play the mining game, you can start doing missions and work your way up to lvl4 missions and a battleship which pays a lot more with less skill investment than mining does. You can start exploring sites for hacking or skill up to do research points and sell the data cores on the market.
Mining, mission running, PvP are not the only things you do to make money, some require a bit more time and skills to make a good return investment but whatever carrer you plan to go into do some research to find out what is making money.
Sorry your thread was derailed. I have a few tips for you.
Try to find something in the game you think you might like to do, then start training in that direction. Set a goal (such as I want to be able to make 10 million isk in sales in one day) if you want to be a market player, then work towards that goal.
Meanwhile, test other areas of gameplay (such as exploration, or mining, or scamming, or whatever) to see if you might like to head in that direction instead or as well.
Slowly you can figure out what you want to do in the game. You can set goals and work towards them.
Once you've done that, find a corporation whose corp goals are in line with your personal goals. The key to having fun in eve in my opinion is finding a good corporation with great players you really like playing with, who share your personal and group goals.
More specific advice - if you're wanting to fly a titan, you will need to be in a 0.0 corp. You can either train for months / years yourself to get there, or get rich and buy a titan capable character. I'd recommend the latter. Get rich, buy a titan capable pilot, join a 0.0 corp you like, the titan away.
OP, like others suggested, think about what you enjoy. While it is eventually possible to do multiple things, I recommend focusing on a couple at first so your skills can get decent in those areas.
Here are some of the 'career' options
-mining - can be broing imo, but some people like it cause it can be fairly low risk and you can enjoy the scenery while multitasking
-mission running - They are introducing more complex AI with incursion that might make the PVE more interesting, but right now, this is good money
-planet farming - combines well with mining, low barrier to entry
-wormholing - takes a little more to build your skills up for, but is where the good PVE is right now and its good money
-pirating - like wormholing, but if you get friends it can be fun, generally less lucrative
-salvaging - search ninja salvaging, low entry, good money, piss lots of people off OR be a salvager for your corp - split money, but make more friends
-marketeer/shipping - there actually is lots of money to be made by shipping and receiving - it is more complex mentally than hard to get into in game
-complex exploration - one of the few things I've never done in EVE
-group PvP - join a copr and fidn out what they want you to fly - Assault frigs are usually needed and can run level 3 missions as well so that is a probable good option.
"Never met a pack of humans that were any different. Look at the idiots that get elected every couple of years. You really consider those guys more mature than us? The only difference between us and them is, when they gank some noobs and take their stuff, the noobs actually die." - Madimorga
Well, I just purchased an account minutes ago. However, server seems to be offline.
Thanks for the positive oppinions, guys. They mean a lot to me.
I'm interested in a long term investment, so I'll look into the learning skills, as pointed out. Nice tip about the ''warp within 0 m''
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
You will feel like a god when you can fly a fully set up battleship for the first time anyway. Plus your are more in control of that from what I know from supporting titans.
"Never met a pack of humans that were any different. Look at the idiots that get elected every couple of years. You really consider those guys more mature than us? The only difference between us and them is, when they gank some noobs and take their stuff, the noobs actually die." - Madimorga
The server is offline for an hour every day from 20 minutes ago to 40 minutes from now.
Maybe less.
It should be up very shortly. Please feel free to post if you have any more questions about the game.
EDIT:
Oh and yeah what the other poster said about flying a titan, I agree with him that most people grow out of wanting to do that. I have absolutely no desire to fly anything bigger than a battleship. Rather, I like to specialize in smaller ships. PVP at the cruiser level can be absolutely brutal and fun, and supporting your friends in a fight from something like a stealth bomber is always awesome as well.
Point is that small ships are awesome. Ships bigger than a battleship are a burden.
My opinion only of course.
Not sure if they are still there or not, but you can look for a Corp for newbies. Corp tag had University of EVE I think. Not sure been a long time since I played EVE and that newbie Corp was the place to be for newbies and noobs. Thing is that once you join you have the option to stay as long as you like or leave after a year or 2. It is a good learning experience and they have thier own Teamspeak/Vent Servers and give out lessons and they do what is called learning raiding fleet parties and learning fleet mining operations.
The reason I came here to ask for advice is because I'm using this site on a daily basis for news about MMO's and single player games alike.
I was very intrigued by the post from Massively about the 3200 ships battle. Laggy, but epic nonetheless
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I must say I am impressed with the community so far, I got help to get me started on the right track.
As recommended, I bought an Incursus (I'm a Gallente) and fighting looks much better. I just wish I knew how to properly fly around in a battle. But hopefully I'll get used to it in the following days.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Remember that you are in no way restricted to using gallante ships just because you are gallante. There are no bonuses or penalties at all from your character's race. You can train any skill equally well.
I mention this because you may find that other ships suit your playstyle better.
As a general rule:
Gallante ships: get right up in your face and melt it. Best DPS, but by far the hardest to actually apply because of the extremely short range of blasters.
Minmatar ships: versatile, fast and agile, with OK DPS. They also have the best "alpha strike" weapons.
Amarr ships: great big golden armourplated tanks that are really good at burning that guy over there. The go-to ships for fleet battles.
Caldari ships: Long range, low DPS weapons, best E-war, but slow and not always well tanked. In a well organised, pre-prepared fleet, unstoppable, but easy meat when flown by inexperienced players. For various reasons, Caldari ships are generally the best for PvE.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
The EVE community will generally give you back exactly what you bring. Show up ready to learn and put some effort in and you'll usually be showered with help and advice. Show up whining and crying and you'll get scorn, derision and wardecs.
That said, there are plenty of people in EVE who will cheerfully scam and gank you no matter how good your attitude is. I'll repost this, as I do for all threads of this kind:
(1) If you played other MMOs a lot before EVE, try and forget everything you learned in them as much as possible, particularly any expectations you have about other players being limited in how they can interact with you, and even more particularly any ideas about character advancement being the aim of the game rather than just another tool like wealth, assets, game knowledge and friends you can use to advance your goals.
(2) If any warnings pop up, read them.
(3) While you will often be told "trust no-one", that's not quite true. What you should do is treat trusting anyone as if it were gambling. What are the odds? What are the stakes? What can I afford to lose? What's in it for him? Scams and ganks are perfectly legal in EVE, even in hi-sec.
(4) When older players give you advice about fitting ships, for the love of god, at least try following their suggestions.
(5) Don't listen to the morons who will advise you to train nothing but Learning skills to start with. Yes, doing that is more "efficient" when it comes to accumulating SP, but you're paying to play the game. A good rule of thumb is to spend no more than 50% of your training time on Learnings until you have basics at 4, advanced at 3. Then just leave them alone for a month or two.
(6) Don't listen to the people who tell you that you shouldn't leave hi-sec "until you're ready" and then tell you you will need x million SP or y ship class or z amount of ISK. You're "ready" to leave hi-sec when you want to leave hi-sec. I know people who left to live in 0.0 on their second day. I went to 0.0 after about 2 months, and I've frequently wished I went earlier. I would however recommend completing all the tutorials before leaving hi-sec.
(7) Don't listen to the idiot moron griefers who spread the pernicious lie that you need 10/20/40M SP and a Battleship/HAC/Dreadnaught "to be competitive" at PvP. Player skill beats character skill in PVP. The best way for a new player to "compete" at PvP is to get out there and do it. Want to learn to PvP? Join Red vs Blue. They will accept anyone no matter what. They aren't a training corp; they exist purely to provide fun PvP on demand in Hi-sec. You can leave or rejoin at any time. If you get a taste for blood, you can get some great training with Agony Unleashed, who will teach you PVP procedures more formally and thoroughly.
(8) You don't have to grind missions to make ISK. Missioning is the EVE equivalent of being on welfare - a boring, low-level income for people who can't find a real job. This goes double for mining, by the way. There's a huge and complex economy out there, with a lot of opportunities for a thoughtful, alert player with a fast, cheap ship.
(9) Do ALL the tutorials.
(10) Everything I've told you is a cheap dirty lie designed to make you lose your ship to me and quit EVE, because I'm a nasty amoral griefer who doesn't want filthy noobs like you cluttering up my nice, l33t game.
Welcome to EVE.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Ok. I was In your shoes just few months ago.
Probably the best and easiest way would be to create Caldari race (or at least to fly to Caldari space) and start flying their ships.
They are perfect for running missions (quests) , and you will soon start earning credits at great speed.
What many people never say, EVE is all about credits. Everything is very expensive. From ships to skills.
So better start earning and fast.
As for corporation. Best is that you join either EVE university or none.
So true, I've been there for a very short time (their channel) and I learned a lot. They are great people, shame this game isn't more popular. It is the exact opposite of WoW, where you rush to end game for raiding and pvp, whereas in EVE I'm taking my time to do all sort of things, I don't feel any urge to speed through the content.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
It's not that small. Despite it's niche audience and fairly small size relative to WoW, it still has more subs than many of the mainstream MMO's that end up failing horribly. EVE has about 350k sub's these days and has been showing constant growth since launch in 2003. It's probably the only game in MMO history to be around for 7 years and still be gaining subs at a regular rate, aside from perhaps WoW.
Regardless, you have the right attitude. Some people go into EVE thinking they need to rush to what they perceive as the "end game" and end up spending all their time training skills, doing nothing, and quitting. Just do what you want to do and have fun. Play the game. Your skills will train as you play and you'll barely even notice. EVE isn't a game where you play just for the sake of advancing some xp bar- EVE is a game you play for fun and your skills catch up with you while you're doing it.
Find what you enjoy, and do it. That's what it's all about.
Since you specified you want to fly a Titan, I suggest the following:
Do the additional tutorials located under the help menu. There is one for military and a second for advance military. This will help get you free skill books as well as some isk plus it will give you something to do while you are training the starting skills. Once you have done that, I suggest doing level 1 KILL missions as that will get you familiar with combat as well as getting familiar with your ships and equipment as well as ranges and how speed affects you. You can use http://eve-agents.com/ to find some agents. Most people will generally do kill missions for one of the four major factions. Amarr Navy, Caldari Navy, Federation Navy (Gallente), Republic Fleet (Minmatar). Easiest to choose the same faction as your race as you will have less distance to travel.
Secondly, Download Evemon as it is a useful tool to have. Google it and you will see a download from battleclinic. Evemon is a skill planning tool and it can also optimise your skill training so that you learn skills faster. This is most useful for new players (less helpful for higher skilled players). Install evemon, enter your API key (not to be confused by your username and password) by going to the link provided in the app itself when adding a new character. Start a new plan and add a cruiser (preferably one of the same faction as you as you will already have some skills towards it). Add the cruiser to the skill plan and on the bottom left should be blue link with the word suggestion. If you click this, it will optimise your skill training and reduces your skill learning time any from a few hours to a few days.
The second thing you need to know about evemon is that there is a loadout option where others have posted their ship fittings and other players rate it. This is also useful for new players who don't know what to fit a ship with. The higher the rating, the better the fit. Just keep in mind that you will still need to tweak you ship fitting to suit who and what you are fighting.
YOu will want a skill training for cruisers so you can do level 2 kill missions. You will also want to add one for battleships level 3s and 4s. I usually skip battlecruisers but if you want to learn battlecruisers, add that in for level 3. You will most likely need a battleship (BS) for level 4s. While you are doing missions, try hunt around for a PvP corp which will recruit you. Most Nullsec corp/alliances require a 10mil in combat related skills.
So your skill plans will probably start with cruisers, then battleships, carriers (or dreadnaughts), super carriers, titans. Getting to Titans will take a long time to learn (probably over a year, welcome to Eve!) so you may want to add things in between which catches your interest.
If you need additional help, PM me with your character name, and I will add you to a friendlist and try help where possible.
Melbourne Developer Group Recruitment - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/328931/Melbourne-Game-Development-Group-Recruitment.html
I'm like that, although I now have a character which I started in 2007. Its primarily an industrial but I have at least 52.2mil skill points, so A lot of the stuff no longer take that long to learn as I have quite a range of them. Yet I still can't fly a carrier because of all those sidetrack. Although I wasn't aiming for a carrier to begin with anyway.
Melbourne Developer Group Recruitment - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/328931/Melbourne-Game-Development-Group-Recruitment.html
I recommend anyone new to the game spend some time in a training corp. Eve University will teach you a lot. If you want to do piracy then there are pirate training corps too. Sniggwaffe comes to mind...
Having a training corp in your employment history looks really good to 0.0 corporations. Most will waive skill requirments if a pilot spent a few months in a training corp.
What's a 0.0 corp you mentioned about?
Not too familiar with the ratings yet. All I know is positive means on the law side and negative will keep you locked in unpatrolled sectors for fear of NPc ships repercussions.
Least, I know that applies to players
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
This is something you will want to know fairly early on. In eve, the systems are split into 4 categories usually. Highsec, lowsec, and nullsec, w-space.
As the name implies, highsec means its high security systems. These are systems with a security of .5 to 1 and the colour of the security is usually green/blue or some shades of it (I think yellow is also highsec). While you are relatively safe, this doesn't mean you are 100% safe. Should someone open fire on you, they will have concord destroying their ship fairly quickly. There are exceptions of course. If you opened fire on them, they can kill you without concord interference. There is 15mins timer from when you last agressed someone. Stealing from someone will also mean they can attack you. If you are wardec (means a corporation/alliance has declared war on your corp/alliance), then fighting is allowed between the two corp/alliances once the 24 hr warning period is over.
Lowsec are from 1. to .4 and is represented by shades of orange. This means pvp is allowed without concord interering, but your security with the faction owners will decrease. So for example, if you are in amarr lowsec, you can open fire and kill someone (think piracy), but your security will decrease. If your security drops below -5, then you will be flagged as a pirate, and the next time you enter highsec, the navy for that faction will open fire on you (for example, the amarr navy patrolling the gates).
Nullsec are 0.0 system security and are full pvp zones. Most nullsec are player owned although there are a few regions which are NPC owned such as outer ring. Alliance will claim those regions, but they are not allowed to claim the systems in those regions which in turns mean they cannot build capital ships such as super carriers / titans.
The last is what's called w-space. These are also 0.0, but are basically found by going through worm-holes. You cannot claim the system either, but w-space are where the t3 stuff are found.
Finding an 0.0 corp/alliance (or nullsec corp/alliance) means finding a corp/alliance that are based in the nullsec areas. They virtually live there and only ventures back into highsec for some stuff or to sell their loot. These tend to be mainly PvP and joining them will not be as easy since they will need to consider about security. If they allowed newly created players in, they are potentially allowing spies into their alliance, which is why most of them require you to have at least decent skillpoints and fighting knowledge. There are quite a few, and I won't be able to recommend any since I am not a nullsec player at this time.
Melbourne Developer Group Recruitment - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/328931/Melbourne-Game-Development-Group-Recruitment.html
The best place to begin is with the newbie corp that the game puts you in, chatting.
You really have got to be fearless, at the moment you've nothing to lose really, dont be afraid to ask dumb questions and dont be afraid stick up for yourself in the face of idots, people will respect you more.
Eve can get quite boring, the only thing which makes it exciting are the people around you... so thats where you start! Be sure to make it a good start! Dont accept the first corp invite you get, make some friends FIRST. some of the most succesfull corporations are born from newbies banding together and forming their own corp.
I'll not make any comments on titans since I dont really like flying anything bigger than a battleship. But no matter what your goal is in Eve, being well aquainted is the key to everything.
Truth right there. Communication is everything in EVE, although you can play single as well if you wish. It is just more fun with other players!
Keep on rockin'!