I feel that at best it will be a niche game. I see most MMORPG players checking out GW2 and/or SWtor and most will not ever make it the Rift.
The Fallacy of this argument is that 1) GW2 is not a subscription based game and 2) Starwars is a niche genre (sci fi) and is also not a typical mmorpg based game.
Now if you are wondering why GW2's business model factors into all of this, well it simply comes down to observations of the past and trends with the gaming community. As we saw with Guild Wars 1 as well as other titles & the general concensus from the marketoids out there, gamers played both a subscription based mmorpg AND the non subscription based rpg.
Arena net knows this, they know they do not have any real competition coming up because of their business model. They know that players can purchase their game, pick it up and play it whenever they want without the looming pressure from a monthly fee. Gamers then often have the subscription based game and the free one. Furthermore, one cannot count active subscriptions with the non subscription based game because all it requires is a box copy.
As for the second point, sci fi mmorpgs have always been a bit more niche than the high fantasy ones. The sci fi elements of Star Wars will appeal to a smaller crowd than the sword n sorcery theme which mmorpg players are often fascinated with. In addition, once people begin realizing that SWTOR isnt your typical mmorpg, but rather a single player based rpg designed around an online environment with some multiplayer elements, they will begin to question whether or not they want this watered down alternative or the tried and true mmorpg design represented by Rift.
It'll do OK, for being a new company that is. For the MMO business in general, I hope and believe it will do poorly due to the lack of creativity in the game.
Hopefully the market catches on games like minecraft, and other MMOs such as Earthrise, EVE, TSW... that dare challenge the MMO (sub) standards.
Flourish at about a ongoing player base of around 250,000-350,000
A largely silent part MMO world, the old school social co-op play to achieve part, is crying out for a quality solid title to call their home for the next few years.
It won't go down all that well with the kids, or the lazy guys that have bought in to the pay to achieve social engineering campaign that we have seen go on over the past couple of years in gaming, but it will succeed within it's own aims and on it's own terms.
If rift was anything like the real paladium books then i think it will have a go. But to tell you the truth im not even sure they own the title. the game rifts as a pen and paper game was awesome and d&d still has its folowing so this game is alot more like wow and is going to draw more players from it. well i guess time will tell
Paladium Books owns a separate IP. They tried to claim they have the trade mark on the word "Rifts" and therefore "Rift", but found out the hard way that they know nothing of copywrite and trademark law.
I can go out and trademark the word "Cat" but if anyone else tries to use "Cat", I wouldnt be able to hold up that trademark in court, in fact, it would get thrown out. Why? you cannot trademark single commonly used words especially if they are part of the Language of which you speak.
So no, Paladium doesnt own it anymore than Trion does in that regard.
Facebook just trademarked the word 'face'.
I'm sorry, where was your argument headed again?
Never confuse law with logic. You will have a rough time with life.
If rift was anything like the real paladium books then i think it will have a go. But to tell you the truth im not even sure they own the title. the game rifts as a pen and paper game was awesome and d&d still has its folowing so this game is alot more like wow and is going to draw more players from it. well i guess time will tell
Paladium Books owns a separate IP. They tried to claim they have the trade mark on the word "Rifts" and therefore "Rift", but found out the hard way that they know nothing of copywrite and trademark law.
I can go out and trademark the word "Cat" but if anyone else tries to use "Cat", I wouldnt be able to hold up that trademark in court, in fact, it would get thrown out. Why? you cannot trademark single commonly used words especially if they are part of the Language of which you speak.
So no, Paladium doesnt own it anymore than Trion does in that regard.
Facebook just trademarked the word 'face'.
I'm sorry, where was your argument headed again?
Never confuse law with logic. You will have a rough time with life.
I am not sure your reading comprehension is working correctly. Did you not understand what my post stated?
You can still trademark words of your choosing, BUT you cannot enforce them in court. Its an empty trademark. Trust me, I have used and continue to use legal books which focus entirely on trademarks and how they pertain to the entertainment industry. There are good trademarks and bad ones, those you can enforce and those that are empty and cannot be enforced.
You cannot, in any way shape or form, enforce a trademark of a single english word commonly used and of which is in the dictionary. You cannot trademark and enforce "Cat", but if you make it unique, "MadKatz" for example then it becomes your trademark.
Finally, i highly recommend you drop the "ego". The irony is that you try to belittle me for some odd reason while ignoring or not comprehending the contents of the post of which you reply too. Rule of thumb is that there is always someone out there better and more knowledgeable than you. It should serve as reminder to stay humble to all of us. Take that as some friendly advice.
If rift was anything like the real paladium books then i think it will have a go. But to tell you the truth im not even sure they own the title. the game rifts as a pen and paper game was awesome and d&d still has its folowing so this game is alot more like wow and is going to draw more players from it. well i guess time will tell
Paladium Books owns a separate IP. They tried to claim they have the trade mark on the word "Rifts" and therefore "Rift", but found out the hard way that they know nothing of copywrite and trademark law.
I can go out and trademark the word "Cat" but if anyone else tries to use "Cat", I wouldnt be able to hold up that trademark in court, in fact, it would get thrown out. Why? you cannot trademark single commonly used words especially if they are part of the Language of which you speak.
So no, Paladium doesnt own it anymore than Trion does in that regard.
Facebook just trademarked the word 'face'.
I'm sorry, where was your argument headed again?
Never confuse law with logic. You will have a rough time with life.
I am not sure your reading comprehension is working correctly. Did you not understand what my post stated?
You can still trademark words of your choosing, BUT you cannot enforce them in court. Its an empty trademark. Trust me, I have used and continue to use legal books which focus entirely on trademarks and how they pertain to the entertainment industry. There are good trademarks and bad ones, those you can enforce and those that are empty and cannot be enforced.
You cannot, in any way shape or form, enforce a trademark of a single english word commonly used and of which is in the dictionary. You cannot trademark and enforce "Cat", but if you make it unique, "MadKatz" for example then it becomes your trademark.
Finally, i highly recommend you drop the "ego". The irony is that you try to belittle me for some odd reason while ignoring or not comprehending the contents of the post of which you reply too. Rule of thumb is that there is always someone out there better and more knowledgeable than you. It should serve as reminder to stay humble to all of us. Take that as some friendly advice.
This is your final warning or else I am suing you as I own the rights to the word "I".
In response to the OP; I don't think Rift will fail or florish, I think this is going to be one of the average population games for a specialized audience, in this case I am very excited since I feel they are targeting gamers with similar tastes to mine.
I'll use the third definition, found at dictionary.com, for flourish: 3. to be successful; prosper.
I voted "flourish." I agree with those who have said that Rift will probably sustain 200k to 300k subscribers. I look forward to playing this game and I think there are many others who do as well.
It won't kill WoW, but you know what, who cares? I just hope Rift has a solid population so there are others on who want to party and respond to rifts or help rebuild what is laid to waste during rifts. You don't need millions for that, just thousands.
Playing | GW2 Wanting | Pantheon Watching | Crowfall Retired | WAR, Cabal, MO, CO, SHK, WoW, FFXIV: ARR
If rift was anything like the real paladium books then i think it will have a go. But to tell you the truth im not even sure they own the title. the game rifts as a pen and paper game was awesome and d&d still has its folowing so this game is alot more like wow and is going to draw more players from it. well i guess time will tell
Paladium Books owns a separate IP. They tried to claim they have the trade mark on the word "Rifts" and therefore "Rift", but found out the hard way that they know nothing of copywrite and trademark law.
I can go out and trademark the word "Cat" but if anyone else tries to use "Cat", I wouldnt be able to hold up that trademark in court, in fact, it would get thrown out. Why? you cannot trademark single commonly used words especially if they are part of the Language of which you speak.
So no, Paladium doesnt own it anymore than Trion does in that regard.
Facebook just trademarked the word 'face'.
I'm sorry, where was your argument headed again?
Never confuse law with logic. You will have a rough time with life.
I am not sure your reading comprehension is working correctly. Did you not understand what my post stated?
You can still trademark words of your choosing, BUT you cannot enforce them in court. Its an empty trademark. Trust me, I have used and continue to use legal books which focus entirely on trademarks and how they pertain to the entertainment industry. There are good trademarks and bad ones, those you can enforce and those that are empty and cannot be enforced.
You cannot, in any way shape or form, enforce a trademark of a single english word commonly used and of which is in the dictionary. You cannot trademark and enforce "Cat", but if you make it unique, "MadKatz" for example then it becomes your trademark.
Finally, i highly recommend you drop the "ego". The irony is that you try to belittle me for some odd reason while ignoring or not comprehending the contents of the post of which you reply too. Rule of thumb is that there is always someone out there better and more knowledgeable than you. It should serve as reminder to stay humble to all of us. Take that as some friendly advice.
Sorry I trademarked the word "ego" so fork over the money
And golly Miss Molly ... you sure get cranky when being quoted. I now grant you a 5 minute timeout to calm the nerd rage.
I know, I hate Guild Wars the mutant copy of EQ2 and Neverwinter Nights, World of Warcraft the mutant copy of Everquest, Aion the mutant copy of World of Warcraft and Lineage II, Warhammer the mutant copy of World of Warcraft, and all the rest of the mutant copys out there.
MMORPGs with multi class systems, quests, and a player based economy, next thing you know all FPS games will have guns.
exactly
the customers are sick to death of those and those who aren't yet play WoW
the only way to truly succeed is to offer something, dare I say, original
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The Fallacy of this argument is that 1) GW2 is not a subscription based game and 2) Starwars is a niche genre (sci fi) and is also not a typical mmorpg based game.
Now if you are wondering why GW2's business model factors into all of this, well it simply comes down to observations of the past and trends with the gaming community. As we saw with Guild Wars 1 as well as other titles & the general concensus from the marketoids out there, gamers played both a subscription based mmorpg AND the non subscription based rpg.
Arena net knows this, they know they do not have any real competition coming up because of their business model. They know that players can purchase their game, pick it up and play it whenever they want without the looming pressure from a monthly fee. Gamers then often have the subscription based game and the free one. Furthermore, one cannot count active subscriptions with the non subscription based game because all it requires is a box copy.
As for the second point, sci fi mmorpgs have always been a bit more niche than the high fantasy ones. The sci fi elements of Star Wars will appeal to a smaller crowd than the sword n sorcery theme which mmorpg players are often fascinated with. In addition, once people begin realizing that SWTOR isnt your typical mmorpg, but rather a single player based rpg designed around an online environment with some multiplayer elements, they will begin to question whether or not they want this watered down alternative or the tried and true mmorpg design represented by Rift.
It'll do OK, for being a new company that is. For the MMO business in general, I hope and believe it will do poorly due to the lack of creativity in the game.
Hopefully the market catches on games like minecraft, and other MMOs such as Earthrise, EVE, TSW... that dare challenge the MMO (sub) standards.
Flourish at about a ongoing player base of around 250,000-350,000
A largely silent part MMO world, the old school social co-op play to achieve part, is crying out for a quality solid title to call their home for the next few years.
It won't go down all that well with the kids, or the lazy guys that have bought in to the pay to achieve social engineering campaign that we have seen go on over the past couple of years in gaming, but it will succeed within it's own aims and on it's own terms.
Flourish as long as it has polish, content, and ease of use.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Facebook just trademarked the word 'face'.
I'm sorry, where was your argument headed again?
Never confuse law with logic. You will have a rough time with life.
You stay sassy!
I am not sure your reading comprehension is working correctly. Did you not understand what my post stated?
You can still trademark words of your choosing, BUT you cannot enforce them in court. Its an empty trademark. Trust me, I have used and continue to use legal books which focus entirely on trademarks and how they pertain to the entertainment industry. There are good trademarks and bad ones, those you can enforce and those that are empty and cannot be enforced.
You cannot, in any way shape or form, enforce a trademark of a single english word commonly used and of which is in the dictionary. You cannot trademark and enforce "Cat", but if you make it unique, "MadKatz" for example then it becomes your trademark.
Finally, i highly recommend you drop the "ego". The irony is that you try to belittle me for some odd reason while ignoring or not comprehending the contents of the post of which you reply too. Rule of thumb is that there is always someone out there better and more knowledgeable than you. It should serve as reminder to stay humble to all of us. Take that as some friendly advice.
This is your final warning or else I am suing you as I own the rights to the word "I".
I call upon the Chewbacca defense!
Ok back to Rift and that pertaining to Rift!
In response to the OP; I don't think Rift will fail or florish, I think this is going to be one of the average population games for a specialized audience, in this case I am very excited since I feel they are targeting gamers with similar tastes to mine.
I agree that it will be able to capture a strong playerbase that is probably more mature than the WOW playerbase.
In fact, I believe many players will move on from their current P2P or F2P game to subscribe at Rift for the thrill or for the social aspect.
https://i.imgur.com/Dc8dU3M.png
Most communities are more mature than WoWs, that won't be hard.
I'll use the third definition, found at dictionary.com, for flourish: 3. to be successful; prosper.
I voted "flourish." I agree with those who have said that Rift will probably sustain 200k to 300k subscribers. I look forward to playing this game and I think there are many others who do as well.
It won't kill WoW, but you know what, who cares? I just hope Rift has a solid population so there are others on who want to party and respond to rifts or help rebuild what is laid to waste during rifts. You don't need millions for that, just thousands.
Playing | GW2
Wanting | Pantheon
Watching | Crowfall
Retired | WAR, Cabal, MO, CO, SHK, WoW, FFXIV: ARR
Sorry I trademarked the word "ego" so fork over the money
And golly Miss Molly ... you sure get cranky when being quoted. I now grant you a 5 minute timeout to calm the nerd rage.
You stay sassy!
exactly
the customers are sick to death of those and those who aren't yet play WoW
the only way to truly succeed is to offer something, dare I say, original