Too difficult.. it just isn't for me :(

Elikal · December 2010

Alas, with all my DC fandom and trying to play the game, my resumee is: it is just too difficult for me. Yes, some quests are doable, yes some tank builts are playable. But overall, I found myself dying WAY too often. Especially my nature and sorcery chars died like silly. It just isn't fun anymore. I just had a quest to destroy some Vorticies in Metropoplis, and I could not destroy a single one without dying every single time. Or boss mobs I try to kill 20 times, until all my gear is trashed and I spent all money on endless repairs...

Maybe I am just too old for this kind of console game, where you need tons of concetration and high dexterity and quick reactions. I never had them and getting older it doesn't get better. I don't want to stick to the 1 or 2 safe uber builts. When the difficulty stays like this, it just isn't fun.

As I said otherwise, the ultra high respawn is already turning me off, and this endless death death death is just killing ALL the fun for me. *shrug*

Take it or leave it, that's how I feel about the game now.

popinjay · December 2010

SoE has a certain audience in mind which is purely based on the gameplay style which is very evident.

Although in reality, a much older MMO player would more than likely be the ideal customer for this game due to their longevity and knowledge of the comic universe (most of us grew up solely on nothing but comic books BEFORE even Pong was invented), the gameplay style will sadly deter many older players.

The combat is more akin to a fast-paced console game which older player don't usually excel in or even like. There is excessive button clicking and a heavy reliance on the ability to "remember" many combinations to perform many of your moves. Unless you have a G15 or something, it's going to be tough to remember those combos in the heat of battle, and you'll often find yourself just mashing anything to get lucky.

The game overall is good and I think it will do okay just on the amount of people wanting fast PvP action (which this game will be better than many MMOs already for that purpose), but it's not going to attract many players over the age of 35 for very long I'd say due to those intangibles.

If you really want a superhero game to fill the void, I'd suggest maybe waiting until January as Champions Online is going Free to Play. The combat is slower which cooldowns so you get more time to make battle decisions, and your fingers and equipment won't wear out just doing missions.

Elikal · December 2010

Well, it is another step from my previous post, where I yet thought DCU to be "made better" to the point now where I realize the game can't be "remedied" because the very basic is flawed.

DCU is a console game. Period. You have combos and you need to react with the right combo at the right time. It's the PS3/XBox type of action gaming. Now the average console gamer, as I see it, just doesn't pay for a MMO with a monthly fee. Just no frigging way. For the usual PC MMO gamer, or at least most, the shiny will wear off after some brief time. The "not for everyone" is basically a HUGE euphemism. Sorry if it sounds like trolling (*shrug*, it just IS my real opinion), but I forsee a HUGE flop in the making. Many will try it out since a) Superhero is still not so often and b) DC brand; and then leave very quickly the same as games like STO or CO fared.

I just don't see any larger number of people will pay a monthly fee for any considerable time. No way.

loreofchaos · December 2010

I wouldn't go so far as to call something such as this a console game, it simply requires a twitchy touch old or not you just got to have the twitches, regardless if its a keyboard or a controller buttons are buttons in my eyes, you make this out to sound like only consoles are worthy of twitch combat, sadly you are msitaken and have become too accustome to eating a sandwitch or smoking a cig with one hand, got news for ya twitch combat game requires you to hold your cig with your lips or don't at all and put that sandwitch away for another time, you see what the game requires is for you to PAY ATTENTION. As in my opinion all games should be.

svbrucey23 · December 2010

Originally posted by Elikal
Well, it is another step from my previous post, where I yet thought DCU to be "made better" to the point now where I realize the game can't be "remedied" because the very basic is flawed.

DCU is a console game. Period. You have combos and you need to react with the right combo at the right time. It's the PS3/XBox type of action gaming. Now the average console gamer, as I see it, just doesn't pay for a MMO with a monthly fee. Just no frigging way. For the usual PC MMO gamer, or at least most, the shiny will wear off after some brief time. The "not for everyone" is basically a HUGE euphemism. Sorry if it sounds like trolling (*shrug*, it just IS my real opinion), but I forsee a HUGE flop in the making. Many will try it out since a) Superhero is still not so often and b) DC brand; and then leave very quickly the same as games like STO or CO fared.

I just don't see any larger number of people will pay a monthly fee for any considerable time. No way.

Following what the above poster said, this is not a console game by any means. It plays so smoothly on the PC, you just have to follow suit and....(wait for it)...play smoothly. If you were expecting some sort of WoW knockoff where you just click and watch your character do tricks for you, that system is outdated. This game is built to make players think on their feet, age doesn't really play much a factor.If you have the right reflexes for the game, you should be fine.

jaxsundane · December 2010

Originally posted by Elikal
Alas, with all my DC fandom and trying to play the game, my resumee is: it is just too difficult for me. Yes, some quests are doable, yes some tank builts are playable. But overall, I found myself dying WAY too often. Especially my nature and sorcery chars died like silly. It just isn't fun anymore. I just had a quest to destroy some Vorticies in Metropoplis, and I could not destroy a single one without dying every single time. Or boss mobs I try to kill 20 times, until all my gear is trashed and I spent all money on endless repairs...

Maybe I am just too old for this kind of console game, where you need tons of concetration and high dexterity and quick reactions. I never had them and getting older it doesn't get better. I don't want to stick to the 1 or 2 safe uber builts. When the difficulty stays like this, it just isn't fun.

As I said otherwise, the ultra high respawn is already turning me off, and this endless death death death is just killing ALL the fun for me. *shrug*

Take it or leave it, that's how I feel about the game now.

I would say sorry to hear and hope you find a game you like but something tells me you'll be sticking around this one and atleast one other I can think of to "talk" about from "time to time".....

bamdorf · December 2010

I know the feeling.

I played Counterstrike, BF1942, etc, with a great group of mostly 20 somthings who were absolutely great about encouraging me and not once complaining about my game play. But I wasn't very coordinated when young, and even ten years ago, I just eventually got frustrated. It hurt real bad because I loved the play and the guys. But there were way too few successes as compared with getting overwhelmed. And today, having finally become a GF, my brain still works but my fingers can't execute the clicks. In fact any significant amount of mouse use and my fingers hurt, so I try to set up in any game so I can do just about everyting with the keyboard (even looting, for example).

So any game like this is right out.

I watched a video recently where suggestions were being made about how to play DAOC better. For example, how to use the mouse for panning properly because using an arrow key is slower, etc. How depressing, because I just can't use the mouse that way. DAOC is still a great game, but I can't do it. Oh well, I guess games that require any level of coordination are built for younger people. Much younger people.

My response to OP: I don't see any answer to it. Getting older is hell.

PS -- someone posted, "if you have the right reflexes, you should be fine". That's the whole point, isn't it?

Elikal · December 2010

Originally posted by bamdorf
I know the feeling.

I played Counterstrike, BF1942, etc, with a great group of mostly 20 somthings who were absolutely great about encouraging me and not once complaining about my game play.    But I wasn't very coordinated when young, and even ten years ago, I just eventually got frustrated.   It hurt real bad because I loved the play and the guys.    But there were way too few successes as compared with getting overwhelmed.    And today, having finally become a GF, my brain still works but my fingers can't execute the clicks. In fact any significant amount of mouse use and my fingers hurt, so I try to set up in any game so I can do just about everyting with the keyboard (even looting, for example).

So any game like this is right out.

I watched a video recently where suggestions were being made about how to play DAOC better.    For example, how to use the mouse for panning properly because using an arrow key is slower, etc.    How depressing, because I just can't use the mouse that way.   DAOC is still a great game, but I can't do it.   Oh well, I guess games that require any level of coordination are built for younger people.   Much younger people.

My response to OP: I don't see any answer to it. Getting older is hell.

PS -- someone posted, "if you have the right reflexes, you should be fine".    That's the whole point, isn't it?

Yeah. As Bette Davis used to say: "Getting old ain't for sissies:"

I prefer my chars to have their skill based on the character skill not MY skill, thank you very much. I can do a BIT "actiony". But DCU is just for another generation. One that is not used to pay monthly fees, I might add.

alderdale · December 2010

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by bamdorf
I know the feeling.

I played Counterstrike, BF1942, etc, with a great group of mostly 20 somthings who were absolutely great about encouraging me and not once complaining about my game play.    But I wasn't very coordinated when young, and even ten years ago, I just eventually got frustrated.   It hurt real bad because I loved the play and the guys.    But there were way too few successes as compared with getting overwhelmed.    And today, having finally become a GF, my brain still works but my fingers can't execute the clicks. In fact any significant amount of mouse use and my fingers hurt, so I try to set up in any game so I can do just about everyting with the keyboard (even looting, for example).

So any game like this is right out.

I watched a video recently where suggestions were being made about how to play DAOC better.    For example, how to use the mouse for panning properly because using an arrow key is slower, etc.    How depressing, because I just can't use the mouse that way.   DAOC is still a great game, but I can't do it.   Oh well, I guess games that require any level of coordination are built for younger people.   Much younger people.

My response to OP: I don't see any answer to it. Getting older is hell.

PS -- someone posted, "if you have the right reflexes, you should be fine".    That's the whole point, isn't it?

Yeah. As Bette Davis used to say: "Getting old ain't for sissies:"

I prefer my chars to have their skill based on the character skill not MY skill, thank you very much. I can do a BIT "actiony". But DCU is just for another generation. One that is not used to pay monthly fees, I might add.

I have to side with Eli, I have never been a fan of whoever mashes the buttons fastest wins, I prefer as Eli does whoever chooses the right ability based on what your opponent does wins, and this shouldnt take 4 button mashes. It sounds like Mortal Combat the MMO to me.........

Edd213 · December 2010

SERIOUSLY. This game was the easiest rpg i ever played

alderdale · December 2010

Originally posted by Edd213
SERIOUSLY. This game was the easiest rpg i ever played

So why did you quit?

udon · December 2010

Originally posted by Edd213
SERIOUSLY. This game was the easiest rpg i ever played

Maybe up until recent patches and with tons of people in the quest areas but with the changes they made to the rate you gain new skills and with players spreading out more there are some quests that are incredibly difficult now bordering on impossible alone.

Mob spawn rates are way to high and their crowd control abilities even at lower levels is way too much for most players to handle. It’s not that bad if you are in a busy questing area as the other players keep the spawns down but if you are the only one in the area it gets frustrating quickly. In many ways the instances (including solo bosses) are easier then the overland zones because they are paced for single players.

I wouldn’t give up on the game just yet OP. It’s still beta and there is enough screaming about this that I think something will change. Otherwise I fear a lot of people will never make it past level 20 and just quit out of frustration.

SteamRanger · December 2010

El, I really have to admire you to have the stones to come into this snake pit full of internet "tough guys" and admit that something may be too hard for you. I myself have to be selective about what I play. Arthritis has a way of limiting your "twitch factor". I can easily see how DCUO could be a fast-track to carpal tunnel syndrome.

It's funny. I've always perceived DC Comics fans as being older and those seem to be the people that will be sidelined in a game focused around the superheroes that many of us remember from "back when". It remains to be seen if console players will remain interested when the have to start shelling out a monthly fee plus the premium items they'll want from the cash shop. It won't be the first time SOE had to learn something the hard way.

Elikal · December 2010

Originally posted by udon

Originally posted by Edd213

SERIOUSLY. This game was the easiest rpg i ever played

Maybe up until recent patches and with tons of people in the quest areas but with the changes they made to the rate you gain new skills and with players spreading out more there are some quests that are incredibly difficult now bordering on impossible alone.

Mob spawn rates are way to high and their crowd control abilities even at lower levels is way too much for most players to handle. It’s not that bad if you are in a busy questing area as the other players keep the spawns down but if you are the only one in the area it gets frustrating quickly. In many ways the instances (including solo bosses) are easier then the overland zones because they are paced for single players.

I wouldn’t give up on the game just yet OP. It’s still beta and there is enough screaming about this that I think something will change. Otherwise I fear a lot of people will never make it past level 20 and just quit out of frustration.

Well, I am a big enough DC fan to hope. Maybe if they had difficulty settings like CO. Normal for easy play, and a hardcore more for more demanding players with a tad more XP or rewards. Or so.

bensculpt · December 2010

I think i more reasonable spawn rate would help this game out. I enjoy the combat and using a gamepad for a change, but gettting your butt handed to you every 5-10 minutes is not very heroic. wait till u fight the stuff that 2 shots u by spaming the special atacks that cant be blocked and only rarely dodged. i love having stuff immediatly spawn behind me and execute there main attacks while im busy fighting for my life. anyway ill probably have to pass on this one, screaming obscenaties at the monitor isnt a healthy use of my downtime!

maskedweasel · December 2010

Most spawn rates will likely be decreased, or mob difficulty will be decreased. Its doubtful they'll keep enemies as tough as they are. They've had some issues with mob and boss balancing across the last few patches. They made the mini bots nigh impassable in the Oolong mission, they started with huntress for the villain side KOing villains many times over. Now Grod is beating heroes left and right, and many mobs are taking much too long to kill or utilizing burst damage that is much higher then previous iterations.

I'm waiting for the next patch before Open Beta to make a full decision on whether I'll be booting up on launch day, or waiting one month.

The game is by no means too difficult for me, but I have found myself fighting harder then I did when I first started. They've made the game infinitely tougher by decreasing the amount of skill points available, increasing mob difficulty and damage, and making some sets like natures healing slightly less potent. Balancing altogether is an issue, but out of all the super hero games, I think the sets are mostly balanced well around PvP, it seems the PvE is what needs work, unlike the other 2 superhero games where PvP balance was just thrown out the window.

duelkore · December 2010

It saddens me to read this stuff. I dont know what I would do with myself if it became painful to click a mouse. I mean shit, how would I pay the bills. My whole life would seemingly end. I hope yall come up with a way around this.

Mykell · December 2010

I'm an old bastard now (just hit 40) and haven't picked up a controller since i used to play Tekken on a playstation in the '90s and i'm having no trouble with DCUO. Somedays my game is off and i seem to die every couple of minutes other days i'm on my A game and feel untouchable. But it doesn't really bother me. I prefer some challenge in my games and it just makes me more stubborn to want to beat it. I just get bored to easily is everything is handed to me on a plate.

jpnole · December 2010

Originally posted by Elikal
Alas, with all my DC fandom and trying to play the game, my resumee is: it is just too difficult for me. Yes, some quests are doable, yes some tank builts are playable. But overall, I found myself dying WAY too often. Especially my nature and sorcery chars died like silly. It just isn't fun anymore. I just had a quest to destroy some Vorticies in Metropoplis, and I could not destroy a single one without dying every single time. Or boss mobs I try to kill 20 times, until all my gear is trashed and I spent all money on endless repairs...

Maybe I am just too old for this kind of console game, where you need tons of concetration and high dexterity and quick reactions. I never had them and getting older it doesn't get better. I don't want to stick to the 1 or 2 safe uber builts. When the difficulty stays like this, it just isn't fun.

As I said otherwise, the ultra high respawn is already turning me off, and this endless death death death is just killing ALL the fun for me. *shrug*

Take it or leave it, that's how I feel about the game now.

I've found that since the latest big patch the diffuculty was ramped up quite a bit. I mean it was easily measurable by the frequency of my character deaths. Well I'm not against a game being challenging. I have preordered and will give it a go to see if grouping is easy like CoH. Can't really tell now since the beta pop is low. You definitely can't jump solo into battle like back in the early to mid beta days. I wouldn't mind the difficulty but they have to drop the durability/repair thing. Kill me all day long but don't make me have to constantly run back to the police station to repair gear. Hell, why not get rid of repair and just up the wait time after dying to 30-45 secs and maybe dock some xp or gold. Repair sucks in any game. There's even a mod for WoW that automatically repairs your gear when you browse a shopkeeper with repair abilities - that's how mundane and stupid the repair thing is.

Umbral · December 2010

Originally posted by Elikal
Yeah. As Bette Davis used to say: "Getting old ain't for sissies:"

I prefer my chars to have their skill based on the character skill not MY skill, thank you very much. I can do a BIT "actiony". But DCU is just for another generation. One that is not used to pay monthly fees, I might add.

Another generation?

This has absolute NOTHING to do with age.

Doom, Heretic, Blood, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, R-type all games related to skilled gameplay and they have more than 25 years of videogame history.

25 years ago, players were participating in endless Street Fighter championships on the arcades, skill in gaming is nothing new.

To tell the truth player with 30+ years old still play Super Street Fighter 4 and Tekken competitively today and this kind of game need MUCH more focus on skills and gameplay than DC Universe.

Players like you who just can't adapt to these kind of games exists now and were a reality 25 years ago too, I have nothing against the fact that YOU prefer games here the skill is related to your character, I like them too as I like games like Street Fighter, Ninja Gaiden, Demon's Souls etc.

But this idea that "actiony" games are for younger players or just for console is a broken and silly argument. By the way, console players are JUST like PC games, enjoy all kind of GOOD games, it doesn't matter the style, most people are used to multiplataform too, just a handfull of PC elitists believe that console gamers are just a bunch of kids.

People who are used to play on PS3 expend money every month on DLCs, the idea of monthly fee is not so absurd as you think for them...and it is not rare to find traditional MMO players playing games like Demon's Souls these days.

I am ok with the fact that you can't adapt to action games, it is very understandable, but you and some others users are just expressing a point of view related to gaming these days that are not exactly attached to reality.

Edit- I am not defending DC Universe, and I have nothing against your personal gaming preferences, I just disagree with your generalization.

bamdorf · December 2010

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by Elikal
Yeah. As Bette Davis used to say: "Getting old ain't for sissies:"

I prefer my chars to have their skill based on the character skill not MY skill, thank you very much. I can do a BIT "actiony". But DCU is just for another generation. One that is not used to pay monthly fees, I might add.

---snip---

But this idea that "actiony" games are for younger players or just for console is a broken and silly argument. By the way, console players are JUST like PC games, enjoy all kind of GOOD games, it doesn't matter the style, most people are used to multiplataform too, just a handfull of PC elitists believe that console gamers are just a bunch of kids.

---snip---

Perhaps I should point out that when I talk about "younger" players I include people in their thirties and early forties. They are a generation away from me. If you think t his argument is broken and silly I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Oh, you WiLL find out. Eventually. And furthermore in my post I only discussed PC games. And more furthermore, I do have an Xbox and I did try hard to play MW2 with my son in law...but it just didn't work. Absolutely slam bang wonderful game. But. So I am not a PC elitist, whereever you got that idea.

It doesn' t make me happy whatsoever to repeat, you will find out. There is a reason why (most!) fighter pilots and table tennis experts are over the hill by the time they are 25. And it certainly isn't because they have suddenly adopted some kind of elitist attitude. The "young" will not understand "the old" until it happens to them. (sigh).

Pigozz · December 2010

so the game's challenging???

Maybe I should give it a try;)

If there's something opposite to gamebreaker - this is it:P

EndDream · December 2010

The game is too easy IMO.

Nikkita · December 2010

I am really surprised that someone finds this game too difficult. I mean i am really surprised....

Umbral · December 2010

Originally posted by bamdorf

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by Elikal
Yeah. As Bette Davis used to say: "Getting old ain't for sissies:"

I prefer my chars to have their skill based on the character skill not MY skill, thank you very much. I can do a BIT "actiony". But DCU is just for another generation. One that is not used to pay monthly fees, I might add.

---snip---

But this idea that "actiony" games are for younger players or just for console is a broken and silly argument. By the way, console players are JUST like PC games, enjoy all kind of GOOD games, it doesn't matter the style, most people are used to multiplataform too, just a handfull of PC elitists believe that console gamers are just a bunch of kids.

---snip---

Perhaps I should point out that when I talk about "younger" players I include people in their thirties and early forties. They are a generation away from me. If you think t his argument is broken and silly I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Oh, you WiLL find out. Eventually. And furthermore in my post I only discussed PC games. And more furthermore, I do have an Xbox and I did try hard to play MW2 with my son in law...but it just didn't work. Absolutely slam bang wonderful game. But. So I am not a PC elitist, whereever you got that idea.

It doesn' t make me happy whatsoever to repeat, you will find out. There is a reason why (most!) fighter pilots and table tennis experts are over the hill by the time they are 25. And it certainly isn't because they have suddenly adopted some kind of elitist attitude. The "young" will not understand "the old" until it happens to them. (sigh).

I didn't mention your post Bamdorf, and I didn't say YOU are a PC elitist, so I really do not understand your defensive post.

The generalization of PC vs Console and age is common around here, to tell the truth, I didn't even read your post.

I don't post real personal info here in this website, you don't really know my age or the age of people who I play with, but this doesn't matter, when I mentioned it is pretty easy to find skilled players older than 30 I included players older than 40/50, talking about fighting games (games that really need focus and skills), some friends and known players had almost 30 at the time Super Street Fighter 2 was a hit on arcades and are great "fighting" players even today.

I don't understand your provocative attitude too.

You said "But I wasn't very coordinated when young, and even ten years ago, I just eventually got frustrated. " So, as I said it is not a matter of age, games that require coordination, faster skills and movements are just not for you, they never were, probably it is the same thing with Elikal, and it is ok.

To tell the truth, probably frustration was your enemy and not exactly "skills".

As I said before, I have nothing against Elikal personal preferences, he is probably a pretty nice person, my argument was related to age, generalizations and this idea that "this kind of videogame" is something new.

Please, lets not compare what is needed for fighter pilots and what is needed for a common player to be able to enjoy DC Universe or any First Person Shooter... or even be a "champion" on a Fighting Game.

bansan · December 2010

If you don't have a macro-programing mouse, can I suggest AutoHotKey? It's a free scripting program, and one feature you can use is to change key presses, or stringing clicks/key presses together.

For example, for Lotro, I like to switch in a legendary weapon to backstab. At one key press, the weapon switches, pauses for half a second to let the switch be effective, backstab, then switches back to the main weapon.

You can have 10 or more combos programed to button/keys on your mouse/keyboard, so it becomes more a combo game than clicking game.

The program doesn't record, so you'll have to learn it's scripting syntax, but I learned it in a couple of hours.

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