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Increase in AimBotting?
maskedweasel
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I've been playing quite a bit recently, and usually in the late evenings I've been noticing more and more aimbotters. Usually I notice it most when these players are playing Recon.
For example, a Recon with 30+ kills in a mission isn't unheard of by great players, but if that mission ends at the first point capture in a breach mission and the next closest kill count is 6, you know somethings up. Moreover you know that at point blank range, pulling a sniper rifle out would be almost suicide.
Apparently not, at point blank range I've had Recons hit me consecutively while I was meleeing them (and circling them, I wasn't standing still).
Lastly, I've been on teams with some of these same people, and when I die, I get to look at their screen, it is absolutely ridiculous at the amount of pinpoint accuracy these people have. Targeting healers and hitting them while they are in a crowd of people -- its possible, but when you see the Recon in your screen swaying with the movements of the Medics strafing, while shooting rapidly and hitting the target repeatedly? I don't think thats possible at all.
Any other players noticing a surge (albeit a small surge) of aimbotters?
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I'm one of those players that gets accused of aimbotting (I'm 100% clean ^^) and no, I have not seen an increase in aimbotters.
HiRez takes a serious look at anyone you report ( /report PLAYERNAME I think they're hacking). They've already banned some hackers, but there are very few.
I think its easy for people who are not exactly playing on the same levels as some to instantly shout "OMFG! HAX!"... but a considerable margin of kill/death discrepancy does not necessarily mean the person on top is hacking.
Im not AMAZING or anything, but ive been accused of hacking before because ive guessed at where people are running to when stealthed and picked them off through sheer luck and guessing. This is clearly not true, because I have never, and will never hack in a game. Kinda defeats the purpose and kills the fun yaknow?
Anyways, all im saying is that if someone is a monster (and ive seen some recons who 100% are), it dosent necessarily mean that theyre hacking. Some players are just plain awesome at twitch gaming. Ive seen crazy awesome players in games from Quake to Counter Strike, and I do not feel that Global Agenda is an exception.
Someone cheated in a PvP game.
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"TO MICHAEL!"
There are multiple tiers of players.
Generally its split into two major categories. The Pubbers and the Competition players.
In the pubber realm you have this big slushy mix of good, bad, horribad and needs-to-uninstall. Competion players almost always are better than nearly all pubbers.
This is true for a large number of shooters.
Back in Counter-Strike before Source or even 1.6 I used to play competition. I couldnt play in pubs. I got banned and accused left-right and center for hacking.
Goes for any shooter. Your high-tier players will just ruin pub games and look like cheaters.
Not saying there isnt cheaters out there. Because there are. But I'd wager that a large % of people you think are cheaters really dont.
I was also aimboter with Railgun and 95% acuracy in Quake II/III when was young :P. Now I feel very lucky if hit once on 3 shots.
I dont know if there are many hackers or not, I have used 3-th party hack/scrpting programs on free MMO servers and believe me its the easiest way to become bored from a game, so such peoples leave very fast even if not forced to do so after a ban.
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This gave me a chuckle Night.
Saying there are "some cheaters" out there in games like Counter Strike is like saying there are "some pedos" at a Miley Cyrus concert. There's always a lot more than you think.
Heck, just about every game you joined had some hacking going on in those RPGs and still do.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I dunno, that argument seems a bit too easy. Smacks to me of a crappy butthurt PuGer who cant keep pace with the aforementioned "Competition" players.
Yes, sometimes there are hackers. However, I am not one to believe that anyone racking in kills is hacking. Ive seen some recons who are just damned good. In fact, some of the people who maul me hardest when I'm playing are Inferno Cannon Assaults and Meleecons, not Snipercons (who seem to be most often accused of aimbotting).
I think the old addage goes "Less QQ, more PewPew. L2Play nub." I submit it as a response to those who are very quick to yell "HAX!"
This gave me a chuckle Night.
Saying there are "some cheaters" out there in games like Counter Strike is like saying there are "some pedos" at a Miley Cyrus concert. There's always a lot more than you think.
Heck, just about every game you joined had some hacking going on in those RPGs and still do.
I dunno, that argument seems a bit too easy. Smacks to me of a crappy butthurt PuGer who cant keep pace with the aforementioned "Competition" players.
Yes, sometimes there are hackers. However, I am not one to believe that anyone racking in kills is hacking. Ive seen some recons who are just damned good. In fact, some of the people who maul me hardest when I'm playing are Inferno Cannon Assaults and Meleecons, not Snipercons (who seem to be most often accused of aimbotting).
I think the old addage goes "Less QQ, more PewPew. L2Play nub." I submit it as a response to those who are very quick to yell "HAX!"
Hmm..
Well, in that spirit..
You win this forum PvP contest for insults.
Congrats.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Yay! I win teh prize!
Understand, I can tell easily when there are some players that are just very good, and I can tell when there are players that are just too good. Most of the time I can tell on snipers because there are just some things snipers just CAN NOT do, like snipe people repeatedly when they are just a few feet in front of them. One lucky shot, maybe two, but not missing with a sniper rifle at close range in this game just makes no sense.
I've seen snipers literally not miss a shot, at all. I've seen it through their own screen from the ones that were on my team. High kill counts are one thing, but actually watching them switch from player to player with pinpoint accuracy, never missing? It may be possible but it isn't probably. And to see this on multiple players is just ridiculous.
There are some players that are high on k/d ratio but I know they aren't hacking, even when they top the charts at 30 some odd kills over others.
I know sometimes its a tough call, but I'm not one who's quick to yell "that guys aimbotting" ... I play a number of matches with these same people before I even think of reporting them.
For sure. Im not for a second saying that hacking NEVER happens... Im saying that its just alot rarer than some people think/believe. There are twitch gamers out there who have blindingly fast hand/eye coordination, and as a result roflpwn people like crazy. Ive grouped with many in the past. Ive played against many in the past. They can be thoroughly ridiculous.
If someone is legit hacking, they are a fool, and deserve banhammering, fer shur. But if they arent, and are just a phenom, calling them a hacker is quite insulting.
just stay away from MERC
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See, thats the thing. Merc is the funnest part of the game for me! I think its mainly because I
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I agree, I love Merc, and I'm good at it, I like playing it, and its fun. The only thing I don't like are people that can literally stand there and just continuously fire with no penalty to accuracy or human mistake. It gets frustrating at times but those that I feel are botting usually aren't on very often.
Started playing MMOs 10 years ago. Have played many since. In the early days, never suspected people would hack a game to do better, after all what's the point? or I just attributed it to lag. After several years, and one too many times unloading a full alpha on a player and watch their health bar not even move, I realized the truth of it. MMOs are cram full of hacks and cheats. I'm sure GA is also. Only an abject moron would be caught using one, so for every one you actually -see- there are likely 10+ whom you never see doing it. Having played a recon in GA, OP is absolutely correct. If a sniper is hitting 100% at close range on moving targets, something is definitely up. It is impossible, and it isn't a question of skill.
The people who adamantly claim it is minor just haven't played enough MMOs for long enough, and sit back with the "they're just real good" explanation. ROFL. Also suspect that most of the apologists about hacking in this or other MMOs are insider related and are just trying to protect the integrity of the game and the industry. Once people start realizing the truth, they will do what I have done. I don't play pvp games that aren't console any more, and I see a MASSIVE difference in the playing field.
Flame away apologists.
Your observation is quite accurate. I finally got irritated enough to try a little experiment to see if they are as active as they claim. I bought a new copy of the game put it on an old rig and tied it to a disposable yahoo email account. I bought the 'tool' with a CC that I closed the account on. I've been playing now for over 4 weeks with the 'tool' and I've been totally blatant in its use. So far.... no ban.... So based on that alone I have to say their system for catching hacks isn't working. To borrow the phrase "Myth Busted".
This problem exists in many FPS games. Less QQ more pew pew no? Sorry couldn't resist a jab at the elitist attitude.
I don't play anymore, but I used to be a Recon.
Hitting people in point blank with a sniper rifle is definitely possible, I did it a lot (mostly to save my skin); though it is also very difficult, a lot of players will just rush up to you when they see you are sniping, which makes it easier.
But there are definitely aimbots in GA. Some snipercons just pull nearly impossible shots and while I know there are some great players out there who can consistently pull crazy shows from my time in Quake 3 Arena, it would be naieve to think there are that many great players in random missions.
100% hit is definitely impossible.
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check agendastats.com for the player if he is in the top50 he is clean for sure...
i m also one of the close combat snipers , and i find it harder to hit a target what is miles away then someone circle strafing and melee around you.
train your reactions , know the maps , high mouse sens and their u go.
btw i m playing q3 arena since the beginning and there are more players who did and have very high reaction and are very good in prediction shoots.
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..... Thats not true at all, AgendaStats is 90% stat padding for those that actually care about it. Close combat snipers, yeah again, its possible, but not probable. Most snipers that are decent will try to hit you once or twice if they can get a bead on you, but if a sniper misses even once at close range its basically good night. Thats why most of the snipers that are players will take off and try and gain distance, its very improbable as you can't gauge direction or distance at close range with a sniper rifle. Maybe if they were right next to you and all you had in your screen was a close up of the other person, but even then you can't track movement.
Even in the event you had such a quick reaction time that when the player passed by your sights you could fire, the lag time between shots and having to refocus is a complete killer at about 10 meters and fewer when you're a sniper.
Couple that with snipers being able to single out players in a crowd full of friendly and enemy players and they are able to hit them with 100% accuracy... sorry, its not humanly possible.
I've been in lan parties with guys miles above my skill level with a sniper rifle (not for GA) and I know that even the best of snipers can miss a good deal of the time, especially when zoomed in at close range. This is in games where you can fire your rifle without having to be zoomed in too. In GA you always have to be zoomed in to fire, it makes it infinitely harder.
I've never been accused of hacking or aimbotting on my recon, but I know people who have. Their response is pretty much universal: a pure sniper spec recon, between the damage, range and accuracy boosts, is scary.
I was thinking of creating a keyboard macro to allow me to snipe at point blank range almost instantly with the click of one button. I havent looked into this yet but it seems pretty easy to do and would not be breaking any rules by using a gaming keyboard. That could be an explanation. You could just run around and whenever someone is right in front of you click one button and they are dead.
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I agree that sniping in close quarters is incredibly difficult, and all snipers will try to avoid it. 100% accuracy is certainly impossible, but at close range if a good sniper fires and hits 3 - 4 shots and kills you that's not impossible either; even though that's 100% right there. If they do that repeatedly... then it's getting a bit fishy. Though I must say if you're concentrating on dodging it's rather difficult to count every shot, hit or miss, fired every second.
However, stat padding isn't the same as cheating, so that doesn't make Nepulas wrong about Agenda Stats. If you check AS and the player suspected for hacking is near the top, and has been playing GA for months and months, then it's extremely likely that he's got that good from practice - being that it's very unlikely that a cheater has gone undetected for that long. Most of the players at the top of AS are recognisable as top tier, even if they farm stats to pronounce that.
Besides checking AS, if you find yourself reporting a bunch of people, it might be worth calling them out in GA's chat, or posting here or something, and asking whether people recognise them as simply good players. Quite regularly on the GA forums, well known players use signatures to quote others calling them hackers; so false calls are certainly common.
Anyway, HiRez has a lot of tools for detecting and catching hackers in GA. I'll repost something I said in another thread:
It's impossible to completely eliminate hacking, but GA's still far better off than most shooters.
I think the most important thing is whether you are in the < level 30 or > level 30 merc queue, because beneath level 30 the only experienced players will be those rolling alts, while above level 30 you encounter experienced players more often, and hackers are probably less likely simply because they get caught earlier.
i've been playing for 3 days, haven't seen 1 hacker