It seems to me like you all think it is your right to a fair chance at a beta key.
These keys are being given away FREE by mmorpg.com and allow you FREE access to ALL of RIFTS betas. You are paying neither "company" anything therefore why is it that you feel that you DESERVE more than other people to benefit off either of these companies charity?
Sure if you paid mmorpg.com a sum of money each month, then it could be said that the site owes you something, perhaps if you'd given thousands of $$ in donations to RIFTS then you could perhaps deserve a key.
Instead mmorpg.com has provided you with a free website containing up to date game information and a free forum, charged no one anything, you guys have happily used the website and forum to a large extent and now when they host a giveaway you all complain as if mmorpg.com owes you something and that they deserve to make it fairer for you.
Let me put it this way, mmorpg.com and RIFTS don't owe anyone here anything, so to speak, what they are doing is in a sense charity therefore don't be arrogant enough to think that you deserve more of a chance than anyone else, it is all simply a gift that you might have a chance of obtaining and if you don't obtain it then it's not like you'll have lost anything!
/RANT (I do believe I just repeated myself a few times )
I don't think I am owed anything, but I DO think giving away beta keys and then only have a CHANCE for beta is misleading.
Don't hand away keys if you don't have place for someone. It's like selling 1000 theatre tickets for a theatre which has 500 places. It's just not right. And on top all too often we Europeans are either shut out entirely from betas or get a chance 2 days before launch or such.
Except they aren't selling anything and you aren't buying anything. It is like giving away 1000 theatre tickets for a theatre with 500 seats where you want a specific audience allowing you to pick and choose 500 from those 1000 who you think will benefit you.
They don't want kids who will login and play a few hours then post leaks all over the internet without a single bit of feedback or bug finding.
I totally agree. Treat us EU players fairly. Oh and something else...This FIFO key distribution method is silly. There are people that make an account on mmorpg.com just to grab the beta key. This is unfair for us old members.
You call yourself an 'old member' ? xD
"You resist. You cling to your life as if it actually matters. You will learn."
It seems to me like you all think it is your right to a fair chance at a beta key.
These keys are being given away FREE by mmorpg.com and allow you FREE access to ALL of RIFTS betas. You are paying neither "company" anything therefore why is it that you feel that you DESERVE more than other people to benefit off either of these companies charity?
Sure if you paid mmorpg.com a sum of money each month, then it could be said that the site owes you something, perhaps if you'd given thousands of $$ in donations to RIFTS then you could perhaps deserve a key.
Instead mmorpg.com has provided you with a free website containing up to date game information and a free forum, charged no one anything, you guys have happily used the website and forum to a large extent and now when they host a giveaway you all complain as if mmorpg.com owes you something and that they deserve to make it fairer for you.
Let me put it this way, mmorpg.com and RIFTS don't owe anyone here anything, so to speak, what they are doing is in a sense charity therefore don't be arrogant enough to think that you deserve more of a chance than anyone else, it is all simply a gift that you might have a chance of obtaining and if you don't obtain it then it's not like you'll have lost anything!
/RANT (I do believe I just repeated myself a few times )
I don't think I am owed anything, but I DO think giving away beta keys and then only have a CHANCE for beta is misleading.
Don't hand away keys if you don't have place for someone. It's like selling 1000 theatre tickets for a theatre which has 500 places. It's just not right. And on top all too often we Europeans are either shut out entirely from betas or get a chance 2 days before launch or such.
It's nothing like that. It's like if someone came up to you can said "here's a FREE raffle ticket and the prize is $50,000"
Now with the logic of 90% of people bitching here their response to this guy would be:
"OMG WTF A FREE RAFFLE TICKET TO WIN $50,000! That's not good enough, I deserve to just have the $50,000, THIS IS REALLY UNFAIR QQ"
Now obviously as that guy gave you that raffle ticket for free and was at no expense to you to obtain, that response would appear to be very arrogant, ungrateful and selfish just as a lot of you are being towards TRION and mmorpg.com
You attempted to obtain a key at no expense to you, therefore anything you get from that key IS A BONUS and if you don't gain anything, well you LOST NOTHING so you HAVE NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.
It seems to me like you all think it is your right to a fair chance at a beta key.
These keys are being given away FREE by mmorpg.com and allow you FREE access to ALL of RIFTS betas. You are paying neither "company" anything therefore why is it that you feel that you DESERVE more than other people to benefit off either of these companies charity?
Sure if you paid mmorpg.com a sum of money each month, then it could be said that the site owes you something, perhaps if you'd given thousands of $$ in donations to RIFTS then you could perhaps deserve a key.
Instead mmorpg.com has provided you with a free website containing up to date game information and a free forum, charged no one anything, you guys have happily used the website and forum to a large extent and now when they host a giveaway you all complain as if mmorpg.com owes you something and that they deserve to make it fairer for you.
Let me put it this way, mmorpg.com and RIFTS don't owe anyone here anything, so to speak, what they are doing is in a sense charity therefore don't be arrogant enough to think that you deserve more of a chance than anyone else, it is all simply a gift that you might have a chance of obtaining and if you don't obtain it then it's not like you'll have lost anything!
/RANT (I do believe I just repeated myself a few times )
I don't think I am owed anything, but I DO think giving away beta keys and then only have a CHANCE for beta is misleading.
Don't hand away keys if you don't have place for someone. It's like selling 1000 theatre tickets for a theatre which has 500 places. It's just not right. And on top all too often we Europeans are either shut out entirely from betas or get a chance 2 days before launch or such.
Except they aren't selling anything and you aren't buying anything. It is like giving away 1000 theatre tickets for a theatre with 500 seats where you want a specific audience allowing you to pick and choose 500 from those 1000 who you think will benefit you.
They don't want kids who will login and play a few hours then post leaks all over the internet without a single bit of feedback or bug finding.
A ticket is a ticket, no matter if you get it for free. If you have 500 seats you give 500 tickets, not 1000. Period. Everything else is a scam.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
It seems to me like you all think it is your right to a fair chance at a beta key.
These keys are being given away FREE by mmorpg.com and allow you FREE access to ALL of RIFTS betas. You are paying neither "company" anything therefore why is it that you feel that you DESERVE more than other people to benefit off either of these companies charity?
Sure if you paid mmorpg.com a sum of money each month, then it could be said that the site owes you something, perhaps if you'd given thousands of $$ in donations to RIFTS then you could perhaps deserve a key.
Instead mmorpg.com has provided you with a free website containing up to date game information and a free forum, charged no one anything, you guys have happily used the website and forum to a large extent and now when they host a giveaway you all complain as if mmorpg.com owes you something and that they deserve to make it fairer for you.
Let me put it this way, mmorpg.com and RIFTS don't owe anyone here anything, so to speak, what they are doing is in a sense charity therefore don't be arrogant enough to think that you deserve more of a chance than anyone else, it is all simply a gift that you might have a chance of obtaining and if you don't obtain it then it's not like you'll have lost anything!
/RANT (I do believe I just repeated myself a few times )
I don't think I am owed anything, but I DO think giving away beta keys and then only have a CHANCE for beta is misleading.
Don't hand away keys if you don't have place for someone. It's like selling 1000 theatre tickets for a theatre which has 500 places. It's just not right. And on top all too often we Europeans are either shut out entirely from betas or get a chance 2 days before launch or such.
Except they aren't selling anything and you aren't buying anything. It is like giving away 1000 theatre tickets for a theatre with 500 seats where you want a specific audience allowing you to pick and choose 500 from those 1000 who you think will benefit you.
They don't want kids who will login and play a few hours then post leaks all over the internet without a single bit of feedback or bug finding.
A ticket is a ticket, no matter if you get it for free. If you have 500 seats you give 500 tickets, not 1000. Period. Everything else is a scam.
you've obviously never entered a raffle ticket or tried tattsloto
The yesterday Rift key giveaway was posted at 2 AM GMT
Middle of the night in Europe.
Before calling it unfair, and rigged to benefit USA users. I suggest mmorpg.com to post new batch of keys in time slot that is good for both europeans and usa users.
I do agree with a certain extent to the OP. I am an American but am currently living in Britain for a year. I would like to have access to these events as well. However, for my timestamp I have 1:15AM GMT for the event not 2AM. A bit nit-picky but there it is. I am based in the UK so I know that this is the accurate time for GMT.
This FIFO key distribution method is silly. There are people that make an account on mmorpg.com just to grab the beta key. This is unfair for us old members.
Agreed but you can't give away them based on numbers of post.
But to have a rule for 24 hours membership to be able to enter would make a lot of sense, it would turn away those guys that just make an account to get the key and never plan to visit the site again.
Same goes for the sweepstake contests.
(Starting to get a rightwing tone doesn't it
I've been saying this for years, only I think it should be even harsher. If you haven't registered, logged into, or visited the website within 30 days prior to the start of a contest you shouldn't be eligable. The MMORPG.com contests pretty much screw out long time community members.
The seem designed to try and bring in more visitors rather than reward long time members. That's great, except it doens't work. Someone comes here, registers for the givewaway, wins, then isn't seen again until there's another contest.
And yes I'm a little bitter. I've participated in every contest we've had here for the last 6 years and only ever won 1 crappy prize.
Giveaways are first come, first serve. However, contests (random drawings) do reward users who actively visit the site, as you are given extra entries into the drawing for logging in throughout the duration of a contest period.
This give-away screws over everyone that isn't a bot trying to get keys to sell, not just non USA users. Look at the "winners" from today, 75 percent of the users were created on 11/23/2010. Yea that's today.
This give-away screws over everyone that isn't a bot trying to get keys to sell, not just non USA users. Look at the "winners" from today, 75 percent of the users were created on 11/23/2010. Yea that's today.
Such is the problem with most giveaways.
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Arrghh .... been watching mmorpg all day for those keys ... and then both my boys decided to overflow their nappies ... at the same time ofcourse. While trying to clean them they flooded the bathroom.
I get back downstairs ... and I missed it
Willing to trade 2 kids for a key
I hope to be more lucky in the next 3 hand-outs ... i really do no want to get cataclysm!
50% of the people, ESPECIALLY the whiners (90%), only want to get in the game to preview it.
DO half of you even know what a BETA is supposed to be for?
It's to TEST and REPORT the game to the devs. Since most people just want to look at it, if they see a bug, they come to these forums and call it a bad game instead of reporting it to the devs.
It boggles my mind how big of selfish-asses people havce become in regard to BETA's.
I could write a diatribe about it actually, but what's the point? Actually, I have before and the ears that need to hear it are always deaf.
50% of the people, ESPECIALLY the whiners (90%), only want to get in the game to preview it.
DO half of you even know what a BETA is supposed to be for?
It's to TEST and REPORT the game to the devs. Since most people just want to look at it, if they see a bug, they come to these forums and call it a bad game instead of reporting it to the devs.
It boggles my mind how big of selfish-asses people havce become in regard to BETA's.
I could write a diatribe about it actually, but what's the point? Actually, I have before and the ears that need to hear it are always deaf.
That is 100% true .... 10 years ago. Not so much today.
There will be more later on today, and I'll be changing up the times we dole them out. Thanks for your feedback.
I can't be any more specific than that, however.
Mike...this is confusing. You say in your 11/23 post that more will be later on today...today is 11/23, but just locked a thread and commenting that "todays" keys have already been distributed, so assuming that no more will be allocated today, 11/23. This is sincere
50% of the people, ESPECIALLY the whiners (90%), only want to get in the game to preview it.
DO half of you even know what a BETA is supposed to be for?
It's to TEST and REPORT the game to the devs. Since most people just want to look at it, if they see a bug, they come to these forums and call it a bad game instead of reporting it to the devs.
It boggles my mind how big of selfish-asses people havce become in regard to BETA's.
I could write a diatribe about it actually, but what's the point? Actually, I have before and the ears that need to hear it are always deaf.
That is 100% true .... 10 years ago. Not so much today.
I think you have that TOTOALLY backwards... 10 years ago it was a PRIVILEGE to get into BETA. People held it in the highest reguard. Now everyone thinks they deserve to be in.
50% of the people, ESPECIALLY the whiners (90%), only want to get in the game to preview it.
DO half of you even know what a BETA is supposed to be for?
It's to TEST and REPORT the game to the devs. Since most people just want to look at it, if they see a bug, they come to these forums and call it a bad game instead of reporting it to the devs.
It boggles my mind how big of selfish-asses people havce become in regard to BETA's.
I could write a diatribe about it actually, but what's the point? Actually, I have before and the ears that need to hear it are always deaf.
That is 100% true .... 10 years ago. Not so much today.
I think you have that TOTOALLY backwards... 10 years ago it was a PRIVILEGE to get into BETA. People held it in the highest reguard. Now everyone thinks they deserve to be in.
What i meant by that was that companies used to have beta's to improve their product, while these days it's more often a marketing strategy.
Anyone know how long it took yesterday from 'contest' end til when they posted the link to redeem the codes? I feel like something is wrong since the link hasn't been put up yet!
Anyone know how long it took yesterday from 'contest' end til when they posted the link to redeem the codes? I feel like something is wrong since the link hasn't been put up yet!
Yesterdays keys went in 15 minutes, and todays keys went in 4 minutes.
There will be more later on today, and I'll be changing up the times we dole them out. Thanks for your feedback.
I can't be any more specific than that, however.
Mike...this is confusing. You say in your 11/23 post that more will be later on today...today is 11/23, but just locked a thread and commenting that "todays" keys have already been distributed, so assuming that no more will be allocated today, 11/23. This is sincere
I said that at 10AM and gave out the keys after I had said that.
Anyone know how long it took yesterday from 'contest' end til when they posted the link to redeem the codes? I feel like something is wrong since the link hasn't been put up yet!
Yesterdays keys went in 15 minutes, and todays keys went in 4 minutes.
Not sure if I've misread but I think they mean the link to claim the VIP keys. Camping that link feels almost as a bad as camping the news feed lol
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Except they aren't selling anything and you aren't buying anything. It is like giving away 1000 theatre tickets for a theatre with 500 seats where you want a specific audience allowing you to pick and choose 500 from those 1000 who you think will benefit you.
They don't want kids who will login and play a few hours then post leaks all over the internet without a single bit of feedback or bug finding.
Community != pre launch forums, or random people on the ineternet wanting a beta key...
You call yourself an 'old member' ? xD
"You resist. You cling to your life as if it actually matters. You will learn."
From what I have seen on any forum, for any game, the community is going to suck....If thats the basis to judge.
Name me one game, and I can go post something general like this after checking out its forum, guaranteed.
It's nothing like that. It's like if someone came up to you can said "here's a FREE raffle ticket and the prize is $50,000"
Now with the logic of 90% of people bitching here their response to this guy would be:
"OMG WTF A FREE RAFFLE TICKET TO WIN $50,000! That's not good enough, I deserve to just have the $50,000, THIS IS REALLY UNFAIR QQ"
Now obviously as that guy gave you that raffle ticket for free and was at no expense to you to obtain, that response would appear to be very arrogant, ungrateful and selfish just as a lot of you are being towards TRION and mmorpg.com
You attempted to obtain a key at no expense to you, therefore anything you get from that key IS A BONUS and if you don't gain anything, well you LOST NOTHING so you HAVE NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.
Come on people, please learn to logic!
Depends on how you measure "old". I really think though that you are missing the point here my friend.
My brain has 2 sides;Left and right. My left side has nothing right and my right side has nothing left...
A ticket is a ticket, no matter if you get it for free. If you have 500 seats you give 500 tickets, not 1000. Period. Everything else is a scam.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
you've obviously never entered a raffle ticket or tried tattsloto
They should give them out only at EU times, then we can read all the threads complaining about lag.
I do agree with a certain extent to the OP. I am an American but am currently living in Britain for a year. I would like to have access to these events as well. However, for my timestamp I have 1:15AM GMT for the event not 2AM. A bit nit-picky but there it is. I am based in the UK so I know that this is the accurate time for GMT.
Giveaways are first come, first serve. However, contests (random drawings) do reward users who actively visit the site, as you are given extra entries into the drawing for logging in throughout the duration of a contest period.
Wait, What time would that be ?
This give-away screws over everyone that isn't a bot trying to get keys to sell, not just non USA users. Look at the "winners" from today, 75 percent of the users were created on 11/23/2010. Yea that's today.
Such is the problem with most giveaways.
___________
The most erroneous stories are those we think we know best - and therefore never scrutinize or question.
Arrghh .... been watching mmorpg all day for those keys ... and then both my boys decided to overflow their nappies ... at the same time ofcourse. While trying to clean them they flooded the bathroom.
I get back downstairs ... and I missed it
Willing to trade 2 kids for a key
I hope to be more lucky in the next 3 hand-outs ... i really do no want to get cataclysm!
And gratz to the winners.
50% of the people, ESPECIALLY the whiners (90%), only want to get in the game to preview it.
DO half of you even know what a BETA is supposed to be for?
It's to TEST and REPORT the game to the devs. Since most people just want to look at it, if they see a bug, they come to these forums and call it a bad game instead of reporting it to the devs.
It boggles my mind how big of selfish-asses people havce become in regard to BETA's.
I could write a diatribe about it actually, but what's the point? Actually, I have before and the ears that need to hear it are always deaf.
That is 100% true .... 10 years ago. Not so much today.
Mike...this is confusing. You say in your 11/23 post that more will be later on today...today is 11/23, but just locked a thread and commenting that "todays" keys have already been distributed, so assuming that no more will be allocated today, 11/23.
This is sincere 
I think you have that TOTOALLY backwards... 10 years ago it was a PRIVILEGE to get into BETA. People held it in the highest reguard. Now everyone thinks they deserve to be in.
I totally agree
What i meant by that was that companies used to have beta's to improve their product, while these days it's more often a marketing strategy.
Anyone know how long it took yesterday from 'contest' end til when they posted the link to redeem the codes? I feel like something is wrong since the link hasn't been put up yet!
Yesterdays keys went in 15 minutes, and todays keys went in 4 minutes.
I said that at 10AM and gave out the keys after I had said that.
Not sure if I've misread but I think they mean the link to claim the VIP keys. Camping that link feels almost as a bad as camping the news feed lol