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  • Grand_NagusGrand_Nagus Member UncommonPosts: 335

    Originally posted by Yamota



    I cant believe people are still playing a game that has both a monthly fee and a cash shop with major things like a high end ship. Not to mention that the Klingon faction still has, from what I heard, a major lack of content...


     

    Its a high end ship yes, but not more powerful than the other high end ships you can already get in game. And several of the recent ships that have been added to the C-store are also available in game through other means. Lastly, its true the Klingons still need more content, but they have received alot since launch. They now have star clusters(unlimited repeatable missions), their own unique episodes, the weekly episodes that are playable by both factions, several new ships, access to another sector and, and a new set of repeatable patrol missions for that sector. They have also recently had crafting added for their faction, and the Foundry will add alot of player made missions designed just for Klingons.

  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Member UncommonPosts: 823

    Originally posted by Grand_Nagus

    Originally posted by Brenelael

    Originally posted by Grand_Nagus

    I havent been this game's biggest supporter since launch. The truth is, it launched way before it was ready, and deserved the bad reviews it got because of that. However, I must also admit that alot of progress has been made since launch. There was a while that I just quit playing because I felt like there was nothing new to do, but now I'm having alot of fun again. Klingons have gotten alot more content, they started releasing weekly episodes, and now we have the Foundry that lets people create their own missions(and it just happens to be the best mission tool I have seen in an MMO to date). The game definitely isnt perfect, but its alot better than it used to be. One thing is for sure, crying like a baby about the past isnt going to change anything.

    People complaining about the game is the only reason you got all of those shiney new toys your enjoying right now in game. Criticism is the way you bring about change and STO has gotten plenty of that over the last year. Most of what Cryptic has added has been a direct result of that criticism. If this game is going to go anywhere we need people to go on complaining until Cryptic realizes that maybe some of those devs working on C-Store content would be better utilized to finish the still present severe lack of content that should have been in the game before release. This is especially true for the Klingon faction. If Cryptic is going to make anything out of this mess of a game people need to keep on complaining and Cryptic needs to get the quick buck dollor signs out of their eyes and listen to them.

     

    Bren


     

     Pointless crying and constructive criticism are two completely different things. I've done alot of criticising myself, and have seen it directly effect the game's development for the better. Despite past mistakes, I have to give them props for how much they listen. They seem to really be on the right track now.


     

     One of the biggest issues with this game , which no amount of patching can fix is the engine and the direction of the game design . This is one of the biggest flaws with the game . Basically they reskined CO and frankly it's a disservice to the ST IP.  You can't fix that .

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  • Grand_NagusGrand_Nagus Member UncommonPosts: 335

    Originally posted by AG-Vuk

     One of the biggest issues with this game , which no amount of patching can fix is the engine and the direction of the game design . This is one of the biggest flaws with the game . Basically they reskined CO and frankly it's a disservice to the ST IP.  You can't fix that .

     

    Thats a valid opinion, and your entitled to it. However, if its something that cant be fixed than moaning about it forever isnt going to help. I actually want the game to get better, so I'm going to give them suggestions on how I think it can be. You apparently are going to complain about something that "cant be fixed" and is therefore pointless to complain about.

  • jakeeyesjakeeyes Member Posts: 6

    Originally posted by Grand_Nagus



    Originally posted by artemisentr4



    Originally posted by Grand_Nagus

    Ive got a LT sub too, so I can say that I dont feel sorry for someone who decided to spend that much money without knowing they would be happy with what they got. But personally, Im happy. Considering how far this game has come in less than a year, its looking really good for the future.

     I have to say, everytime I see your Avatar, I just hear that annoying Grand Nagus laugh from DS9. I have to lol everytime.


     

    I dont usually like to let people in on this, but I specifically chose my avatar to annoy and character name as something that would annoy people   :D


     

    Really? I never would have guessed that...

     

    :P

     

    But seriously, STO, for all its flaws, really has become one of my favorite past-times.  I've been playing since launch, and found that after a couple of months things got, well, stale.  Then STO changed.  Zinc (the EP) left and DStahl took the helm, and the game really started to take shape.  Community feedback has changed the game and the Cryptic/subscriber realtionship has flourished.  There is superb communication and while Cryptic listens to the fans, the are wise enough to understand the squeeky whell can't always get the grease.  I agree with Nagus, the game was (and in some part still is) unfinished on release day.  I agree with others that paying for a sub and then being asked to pay for high end content is a hard pill to swallow.  I ask, though, that if you haven't played STO recently (or at all), check it out.  It really is a lot of fun.

  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Member UncommonPosts: 823

    Originally posted by Grand_Nagus

    Originally posted by AG-Vuk

     One of the biggest issues with this game , which no amount of patching can fix is the engine and the direction of the game design . This is one of the biggest flaws with the game . Basically they reskined CO and frankly it's a disservice to the ST IP.  You can't fix that .

     

    Thats a valid opinion, and your entitled to it. However, if its something that cant be fixed than moaning about it forever isnt going to help. I actually want the game to get better, so I'm going to give them suggestions on how I think it can be. You apparently are going to complain about something that "cant be fixed" and is therefore pointless to complain about.


     

     When you build a game on a substandard foundation , no matter how much you dress it up , it's still going to fail. You can recommend away , it's not going to hide the warts that hurt this game the most . I get it , I wish myself it were different , but the facts are the facts . This is CO reskinned it doesn't change the fundementals , they change scenery perhaps some setting , but it ultimately returns to the same place.

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  • Grand_NagusGrand_Nagus Member UncommonPosts: 335

    Originally posted by AG-Vuk



    Originally posted by Grand_Nagus


    Originally posted by AG-Vuk

     One of the biggest issues with this game , which no amount of patching can fix is the engine and the direction of the game design . This is one of the biggest flaws with the game . Basically they reskined CO and frankly it's a disservice to the ST IP.  You can't fix that .

     

    Thats a valid opinion, and your entitled to it. However, if its something that cant be fixed than moaning about it forever isnt going to help. I actually want the game to get better, so I'm going to give them suggestions on how I think it can be. You apparently are going to complain about something that "cant be fixed" and is therefore pointless to complain about.


     

     When you build a game on a substandard foundation , no matter how much you dress it up , it's still going to fail. You can recommend away , it's not going to hide the warts that hurt this game the most . I get it , I wish myself it were different , but the facts are the facts . This is CO reskinned it doesn't change the fundementals , they change scenery perhaps some setting , but it ultimately returns to the same place.


     

    Like I said, thats your opinion, and your entitled to it. I dont agree, but your still entitled do t. But that said, complaining about something which YOU admitted "cant be fixed" is pointless. If it CANT be fixed(at least in your own mind), then moaning about it doesnt accomplish anything.

  • artemisentr4artemisentr4 Member UncommonPosts: 1,431

    Originally posted by AG-Vuk

    Originally posted by Grand_Nagus

    Originally posted by AG-Vuk

     One of the biggest issues with this game , which no amount of patching can fix is the engine and the direction of the game design . This is one of the biggest flaws with the game . Basically they reskined CO and frankly it's a disservice to the ST IP.  You can't fix that .

     

    Thats a valid opinion, and your entitled to it. However, if its something that cant be fixed than moaning about it forever isnt going to help. I actually want the game to get better, so I'm going to give them suggestions on how I think it can be. You apparently are going to complain about something that "cant be fixed" and is therefore pointless to complain about.


     

     When you build a game on a substandard foundation , no matter how much you dress it up , it's still going to fail. You can recommend away , it's not going to hide the warts that hurt this game the most . I get it , I wish myself it were different , but the facts are the facts . This is CO reskinned it doesn't change the fundementals , they change scenery perhaps some setting , but it ultimately returns to the same place.

     I agree, but it doesn't change the fact that it can still be a fun game. The foundation is lacking and makes the game a co-op more than a MMO. But with the changes, it can be and is still fun to run the ST missions.

    And once the foundery is on the live server. There will be an ever growing community based ST mission creation system in place. So content will grow from both the dev's as well as the community. And for this type of game, a co-op questing system based on ST stories. I can log in anytime I want and have new content to try out. This setup is not for everyone, but it is fine for me.

    “How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them?”
    R.A.Salvatore

  • Grand_NagusGrand_Nagus Member UncommonPosts: 335

    Originally posted by artemisentr4

     I agree, but it doesn't change the fact that it can still be a fun game. 

     

    Though I agree its fun, thats not a "fact", its an opinion.

  • StelakhStelakh Member Posts: 5

    STO can be fun, it can.  Although, frankly, I haven't been in the game for a few months now.

    The reason I haven't played in a few months is that I let my membership expire and did not renew.  While STO can be fun, I found the fun to be astonishingly brief.

    Between server issues, lack of decent content, hackneyed writing, and the bland, mind-numbing sameness of just about every single mission, the fun wore off in the first week or two I played (back in Beta).

    I stuck around for a bit to see if it'd get better, and it just didn't.

    I'm still watching in the hopes that there'll be something that brings me back into the game at a later date as I'm very much a Star Trek fan.

    But, in reading the message boards, I'm seeing a lot of the same old things we were bandying about back in the days after launch - from server problems to Ker'rat being bugged with Borg stuck in nodes to PvP being woefully unbalanced and so forth.

    If you're enjoying it, that's great.  I just prefer game with server stability, rich story, variety, a decent PvP system and that doesn't feel cobbled together at the last minute in some kind of ham-fisted Frankenstein manner.

  • StelakhStelakh Member Posts: 5

    Originally posted by Grand_Nagus

    Lastly, its true the Klingons still need more content, but they have received alot since launch. They now have star clusters (unlimited repeatable missions), their own unique episodes, the weekly episodes that are playable by both factions, several new ships, access to another sector and, and a new set of repeatable patrol missions for that sector. They have also recently had crafting added for their faction, and the Foundry will add alot of player made missions designed just for Klingons.

     Well, here's the thing, though...

     

    I'm glad the Klingons finally got more content.  It's certainly well beyond due time.  But weekly episodes, "star cluster" missions and patrol mission are all simple rehashes of the excessively repetitive missions that the Federation has had for almost a year.  It's essentially a cut-and-paste that's so far over due that if this were a library book you could pay for the building with the fines.

     

    And the problem with those things in particular is that they really are exactly the same thing over and over again.  They drill into your brain like a diamond-tipped auger and numb your senses into oblivion.

     

    It's nice to hear that the Klingons finally got more content.  It's just disappointing that what they got has been around for the Federation side since launch.

  • Grand_NagusGrand_Nagus Member UncommonPosts: 335

    Originally posted by Stelakh

    It's nice to hear that the Klingons finally got more content.  It's just disappointing that what they got has been around for the Federation side since launch.

     

    Considering the fact that the Klingon faction was missing those things, it only makes sense that they get them even though the Feds had them first. I also noticed you didnt say anything about the faction unique episodes they got, which have nothing to do with anything the Feds have.

  • squidheadjaxsquidheadjax Member Posts: 1

    Originally posted by AG-Vuk

     One of the biggest issues with this game , which no amount of patching can fix is the engine and the direction of the game design . This is one of the biggest flaws with the game . Basically they reskined CO and frankly it's a disservice to the ST IP.  You can't fix that .


     

    Have you actually played both games?  CO's combat system is better than STO's ground combat to the point of unfortunate hilarity and the freedom of character flight-type movement vastly exceeds STO's space flight.  STO's shortcomings are entirely its own.

    That said, I wouldn't be so extremely bitter if the promises that had been made about what the C-store would and wouldn't be, while they were already selling subscriptions, had been honored.  Most (but not all) of this new wave of ships have been earnable in-game, as this ship should be.  That said, since they added their first C-store ship skin for the Klingons already - and proceeded to successfully bilk a disappointingly large proportion of the KDF-playing population for a shoddily modeled product that still didn't even bring them to parity in options to what each Starfleet ship gets - I wouldn't be surprised if this one ends up sitting in the same position as the Excelsior refit and the Galaxy-X.  Especially seeing as its special is so similar to the Gal-X's.

  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Member UncommonPosts: 823

    Originally posted by squidheadjax

    Originally posted by AG-Vuk

     One of the biggest issues with this game , which no amount of patching can fix is the engine and the direction of the game design . This is one of the biggest flaws with the game . Basically they reskined CO and frankly it's a disservice to the ST IP.  You can't fix that .


     

    Have you actually played both games?  CO's combat system is better than STO's ground combat to the point of unfortunate hilarity and the freedom of character flight-type movement vastly exceeds STO's space flight.  STO's shortcomings are entirely its own.

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    Yes , I know what I speak of , and I agree. Saying that though , there are issues that they are unable to cope with or work around.  This ultimately hamstrung the game , that and the choices made as far has how gameplay should be.

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  • jaxsundanejaxsundane Member Posts: 2,776

    Originally posted by spyder2k5

    Like it or not, nothing in the C-Store is NEEDED to play, or enjoy the game...

    On top of that fact, they have done a wonderful job working on the game, and adding content, not to mention features.

    People like you and in general will complain about anything, and complain just to complain, or just to hear themselves sound like a sour grape.

    This game is doing extremely well, you may not like part of it, or the game at all, but it is doing well, and is pushing forward. 

    Price is not and should not be used as an indicator of a games value, or "worth" I know tons of great games that are under 10 bucks, some even free. Not just talking about MMOs, but games in general. People see the price tag as "worth" when in fact the question is not how much a  game costs but how much is it worth to you?

     You are right nothing in the C-Store is needed, but it is a shame that when a story is written about content in just about any other game on the market it is about a feature that is going to be appearing either in an expansion or something for free, while with Cryptic and STO we get an article about another item that we will be asked to buy along with paying a sub fee for this substandard game.

    While I am glad for you that you feel "they have done a wonderful job working on the game, and adding content,not to mention features" the vast majority of players who purchased this game at launch I think would tend to disagree.

    The game is doing extremely well by who's standards?  If you find being stuck stagnant with a population no greater than games like Darkfall which are not only based on obscure IP's but aren't very user friendly to be doing extremely well then, Cryptic can only hope the rest of us were as easy to please as you are.

    As far as using price as an indicator of a games value goes, I agree somewhat since Cryptic has adopted a policy of bleeding the player base dry they have no reason to charge a normal rate for the box they are hoping the "Trek crack" will keep us hooked into the C-Store and not noticing that this game is content light.

    As I've stated in the past there is nothing wrong with liking something that is unpopular but please stop doing yourself and the gaming community the dis service of trying to defend companies like this one who drop the ball and try the lowest common denominator to fix the mistakes they've made. 

    but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....

  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543

    This game is a complete joke. Anyone surprised this ship is for sale in the C-Store?

  • StelakhStelakh Member Posts: 5

    Originally posted by Grand_Nagus

    Originally posted by Stelakh

    It's nice to hear that the Klingons finally got more content.  It's just disappointing that what they got has been around for the Federation side since launch.

     

    Considering the fact that the Klingon faction was missing those things, it only makes sense that they get them even though the Feds had them first. I also noticed you didnt say anything about the faction unique episodes they got, which have nothing to do with anything the Feds have.

    I hope you're not suggesting that I don't think the Klingons should have gotten those things at all (it seems to feel that you are, however).  I believe that the Klingons should have had the mind-numbing-exactly-the-same-thing-day-after-day-mission-after-mission-oh-my-god-I-could-hand-dip-taper-candles-and-it-would-be-less-repetitive missions (ie. every single "repeatable" mission in the game) the Federation has had since the beginning.  I absolutely do.

     

    I didn't say anything about the faction-unique episodes they got because I haven't played them, and don't know anything about them.  I can't say anything for or against them at all - except that they sure as heck were a long time coming for those who want to play Klingons.  For all I know, they're the same missions with just Klingon skins.  I generally don't speak about something unless I know what I'm talking about.  That's why I didn't mention the unique missions at all.  I don't know just how accurate "unique" is.

     

    We've actually been down this road on the official STO forums before, Nagus.  Please do take my quote in context and in its entirety if you're going to try to defend STO with it.

  • jaxsundanejaxsundane Member Posts: 2,776

    Originally posted by Stelakh

    Originally posted by Grand_Nagus

    Lastly, its true the Klingons still need more content, but they have received alot since launch. They now have star clusters (unlimited repeatable missions), their own unique episodes, the weekly episodes that are playable by both factions, several new ships, access to another sector and, and a new set of repeatable patrol missions for that sector. They have also recently had crafting added for their faction, and the Foundry will add alot of player made missions designed just for Klingons.

     Well, here's the thing, though...

     

    I'm glad the Klingons finally got more content.  It's certainly well beyond due time.  But weekly episodes, "star cluster" missions and patrol mission are all simple rehashes of the excessively repetitive missions that the Federation has had for almost a year.  It's essentially a cut-and-paste that's so far over due that if this were a library book you could pay for the building with the fines.

     

    And the problem with those things in particular is that they really are exactly the same thing over and over again.  They drill into your brain like a diamond-tipped auger and numb your senses into oblivion.

     

    It's nice to hear that the Klingons finally got more content.  It's just disappointing that what they got has been around for the Federation side since launch.

     I think I get the point you are making essentially, it's good the Klingon's are getting the same content the Fed's have had but the problem is that for those (like myself) who played Fed with no burning desire to play Klingon the Fed's content is pretty redundant and lame, so in essence your concern (and mine) is does this actually make the game better?

    I can even understand Grand's point because I have to admit the game had some level of fun for me so it's plausible that some will not see the game in the exact same negative light as me and some not at all).

    I can't speak for everyone but I'll continue to complain about the way Cryptic does business because ultimately that's what I see as the problem more than I see the game itself as the problem.

    This company is becoming an indstry leader in marketing schemes and it's a danger for the genre because they are the most content light dev in the market, if I support this then I send a message to devs that it's ok to deliver a thin/weak product and then to go overboard charging for things that by industry standards should often be free.

    The idea I get from comparing the way they released this game devs like turbine,Blizzard, and even SOE would be totally justified in expecting us to pay thousands a year for what they deliver as opposed to the hundred or so.

    Honestly until they either stop putting the emphasis (first page splashing) on the c-store items or stop charging a monthly fee for what they have created I'm going to stay on top of them.

    but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....

  • Grand_NagusGrand_Nagus Member UncommonPosts: 335

    Originally posted by Stelakh

    Originally posted by Grand_Nagus

    Originally posted by Stelakh

    It's nice to hear that the Klingons finally got more content.  It's just disappointing that what they got has been around for the Federation side since launch.

     

    Considering the fact that the Klingon faction was missing those things, it only makes sense that they get them even though the Feds had them first. I also noticed you didnt say anything about the faction unique episodes they got, which have nothing to do with anything the Feds have.

    I hope you're not suggesting that I don't think the Klingons should have gotten those things at all (it seems to feel that you are, however).

    I regret to inform you that your attempt to read more into my post than what I actually wrote has failed. I did not suggest anything.

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