You mean just like how FFXIV shows 5 years of work done on it?
Well that is an entire game written from scratch and no i don't believe the 5 years either.Cata is just an xpac and if you read the two separate forums one on bugs and one on BG bugs,there is soooooooo many that makes you wonder,what exactly their coders are doing,since so many bugs make it through a TESTING realm first.
This is a 7 gig patch?FFXIV movie cutscenes alone were 15gb at least.I beleive it was 7gb for game and rest for movies /cutscenes..BTW it is taking more tha n6 months longer,because this si not a finished product ,this is full of bugs/glitches,definitely rushed,definitely not quality work and definitely a lazy effort ,since this actuall ygot through a testing phase already..sad really sad.
releasing bugs has been a big concern for most audiences now a days and most people are in agreement that it should not be accepted,well Blizzard deserves criticism for being as bad as any of them.
Anyone at all believe they took down the forums because of game overload?YA right,they have the accounts/forums on the game servers lol.
The second one is epic,read the post,dude is pissed,he doesn't want Blizz to make a huge patch to fix the graphic glitches,he would rather play a bugged game,this proves what i said about Wow players not caring about the state of the game
Yet another graphic glitch,,guess what ,you still think Blizzard shut down the forums because of overload?Blizzard is trying o keep it hush hush on such a poor qaulity release.
hey to be fair a WOW fanbois video.Funny thing is his eyes need to be checked ,he actually thinks the graphics look great..lmao.Anyhoot notice he says at the beginning,the game is pretty much the same,notice the exclamation over the npc's head...yep the same kindergarten stuff
Umm typical Wow player all excited to do rocket jump ..weeeee.In the video he dies and doesn't know it lol,he says ohhhh umm i just died oh well,yep no biggie to die in Wow because dying in Wow is actually not dying at all,nothing to worry about any noob can die .
Umm notice the character creation same old ,pretty darn bad.
lol listening to the guy in the video,pretty much shows Blizzard has some easy fish to lure in,i think they could have sold this guy a broken fishing rod and he would be happy with it
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Rofl, Lord Draekon, simply because you're not satisfied doesnt mean millions of "stupid people" also aren't. From what I hear, new players are gonna be having a ton more fun, and old players are going to enjoy going back and seeing things again, not to mention raiding new places, going to new dungeons, etc, just like always.
Let them take as long as they want, it's the fans who decide, and it doesn't make them stupid simply because they enjoy the entertainment that they do.
Maple Story's "Big Bang" was mentioned in this thread as being a bigger expansion? The games 2D...need I say more?
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Why is every one bashing the guy who made it to 85? Not like he did ALL the new stuff in the game in 5 hours. He just grinded, and grinded, and grinded 'til he hit level 85. If you'd actually did all the stuff that's been added for the game it would take quite alot more time than 5 hours. But hey, I could be wrong. Since leveling seems to be the only reason to play games today. Exploring, questing and communication is just in the way for the REAL game experience.
The people who leveled quickly just skipped all the content... quests, and grinded. Pretty lame way to level if you ask me. But there's nothing stopping them from going through the content with another character.
Rofl, Lord Draekon, simply because you're not satisfied doesnt mean millions of "stupid people" also aren't. From what I hear, new players are gonna be having a ton more fun, and old players are going to enjoy going back and seeing things again, not to mention raiding new places, going to new dungeons, etc, just like always.
Let them take as long as they want, it's the fans who decide, and it doesn't make them stupid simply because they enjoy the entertainment that they do.
Maple Story's "Big Bang" was mentioned in this thread as being a bigger expansion? The games 2D...need I say more?
Speaking of those "new players", it's a real hoot reading people gushing about how great the reworked areas are, apparently blissfully unaware that all Blizzard did was plop assets from Northrend onto the old continents. Treating something that's been in the game for years as something new and shine is willfully ignorant. The new quest progressions are theme park rides, nothing more, nothing less and the phased content is problematic at best.
Right now the game is chock full of a lot of annoying little bugs. Blizzard's priority? Fixing the sounds and animations on their Blizzcon giveaway companion pet. People who aren't satisfied are the ones who remember when Blizzard cared about their product. Activision-Blizzard doesn't.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II "People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
Cataclysm and the 4.0 patch are a really massive expansion to the game. I can't think of any other xpack that comes close to it. There is new content for levels 1-60 and 81-85. Five or ten levels is arbitrary to me as long as there is lots of new stuff.
MapleStory. Their BigBang patch is arguably bigger.
on some level I guess it is but not really a good bigger. It is bigger as in it will undoubtly take longer to beat because that game is a huge grind and bosses will take forever to be downed. Wow however will be much higher quality but as with their last xpac i think people will soon be through it but we shall see.
edit: might want to calm down the mplaying its only wed. and you have 25 hours play time haha:)
They reduced the grind with 50%. There are 2 new continents. XP is reduced big time. 5 times faster until level 70. Twice as fast until max level. The whole gameworld is rearranged (Cataclysm). 2 new classes. Quest oriented instead of the grind. This is patchpart 1 of 3.
About the 25 hours, for some reason xfire sees the gamelauncher as ingame. Me and my brother waited like 15 hours while they were patching the game.. 25 hours as a result.
The people who leveled quickly just skipped all the content... quests, and grinded. Pretty lame way to level if you ask me. But there's nothing stopping them from going through the content with another character.
Trust me, you wouldn't have to skip content to level quickly if you could roll through the quests without your eyes glazing over, especially if you have help. One of my 80's is currently chewing through the new content and I finally stopped because my mind started going numb. There are no inns to log out in, so I just kept going in hopes of finding a place to rest. Finally, after locating the flight path, I hearthed back to a city. The biggest challenge in the quests I found was when I got overwhelmed by the sometimes ridiculous respawn rates.
There's also been mention of expoits being used by some of the "Firsts". Heck, within the span of a few minutes, there were a couple of Level 85 server firsts on the server I was playing on last night. Blizzard's "Friends & Family"-centric testing gives rise to those who don't report exploits, but withold them to use when the expansions go live.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II "People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
I was going to say that there was actually a ton of content added (levels 1-60, 80-85)...but seeing as the OP is a staunch defender of FFXIV, he might not understand. Is there anything to do in FFXIV besides level and craft?
I am not a staunch defender of FFXIV,i don't play it because it is inferior to FFXI,but imo is still better than Wow.
When you talkWow "content" are we talking chasing more exclamation marks over npc heads?I don't call that content,i am sorry that is just Blizzards leveling mechanics,to lead players into a linear path .no thinking,just follow the exclamation marks.
When you say "DO",what does one do in Wow from level 1?Oh ya chase exclamation marks.That is why so many were confused in FFXIV,they thought that is the ONLY way to design a game,so people were lost,i guess Wow really did dumb down the MMORPG player base.
Umm comparing content of a 6+ year old game that has made MILLIONS to a brand new ,obviously unfinished game,like FFXIV?How about compare it to FFXI?Sqaure Enix blows the doors off of Blizzard for unique content,not even close there.
BTW Blizzard announcing it took them 6 mnths longer was actually like biting their own hand.This is because they still released a pile of bugs,what do you think FFXIV will be like 6 months after release?I am willing to bet FFXIV will be bug free and even some of the nuiances that were bothering people will be gone.I think Blizzard needed another 6 months on this release and probably still finding glitches/bugs.
BTW Square Enix does not utilize a test server,they release what they have,Blizzard uses a test server and still releases tons of bugs.So don't go comparing a poor release like Cataclysym to FFXIV when Blizzard's release is no better ,i would say even worse.
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Speaking of those "new players", it's a real hoot reading people gushing about how great the reworked areas are, apparently blissfully unaware that all Blizzard did was plop assets from Northrend onto the old continents. Treating something that's been in the game for years as something new and shine is willfully ignorant. The new quest progressions are theme park rides, nothing more, nothing less and the phased content is problematic at best.
Right now the game is chock full of a lot of annoying little bugs. Blizzard's priority? Fixing the sounds and animations on their Blizzcon giveaway companion pet. People who aren't satisfied are the ones who remember when Blizzard cared about their product. Activision-Blizzard doesn't.
Yes, yes they are theme park rides, my friend, and guess what, people LOVE theme park rides. Lol, what do you think entertainment is, anyway? It's not companies CARING about anything, it's about making a game fun. Who cares how they accomplish these things, who cares about the code if it's FUN. You're just angry because you've grown embittered and bored of the ride; that's no fault of the park that you're not happy with the ride anymore.
"THINGS USED TO BE GREAT!", gotta add that to my sig's stereotypes list.
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hey to be fair a WOW fanbois video.Funny thing is his eyes need to be checked ,he actually thinks the graphics look great..lmao.Anyhoot notice he says at the beginning,the game is pretty much the same,notice the exclamation over the npc's head...yep the same kindergarten stuff
Umm typical Wow player all excited to do rocket jump ..weeeee.In the video he dies and doesn't know it lol,he says ohhhh umm i just died oh well,yep no biggie to die in Wow because dying in Wow is actually not dying at all,nothing to worry about any noob can die .
Umm notice the character creation same old ,pretty darn bad.
lol listening to the guy in the video,pretty much shows Blizzard has some easy fish to lure in,i think they could have sold this guy a broken fishing rod and he would be happy with it
LMAO... He was really impressed with these graphics... Wow, oh god, don't show him games like Vindictus.. He just might cream all over himself..
But to be fair, an improvement is an improvement.. Even if not really much of.
Let's put it as simple as one can make it.. People will argue all day long that the Cat expansion and revamp patch are the best things since sliced bread.. Ask yourself just ONE thing, and one thing only, cause I already have the the answer was clearly , "NO"..
If you think the revamp is so great, would you delete ALL your 80 toons and relevel them in the new amazing 1-60 revamp?... If you can't answer yes to that , then you're just fooling yourself.. I have close to 20 toons total over multiple servers.. Always need backups when my main server is down.. IMO and to many others, the revamp ONLY has content for 2 alts , no more.. I might take 1 alliance, and 1 horde toon through the new content, after that, the revamp zones mean NOTHING.. ZILCH.. NADA. Since the revamp is only good for 2 more alts ( 2 months of gameplay) and the Cat expansion is good for 1 month.. Why bother resubing for 3 months for a game that has the worst end game in the industry.. (in my opinion).. Not worth the $40 and 3 months sub.. I have better use of $85..
Let's put it as simple as one can make it.. People will argue all day long that the Cat expansion and revamp patch are the best things since sliced bread.. Ask yourself just ONE thing, and one thing only, cause I already have the the answer was clearly , "NO"..
If you think the revamp is so great, would you delete ALL your 80 toons and relevel them in the new amazing 1-60 revamp?... If you can't answer yes to that , then you're just fooling yourself.. I have close to 20 toons total over multiple servers.. Always need backups when my main server is down.. IMO and to many others, the revamp ONLY has content for 2 alts , no more.. I might take 1 alliance, and 1 horde toon through the new content, after that, the revamp zones mean NOTHING.. ZILCH.. NADA. Since the revamp is only good for 2 more alts ( 2 months of gameplay) and the Cat expansion is good for 1 month.. Why bother resubing for 3 months for a game that has the worst end game in the industry.. (in my opinion).. Not worth the $40 and 3 months sub.. I have better use of $85..
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Apparently they needed to reconstitute 9+ years of work into a period of 1 year to make the game worthwhile to you.
Good luck finding anything in life that measures up to your retarded ass standards. You might as well wipe your ass with your $85 dollars cause your never going to find anything worth spending it on.
Let's put it as simple as one can make it.. People will argue all day long that the Cat expansion and revamp patch are the best things since sliced bread.. Ask yourself just ONE thing, and one thing only, cause I already have the the answer was clearly , "NO"..
If you think the revamp is so great, would you delete ALL your 80 toons and relevel them in the new amazing 1-60 revamp?... If you can't answer yes to that , then you're just fooling yourself.. I have close to 20 toons total over multiple servers.. Always need backups when my main server is down.. IMO and to many others, the revamp ONLY has content for 2 alts , no more.. I might take 1 alliance, and 1 horde toon through the new content, after that, the revamp zones mean NOTHING.. ZILCH.. NADA. Since the revamp is only good for 2 more alts ( 2 months of gameplay) and the Cat expansion is good for 1 month.. Why bother resubing for 3 months for a game that has the worst end game in the industry.. (in my opinion).. Not worth the $40 and 3 months sub.. I have better use of $85..
Happy Holidays
I think the revamp was good. I think it is silly that someone with 20 toons that obviously had to go through the 1-60 old design is so disappointed, judging by the number of characters you have played with in the old vanilla 1-60 zones, I would say you would more likely make 20 more characters, maybe 10 and since one character=1 month for you you would be playing for 10-20 months, wow certainely worth $40. Nothing is wrong with Cataclysm, you are just burnt out with the game, it happens with every game in the history of games.
Actually, I don't think you ever played wow, or you just trialed it, along with some other posters on this thread that claim they have, judging by their comments.
I have been playing WoW since beta....i have had so many characters i lost count years ago........ and i can honestly say, i like this expansion, and if Blizzard told me i could not make any more alts unless i deleted all my other characters, i would do it in a heart beat.... not cuase im some brainless grindfest freak.. but because from what i have played of the new quests from 1-60, it was fun again... the zones i have been to are different, in every aspect... Just my opinion
You mean just like how FFXIV shows 5 years of work done on it?
Well that is an entire game written from scratch and no i don't believe the 5 years either.Cata is just an xpac and if you read the two separate forums one on bugs and one on BG bugs,there is soooooooo many that makes you wonder,what exactly their coders are doing,since so many bugs make it through a TESTING realm first.
This is a 7 gig patch?FFXIV movie cutscenes alone were 15gb at least.I beleive it was 7gb for game and rest for movies /cutscenes..BTW it is taking more tha n6 months longer,because this si not a finished product ,this is full of bugs/glitches,definitely rushed,definitely not quality work and definitely a lazy effort ,since this actuall ygot through a testing phase already..sad really sad.
releasing bugs has been a big concern for most audiences now a days and most people are in agreement that it should not be accepted,well Blizzard deserves criticism for being as bad as any of them.
Anyone at all believe they took down the forums because of game overload?YA right,they have the accounts/forums on the game servers lol.
The second one is epic,read the post,dude is pissed,he doesn't want Blizz to make a huge patch to fix the graphic glitches,he would rather play a bugged game,this proves what i said about Wow players not caring about the state of the game
Yet another graphic glitch,,guess what ,you still think Blizzard shut down the forums because of overload?Blizzard is trying o keep it hush hush on such a poor qaulity release.
hey to be fair a WOW fanbois video.Funny thing is his eyes need to be checked ,he actually thinks the graphics look great..lmao.Anyhoot notice he says at the beginning,the game is pretty much the same,notice the exclamation over the npc's head...yep the same kindergarten stuff
Umm typical Wow player all excited to do rocket jump ..weeeee.In the video he dies and doesn't know it lol,he says ohhhh umm i just died oh well,yep no biggie to die in Wow because dying in Wow is actually not dying at all,nothing to worry about any noob can die .
Umm notice the character creation same old ,pretty darn bad.
lol listening to the guy in the video,pretty much shows Blizzard has some easy fish to lure in,i think they could have sold this guy a broken fishing rod and he would be happy with it
Oook I just wanted to stay oout of the topic, since I get brandmarket as a ff14 fanboy directly, buutthat review video you linked, I hope he meant it as a joke. I mean I not really see the greatly improved graphics and the goblin looks all cumsy and bet from a design level. I guess almost all other models they have for races look actually better.
Did you know Windows7/Linux/Mac OS all have bugs?! I know right! /sarcasm
I think a lot of people are missing the point of Cata.
"70% of players don't get beyond level 10." by Blizz CEO.
So how do you fix that without pissing off your 12million subs?
Oh.. I dunno. maybe a revamp of the old world so only 30% of players don't get beyond level 10 (which effectively doubles WoW subs if projection stays) with some end game content?
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Has anyone tried the new group content? People said over and over that the new content was gonna be super challenging and not faceroll easy in response to criticism that the game has gotten alot easier. So is the group content challenging like people were claiming it was going to be?
Also, are there any improvements in the graphics department besides the water shaders? For example increase polygon rates or increased texture quality? Lastly, people were also saying 80-85 was going to take so long (that was the defense given when someone would criticize the fact that were only 5 new levels) but some are saying it doesn't take long at all? Just trying to seperate fact from fiction and truth from hype. Thanks in advance!
The people who leveled quickly just skipped all the content... quests, and grinded. Pretty lame way to level if you ask me. But there's nothing stopping them from going through the content with another character.
Dunno so much about that my friends all stuck to the 80-85 quest content which amounted to around a total of 12-18 hours play total . Most said it was far too easy but still fun . None of them I would say are hardcore games (well maybe one is lol and he did it a lot faster ) .
Let's put it as simple as one can make it.. People will argue all day long that the Cat expansion and revamp patch are the best things since sliced bread.. Ask yourself just ONE thing, and one thing only, cause I already have the the answer was clearly , "NO"..
If you think the revamp is so great, would you delete ALL your 80 toons and relevel them in the new amazing 1-60 revamp?... If you can't answer yes to that , then you're just fooling yourself.. I have close to 20 toons total over multiple servers.. Always need backups when my main server is down.. IMO and to many others, the revamp ONLY has content for 2 alts , no more.. I might take 1 alliance, and 1 horde toon through the new content, after that, the revamp zones mean NOTHING.. ZILCH.. NADA. Since the revamp is only good for 2 more alts ( 2 months of gameplay) and the Cat expansion is good for 1 month.. Why bother resubing for 3 months for a game that has the worst end game in the industry.. (in my opinion).. Not worth the $40 and 3 months sub.. I have better use of $85..
Happy Holidays
I think the revamp was good. I think it is silly that someone with 20 toons that obviously had to go through the 1-60 old design is so disappointed, judging by the number of characters you have played with in the old vanilla 1-60 zones, I would say you would more likely make 20 more characters, maybe 10 and since one character=1 month for you you would be playing for 10-20 months, wow certainely worth $40. Nothing is wrong with Cataclysm, you are just burnt out with the game, it happens with every game in the history of games.
Actually, I don't think you ever played wow, or you just trialed it, along with some other posters on this thread that claim they have, judging by their comments. RRRRRRRRRRRRRR wrong answer.. The problem is, I have played WoW for 5 years before cancelling.. I refuse to made another ALT to to justify playing a game because the end game is broken in my opinion.. I have leveled 6 toons to 80, and there isn't anything Earth shattering in the expansion to say, "OH I need to resub".. If Blizzard was truly interested in regrabbing LOST customers, maybe they should of spent LESS time revamping the leveling game and spend more time on revamping the END GAME.. Hell I know 16 players that would come back and play if they redid the end game.....
Let's put it as simple as one can make it.. People will argue all day long that the Cat expansion and revamp patch are the best things since sliced bread.. Ask yourself just ONE thing, and one thing only, cause I already have the the answer was clearly , "NO"..
If you think the revamp is so great, would you delete ALL your 80 toons and relevel them in the new amazing 1-60 revamp?... If you can't answer yes to that , then you're just fooling yourself.. I have close to 20 toons total over multiple servers.. Always need backups when my main server is down.. IMO and to many others, the revamp ONLY has content for 2 alts , no more.. I might take 1 alliance, and 1 horde toon through the new content, after that, the revamp zones mean NOTHING.. ZILCH.. NADA. Since the revamp is only good for 2 more alts ( 2 months of gameplay) and the Cat expansion is good for 1 month.. Why bother resubing for 3 months for a game that has the worst end game in the industry.. (in my opinion).. Not worth the $40 and 3 months sub.. I have better use of $85..
Happy Holidays
I think the revamp was good. I think it is silly that someone with 20 toons that obviously had to go through the 1-60 old design is so disappointed, judging by the number of characters you have played with in the old vanilla 1-60 zones, I would say you would more likely make 20 more characters, maybe 10 and since one character=1 month for you you would be playing for 10-20 months, wow certainely worth $40. Nothing is wrong with Cataclysm, you are just burnt out with the game, it happens with every game in the history of games.
Actually, I don't think you ever played wow, or you just trialed it, along with some other posters on this thread that claim they have, judging by their comments.
I would take the middle view .There isn't anything wrong with the expansion apart from its not gone far enough in revamping the old world .Its just not that diffferent ok some areas are extensivly redesigned . Theres a little more water in the wetlands and a little less in loch modem . theres a big hole in stv . theres fissure in the barrens , There maybe undead thingys wandering dustwallow marsh where there used to be dinorsaurs . South shore is destroyed and now full of blobs . tower point is now more built up . These are the kind of changes you will see . The rest of its much the same .
You will also find you have to take a different path through the game from 1-60 due to places being destroyed and the fissures blocking your way . The mobs and quests are still nearly as easy as prior to the shattering inspite of the hype that they would be significantly more difficult .
Basically if you liked WoW in the last 6 months and could overlook its flaws you ll like this and as a someone thats been away for nearly 2 years I would say its ok but not great . It offers nowhere near the challenge it did even two years ago let alone in vanilla and early burning crusade . If you can enjoy a cakewalk for a couple of months or so you might enjoy it as long as you dont expect too much or a return to the greatness of the first couple of years .
Also in the EU there are 20 + low population servers now and around 15-20 high/full the rest are medium compared to 40+ when the wrath of the lich king was released and only a handful (less than 5) low . This expansion seams to have appealed souly to the converted and not all of them are happy .
My over all opinion so far is that it is inferior the the previous two Xpacs .
RRRRRRRRRRRRRR wrong answer.. The problem is, I have played WoW for 5 years before cancelling.. I refuse to made another ALT to to justify playing a game because the end game is broken in my opinion.. I have leveled 6 toons to 80, and there isn't anything Earth shattering in the expansion to say, "OH I need to resub".. If Blizzard was truly interested in regrabbing LOST customers, maybe they should of spent LESS time revamping the leveling game and spend more time on revamping the END GAME.. Hell I know 16 players that would come back and play if they redid the end game.....
Happy Holidays
You played WOW for 5 years, so you got your moneys worth. The longest i have ever stuck with any MMO is one year maybe 2. After, 5 years of playing its just natural to get burned out. So no matter what Blizzard does will never be good enough for players like you. Sorry but what else do you want? 5 years is a lot of playtime which means the game was really that good and kept you interested for such a long period. The only remedy for you is to move on to something else.
Did you know Windows7/Linux/Mac OS all have bugs?! I know right! /sarcasm
I think a lot of people are missing the point of Cata.
"70% of players don't get beyond level 10." by Blizz CEO.
So how do you fix that without pissing off your 12million subs?
Oh.. I dunno. maybe a revamp of the old world so only 30% of players don't get beyond level 10 (which effectively doubles WoW subs if projection stays) with some end game content?
And still you keep using the "revamp" as Cataclysm expansion content.. Really... Revamp = FREE global patch to correct problems.. Cataclysm EXPANSION = $40 and you get 2 races and zones and a couple minor perks.. These are 2 ENTIRELY different content changes paid by 2 different pocket books.. Using your excuse for Cataclysm of the 30% retention rate.. First, NO GAME will ever have a big retention % becaue you can't please everyone.. I would bet that under perfect conditions that no game would ever get over 50%.. This is like fighting over unemployment numbers.. Which 90% of the general public dont' know that 5% unemployment is considered FULL employment.. Why? Because some people just wont' work period.. even if you lead them to a job.. Same with gamers.. NO matter how you cater to a gamer, some just will never stay and play no matter what you do..
In fact many people that have bought the game NEVER knew it was a subscription game, and that is one HUGE reason why you'll not achieve a high retention percentage.. My great niece is a perfect example.. She put WoW on her Christmas (grrrr a 12 year wanting to play it because of commercials).. lol Anyways.. No one in the family knew it was a subscription game.. How many thousands of family or friends bought these games for whoever wanted them.. only to find afterwards what they were??
BTW.. Blizzard KNOWs damn well they are not going to increase numbers that high.. That is why they didn't add new servers.. and HAVE not since Cataclysm release.. The hype of mega increase in numbers is superficial.. NO NEW SERVERS tells us all we need to know.. However I wouldn't be surprised if in a month or two they add a couple servers.. NOT because they have to, but because it would be good "marketing".. Companies love to brag how they added new servers because of demand.. LOL
Happy Holidays and good luck with WoW.. as I'm sure 6 months from now, people will be talking about how EMPTY the 1-60 revamp zones are.. Mark this post for future review
RRRRRRRRRRRRRR wrong answer.. The problem is, I have played WoW for 5 years before cancelling.. I refuse to made another ALT to to justify playing a game because the end game is broken in my opinion.. I have leveled 6 toons to 80, and there isn't anything Earth shattering in the expansion to say, "OH I need to resub".. If Blizzard was truly interested in regrabbing LOST customers, maybe they should of spent LESS time revamping the leveling game and spend more time on revamping the END GAME.. Hell I know 16 players that would come back and play if they redid the end game.....
Happy Holidays
You played WOW for 5 years, so you got your moneys worth. The longest i have ever stuck with any MMO is one year maybe 2. After, 5 years of playing its just natural to get burned out. So no matter what Blizzard does will never be good enough for players like you. Sorry but what else do you want? 5 years is a lot of playtime which means the game was really that good and kept you interested for such a long period. The only remedy for you is to move on to something else.
Happy Holidays.. Actually I should of said .. off and on for 5 years.. I had other hobbies during that time.. But yeah.. I'm burned out on the lame stilly "dungeon grind" for gear.. I prefer a game that surprised me when I log on.. You know? Such as when I log on, I want to ask myself.. "what do I do today".. "What new trouble can I get into"........ That does not excist in WoW, and of the 5 years I played off and on.. the last years since BC have been more like waiting for corrections that never came.. This reminds me of SWG in a way.. I liked the game in the beginning, but it changed and too many game breakers.. I waited months for those to get fixed, and when they announced NGE, I was done.. Same with Cataclysm, it was the NGE promise that didnt' address my issues.. /Cancel
BTW.. I went back to playing EQ2 and enjoying myself casuall.. I"m glad at the changes they made in the since I played it early on.. GW2 is looking attractive too.. Not sure about Rift yet..
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Well that is an entire game written from scratch and no i don't believe the 5 years either.Cata is just an xpac and if you read the two separate forums one on bugs and one on BG bugs,there is soooooooo many that makes you wonder,what exactly their coders are doing,since so many bugs make it through a TESTING realm first.
This is a 7 gig patch?FFXIV movie cutscenes alone were 15gb at least.I beleive it was 7gb for game and rest for movies /cutscenes..BTW it is taking more tha n6 months longer,because this si not a finished product ,this is full of bugs/glitches,definitely rushed,definitely not quality work and definitely a lazy effort ,since this actuall ygot through a testing phase already..sad really sad.
releasing bugs has been a big concern for most audiences now a days and most people are in agreement that it should not be accepted,well Blizzard deserves criticism for being as bad as any of them.
Anyone at all believe they took down the forums because of game overload?YA right,they have the accounts/forums on the game servers lol.
Bugs
The second one is epic,read the post,dude is pissed,he doesn't want Blizz to make a huge patch to fix the graphic glitches,he would rather play a bugged game,this proves what i said about Wow players not caring about the state of the game
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Yet another graphic glitch,,guess what ,you still think Blizzard shut down the forums because of overload?Blizzard is trying o keep it hush hush on such a poor qaulity release.
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hey to be fair a WOW fanbois video.Funny thing is his eyes need to be checked ,he actually thinks the graphics look great..lmao.Anyhoot notice he says at the beginning,the game is pretty much the same,notice the exclamation over the npc's head...yep the same kindergarten stuff
Umm typical Wow player all excited to do rocket jump ..weeeee.In the video he dies and doesn't know it lol,he says ohhhh umm i just died oh well,yep no biggie to die in Wow because dying in Wow is actually not dying at all,nothing to worry about any noob can die
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Umm notice the character creation same old ,pretty darn bad.
Cataclysym review
lol listening to the guy in the video,pretty much shows Blizzard has some easy fish to lure in,i think they could have sold this guy a broken fishing rod and he would be happy with it
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
hmm well i didnt know cataclysm shipped out in july but maybe i'm just a blind fanboy lol
Rofl, Lord Draekon, simply because you're not satisfied doesnt mean millions of "stupid people" also aren't. From what I hear, new players are gonna be having a ton more fun, and old players are going to enjoy going back and seeing things again, not to mention raiding new places, going to new dungeons, etc, just like always.
Let them take as long as they want, it's the fans who decide, and it doesn't make them stupid simply because they enjoy the entertainment that they do.
Maple Story's "Big Bang" was mentioned in this thread as being a bigger expansion? The games 2D...need I say more?
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Everyone on this site:
1: MMORPGs are DOOMED, and I have the answers to save them!
2: THIS game's gonna kill WoW!
3: I wish things would go back to the Golden Age of MMORPGs, which only existed in my mind...
Why is every one bashing the guy who made it to 85? Not like he did ALL the new stuff in the game in 5 hours. He just grinded, and grinded, and grinded 'til he hit level 85. If you'd actually did all the stuff that's been added for the game it would take quite alot more time than 5 hours. But hey, I could be wrong. Since leveling seems to be the only reason to play games today. Exploring, questing and communication is just in the way for the REAL game experience.
The people who leveled quickly just skipped all the content... quests, and grinded. Pretty lame way to level if you ask me. But there's nothing stopping them from going through the content with another character.
Let me put it in this perspectief .
What gain is there to level slow ?
Fast levelers go back and do the quest with ease and gain tons of gold from them .
Fast levelers gain territory to all the hot zones and can sell there ores and other stuff for premium price.
Fast levelers can do a couple quick quest to fill up the guild bar levels.
Only thing slow levelers got for them is .
....... well fun .
Thats about it .. sadly slow levelers dont get rewarded at all .
In this system where fast levelers get all the benefit , slow levelers get punished infact .
So all the things about slow leveling , infact they dont even get rewarded in this system .
Speaking of those "new players", it's a real hoot reading people gushing about how great the reworked areas are, apparently blissfully unaware that all Blizzard did was plop assets from Northrend onto the old continents. Treating something that's been in the game for years as something new and shine is willfully ignorant. The new quest progressions are theme park rides, nothing more, nothing less and the phased content is problematic at best.
Right now the game is chock full of a lot of annoying little bugs. Blizzard's priority? Fixing the sounds and animations on their Blizzcon giveaway companion pet. People who aren't satisfied are the ones who remember when Blizzard cared about their product. Activision-Blizzard doesn't.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
MapleStory. Their BigBang patch is arguably bigger.
on some level I guess it is but not really a good bigger. It is bigger as in it will undoubtly take longer to beat because that game is a huge grind and bosses will take forever to be downed. Wow however will be much higher quality but as with their last xpac i think people will soon be through it but we shall see.
edit: might want to calm down the mplaying its only wed. and you have 25 hours play time haha:)
They reduced the grind with 50%.There are 2 new continents.
XP is reduced big time. 5 times faster until level 70.
Twice as fast until max level.
The whole gameworld is rearranged (Cataclysm).
2 new classes.
Quest oriented instead of the grind.
This is patchpart 1 of 3.
About the 25 hours, for some reason xfire sees the gamelauncher as ingame. Me and my brother waited like 15 hours while they were patching the game.. 25 hours as a result.
Trust me, you wouldn't have to skip content to level quickly if you could roll through the quests without your eyes glazing over, especially if you have help. One of my 80's is currently chewing through the new content and I finally stopped because my mind started going numb. There are no inns to log out in, so I just kept going in hopes of finding a place to rest. Finally, after locating the flight path, I hearthed back to a city. The biggest challenge in the quests I found was when I got overwhelmed by the sometimes ridiculous respawn rates.
There's also been mention of expoits being used by some of the "Firsts". Heck, within the span of a few minutes, there were a couple of Level 85 server firsts on the server I was playing on last night. Blizzard's "Friends & Family"-centric testing gives rise to those who don't report exploits, but withold them to use when the expansions go live.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
I am not a staunch defender of FFXIV,i don't play it because it is inferior to FFXI,but imo is still better than Wow.
When you talkWow "content" are we talking chasing more exclamation marks over npc heads?I don't call that content,i am sorry that is just Blizzards leveling mechanics,to lead players into a linear path .no thinking,just follow the exclamation marks.
When you say "DO",what does one do in Wow from level 1?Oh ya chase exclamation marks.That is why so many were confused in FFXIV,they thought that is the ONLY way to design a game,so people were lost,i guess Wow really did dumb down the MMORPG player base.
Umm comparing content of a 6+ year old game that has made MILLIONS to a brand new ,obviously unfinished game,like FFXIV?How about compare it to FFXI?Sqaure Enix blows the doors off of Blizzard for unique content,not even close there.
BTW Blizzard announcing it took them 6 mnths longer was actually like biting their own hand.This is because they still released a pile of bugs,what do you think FFXIV will be like 6 months after release?I am willing to bet FFXIV will be bug free and even some of the nuiances that were bothering people will be gone.I think Blizzard needed another 6 months on this release and probably still finding glitches/bugs.
BTW Square Enix does not utilize a test server,they release what they have,Blizzard uses a test server and still releases tons of bugs.So don't go comparing a poor release like Cataclysym to FFXIV when Blizzard's release is no better ,i would say even worse.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Yes, yes they are theme park rides, my friend, and guess what, people LOVE theme park rides. Lol, what do you think entertainment is, anyway? It's not companies CARING about anything, it's about making a game fun. Who cares how they accomplish these things, who cares about the code if it's FUN. You're just angry because you've grown embittered and bored of the ride; that's no fault of the park that you're not happy with the ride anymore.
"THINGS USED TO BE GREAT!", gotta add that to my sig's stereotypes list.
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Everyone on this site:
1: MMORPGs are DOOMED, and I have the answers to save them!
2: THIS game's gonna kill WoW!
3: I wish things would go back to the Golden Age of MMORPGs, which only existed in my mind...
LMAO... He was really impressed with these graphics... Wow, oh god, don't show him games like Vindictus.. He just might cream all over himself..
But to be fair, an improvement is an improvement.. Even if not really much of.
Let's put it as simple as one can make it.. People will argue all day long that the Cat expansion and revamp patch are the best things since sliced bread.. Ask yourself just ONE thing, and one thing only, cause I already have the the answer was clearly , "NO"..
If you think the revamp is so great, would you delete ALL your 80 toons and relevel them in the new amazing 1-60 revamp?... If you can't answer yes to that , then you're just fooling yourself.. I have close to 20 toons total over multiple servers.. Always need backups when my main server is down.. IMO and to many others, the revamp ONLY has content for 2 alts , no more.. I might take 1 alliance, and 1 horde toon through the new content, after that, the revamp zones mean NOTHING.. ZILCH.. NADA. Since the revamp is only good for 2 more alts ( 2 months of gameplay) and the Cat expansion is good for 1 month.. Why bother resubing for 3 months for a game that has the worst end game in the industry.. (in my opinion).. Not worth the $40 and 3 months sub.. I have better use of $85..
Happy Holidays
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Apparently they needed to reconstitute 9+ years of work into a period of 1 year to make the game worthwhile to you.
Good luck finding anything in life that measures up to your retarded ass standards. You might as well wipe your ass with your $85 dollars cause your never going to find anything worth spending it on.
I think the revamp was good. I think it is silly that someone with 20 toons that obviously had to go through the 1-60 old design is so disappointed, judging by the number of characters you have played with in the old vanilla 1-60 zones, I would say you would more likely make 20 more characters, maybe 10 and since one character=1 month for you you would be playing for 10-20 months, wow certainely worth $40. Nothing is wrong with Cataclysm, you are just burnt out with the game, it happens with every game in the history of games.
Actually, I don't think you ever played wow, or you just trialed it, along with some other posters on this thread that claim they have, judging by their comments.
-I want a Platformer MMO
I have been playing WoW since beta....i have had so many characters i lost count years ago........ and i can honestly say, i like this expansion, and if Blizzard told me i could not make any more alts unless i deleted all my other characters, i would do it in a heart beat.... not cuase im some brainless grindfest freak.. but because from what i have played of the new quests from 1-60, it was fun again... the zones i have been to are different, in every aspect... Just my opinion
Oook I just wanted to stay oout of the topic, since I get brandmarket as a ff14 fanboy directly, buutthat review video you linked, I hope he meant it as a joke. I mean I not really see the greatly improved graphics and the goblin looks all cumsy and bet from a design level. I guess almost all other models they have for races look actually better.
*Gasp* a large program has bugs!
Did you know Windows7/Linux/Mac OS all have bugs?! I know right! /sarcasm
I think a lot of people are missing the point of Cata.
"70% of players don't get beyond level 10." by Blizz CEO.
So how do you fix that without pissing off your 12million subs?
Oh.. I dunno. maybe a revamp of the old world so only 30% of players don't get beyond level 10 (which effectively doubles WoW subs if projection stays) with some end game content?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Has anyone tried the new group content? People said over and over that the new content was gonna be super challenging and not faceroll easy in response to criticism that the game has gotten alot easier. So is the group content challenging like people were claiming it was going to be?
Also, are there any improvements in the graphics department besides the water shaders? For example increase polygon rates or increased texture quality? Lastly, people were also saying 80-85 was going to take so long (that was the defense given when someone would criticize the fact that were only 5 new levels) but some are saying it doesn't take long at all? Just trying to seperate fact from fiction and truth from hype. Thanks in advance!
Dunno so much about that my friends all stuck to the 80-85 quest content which amounted to around a total of 12-18 hours play total . Most said it was far too easy but still fun . None of them I would say are hardcore games (well maybe one is lol and he did it a lot faster ) .
I would take the middle view .There isn't anything wrong with the expansion apart from its not gone far enough in revamping the old world .Its just not that diffferent ok some areas are extensivly redesigned . Theres a little more water in the wetlands and a little less in loch modem . theres a big hole in stv . theres fissure in the barrens , There maybe undead thingys wandering dustwallow marsh where there used to be dinorsaurs . South shore is destroyed and now full of blobs . tower point is now more built up . These are the kind of changes you will see . The rest of its much the same .
You will also find you have to take a different path through the game from 1-60 due to places being destroyed and the fissures blocking your way . The mobs and quests are still nearly as easy as prior to the shattering inspite of the hype that they would be significantly more difficult .
Basically if you liked WoW in the last 6 months and could overlook its flaws you ll like this and as a someone thats been away for nearly 2 years I would say its ok but not great . It offers nowhere near the challenge it did even two years ago let alone in vanilla and early burning crusade . If you can enjoy a cakewalk for a couple of months or so you might enjoy it as long as you dont expect too much or a return to the greatness of the first couple of years .
Also in the EU there are 20 + low population servers now and around 15-20 high/full the rest are medium compared to 40+ when the wrath of the lich king was released and only a handful (less than 5) low . This expansion seams to have appealed souly to the converted and not all of them are happy .
My over all opinion so far is that it is inferior the the previous two Xpacs .
You played WOW for 5 years, so you got your moneys worth. The longest i have ever stuck with any MMO is one year maybe 2. After, 5 years of playing its just natural to get burned out. So no matter what Blizzard does will never be good enough for players like you. Sorry but what else do you want? 5 years is a lot of playtime which means the game was really that good and kept you interested for such a long period. The only remedy for you is to move on to something else.
Bite Me
And still you keep using the "revamp" as Cataclysm expansion content.. Really... Revamp = FREE global patch to correct problems.. Cataclysm EXPANSION = $40 and you get 2 races and zones and a couple minor perks.. These are 2 ENTIRELY different content changes paid by 2 different pocket books.. Using your excuse for Cataclysm of the 30% retention rate.. First, NO GAME will ever have a big retention % becaue you can't please everyone.. I would bet that under perfect conditions that no game would ever get over 50%.. This is like fighting over unemployment numbers.. Which 90% of the general public dont' know that 5% unemployment is considered FULL employment.. Why? Because some people just wont' work period.. even if you lead them to a job.. Same with gamers.. NO matter how you cater to a gamer, some just will never stay and play no matter what you do..
In fact many people that have bought the game NEVER knew it was a subscription game, and that is one HUGE reason why you'll not achieve a high retention percentage.. My great niece is a perfect example.. She put WoW on her Christmas (grrrr a 12 year wanting to play it because of commercials).. lol Anyways.. No one in the family knew it was a subscription game.. How many thousands of family or friends bought these games for whoever wanted them.. only to find afterwards what they were??
BTW.. Blizzard KNOWs damn well they are not going to increase numbers that high.. That is why they didn't add new servers.. and HAVE not since Cataclysm release.. The hype of mega increase in numbers is superficial.. NO NEW SERVERS tells us all we need to know.. However I wouldn't be surprised if in a month or two they add a couple servers.. NOT because they have to, but because it would be good "marketing".. Companies love to brag how they added new servers because of demand.. LOL
Happy Holidays and good luck with WoW.. as I'm sure 6 months from now, people will be talking about how EMPTY the 1-60 revamp zones are.. Mark this post for future review
Happy Holidays.. Actually I should of said .. off and on for 5 years.. I had other hobbies during that time.. But yeah.. I'm burned out on the lame stilly "dungeon grind" for gear.. I prefer a game that surprised me when I log on.. You know? Such as when I log on, I want to ask myself.. "what do I do today".. "What new trouble can I get into"........ That does not excist in WoW, and of the 5 years I played off and on.. the last years since BC have been more like waiting for corrections that never came.. This reminds me of SWG in a way.. I liked the game in the beginning, but it changed and too many game breakers.. I waited months for those to get fixed, and when they announced NGE, I was done.. Same with Cataclysm, it was the NGE promise that didnt' address my issues.. /Cancel
BTW.. I went back to playing EQ2 and enjoying myself casuall.. I"m glad at the changes they made in the since I played it early on.. GW2 is looking attractive too..
Not sure about Rift yet..