Game is pretty fun. Very polished but still needs some work. One of the best running betas I've played. Yes..I'd play this game.Loving the beta. Even better once I started using my Xbox 360 controller. Definitely....but I'll only play and support the game if they give me the game for free, maintain regular content updates and additions, provide excellent customer service and tech support and charge me no subscription price . Well...got to go....my winged unicorn has arrived to take me through the fairyfluff forests and off to the rainbow gummy falls where I will embark on the gingerbread ship cruise with a thousand beautiful elven maidens off the shimmering shores of Pleasure Cove.
Well I am surprised that one of the developers has not tried to get $19.95 a month yet. I am not sure any Superhero game can have depth and weight lol. I plan to play it as long as it is fun and move on. I have spent thousands of dollars on stupid useless things in my life. I am not going to to get shookup about $50. Drink a few less redbulls and smoke less cigarettes. Game on!
People like you are the reason new MMOs suck and will continue to suck.
Well I am surprised that one of the developers has not tried to get $19.95 a month yet. I am not sure any Superhero game can have depth and weight lol. I plan to play it as long as it is fun and move on. I have spent thousands of dollars on stupid useless things in my life. I am not going to to get shookup about $50. Drink a few less redbulls and smoke less cigarettes. Game on!
People like you are the reason new MMOs suck and will continue to suck.
Because they are willing to pay for games they think are fun for as long as they continue to be fun ? Um..ok.
No, he obviously isnt, he is obviously just saying that this game in particular dosent warrant the cost.
Just wait until he realises that SOE have most likely stripped a lot of the core game he think is missing to stick in the cash shop lol.. wait till you see what he think then, when he is charged extra for that content ON TOP of the sub :P
SOE only sticks cosmetic stuff in their shop. Not stuff that effects gameplay.
If a game have subscription it shouldn't have an item shop. There is no excuse. Is not 15$ enough for soe now? And peoples asking for a lower sub. Yeah right.
Exactly, all these "cosmetic stuff" should be included in sub as ingame items (I still think sub is too high, but with item shop, its ridiculous).
Ya agree the cash shop is stupid and lame but if it doesn't effect gameplay I can deal with it. I enjoyed EQ 2 so I am use to it i guess. But if i can get a month or 2 enjoyment or until i get bored out of a MMORPG its worth the price when you look at new game prices that you can beat in a few days. I thinking DCUO will be a MMO i can leave for months resubscribe at later date and jump back into and have fun cause its not the typical MMORPG. I just waiting for SWTOR and need something to kill time.
i've read most of this thread and it feels like its strictly ps3 users mostly vs pc but im gonna drop in my 2 cents on this.
1st and foremost the game is good. it has its bugs but compared to some games i have beta and written bug reports for. (champions and CoH) its in pretty good shape.
Second. 15 dollars is not a suprise. whether you think its fair or not here is the reality. servers, manhours producing content, maintenance, additional patchwork and content that is not a expansion that will be added later like powers (ie green lantern other elementals) and not to mention the people that but their heart into this thing, Yeah i SEE where my 15 dollars a month goes to each time i pay it. And incidentally some of those nay sayers probably still have a wow account as well so i guess blizzard gets theres still huh fellas?
Third, Over critical asumptions are already being made before the game comes out. end game content is at lvl 30 i assure you that it will not end there. They have barely touched dc universe as a whole in this game and that part is just getting warmed up,
In all honesty i only expect less than half the people that scurried for a beta key to even stay after launch, but i understand you can feasibly see your self pouring money into what appears to be a bottomless pit... but in all honesty if your not doing it online your just facilitating that same problem elsewhere,,,dlc.... expansions etc, in most cases the old way of getting content for your game is toast but you cant blame a developer for wanting money for their hard work can ya?
Lastly, before the legendary "in before get a blog" sarcasm, I would like to say i own both a ps3 and a pc and i do a bit of console gaming in between wife job, business, etc. PSN & XBL are both good services in their own respects, but ps3 owners wonder why xbl owners pay to play multiplayer and other stuff on live... there is actually a reason... for the right to complain.
When your getting something for nothing, you cant say shit. Not a thing...if it works cool... if it doesn't its free you can't whine about it. well you can but then what does that make you? yup cheap bitch that bitches about something free.
Now when it's not free, and you paying for the service to maintain and it doesnt then you got some room to force change or address bs issues like bad party connections or dlc that crashes during multiplayer. At least for me thats what i feel i pay for and also for the record if your paying 50 a year for live your a tard their are cards online for 20 bucks...seriously, use amazon. and with that im done enjoy the beta while it last if you are staying welcome if not... peace!
Third, Over critical asumptions are already being made before the game comes out. end game content is at lvl 30 i assure you that it will not end there. They have barely touched dc universe as a whole in this game and that part is just getting warmed up,
Assumptions? Isnt that one, that you just made in the statement above. I have been in beta over a month and the game is at its finished state as far as content. Bugs are the things being worked on now. Also the game releases January 11th. While the game is well polished then most by release, by the time you run a Hero to level 30 and then a villian to see both sides of the story, which are very similar I might add, the only thing that is left is arenas and PvP. That can only hold a person for so long.
So basicly its run through quests and then its just PVP/Arenas
Third, Over critical asumptions are already being made before the game comes out. end game content is at lvl 30 i assure you that it will not end there. They have barely touched dc universe as a whole in this game and that part is just getting warmed up,
Assumptions? Isnt that one, that you just made in the statement above. I have been in beta over a month and the game is at its finished state as far as content. Bugs are the things being worked on now. Also the game releases January 11th. While the game is well polished then most by release, by the time you run a Hero to level 30 and then a villian to see both sides of the story, which are very similar I might add, the only thing that is left is arenas and PvP. That can only hold a person for so long.
So basicly its run through quests and then its just PVP/Arenas
And also 4 and 8 man raids. How many MMOS you know in past 4 to 5 years that released with end game content right out of the box? any examples?
If anyone, and im assuming most at that, have a problem with the 'box' fee, then there is a simple answer, wait 3- 4 months and the game will no doubt be retailing at $19, imo, thats the price it should be anyway, its not a AAA single player game after all, and those are the only ones that really demand a $60 price tag, this price is pure and simple greed on the part of SOE, just compare the prices after all, with other MMO's, SOE have a bad reputation when it comes to thing like this, just look at the history even of EQ. And please, this isnt an argument about how good or bad the game is, its an argument about dubious pricing, i dont think anyone can come up with a legitimate argument which would explain the necessity of retailing the game at such an outlandish price.
So what you are basically saying you would not pay to play any MMO. This game is pretty solid, interesting combat, very well done quests. Have not touched the pvp but does not look that good. If you do not wanna pay a monthly fee canceled before the first month. You will get more hours gaming off this game for 50 bucks then you would almost all single player game for the same price.
By the way this is AAA. Not sure what you are basing your AAA standards one. But this blows Aion, War and most AAA mmos out the water. Think the problem is you have a misconception of what AAA is.
So what you are basically saying you would not pay to play any MMO. This game is pretty solid, interesting combat, very well done quests. Have not touched the pvp but does not look that good. If you do not wanna pay a monthly fee canceled before the first month. You will get more hours gaming off this game for 50 bucks then you would almost all single player game for the same price.
By the way this is AAA. Not sure what you are basing your AAA standards one. But this blows Aion, War and most AAA mmos out the water. Think the problem is you have a misconception of what AAA is.
In particular i did state that that was the price you'd expect to pay for a AAA single player game, if you hadnt noticed, AAA MMO's have a different pricing range, its not about the monthly fee, as thats fairly standard, this is about the initial purchase price.. which definitely is not. and after over a decade of playing MMO's i really dont have any misconceptions of what represents a AAA title, though we have yet to see if DCUO really qualifies as being one, that in itself however, is a seperate argument.
Serios guys, some folks like the game , some like it but think its shallow, simple and not worth the prize.
Im in the later camp. its repeative combat from level 1 to 30. its someting like 3 or 4 objective types droped into two hunderd "assignments" (-+) it offers no rpg eletments for its "assignments"(quest) its simply find npc BoB, click on BoB. hear the voice of BoB, press accept. there is no interaction at all.
the missions themself are "Kill" X of Y, Use <object> X times, Move <Object> to point A... ah, and "kill" x of Y and Use Y X times.
Its all very neatly packed but its very plain and simple,
4-8 man raids.. .Whauw!!! thasts awsome! .. serious.. ? you realy see it as a feature that stands out? instances you can compleet solo till 30 and just as easy beyond 30 whit a team? instances that are made out of the same type of objectives as the city world/ "normal" missions.
CoH is build the same way.. exsactly the same way infact, Coh has and had more of these instanced mission type meet a boss then DCO will have. DCO is just much more fun to play due to the action combat mechanics and up to date gfx.
CO is build the same way. but diference into a hybrith between CoH and DCO. its power lies in the usefull power uses instead of fixed power sets were more then 60% is utter crap.
DCO will not survive on a clasic boxsale(50)+subcription(15) based income program. it will look like a hit for a month at most, then numbers drop as people will not resub and a while later they will go F2P , personaly im fairly sure they already have a f2p model ready to be implented. and are just gona try the clasic one out first (after all. that brings in more money)
my advice to anyone wanting a MMORPG, do not buy it. anyone who likes a MMO-Action game, go ahead, game play is fun for a while atleast.
4-8 man raids.. .Whauw!!! thasts awsome! .. serious.. ? you realy see it as a feature that stands out? instances you can compleet solo till 30 and just as easy beyond 30 whit a team? instances that are made out of the same type of objectives as the city world/ "normal" missions.
If only you take deep breath and read PROPERLY you will realise i never said this feature stands out. Did i say that? nope. They guy was talking about things to do at end game so i reminded him what else exists. For years now player moan and complain how the MMOS release un finished and in complete and how they have to sit at level caps twidling their thumbs. So i feel glad for once that devs are releasing a game which is not just full of promises but actually have real content in it. This game has a lot of things to do at end game and for a new MMO its impressive. Some people can just never be happy.
Third, Over critical asumptions are already being made before the game comes out. end game content is at lvl 30 i assure you that it will not end there. They have barely touched dc universe as a whole in this game and that part is just getting warmed up,
Assumptions? Isnt that one, that you just made in the statement above. I have been in beta over a month and the game is at its finished state as far as content. Bugs are the things being worked on now. Also the game releases January 11th. While the game is well polished then most by release, by the time you run a Hero to level 30 and then a villian to see both sides of the story, which are very similar I might add, the only thing that is left is arenas and PvP. That can only hold a person for so long.
So basicly its run through quests and then its just PVP/Arenas
And also 4 and 8 man raids. How many MMOS you know in past 4 to 5 years that released with end game content right out of the box? any examples?
I am not going to get into a pissy argument about what game released with end game content. The last 8 years MMORPGs are normally what has been my time sink. People have a right to opinions.
And yes, there are raids, but again, what is left to do after the raids and collect all the gear. Run the same raids again and again for six months until they release more content that may tag on and that may only last a week or two to complete. I am not saying there is not fun to be had, but for an MMORPG the content as a whole is shallow. Believe it or not people like things like crafting and other small things that also help break up the monotony of all the normal everyday MMORPG stuff. Developers need to get a bit more creative and I am glad to see some like NCSOFT seem to be doing that with GW2. Making it unique and different while telling a great story.
Just because it is standard MMO pricing doesn't make it right. Did WAR or AOC deserve $15 a month off the start? I can think of two games that honestly deserve that pricing point right: WoW and EVE. FFXI uses $12 and they sure as hell deserve that price. I don't agree with the pricing model of MMO's. It's honestly just a huge scam at this point in time. Guild Wars is going about the whole pricing issue the right way.
You know why it doesn't change though? People who keep buying the games. Boycott the games for a few months and the price will change because no company is earning sales, but people are too stupid and uncoordinated to do such a thing. If companies are making money off of the $15 a month pricetag, they will continue to scam us.
Third, Over critical asumptions are already being made before the game comes out. end game content is at lvl 30 i assure you that it will not end there. They have barely touched dc universe as a whole in this game and that part is just getting warmed up,
Assumptions? Isnt that one, that you just made in the statement above. I have been in beta over a month and the game is at its finished state as far as content. Bugs are the things being worked on now. Also the game releases January 11th. While the game is well polished then most by release, by the time you run a Hero to level 30 and then a villian to see both sides of the story, which are very similar I might add, the only thing that is left is arenas and PvP. That can only hold a person for so long.
So basicly its run through quests and then its just PVP/Arenas
And also 4 and 8 man raids. How many MMOS you know in past 4 to 5 years that released with end game content right out of the box? any examples?
I am not going to get into a pissy argument about what game released with end game content. The last 8 years MMORPGs are normally what has been my time sink. People have a right to opinions.
And yes, there are raids, but again, what is left to do after the raids and collect all the gear. Run the same raids again and again for six months until they release more content that may tag on and that may only last a week or two to complete. I am not saying there is not fun to be had, but for an MMORPG the content as a whole is shallow. Believe it or not people like things like crafting and other small things that also help break up the monotony of all the normal everyday MMORPG stuff. Developers need to get a bit more creative and I am glad to see some like NCSOFT seem to be doing that with GW2. Making it unique and different while telling a great story.
Comparing a fantasy genre to super hero theme really? its a super hero MMO and it does what it does best..kick ass of baddies. Did CO and COH had avery good crafting system? two very different type of genres to even make a comparison.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Third, Over critical asumptions are already being made before the game comes out. end game content is at lvl 30 i assure you that it will not end there. They have barely touched dc universe as a whole in this game and that part is just getting warmed up,
Assumptions? Isnt that one, that you just made in the statement above. I have been in beta over a month and the game is at its finished state as far as content. Bugs are the things being worked on now. Also the game releases January 11th. While the game is well polished then most by release, by the time you run a Hero to level 30 and then a villian to see both sides of the story, which are very similar I might add, the only thing that is left is arenas and PvP. That can only hold a person for so long.
So basicly its run through quests and then its just PVP/Arenas
And also 4 and 8 man raids. How many MMOS you know in past 4 to 5 years that released with end game content right out of the box? any examples?
I am not going to get into a pissy argument about what game released with end game content. The last 8 years MMORPGs are normally what has been my time sink. People have a right to opinions.
And yes, there are raids, but again, what is left to do after the raids and collect all the gear. Run the same raids again and again for six months until they release more content that may tag on and that may only last a week or two to complete. I am not saying there is not fun to be had, but for an MMORPG the content as a whole is shallow. Believe it or not people like things like crafting and other small things that also help break up the monotony of all the normal everyday MMORPG stuff. Developers need to get a bit more creative and I am glad to see some like NCSOFT seem to be doing that with GW2. Making it unique and different while telling a great story.
Comparing a fantasy genre to super hero theme really? its a super hero MMO and it does what it does best..kick ass of baddies. Did CO and COH had avery good crafting system? two very different type of genres to even make a comparison.
To respond first to the stuff in green No, actually it's not. will use a color of yellow to briefly explain why.
In one of those god awful dc videos and i believe in a gamespot interview it was mention by Chris Cao himself that will be continued additions put into the game frompowers to storyline content.....tell me did you run across any two face or darkside, or any of the other 100+ villans that had a direct story arc or did we ever put a end to braniacs conquest of earth directly? Or is half of gotham and metropolis still bottled up. there's ONLY 75 years of DC lore to rake through
lets see how many villans i havent encountered yet.... nah that list is too long.... i'll link it.
and what this guy said about crafting is 100 percent CoH and CO crafting was poop... i couldnt even stack items i was equiped with to raise my stats i would have to ditch the item all together and use another thing. and far as gw2 is concerned hopefully we will be lucky enough to have it come out before duke nuk.... ahem gran turis.... ahem... diablo 3,
yeah diablo 3 comes out or torchlight 2 or any of the 10 rpgs possibly slated for 2011.
Comparing a fantasy genre to super hero theme really? its a super hero MMO and it does what it does best..kick ass of baddies. Did CO and COH had avery good crafting system? two very different type of genres to even make a comparison.
I think it is worth pointing this out about DCU since it has been brought up.
DCU plays almost identical to most fantasy games on the market right now.
Gather gear for statistical upgrades, drinking health/mana "colas", repair bills for death penalty, tank/healer/dps trinity, grinding quests from npcs with little symbols floating above their heads, instanced dungeons and battlegrounds, etc etc.
There really isn't very much that seperates that gameplay of DCU from that of a typical fantasy mmo. Other than the setting and the replacement of hotkeys with rapidly spammed sequences of mouth clicks and thrusts, dcu plays like most fantasy games with a super hero twist.
I have to agree with the original post. DCU has some short term entertainment, but overall it isn't a game that is really worth paying $50 + $15 a month to play. Seeing how many different people keep repeating the same concerns I think they will be proven right come february/march.
I really didn't execpt to like this game when I downloaded the beta. I was pleasently suprised. It was fun. It's action oriented and overall a pretty good game with a decent PvP expeirience. The problem is it's just not good enough for my to pay what they are asking. I would shell out 49.99 for the "box" but I wouldn't pay a monthly fee. OR I would pay 9.99 a month if the client was free to download. But 49.99 for the client and the expected 14.99 a month is just to much. I seriously think price is going to be the downfall of this game.
I had fun too. I'm not laying down cash for the game because it became clear to me that the devs had the PS3 at heart and not the PC.
I like playing on my PC because I like gaming with my mouse and keyboard and being able to tinker around with the UI. I don't have a 32" monitor for nothing.
Game is pretty fun. Very polished but still needs some work. One of the best running betas I've played. Yes..I'd play this game.Loving the beta. Even better once I started using my Xbox 360 controller. Definitely....but I'll only play and support the game if they give me the game for free, maintain regular content updates and additions, provide excellent customer service and tech support and charge me no subscription price . Well...got to go....my winged unicorn has arrived to take me through the fairyfluff forests and off to the rainbow gummy falls where I will embark on the gingerbread ship cruise with a thousand beautiful elven maidens off the shimmering shores of Pleasure Cove.
I really didn't execpt to like this game when I downloaded the beta. I was pleasently suprised. It was fun. It's action oriented and overall a pretty good game with a decent PvP expeirience. The problem is it's just not good enough for my to pay what they are asking. I would shell out 49.99 for the "box" but I wouldn't pay a monthly fee. OR I would pay 9.99 a month if the client was free to download. But 49.99 for the client and the expected 14.99 a month is just to much. I seriously think price is going to be the downfall of this game.
Only you can decide if a game is worth all that money or not. Knowing SOE I think you will be able to just do the trial and start paying a year or so from now, both EQ 1 & 2 is like that.
If you think it is too much just wait, if nothing else box prices usually go down pretty fast for new games.
Personally is the problem more time. I can't spend all the time it takes to play a MMO I don't find really well but I guess some people have more time than money and other the other way around.
Third, Over critical asumptions are already being made before the game comes out. end game content is at lvl 30 i assure you that it will not end there. They have barely touched dc universe as a whole in this game and that part is just getting warmed up,
Assumptions? Isnt that one, that you just made in the statement above. I have been in beta over a month and the game is at its finished state as far as content. Bugs are the things being worked on now. Also the game releases January 11th. While the game is well polished then most by release, by the time you run a Hero to level 30 and then a villian to see both sides of the story, which are very similar I might add, the only thing that is left is arenas and PvP. That can only hold a person for so long.
So basicly its run through quests and then its just PVP/Arenas
And also 4 and 8 man raids. How many MMOS you know in past 4 to 5 years that released with end game content right out of the box? any examples?
I am not going to get into a pissy argument about what game released with end game content. The last 8 years MMORPGs are normally what has been my time sink. People have a right to opinions.
And yes, there are raids, but again, what is left to do after the raids and collect all the gear. Run the same raids again and again for six months until they release more content that may tag on and that may only last a week or two to complete. I am not saying there is not fun to be had, but for an MMORPG the content as a whole is shallow. Believe it or not people like things like crafting and other small things that also help break up the monotony of all the normal everyday MMORPG stuff. Developers need to get a bit more creative and I am glad to see some like NCSOFT seem to be doing that with GW2. Making it unique and different while telling a great story.
Comparing a fantasy genre to super hero theme really? its a super hero MMO and it does what it does best..kick ass of baddies. Did CO and COH had avery good crafting system? two very different type of genres to even make a comparison.
To respond first to the stuff in green No, actually it's not. will use a color of yellow to briefly explain why.
In one of those god awful dc videos and i believe in a gamespot interview it was mention by Chris Cao himself that will be continued additions put into the game frompowers to storyline content.....tell me did you run across any two face or darkside, or any of the other 100+ villans that had a direct story arc or did we ever put a end to braniacs conquest of earth directly? Or is half of gotham and metropolis still bottled up. there's ONLY 75 years of DC lore to rake through
lets see how many villans i havent encountered yet.... nah that list is too long.... i'll link it.
and what this guy said about crafting is 100 percent CoH and CO crafting was poop... i couldnt even stack items i was equiped with to raise my stats i would have to ditch the item all together and use another thing. and far as gw2 is concerned hopefully we will be lucky enough to have it come out before duke nuk.... ahem gran turis.... ahem... diablo 3,
yeah diablo 3 comes out or torchlight 2 or any of the 10 rpgs possibly slated for 2011.
Crafting was an example of side things to do and not something that needs to be in the game. I was just stating it should have a few things that are out of the norm when you are bored after awhile with the questing, PvP, Arena, Raiding, or what have you. And the problem with the statement you made and others are making is that the MMORPG fan base is continuing to go with the norm or what they know about a MMORPG. Developers need to stop making the same games over and over but with a different package. When I pointed out the GW2 in my statement it was just pointing out that they are taking what we know as a traditional fantasy MMORPG and changing the mechanics as we know it. Why cant they do that with super hero games? DC Universe as it stands now is like a hack and slash action game with a little multiplayer aspect to it with little or no innovation that they can call there own since other games like CO and COH have already done.
You mentioned about the 100s of heroes and villians that yet havent and may be added as the games goes on if successful and will lead to additional content. True, but then again dont make it the same quests over and over again. After awhile when getting over the wow factor and that I was playing someone working for the JLA or Lex Luthers crew, I started to notice I was fighting those same murlocs over and over in WoW.
This may have been asked, but for the people who have played Team Fortress 2 and/or Global Agenda, what does DCUO offer above and beyond those two games? I'm assuming the graphics are better, of course and then the universe it's set in is well known and has tremendous story potential...but what else?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Third, Over critical asumptions are already being made before the game comes out. end game content is at lvl 30 i assure you that it will not end there. They have barely touched dc universe as a whole in this game and that part is just getting warmed up,
Assumptions? Isnt that one, that you just made in the statement above. I have been in beta over a month and the game is at its finished state as far as content. Bugs are the things being worked on now. Also the game releases January 11th. While the game is well polished then most by release, by the time you run a Hero to level 30 and then a villian to see both sides of the story, which are very similar I might add, the only thing that is left is arenas and PvP. That can only hold a person for so long.
So basicly its run through quests and then its just PVP/Arenas
And also 4 and 8 man raids. How many MMOS you know in past 4 to 5 years that released with end game content right out of the box? any examples?
I am not going to get into a pissy argument about what game released with end game content. The last 8 years MMORPGs are normally what has been my time sink. People have a right to opinions.
And yes, there are raids, but again, what is left to do after the raids and collect all the gear. Run the same raids again and again for six months until they release more content that may tag on and that may only last a week or two to complete. I am not saying there is not fun to be had, but for an MMORPG the content as a whole is shallow. Believe it or not people like things like crafting and other small things that also help break up the monotony of all the normal everyday MMORPG stuff. Developers need to get a bit more creative and I am glad to see some like NCSOFT seem to be doing that with GW2. Making it unique and different while telling a great story.
Comparing a fantasy genre to super hero theme really? its a super hero MMO and it does what it does best..kick ass of baddies. Did CO and COH had avery good crafting system? two very different type of genres to even make a comparison.
To respond first to the stuff in green No, actually it's not. will use a color of yellow to briefly explain why.
In one of those god awful dc videos and i believe in a gamespot interview it was mention by Chris Cao himself that will be continued additions put into the game frompowers to storyline content.....tell me did you run across any two face or darkside, or any of the other 100+ villans that had a direct story arc or did we ever put a end to braniacs conquest of earth directly? Or is half of gotham and metropolis still bottled up. there's ONLY 75 years of DC lore to rake through
lets see how many villans i havent encountered yet.... nah that list is too long.... i'll link it.
and what this guy said about crafting is 100 percent CoH and CO crafting was poop... i couldnt even stack items i was equiped with to raise my stats i would have to ditch the item all together and use another thing. and far as gw2 is concerned hopefully we will be lucky enough to have it come out before duke nuk.... ahem gran turis.... ahem... diablo 3,
yeah diablo 3 comes out or torchlight 2 or any of the 10 rpgs possibly slated for 2011.
Crafting was an example of side things to do and not something that needs to be in the game. I was just stating it should have a few things that are out of the norm when you are bored after awhile with the questing, PvP, Arena, Raiding, or what have you. And the problem with the statement you made and others are making is that the MMORPG fan base is continuing to go with the norm or what they know about a MMORPG. Developers need to stop making the same games over and over but with a different package. When I pointed out the GW2 in my statement it was just pointing out that they are taking what we know as a traditional fantasy MMORPG and changing the mechanics as we know it. Why cant they do that with super hero games? DC Universe as it stands now is like a hack and slash action game with a little multiplayer aspect to it with little or no innovation that they can call there own since other games like CO and COH have already done.
You mentioned about the 100s of heroes and villians that yet havent and may be added as the games goes on if successful and will lead to additional content. True, but then again dont make it the same quests over and over again. After awhile when getting over the wow factor and that I was playing someone working for the JLA or Lex Luthers crew, I started to notice I was fighting those same murlocs over and over in WoW.
See...sigh.. this is why i try to avoid these said conversations directly everyone sits on their pedistal and complain about the aspects of the game regardless if they are going to buy it or not and then nobody and i mean 0.2579 percent of the population does nothing about it no letter of concern to the devs no petition... squat. im not arguing its not the same as every other mmo you have played before.... im not even arguing that its good or even great and warrants that complaint.
Here's how i handle it... send a petition to the studio regarding your thoughts on the game directly.
Incidentally i cant see the game doing better than dc fans and comic book fanboys... however once again this discussion was wether it was worth 15 bucks after the inital 50 or 60.... for some it was no and for few it was yes. whether they plan to innovate or do more is technically off topic.
When i commented on the assumptions part above it was due to another comment that essentially says well the game isnt going to push beyond what it is now after launch and for a mmo that is lunacy. It may as well not be labled as such..
Bottom line, play it or dont play it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
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Game is pretty fun. Very polished but still needs some work. One of the best running betas I've played. Yes..I'd play this game.Loving the beta. Even better once I started using my Xbox 360 controller. Definitely....but I'll only play and support the game if they give me the game for free, maintain regular content updates and additions, provide excellent customer service and tech support and charge me no subscription price . Well...got to go....my winged unicorn has arrived to take me through the fairyfluff forests and off to the rainbow gummy falls where I will embark on the gingerbread ship cruise with a thousand beautiful elven maidens off the shimmering shores of Pleasure Cove.
People like you are the reason new MMOs suck and will continue to suck.
Because they are willing to pay for games they think are fun for as long as they continue to be fun ? Um..ok.
Ya agree the cash shop is stupid and lame but if it doesn't effect gameplay I can deal with it. I enjoyed EQ 2 so I am use to it i guess. But if i can get a month or 2 enjoyment or until i get bored out of a MMORPG its worth the price when you look at new game prices that you can beat in a few days. I thinking DCUO will be a MMO i can leave for months resubscribe at later date and jump back into and have fun cause its not the typical MMORPG. I just waiting for SWTOR and need something to kill time.
i've read most of this thread and it feels like its strictly ps3 users mostly vs pc but im gonna drop in my 2 cents on this.
1st and foremost the game is good. it has its bugs but compared to some games i have beta and written bug reports for. (champions and CoH) its in pretty good shape.
Second. 15 dollars is not a suprise. whether you think its fair or not here is the reality. servers, manhours producing content, maintenance, additional patchwork and content that is not a expansion that will be added later like powers (ie green lantern other elementals) and not to mention the people that but their heart into this thing, Yeah i SEE where my 15 dollars a month goes to each time i pay it. And incidentally some of those nay sayers probably still have a wow account as well so i guess blizzard gets theres still huh fellas?
Third, Over critical asumptions are already being made before the game comes out. end game content is at lvl 30 i assure you that it will not end there. They have barely touched dc universe as a whole in this game and that part is just getting warmed up,
In all honesty i only expect less than half the people that scurried for a beta key to even stay after launch, but i understand you can feasibly see your self pouring money into what appears to be a bottomless pit... but in all honesty if your not doing it online your just facilitating that same problem elsewhere,,,dlc.... expansions etc, in most cases the old way of getting content for your game is toast but you cant blame a developer for wanting money for their hard work can ya?
Lastly, before the legendary "in before get a blog" sarcasm, I would like to say i own both a ps3 and a pc and i do a bit of console gaming in between wife job, business, etc. PSN & XBL are both good services in their own respects, but ps3 owners wonder why xbl owners pay to play multiplayer and other stuff on live... there is actually a reason... for the right to complain.
When your getting something for nothing, you cant say shit. Not a thing...if it works cool... if it doesn't its free you can't whine about it. well you can but then what does that make you? yup cheap bitch that bitches about something free.
Now when it's not free, and you paying for the service to maintain and it doesnt then you got some room to force change or address bs issues like bad party connections or dlc that crashes during multiplayer. At least for me thats what i feel i pay for and also for the record if your paying 50 a year for live your a tard their are cards online for 20 bucks...seriously, use amazon. and with that im done enjoy the beta while it last if you are staying welcome if not... peace!
And also 4 and 8 man raids. How many MMOS you know in past 4 to 5 years that released with end game content right out of the box? any examples?
Bite Me
If anyone, and im assuming most at that, have a problem with the 'box' fee, then there is a simple answer, wait 3- 4 months and the game will no doubt be retailing at $19, imo, thats the price it should be anyway, its not a AAA single player game after all, and those are the only ones that really demand a $60 price tag, this price is pure and simple greed on the part of SOE, just compare the prices after all, with other MMO's, SOE have a bad reputation when it comes to thing like this, just look at the history even of EQ. And please, this isnt an argument about how good or bad the game is, its an argument about dubious pricing, i dont think anyone can come up with a legitimate argument which would explain the necessity of retailing the game at such an outlandish price.
So what you are basically saying you would not pay to play any MMO. This game is pretty solid, interesting combat, very well done quests. Have not touched the pvp but does not look that good. If you do not wanna pay a monthly fee canceled before the first month. You will get more hours gaming off this game for 50 bucks then you would almost all single player game for the same price.
By the way this is AAA. Not sure what you are basing your AAA standards one. But this blows Aion, War and most AAA mmos out the water. Think the problem is you have a misconception of what AAA is.
In particular i did state that that was the price you'd expect to pay for a AAA single player game, if you hadnt noticed, AAA MMO's have a different pricing range, its not about the monthly fee, as thats fairly standard, this is about the initial purchase price.. which definitely is not. and after over a decade of playing MMO's i really dont have any misconceptions of what represents a AAA title, though we have yet to see if DCUO really qualifies as being one, that in itself however, is a seperate argument.
Serios guys, some folks like the game , some like it but think its shallow, simple and not worth the prize.
Im in the later camp. its repeative combat from level 1 to 30. its someting like 3 or 4 objective types droped into two hunderd "assignments" (-+) it offers no rpg eletments for its "assignments"(quest) its simply find npc BoB, click on BoB. hear the voice of BoB, press accept. there is no interaction at all.
the missions themself are "Kill" X of Y, Use <object> X times, Move <Object> to point A... ah, and "kill" x of Y and Use Y X times.
Its all very neatly packed but its very plain and simple,
4-8 man raids.. .Whauw!!! thasts awsome! .. serious.. ? you realy see it as a feature that stands out? instances you can compleet solo till 30 and just as easy beyond 30 whit a team? instances that are made out of the same type of objectives as the city world/ "normal" missions.
CoH is build the same way.. exsactly the same way infact, Coh has and had more of these instanced mission type meet a boss then DCO will have. DCO is just much more fun to play due to the action combat mechanics and up to date gfx.
CO is build the same way. but diference into a hybrith between CoH and DCO. its power lies in the usefull power uses instead of fixed power sets were more then 60% is utter crap.
DCO will not survive on a clasic boxsale(50)+subcription(15) based income program. it will look like a hit for a month at most, then numbers drop as people will not resub and a while later they will go F2P , personaly im fairly sure they already have a f2p model ready to be implented. and are just gona try the clasic one out first (after all. that brings in more money)
my advice to anyone wanting a MMORPG, do not buy it. anyone who likes a MMO-Action game, go ahead, game play is fun for a while atleast.
If only you take deep breath and read PROPERLY you will realise i never said this feature stands out. Did i say that? nope. They guy was talking about things to do at end game so i reminded him what else exists. For years now player moan and complain how the MMOS release un finished and in complete and how they have to sit at level caps twidling their thumbs. So i feel glad for once that devs are releasing a game which is not just full of promises but actually have real content in it. This game has a lot of things to do at end game and for a new MMO its impressive. Some people can just never be happy.
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I am not going to get into a pissy argument about what game released with end game content. The last 8 years MMORPGs are normally what has been my time sink. People have a right to opinions.
And yes, there are raids, but again, what is left to do after the raids and collect all the gear. Run the same raids again and again for six months until they release more content that may tag on and that may only last a week or two to complete. I am not saying there is not fun to be had, but for an MMORPG the content as a whole is shallow. Believe it or not people like things like crafting and other small things that also help break up the monotony of all the normal everyday MMORPG stuff. Developers need to get a bit more creative and I am glad to see some like NCSOFT seem to be doing that with GW2. Making it unique and different while telling a great story.
Just because it is standard MMO pricing doesn't make it right. Did WAR or AOC deserve $15 a month off the start? I can think of two games that honestly deserve that pricing point right: WoW and EVE. FFXI uses $12 and they sure as hell deserve that price. I don't agree with the pricing model of MMO's. It's honestly just a huge scam at this point in time. Guild Wars is going about the whole pricing issue the right way.
You know why it doesn't change though? People who keep buying the games. Boycott the games for a few months and the price will change because no company is earning sales, but people are too stupid and uncoordinated to do such a thing. If companies are making money off of the $15 a month pricetag, they will continue to scam us.
Comparing a fantasy genre to super hero theme really? its a super hero MMO and it does what it does best..kick ass of baddies. Did CO and COH had avery good crafting system? two very different type of genres to even make a comparison.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
To respond first to the stuff in green No, actually it's not. will use a color of yellow to briefly explain why.
In one of those god awful dc videos and i believe in a gamespot interview it was mention by Chris Cao himself that will be continued additions put into the game frompowers to storyline content.....tell me did you run across any two face or darkside, or any of the other 100+ villans that had a direct story arc or did we ever put a end to braniacs conquest of earth directly? Or is half of gotham and metropolis still bottled up. there's ONLY 75 years of DC lore to rake through
lets see how many villans i havent encountered yet.... nah that list is too long.... i'll link it.
http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/rapsheetmain/DCAZ.asp (note some are in here we have ran into...duh just not many.)
and what this guy said about crafting is 100 percent CoH and CO crafting was poop... i couldnt even stack items i was equiped with to raise my stats i would have to ditch the item all together and use another thing. and far as gw2 is concerned hopefully we will be lucky enough to have it come out before duke nuk.... ahem gran turis.... ahem... diablo 3,
yeah diablo 3 comes out or torchlight 2 or any of the 10 rpgs possibly slated for 2011.
I think it is worth pointing this out about DCU since it has been brought up.
DCU plays almost identical to most fantasy games on the market right now.
Gather gear for statistical upgrades, drinking health/mana "colas", repair bills for death penalty, tank/healer/dps trinity, grinding quests from npcs with little symbols floating above their heads, instanced dungeons and battlegrounds, etc etc.
There really isn't very much that seperates that gameplay of DCU from that of a typical fantasy mmo. Other than the setting and the replacement of hotkeys with rapidly spammed sequences of mouth clicks and thrusts, dcu plays like most fantasy games with a super hero twist.
I have to agree with the original post. DCU has some short term entertainment, but overall it isn't a game that is really worth paying $50 + $15 a month to play. Seeing how many different people keep repeating the same concerns I think they will be proven right come february/march.
I had fun too. I'm not laying down cash for the game because it became clear to me that the devs had the PS3 at heart and not the PC.
I like playing on my PC because I like gaming with my mouse and keyboard and being able to tinker around with the UI. I don't have a 32" monitor for nothing.
I found the UI to be...how can I call it...blah?
zomg thats wallHAX
Only you can decide if a game is worth all that money or not. Knowing SOE I think you will be able to just do the trial and start paying a year or so from now, both EQ 1 & 2 is like that.
If you think it is too much just wait, if nothing else box prices usually go down pretty fast for new games.
Personally is the problem more time. I can't spend all the time it takes to play a MMO I don't find really well but I guess some people have more time than money and other the other way around.
Crafting was an example of side things to do and not something that needs to be in the game. I was just stating it should have a few things that are out of the norm when you are bored after awhile with the questing, PvP, Arena, Raiding, or what have you. And the problem with the statement you made and others are making is that the MMORPG fan base is continuing to go with the norm or what they know about a MMORPG. Developers need to stop making the same games over and over but with a different package. When I pointed out the GW2 in my statement it was just pointing out that they are taking what we know as a traditional fantasy MMORPG and changing the mechanics as we know it. Why cant they do that with super hero games? DC Universe as it stands now is like a hack and slash action game with a little multiplayer aspect to it with little or no innovation that they can call there own since other games like CO and COH have already done.
You mentioned about the 100s of heroes and villians that yet havent and may be added as the games goes on if successful and will lead to additional content. True, but then again dont make it the same quests over and over again. After awhile when getting over the wow factor and that I was playing someone working for the JLA or Lex Luthers crew, I started to notice I was fighting those same murlocs over and over in WoW.
This may have been asked, but for the people who have played Team Fortress 2 and/or Global Agenda, what does DCUO offer above and beyond those two games? I'm assuming the graphics are better, of course and then the universe it's set in is well known and has tremendous story potential...but what else?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.