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will there ever be a DAOC 2
kangum
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seriously will there ever be a DAOC 2. I want a 3 realm rvr with battlegrounds. NO Trial of Atlantis type crap. I miss the rvr of daoc. WAR doesnt even come close to what im looking for. I want to be part of huge battles and standoffs not scenerios. it seems as if no game rvr can compare to what daoc was. I watched daoc slowly get destroyed over time and im sad to see it in such a state. Bring me Daoc 2 but with a gear cap thats easy to hit. have rvr thats based more on skills. please do something the current pvp state of the majority of mmorpgs are in a sad state.
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i hope so..never got to experience DAOC in its prime days, so i would like to see a new one..only if its not junk like asherons call 2 was
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Mythic was ravaged and destroyed by EA.
So no. No DACO2.
Guild Wars 2 looks like the closest thing we've got on the horizon.
Warhammer Online was DAOC2 basically. Didn't like it? Well.. sorry, that often happens with sequels.
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I doubt it
A game could copy DAoC to perfection, but the mindset of pvp'ers has changed dramatically since then. Very unlikely anyone is going to have a sense of realm pride, or fight hours upon hours over keeps even after a wipe, if indeed they show up at all.
The community in DAoC even today, is not what it was years back.
pretty much.
The mindset of current gamers is far removed from what it used to be in the early 2000's. I miss those days.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
World PvP in GW2 is a hope for some form of "daoc 2":
Colin Johanson:
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014633/Classic-Game-Postmortem
Short answer... NO
Will there ever be a DAoC 2?
I sure hope so but the chances are slim.
To start with, Mythic doesn't exist anymore, it dug it's own grave with Warhammer. Thus someone else would have to make the game, probably running into all sorts of copyright and IP problems. Even if EA would somehow revive the DAoC franchise I doubt that the result would be anything like what DAoC was.
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Well Planetside 2 is on its way, so there is always hope. I wish they just spiced it up a little and gave it some new graphics.
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If there is, it will not be made by Mythic. The day that Mark Jacobs left Mythic was the death of all creative thinking. Maybe he will pull a Brad McQuaid and make a new studio and develop a DAOC 2 but not called DAOC 2.
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How do we even know it was Mark Jacobs that made DAOC great and not 3 or 4 underlings of his at Mythic that he just took credit for?
He fucked up Warhammer so bad I wouldn't be surprised if the things that made DAOC great came from some no name interns working under him. Find those people and put them to work on a new mmo.
No.
Although balance was always swaying from one realm to another, the game offered an amazing amount of synergies and had a niche for nearly any size group of players. The game was rewarding on the pvp front not only for the "Bragging" rights of having the realm points, but your name was listed on different leaderboards on the herald, and the communities for each server made pvp that much more rewarding.
Perhaps it's rose colored glasses, but DAoC was without fail my most favorite game of all time. A well spent 6 years of my gaming life was spent in that world.
Apophus - Maestrok
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With the amount of money these companies get now to create these games it astonishes me how simplistic they stay. DAOC had 3 realms with i dunno 10 unique classes each with 2-3 different builds. Now all we get is 2 factions with mirrored classes of like 8 total and minimal build options. You pvp against someone of the same class as you with all the same skills the only difference being skin color.
So no we wont get a daoc 2. Mark Jacobs was obviously not the brains behind daoc it must have been Matt Firor. WAR is such a pathetic game compared to daoc and Mythic is gutted.
We can always hope maybe someone like us who loved daoc will build a game that can improve on its concepts. But i doubt it.
3 Faction PvP yes, DAOC 2 no.
Emergence Online is striving to be...
Ultima Online + Dark Age of Camelot + Unique Concepts - Open FFA PvP.
Yea I know, there's not much to UO without open FFA PvP...but to me there is. DAoC's battlegrounds and new frontiers are a must!
But unfortunately, there are 1 + 3 realms. One being Humans, while the other 3 being Monster Realms (Forest, Undead, Greenskin). And the 3 are interchangable, so in some ways it is 1v1.
But...most PvP is 1v1 or 1v1v1. There is no 1v2 or 1v3. The Monster Realms are always against one another, as are the humans. And it will only be by popular request for there to ever be a 1v1v1v1.
The majority of adventures are 1v1, with a lot of 1v1v1 Battlegrounds.
DAoC was #1 in my book.
UO was #2.
Also DAoC has taught us many amazing classes...
It may be a year(s) away, and will definitely NOT be DAoC 2...but it is coming.
If being a developer means being quiet, mature, well-spoken, and disconnected from the community, then by all means do me a favor and believe I'm not one.
I don't believe this is true at all.
The reason the DAoC community is not the same is because 99% of the population is gone. The only ones left are old 40 year old women who sound like marge simpson. The age demographic alone is enough to make DAoC's bitter veteran (and dead) population very different. Youth and Desperate Housewives need not flood a game (WoW) but youth IS required to bring life into a game. That is what DAoC is missing right now. Realm pride sometimes requires narrow-minded, brash, intelligent youth.
I digress, but oOne of my favorite types of people to play with are young teenagers who have skill. Why? Besides the obvious that adults are often boring, but that MMO's now-a-days encourage no one to talk in groups. In Vanguard or EQ2, grouping with others showed the quiet mime-ing of today's rush-and-forget-the-fun games.
It doesn't make sense to me. In Ultima Online, I'd put people's heads on a list in my character profile. In MMO's today, when someone pisses me off they try to befriend me the next moment. I end up scratching my head thinking "Who the **** are you?" With teenagers, it's not a problem. They're unapologetic assholes who you get extreme pleasure from slicing their heads off. Adults actually try to reason and befriend one another--- wtf?!?!
Without narrow-minded idealists, realm pride is a thing of the past. A community which reasons and befriends one another means a community which will log on Midgard one moment, only to /tell the Albion who killed them "Good job! Want to group?"
Only an idiotic, blind, underdeveloped teenager would do the same thing but say instead, "YOU MOTHER @#$@#ER YOU HACKED ME IM GONNA #$#@ING MURDER YOU!!! MIDGARD FOREVER!!! MIDGARD FTW!!" followed by a rally among Midgard to go assault Albion's keeps- because the teenager is the only person outgoing enough to actually TALK in /shout.
Oh. That and the fact being killed by an Albion was perhaps the worst thing that has EVER happened in that teenager's life. Ever.
If being a developer means being quiet, mature, well-spoken, and disconnected from the community, then by all means do me a favor and believe I'm not one.
Well, the guy himself had some creative but unrealistic ideas for WAR, and he let them all be cut out.
He and Brad would both need another guy, they both have good ideas but would need a great programmer that knows what can and can't be done.
The same thing goes BTW for Bill Roper, the reason Diablo was such a great game was because he was teamed up with Jeff Strain, who is a brilliant programmer and know what can and can't be done.
The best game needs both a visionary and a realist. Having MJ and Barnett teamed up was incredible bad since Barnett is as far from a realist you can get. Brad isn't much better, that is why Vanguard flunked even though it had great ideas.
So if MJ teams up with the right guy he can go back to making good games, but by himself I fear he will just make another SIGIL.
As for DaoC2 it is possible that it will be made but most of the devs in that case would be from Bioware. That could be good or really bad, and it really depends on how well TOR goes. If TOR do well EA will surely put money into a new project and DaoC 2 is together with a Dragon age MMO the most 2 likely projects.
If TOR fails the best thing to hope for would be that someone else buy the IP, possibly MJ with backing from some known publisher house but the chance for that is really slim.
This.
UNfortunatly, while we are quick to point out how Game devs have changed for the worse, we fail to turn the same light upon ourselves. Gamers have changed from those days, IM afraid the days of Camelot have truely become a legend that will never been seen again.
Oh, and DIE HIBBIES!!
RIP Torrential: Hunter (Pendragon)
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
I think the answer is no. I hope the answer is yes. But the problems working against a DAOC2 are so great that it'll be highly unlikely for years. First, the market wasn't congested when DAoC came out. You could have things like keep ports that have a five minute wait and we'd be fine with that in 2004. Today we wouldn't. Those are the things to keep in mind. We socialized because we were actually forced to do so. Solo was impossible with some classes and nothing was ever easy. The gutted version of DAOC today is an example of what they would do.
In regards to Devs, I disagree with most here. I do think Mark J had some great ideas, but I think it was the combination of who he hired, their indie status, and having original properties that created it. Having to work with the "Warhammer" property (I think) was not their thing. I think WoW was much too entrenched in their minds at the time too.
Also, Realm pride is not like server pride (GW2), though I understand the point. There was something about fighting for Midgaurd culture/society that inspired players to fight for it. I think it was the longhouses. It's actually a pretty fascinating case study on social psychology. I fought for Hibernia because I loved the mythology, culture of Irish/celtic folklore. Same could be said about the Norse. I just don't see the current "evolution" of players leaning towards something so niche and esoteric.
I don't think I'd want a sequel now. I want it to come out when the MMO genre gets more...solidified, I guess.
It was said by the EAweasal person that the project that was suppose to be DAOC 2 was canceled to support Warhammer. I doubt they will bring it back since they are helping with SW:TOR.
That is true, but serverpride isn't better or worse. Fighting for your realm or server are both great ideas that makes PvP more fun since you are fighting for something larger than yourself.
To be honest would realm Vs realm be an awesome addition to GW2 even though it kinda goes against the lore, at least until they release Cantha also.
GW2 is a rather different game from DaoC however and I think there is room for a DaoC 2 as long as they get a few competent programmers to work on it, coding was not DaoC strongest side and if DaoC 2 should have a chance it would have to be better in that aspect.
But until someone releases DaoC 2 or something similar I have a feeling GW2 is the only option for R vs R even if it is "serverpride" you fight about. I could see myself playing both those games actually.
Too bad so few companies try RvR, it is a really fun addition to arenas and battlegrounds.
Will we see DAOC 2 that will be anywhere near the fun of DAOC? My opinion: I doubt it.
Will we ever see a true three-realm game with tough PVE and tougher RvR that has realm pride? My opinion: Maybe - if one or a number of well-bankrolled fans of this type of game get together, form a vision and create it themselves. Otherwise no - no major studio is likely to touch it - I believe they would perceive it as too risky an investment. That is, why would they create a MMO that they would need to constantly assess and balance while at the same time trying to keep their playerbase happy and growing? I think they would prefer to use that time to create another title, hype it, and then rake in the dough before abandoning the game.
A few other comments:
1) Planetside 2 is coming? I would like to see some evidence of that from some reputable source posting in 2010 before I believe that.
2) Nice to see that Mark Jacobs has fans here. I, on the other hand, have the opposite opinion.