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It doesn't stop : Blizzard adds the new wargames already this week
Berty18
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The goal is to challenge friends and foes on your servers. Remember your old enemies ?http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1597874
They call it wargames. You choose the ground and number.
I say it will be a smashing hit and supplements the rated Battlegrounds.
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it's too bad they went this direction. It obviously appeals to some, but I bet most who do it, do it only out of boredom and to get gear. world domination pvp could have been great...
That's another form of pvp in cata:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1159457
that's Tol Barad.
The more they move away from world pvp, the less interested I get in this game. Thanks for sharing this. Just another reason for me not to reactivate the account. WoW has become a mini-group game with social hubs where people load off items to Auction House or share tradeskills.
This new game feature is just another shallow addition to it's ranks. I do not say it is not for the good for the game, but seriously, this is far from considered to be any "MMO game feature"; it is nothing but a mini game for small groups of the player base.
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
Did you even bother to read the link?
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
To all the brilliant ppl who didnt even bother to read a single sentence about what wargames is: its a feature that lets you practice tactics or try out recruits in arenas or bgs without risk of hurting your rating in either. It doesnt reward any items or points or rankings, nothing. Its just a tool to practice pvp in specific arenas and battlegrounds of your choosing.
Yeah.. wow.. way to fail at reading
1. There are no rewards
2. There is a whole new area for world PVP. Bigger and more complex than WG.
Also, on a side note.. Blizzard announced today they sold 3.3 million copies of Cataclysm in the first 24 hours. Beating WotLK which 'only' sold 2.8M in the first day.
I like the idea of a Battleground wargame, being able to play AV with a group of people that arent random, vs another organised team (instead of Premade jumping into a game to decimate a PuG) could make for some oldschool fun.
However Tol Barad would have me worried if I was still playing.
"80 players per faction to engage in brutal combat across the island's surface. Unlike Wintergrasp, Tol Barad will not have Tenacity buffs. Instead, the queue system will attempt to match each side at a 1-to-1 ratio."
On a server I played on, it was not uncommong to have upwards of 15 tenacity, and having more than two full groups of your faction in attendence was not a common occurance. For the servers that are so heavily skewed for population balance, I see this as a kick in the teeth for those on the highly populated faction as they cannot enter the content on a regular basis.
Wintergrasp was retarded in the way they tried to fix it, and the most simple and elegant solution would be to have the city save its state until won. That ensures that the underpopulated side could mount successive attacks and weaken walls and doors to a point where, even if outnumbered, with tenacity and after each game the state is saved (Destroyed walls/doors do not regenerate, Door hp however will) so that even in a 3:1 ratio server, the underpopulated side still managed to win the battleground once in a while. Tol Barad looks to me like it will be a massive QQ from both factions when they overpopulate a server, and by painting themselves into a 1:1 ratio, they just screwed over the top heavy faction.
So it's /duel for groups?
That's actually pretty damned brilliant.
That's interesting. I actually posted that ideas a while ago on here. Maybe I need to remove my thread for my map design...
Anyways, I don't really see a point in this. Like some posters already stated, they are completly destroying the world pvp element. To me, that was by far the most fun I've had in PVP in WoW.
World of Warcraft has just sustianed the title of "MMOLG" Massive Multiplayer Lobby Game. No world immersion, no true elements from a true mmo. You log into a game, not a world. And yet, what ever Blizzard does, everyone will copy. Why? I don't know. Integrity surely has nothing to do with it.
WoW's PvP is absolutly FUBARd, I dont know why anyone would bother with that.
Its a simple milliseconds killfest where the HAVES rape the HAVE NOTS so hard and so fast that their head is still spinning 30 minutes after the fight has ended.
no.
A game called Global Agenda implemented this 1-2 months ago. I wonder if Blizzard came up with it themselves..
nom nom nom
Well, here is a thought, GET THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT FOR THE JOB or just do not pvp.
its not often that i get to voice an opinion of "mmo experience" im confident with.
but when it comes to wow pvp, i have quite a bit experience. whats interesting for me, and i think relevent to this conversation, is that since launch, i have about 1 year or so of actualy /played time in the battlegrounds. all of it under level 50.
i actually enjoy wow's pvp mechanic above anything else. its all ive ever done and why my toons always stayed such a low level. when i started i used to turn in my 6 marks to get my quest xp and thats how i leveled. it was SLOW but hey, i was getting something. then they took that away, and i quit a lot, much of gaps in my playtime during that period (post bc). then they brought in pvp xp and i picked my months subbed back up and played a bit more (time allowing, i decided to go back to college last year).
so anyway, now that i have given you a little groundwork about me and my experience I want to talk about a popular opinion, that in my opinion is just flat out urban myth.
a lot of people say "wow pvp is about gear". i have to say, thats complete bs.
the one thing wow does well, and what keeps me coming back to their pvp mechanic, is if you are smart, play your characters strengths, the game will reward you.
I have no heirlooms on any of my toons. i dont think ive ever spent more than 20 gold on a single piece even for my toons in the 50's. most of the time, im just rolling with pvp gear from the ab and wsg pvp vendors.
id say, and i realize, this sounds like an exaggerated number, but after thinking about it, its not. id say 90% of all wow pvp players that are geared are absolutely terrible at the game. just horrible. i cant tell you how many times i see daily, yes daily, a geared player under 50 running into a group of 3 solo with no heals. it happens like 10x per bg, doing stupid things like trying to toe to toe classes that match up better against them.
theres no greater satisfaction for me, than the feeling i get 20x a day facerolling players with multiple 80's and near unlimited budgets for their toons. with only things i can pick up here and there.
i really need to invest in fraps. maybe when i get paid next week. throw some vids up on wegame for you guys to see what im talking about. unedtied, raw gameplay. i dont mind people seeing how i play. its not like i have any secrets. i just do my best not to "play stupid" =p
you dont need top gear to pvp well in wow. thats 100% urban legend.
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com
Well, it is pretty gear based... If you prefer PvP based on skill there is Guildwars.
Gear is the main carrot in Wow for anything and the entire endgame is about getting better gear. Anyone who doesn't like that is playing the wrong game.
No game is perfect and some games are focused on other thing instead. Happiness when playing a MMO is finding ones that is focusing on stuff you prefer.
Wows PvP is not FUBAR (even though we can discuss the balance) but the guy with the best gear have an immense advantage. And I wouldn't hurt for them to have a PvP option where everyone from the same class get the same gear on as well as the regular one.
Loke you keep talking about pvp in Guild Wars, I thought it was destroyed when PvX wiki came out?
and to raid you must know the fights, be overgeared for the content by atleast 500 Gearscore, etc.
There can be no excuses for not having done it before or being the best geared you can be for your level, oh wait, link me your achievements. hey, I just checked the achievements and looked you up on Armory....you haven't done this raid on that toon before and you can actually use 2 or 3 drops from the raid as upgrades. GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY RAID!!!!!!!
/current_state_of_the_game_off
:P
that amounts to be less than 5% of the real problem
the other 95% is REROLL THE CURRENT FOTM SETUP
This is a pretty interesting system in fact...
However, the problem might be to actually find groups to duel (that are online and with sufficient numbers at that moment), unless you make a deal beforehand, which I don't see happening a lot outside of some more hardcore circuits.
Good to have nonetheless.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
No it's completely factual. You sound like you know lower level pvp inside out, but at max level, will full talents and full gear the difference between an undergeared toon and a fully geared toon is far greater. The likely reason you see lower level twinks charging undergeared chars 3v1 is that it's entirely possible to win fights like that at max level if there's enough of a gear discrepancy.
MUNDO!!
It's almost impossible to get into the Tol Barad battle if you are on the more populous side. My ally toon is on an ally dominated server. I've tried for 3 days to get into the Tol Barad battle, never got in.
And this guy here believes WoW pvp takes skill. Get a secondary education and maybe you will stop being so ignorant.
Figured that would happen, I understood them trying to fix wintersgrasp because of the population differences, but for me, fixing WG was an easy solution to save the state of the battlefield after each battle (Wall/door down stay down, door hp gets a reset) at least that was a severely outnumbered faction could make good use of tenacity to win a WG in 2 or 3 cycles by chipping away walls for a rush to the door, rather than a complete lockout.
The 1:1 ratio is just going to disenfranchise those with a numerical advantage, and just highlight Blizzards lack of server balancing for too many years. I was under the impression (from chatting in game) that most PvP servers are Horde favored and most PvE are Ally dominated, im not sure if thats true, but it leaves a problem for both types of realms when balancing, do you send PvP realm players to PvE realms to balance, or vice versa? Consolidate realms and remove any last semblence of Realm community and realm pride? or hope that Cata brings new players and then hope that they roll toons on the underpopulated side for the type of realm they like?
The underdogs get to enjoy instant queue times, but at the expense of the more populated factions play? I stopped playing Aion because of the incompetence in server balancing and lack of making swift decisions, at least in WoW the entire game is not disrupted by population imbalance, just the last futile attempt at world PvP.
From a RP perspective, this is actually quite damn attractive... or from event organizing in general.
Now you can keep Battlegrounds tournaments... championships or even league! without any of that e-sport thing. You could veritably form a BLOOD BOWL like league in WoW dedicated to various battlegrounds. Get your "players", form your team and ... well there is some good potential here! Mostly the idea that Blizzard is opening up places that were accessible before only under certain circumstances to about everyone.
I do not see the reason for such hostility. Battlegrounds existed even before, people that want to use them will go on using them, this will not exactly kill whatever world pvp there is, I am sure.
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