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Are pick up groups viable?
Shari
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Just wonderd if people are forming pick up groups to level and if so is it hard to get in one?, or are people only grouping in there linkshells?
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Most people form pick up groups via the Party search interface.
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Most people will look to LS first, and then if they need more people, they would look to the LFG tool.
No, most people who party grind join pick up groups.
For example if I go to ffxivpro.com and look up everyone my range I have partied with the majority of them in a pick up a group at some point.
The only other game I have played that this was true was FFXI. That's how you build a server community.
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"I don't know how to use the party search feature"
You aren't invited to groups you ask to join them. The party search feature is great and obviously enough people have figured it out that there are regular groups every single time I log in.
To use the party search interface you go to menu>party>search, under Target you select the class you want to search as. After this you will get a listing of all the parties searcingh for people your rank. If you do not see a party go to one of these camps and see if there is already a party there (and ask if you can join), if the camp is free start a recruitment of your own. Giving the location as the nearest camp, setting the rank requirements, and putting a short message about what you are hunting (depending on the time possibly translating some of the message such as the mob name/location into other languages).
There is no need or reason for you ever to use shout to organize starting a party... I really don't get this, I'd understand if you wanted to form a party exlusively of people you knew but then you simply send them tells and organize this way. Since you are resorting to shouting to form a group why not use the interface for grouping instead of spamming chat until someone asks you to join them, it's really very minimal effort on your end I don't see what your big deal is.
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I know on the Wutai server, a LS was created just for the purpose of LFG/LFM. Alot of people have there own social LS. But will use the LFG/LFM LS to look for more members. Most social guilds have been given the ability to hand out pearls for the LFG/LFM LS.
And yes, pugs are viable. Since no dungeon requires any type of mechanics to work around, we usually just form up around an area that has a large spawn count and start killing things.
Depends on what you mean by "viable." FFXIV's team mechanics do strike me as a bit off in that you're usually fighting your other party members through the latency in the interface in order to try to get some skill xp before the mobs are killed by them.
I was wondering about this, but then I see your a melee who've never leveled Conjurer.
That rule above doesn't apply. If you're a conjurer standing near a party grinding Raptors or Efts at some camp, you may as well keep on moving. It only takes one conjurer (or one Thaumaturge for that matter) to AoE heal that whole party. You also are usually butting in on someone's friend conjurer's SP gains, so they won't take you.
If you're a Conjurer in this game, leaders will not invite you if they have one or two already, so you have to do whatever hustling you can to get invited, which includes shouting.
Since more than one conjurer in a party is a bad thing to the other conjurers (melees don't care, they still get points no matter who the extra body is that joins) the other conjurers in the party will not like or stand for recruiting more.
Right now, there is a glut on melees but they usually stack 6-8 deep in each party, leaving fewer of them for conjurers to group with.
Especially now that the servers are getting pretty bare.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Even SE admits that game is failing atm and most people complain about the search for party function. Murugan you're the only one in the world saying that the search function atm is perfect, it's useless when even the creators admit the flaws and gave free month again. I played 6 years FFXI and 90% of the time I made the parties and never had an issue problem is those good people from 11 are not liking ffxiv and the ones that play atm are not group friendly. Only groups I've seen so far have same LS crest meaning pick up groups are almost impossible and communication at this time is = to 0. It's not spamming when you communicate with someone, it is spamming when you say the same shit over and over but not when you ask 1 thing and continue with something else.
I decided to continue play even after free month cause the nov/dec updates look like will fix lot of the issues I had, but at current state you can't say anything in game is good or working fine cause it's a lie.
Umm actually, I agree with Murugan on this one. I find a team using the in game interface/search function daily - and without delay usually. Its a fairly easy system to use once you learn it. And I'm a healer too, so the idea healers can't find teams doesn't fit what I see every day in game even with the reduction in playerbase. Not saying you guys are wrong, but your saying Murugan is when I see it pretty much the same way he does in game. Sure I have LS teams too, but I hit PUGs every day when I get home from work for the first 2-3 hours. Maybe you all just play different servers, different times of day, or your not very friendly or good at your job or something.
Hi, I'm rank 36, and I haven't played much in two weeks because of work. What rank are you? As I said in my first post on this forum if I go to ffxivpro.com and search for everyone on Selbina in my range I have grouped with the majority of them.
You can't figure out how to use the search system. Most people my rank can and do use it all the time. I understand some new people to the game might have some time getting adjusted to it, but the search system does work and pick up groups are the vast majority of grind parties.
You are spamming when you assume the entire chat channel (the assumption being the entire server) needs to hear about everytime you need something. Spam is unwanted or unsolicited information.
You need a group so your first reaction is to spam (and 6 years in XI didn't teach you better?) why do you resort to spamming first when you have a feature entirely made just for people who want to randomly party together?
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Party search function works, could be improved but most of the time works an will throw you in a party.
Try linkshell Party. With a good linkshell you will have so much going on you will forget about party search function.
Ask around Aeth crystals, there is always people wanting to group there. Go to gate's 30+ areas all have people standing around waiting to group up an go kill. keep adding more people in the party more an more until you have 2-15 players.
If this many people are having this many different problems with the system, it shows there IS a problem. Not sure how you didn't catch that one.
It could be you are such a low level (under 20) that the search feature isn't a big deal and tons of people to find. I'm past 35 and I assure you, that search feature for a Conjurer past that level is worthless.
It could be that you've just hit the search parties precisely at the right time, making you the luckiest individual on the planet. Or it could be you play a facefoll class like Pugilist that gets accepted the minute they pop search, so now the party has 7 Pugilists, 1 Glad and 1 Thaumaturge spamming AoE cures.
But I agree, the reason the search is fail isn't due to one thing, re are many reasons that it failseven if it's the simple truth that MOST PEOPLE are simply too stupid to use it properly, that shows it's a problem with the design that makes it unaccessible to MOST people.
The few in your situation may get along just fine, but it's not designed for a few people.
This reminds me of other arguments who say the population isn't too bad because it's at around 1,000 not realizing that SE counts RETAINERS as part of the population.
So when someone is bragging that we had over 1,000 people on (which isn't bragworthy anyway) there's a good chance that 500 or so of those aren't even real.
They are just standing around in an underground tunnel selling junk.
"TO MICHAEL!"
That's whats wrong with the party search. It works 'sometimes' under optimal conditions matching people up properly, and only if they are the right class.
You know there is a problem with the core mechanic of your game when some of the best ideas to get a group is to mill around a Aethernode hoping to get invited like a Mexican illegal standing around at Home Depot hoping to get some work at 4:30 in the morning.
"TO MICHAEL!"
This is wrong, that is not how groups are formed. Groups are not formed around Aetherytes unless they are for guildleves for that Aetheryte maybe, most groups are formed via the search interface.
People do not set searches for specific classes very often, they have recruitment open to a certain number of DoM and DoW it 'always' works, people use it all the time and they get groups very easily doing it this way. I do not know a single person my rank who does not understand or can't use the group search function, I'd be suprised if there were any 30+ who had not used it to get a party.
I've had a pick up group through the search interface at all the camps listed in my guide in my signature, every single one of them I joined through the search interface. If you don't play the game stay out of the discussion about how it works.
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Next you'll be saying HE doesn't play the game either, lol.
Stop thinking you know everything because you play the facefroll SP gaining class, mmkay?
It'll be nice when you get your nerf in January so you can start posting threads looking for how to gain SP, instead of now just getting thrown into a party with no work attached, lol.
Pugilists... nothing to complain about whatsover. Please go away.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I wouldn't mind him much, mate.
He's playing Pugilist, the FASTEST SP gaining class in this game bar none, and he's STILL only level 36.
Now watch him try and claim he's got "skillz" and thats how he got to 36, lol.
All a Pug has to do in FFXIV is simply hit Button Number 1 over and over, and they outgain anyone. Any pugilist claiming otherwise is lying because its the no skill class. Let him try to play a Marauder or Gladiator thaf far, and I might give him some credit to think he's some type of guru. But Pugilist? There's no credit for playing that and trying to advise someone else on how to get parties for SP gains.
It's always funny to see the OP classes act like they are authorities in MMOs, when anyone can do what they do.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Lol you really don't know anything about this game at all if you think that one class outgains all others in a party setting. Sorry, maybe you are still stuck on 1-20. As I've said multiple times my advice is on how to get parties, I get parties every single time I log in. I use the search function, everyone my rank uses the search function.
Me being a Pugilist has nothing to do with the topic which is "are pick up groups viable" once again, yes they are viable, yes most people use them to form groups. Most of them doing this with the party search interface. Also where you get Pugilists (or any class being overpowered in terms of SP gained is beyond me, but since you double posted it I guess it must be true!) just like your ridiculous claim that Square counts retainers under people online under party search. Which anyone can see is not true by simply going into a market ward and opening up party, and seeing that all of those retainers do not show up as "Nearby".
If anyone is interested in how classes gain SP please take a look at an actual factual source of information such as:
http://www.ffxivpro.com/achievements/job
So I guess that means Conjurer is the FASTEST SP GAINING CLASSS IN THE GAME BAR NONE!!! CAPITAL LETTERS AND DOUBLE POSTING MEANS I'M RIGHT!!!
Or search by rank/job, which can be a helpful tool at times when locating a certain class for your party.
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lmao funny but it ain't that hard to get a party XD. but if you ask you will be suprised
but def not how they are formed lol
The way the broken SP system is set up means you get a chance to get SP every time you do an action that can get SP. Pug is the quickest attacker so they get the most chances to gain. By pressing 1, your quickest attack, over and over, you get the most chances to gain SP.
I mean you really don't think Pug gains sp faster than other jobs? Does this go along with your theory that FFXIV has more and better content than other games?
Do us a favor and the next party session, ask your teammates the amount of SP they got. Compare it to what you got. Be amazed.
Don't cheat though and play like you normally do.
Also, if you feel like learning how the game works for your job better, try doing a battle in a party just hitting quick strike for a few fights, then compare it to how you nomally play. See which one gives you more SP and then ask yourself why SE would design the game so retardedly.
That's not even close to being true. I do compare with people because I level with them pretty much daily and have for well over a month now.
So you think that everyone just spams basic actions? That might be true in the few failed groups that you have gotten, the problem with this however is that whiel the mobs die so slow that everyone (or I'm sorry JUST the pugilists) get 500 skill the sp/hour is much lower.
The way SP actually works is that you are awarded SP for actions, with special actions giving more than basic, and high damage giving more than both. Heals also give SP based on the amount of HP healed (which is why AOE healing is more beneficial and actually the best way to get SP on most fights as long as the healers aren't overhealing on top of oneanother). The most efficient parties I have been (topping 20k sp/hour) were the result of everyone doing their job properly and to the best of their ability. If this strategy isn't working for your group the reason is likely that you are fighting too easy enemies or have a problem with your setup (not that you didn't chose the "easy mode class").
Once again back on topic yes pick up groups are viable, the best way to find these groups is by using the search function, if that fails you might want to check out the camps in person and ask if you can join a party which has stopped recruiting or you may need to form your own first with people you know, then opening it on search to fill it out. This is how the majority of people group in FFXIV despite what a few trolls with limited experience and and endless supply of hate will lead you to believe.
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I done it also myself, I can attack a mob once with an arrow an get more sp than most people in the group before as an archer an it was only the final shot of like 10% life left. it doesn't work that way. Tally balance group system it seems sorta atm, jobs won't grant you any special Sp bonus just because you hit more. There are some flaws with that too at times but getting rank 50. Over a course of 2 hours of fighting in a group you all eventually gain about the same amount of SP. Rank range also does effect your Sp so you have to watch everything. You will see groups being made for certain ranges all throughout the game so the group benefits fairly. With that all said the system is being changed anyhow with this said an the grouping environment. I think it would change increase current system more because its really not a smashed up system just maybe needs lil more adjustments.
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cb4dc09784bc24b4fde2e45de9f018ec5fb504d2
Adjustments to combat balance
Adjustments to enmity rates
Adjustments to physical and magical accuracy rates
Adjustments to how skill points are awarded
I wouldn't mind him much, mate.
He's playing Pugilist, the FASTEST SP gaining class in this game bar none, and he's STILL only level 36.
Now watch him try and claim he's got "skillz" and thats how he got to 36, lol.
All a Pug has to do in FFXIV is simply hit Button Number 1 over and over, and they outgain anyone. Any pugilist claiming otherwise is lying because its the no skill class. Let him try to play a Marauder or Gladiator thaf far, and I might give him some credit to think he's some type of guru. But Pugilist? There's no credit for playing that and trying to advise someone else on how to get parties for SP gains.
It's always funny to see the OP classes act like they are authorities in MMOs, when anyone can do what they do.
Lol you really don't know anything about this game at all if you think that one class outgains all others in a party setting. Sorry, maybe you are still stuck on 1-20. As I've said multiple times my advice is on how to get parties, I get parties every single time I log in. I use the search function, everyone my rank uses the search function.
Me being a Pugilist has nothing to do with the topic which is "are pick up groups viable" once again, yes they are viable, yes most people use them to form groups. Most of them doing this with the party search interface. Also where you get Pugilists (or any class being overpowered in terms of SP gained is beyond me, but since you double posted it I guess it must be true!) just like your ridiculous claim that Square counts retainers under people online under party search. Which anyone can see is not true by simply going into a market ward and opening up party, and seeing that all of those retainers do not show up as "Nearby".
If anyone is interested in how classes gain SP please take a look at an actual factual source of information such as:
http://www.ffxivpro.com/achievements/job
So I guess that means Conjurer is the FASTEST SP GAINING CLASSS IN THE GAME BAR NONE!!! CAPITAL LETTERS AND DOUBLE POSTING MEANS I'M RIGHT!!!
Or search by rank/job, which can be a helpful tool at times when locating a certain class for your party.
If you'd like to pretend Pugilist doesn't level faster than any other class, nor has an easier time getting parties than classes like Archers or Conjurers, that's your business, lol.
Anyone playing this game knows otherwise.
Actually, look at your jobs. It's pretty evident why you're sticking with Pugilist. Lancer does more damage than Pugilist, so they have to tone it down or if they get behind that mob it's over. Pugilist can sit there and pucnh on macros usings one skill.. the basic attack. Since they hit so much faster than anyone else, as long as they are connecting they are making insane SP. You didn't know that after 36 levels?
Now add in when they so actual skills, their SP gain is stupidly OP.
Conjurer is not the fastest SP class, but again.. you don't know that. There was a bug at launch and all those Japanese conjurers used to group up and AoE everything. The bug allowed them all to get SP based on someone else's nuke. That was a confirmed BUG. But again, you didn't know that. That has been fixed and overnerfed to a point where if you are bringing more than two Conjurers in a group, they don't get SP anywhere near what anyone else gets.
Your glasses are rose colored if you think you've seen more than 3 conjurers or Thaumaturges in any party, but you DO see more than 4 Pugilists (I've seen 6) in a party and none of them complain about SP, haha! In fact, they were asking to get more melees to join.
Conjurer is one of the most complained about classes in this game due to bad SP, you seriously are gonna argue that and claim I know nothing? Wake up friend.
And again, the other guy even said it as well "stand by the aether.. there are always people around looking for a party". You don't think he said that just to side with me and make you look like a liar, do you? It's because that's how parties are done because the /seach feature os badly designed.
I'm a fan of the game but Mother of Ganhdi man,,, take off those rose glasses, lol.
(did you seriously link a Conjurer to show it's that 'fastest leveling job', haha?)
It's okay.. SOMEONE always has to play the no-brained, no skill OP class in every game. This game you picked it, no shame. (probably why you switched off from Lancer, lol)
"TO MICHAEL!"
Pug may attack fast true but pug are one of the least classes I played that have TP skills on single targets (Only 1, well 2 if you count victimize).
True pug can spam heavy strike but don't think you get 100 sp with it more like 20-30 each time you execute it while a TP skill will give you 80-150 sp.
Also spamming in this game is not a good idea since stamina regens so slow and don't tell me heavy strike uses low stamina because it's not true you can maybe use it like 4-5 times before your stamina is empty then you have to wait like a stupid for the stamina to regen.
So please play a pug before talking.
Thanks.
Speaking of fails and don't realize it...
Everyone does the job "to the best of their ability", lol?
Do you realize what would happen if an Archer 'did his job to the best of his ability?" The mob would start dying 3X faster than it does now, or do you know know the DPS power of Archers? Now add two archers in a party.
What about if a Lancer did all the combos it's "supposed to" to kill mobs fast? Between those two jobs, the mobs would last a few seconds if they did that. Lancers do sick spike damage. Now add two of those.
Now what do you think would happen if everyone did that to the "best of their ability?"
That's right, less SP because the mobs died too fast. The Gladiator would have to tell them to slow down because his SP isn't as much because he's not getting a chance to keep hate. You really think everyone in this game tries to kill the mob "as best they can" when fighting raptors and efts? Are you sleeping during your exp sessions or what?
Conjurers are sitting there spamming three skills or four skills.. wanna know what they are? Cure (AoE, Sacrifice (AoE), Shell AoE (for Efts), Protect AoE (for Raptors). Now go look at the Con/Thaumaturge skills at 36-40 and you tell me everyone is doing their job to their best ability.
This game, unlike other MMOs, punishes you for being too efficient and doing the 'best job. Conjs and Thaus can nuke and half the time get 0 SP, but the mob's health is still going down from the nuke. That's not efficient so they don't do it all exp session; maybe a few times out of boredom but they don't sit there and nuke to kill a mob. There's no SP in that. Then look at their skills, they can nuke a mob down pretty fast if that stuff all landed but they aren't using those.
The only class that's doing what you claim is YOU, like it's been said. Pug can use every skill in it's bank and not have to worry about "overkilling" the mob because you are built for LONG TERM STEADY DPS, not spike. So wake up for the third time, lol. You have no idea what you're talking about when you claim everyone is trying to kill the mob. You're the only class really trying to do it. Stop pretending you've played all thse other classes and know what's going on.
Look at the official forums, and see if you or I are the one that's pretty much telling the common story. Everyone knows Pugs can just normal attack and get what Cons get healing.
Hell, half the time the tank and MAYBE two people are the only ones getting hit, because some retard Pug is stunning the mob or some retard Lancer is stealing the mob's TP moves so peopole get hit less, lol. I find it fitting you play BOTH of those classes.. pretty ironic.
Everyone else is trying to prop it up, string it along and keep it alive long enough to suck more SP out of it before it dies. If they go and do what you suggest, half of them would get NO SP.
You haven't realized it after 36 levels so I'll tell you the secret to FFXIV. The goal isn't to kill the mob as fast as you can to "the best of your ability". SP is based on how much you HIT that mob, not how fast it dies because "everyone is doing their job to the best of their ability", lol. That's pretty funny.
Please stick to the bad advice about getting parties. You shouldn't even be doing that based on what you finally admitted (which I suspected all along), you got a static exp grind group already. So you know nothing of "LFG".
The OP wasn't asking how was your static's SP, he's asking about GETTING parties on a daily basis as a solo player which again, you don't seem to have that problem if you ALREADY have a static like you do (for weeks), lol.
"TO MICHAEL!"