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Just tried the demo
kishe
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It seems like a good game to play if you want a game you can play for a hour a day and have fun with plus it does soothe that tiny trekkie inside you quite well.
But if you're powergamer, havent ever watched/read/listened to star trek or are unemployed with way too much time to spend...then you WONT like it.
Dunno if it was just the demo (by reading these boards, its not) but the game seems to be overgenerous with skillpoints and gear so no wonder people run out of things to do fast.
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If by powergamer, you mean playing MORE than an hour at a time, ever, then fine.
People that play at even reasonable levels, I would dare say even "normal" for an mmo (a 6-10 hours during the week and more on the weekend) will hit max level and run out of new content well within the first (free) month. And everything is just exactly the same, should you roll another toon, no replay value whatsoever, so why bother?
When this game first came out, "powergamers" in the true sense of the word, hit max level in 3 days. "Normals" in 7-10. Things are no different now.
And, I would say, that if a person happened to "ever watch/read/listen to star trek" because of the poor job Cryptic has done, they would be less likely to enjoy the game, not more as you contend, because of the utter hash Cryptic makes of the ST universe and canon (there are far too many examples to list). (True ST fans are among Cryptic's biggest critics and Cryptic came out and said they were not making this game for ST fans, at one point).
Lots of people like the demo or enjoy STO for the first week, and come to the various forums to sing its praises. All too often they are back a couple weeks later changing their toon because they ran out of stuff to do and wanted to cancel before having to pay an unnecessary (and undeserved) sub fee.
Heck I saw a post on the STO forums were a Klingon player said he maxed out in 8 days. Given the grind that's impressive.
The "this game is not for power gamers" argument is so last february.
I have to back this up.
I brought a lifetime sub right away because I knew it would be a game I would come back to after steaming through at the start. After 120 hours in game I just had the daily missions left and left for a while (start march) so I left. I came back in June and played for the month finding new enjoyable content and due to real life stuff left at the end of June and now with Season 3 out I am playing catch up again. When I logged in again in December I found the game took 10 minutes for all the XP updates to be applied, it was like winning the lottery. I also found that nearly everything in my inventory was worth a fortune (prototypes and the like) The way I see it now is that I have another 100 hours or so to catch up easy and I am happy reading the log of additions that were applied during my time away.
Right now for anyone starting up I would say there is easily 6-8 months worth of content. I was also suprised and happy to see a decent population still!
I don't think you understood the person you quoted: They were referring to the intial launch of STO and most players hitting the cap before the free 30 days were up. People started complaining, and Cryptic stated that those people "just didn't get it." Cryptic also labelled anyone who hit the cap within the 30 day period as power gamers, despite the fact that many had stated they completed all the quests,tried the PvP, etc.
I believe what bstiff was trying to get across was that the b.s. power gamer label that STO fans like to stick on anyone who doesn't heap praises upon STO is so outdated, and so patently false, that it is ludicrous to even use it now. In other words, it was put forth by Cryptic, proven to be untrue, and is just silly to try and use now.
As for the '200 hours' of STO content? Try that somewhere where they don't know any better. It may be taking you 200 hours to go through everything, but all that means is that you are one of the ultra-casual gamers. In that case you should enjoy your bite-sized play sessions in STO, as only the very casual players seem to enjoy it since they don't get enough of the game at one time to notice all of the flaws.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
While the faction is still grindy in comparison to the Feds, remember that the Klingons do have more content available to them now. Not much, but they have more to utilize now thatn they did for a long time.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I'm curious Dinedae if you have an active account with STO. Have you played any of Season 3? You can quote offical forums of people beating the game in one day all you want but that still doesn't define a majority in my opinion. You can find those quotes in any MMO on this site. Just trying to define this "ulta-casual" gamer.
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I am quite sure you haven't played STO in a long time since all your info is outdated. You remind me of AOC disgruntled fans who kept bashing it after whole year on their experince based on launch. Foolish? yes.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
So you are saying that the Klingon faction now has an amount of content equal to the Federation's? According to STO's own website (specifically update/patch notes), that is not so. I think I'm going to take Cryptic's word on the matter over yours. If you do not like dissent about STO, I suggest you stick to the official STO werbsite forums where it is not allowed. The ironic things is, I was actually defending the Klingon faction a bit in the post you quoted.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I am not a STO fanboy by any means but i just find it amusing that someone is still bashing a game on outdated info. When was the last time you played STO?
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
I don't know if the last time he played the game is even relevant when as he pointed out Cryptic even admit's the Klingon's don't have as much content as the feds. Basically there are two ways to know something experience and word of mouth, if the devs are even saying it is content light why would one feel the need to try the game just to prove them wrong?
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I am talking about overall content in game and not just klingon. And no game is not content lite anymore. So yeah if you haven't played the game recently, its just an un informed opinion and nothing more.
Hey i bit*ch and moan all the time about games but atleast i try to keep myself upto date.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Having been able to complete the new content up to, but not including Season 3 during the last free weekend(on Friday, matter of fact), I have no reason to believe that Season 3 has suddenly tacked on 250% more content (200 hours) than it originally had. My guess is I'll be able to complete it as well on the next free weekend, unless they put restrictions in.
There's content lite, and there's CRYPTIC content lite. STO lacks a decent economy, downtime activities, a robust, interesting crafting system, social areas, and vast, explorable areas. Even most content lite MMO's have at least one of those things. STO has some entertaining episode content, a few STF's, that until now you couldn't even repeat. WIth the rest of the "content" being random instances of get/use/kill missions, that's content lite on a miserable scale.
There's NOTHING worth doing other than the episode missions. Most MMO's have SOMETHING else entertaining or useful to do other than its main content. STO has NOTHING.
So actually paid for it again after you left it the first time to keep your self up to date?
Hate to break it to you but STO is very content lite . When it was released it had 40 hours of actual mission content . This is the non-repeatable quests. This is the same as most single player games worth of content.
Then they released the STF's not everyone is able to do these , each one consuming possible 2 hours of time, less depending on the people in the group.
Then the big Klingon content patch , a whole 8 hours , wow ! Plus the DSE klingon version, which was incidently buggy as hell for a very long time , eventually fixed.
The next push came with the weekly episodes, in total currently 10 maybe 15 hours worth of content.
Season 3 is about two things fixing bugs and the Foundry . The bug fix is long overdue. The foundry is basically the basis of the next game in Cryptics to do list NWN OMG. They opened a sector for Klingons to gain crafting supplies to quickly catch up to Feds, BFD !
I'd say it's still lite , especially since in Febuary it'll be a year and they have yet to double the content . They will depend on the player base to do that for them , with the Foundry. So basically you'll be paying Cryptic to produce content for them . Oh, I forgot the best part , they're going add the replayable missions option, again BFD ! I think I've covered everything pretty throughly.
So basically, you're just trying to troll then. The discussion was regarding AG-Vuk's following statement:
"Heck I saw a post on the STO forums were a Klingon player said he maxed out in 8 days. Given the grind that's impressive."
I was stating that levelling up a Klingon is no longer as difficult as it had been in the past, due to the added content. You seem to have not grasped that, and went off on a tangent concerning overall content added. So please enlighten us as to how that is outdated information. Are you saying that the Klingons no longer have access to that added content (Klingon PvE missions, shared Fed/Klingon missions, etc.)?
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
OMG....I thought they had you there....you wascally wabbit...
RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!
I am new to STO (just did trial and now getting the game). I must say that for a very casual MMO player, playing 6-10 hours during the week as mentioned in the first reply with more time on weekends seems like a lot of playing time
. With a more than full time job, a family (including young kids), and other hobbies, I simply do not game more than 3-6 hours the entire week at best. Some weeks, the computer does not even get turned on anymore.
With that said, games like STO are a good option for me. At least I can play for a bit and have fun and actually achieve something. It is way better than getting a bubble or two toward some illusive level goal.
I really doubt that any game can satisfy some of the true power gamers out there from a content standpoint. They simply can devote so much time to pushing through.
For me, I would rather have a reasonable amount of quality content than a bunch of generic grind contenet. We can all argue over whether STO has adequate content or not, but it is a good diversion game. It would truly be perfect for me if it was Free to play (cash shop) or pay for actual time played, but that is perhaps a bit too much to ask.
In response to your reply to Avery are you not doing the same thing? You're forum camping, trolling and have no clue on content wise and only go on forum posts because you don't have an account to STO to judge for yourself. How do you know it is ultra casual for 200hrs of play? Have you played any of Season 3?
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I am pretty sure its you who said this
'As for the '200 hours' of STO content? Try that somewhere where they don't know any better. It may be taking you 200 hours to go through everything, but all that means is that you are one of the ultra-casual gamers'
And that is where you are wrong. So my post was not just about Klingon part but over all content in the game. As far as hardcore crowd is concrned no content is good enough for them. Gaming companies do not design their content keeping hardcore players in mind who can afford to spend 12 hours a day in front of PC. Avery is correct regarding the content of game but you trolled him anyways.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
How does one play bug fixes?
RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!
Do repeatable missions now with a different challenge level.
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Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate.
Wouldn't this require we have to pay for the updated content, which should have been available when I originally purchased the game? To answer your question, no. I am not foolish enough to drop more money for this game. And I quite agree with anyone who warns anyone off this game based on thier beta, Season 1 or Season 2 experiences. They showed a total lack of respect for the consumer then and they will again.
manz when is this goona go f2p i gottsa gets my next generation and deep space nine fix, yeah and i said deep spacwe nine got a problem with it buba
in need of a nice game during the winter i started STO two weeks ago. i read many bad things about this game and, well, cryprtic lost a lot of reputation in the last years but i gave it a try. to my suprise this game is really funny and entertaining. so let me state my point of view as a casual gamer for STO so far:
pro:
- relaxed solo playing
- nice and very helpful community (at least the german speaking one)
- great quest-stories, especially the main-quest-rows.
- no need to 'grind' for equipment etc. during the first 4 ranks (up to captain) you nearly get everything you need during the quests, as reward or for a good price in the market.
contra:
- crafting needs a lot of 'grinding' and seams only to be useful for high rank equipment
- some things i personally expect in a game with a monthly fee/subcription have to be bought with extra money. in a cash shop nothing really important but i don't like this. decorative items, extra characterslots i expect as quest- or veteranrewards.
as a reminder, i'm only made it up to captain so far and yet i didn't had a view on the klingon-side, so my informations are maybe not so detailed, but so far i can say: if you need a nice game for the evening or the cold weekends STO isn't a wrong choice.