I've always perceived DC Comics fans as being older and those seem to be the people that will be sidelined in a game focused around the superheroes that many of us remember from "back when".
This seems to be my biggest observation as well and for me, it's dead on.
Now before someone under 25 comes in and says "Hey, I'm a big fan of DC/Marvel comic genre!" and they probably know more about classic comics than most people, us older players who feel this way aren't knocking that. We aren't saying we are smarter or better because we actually grew up watching almost all of every single character in the game evolve to where they are now.
We were there when Supergirl died and Flash came back 25 years ago in Crisis on Infinite Earth, when Joker killed a Robin and also shot and paralyzed former Batgirl Barbara Gordon causing her to become Oracle (yes, the same Oracle in the game now giving you missions and I was happy about the poll that asked if Robin should be killed by the Joker and most people voted YES), and long before Superman "died" or Batman had his back broken.
Heck, I remember when Magneto was such a weakling, that it was laughable whenever he showed up, then a writer realized just how much metal was in our world and even inside our bodies and he became a god. (I know, wrong universe^^)
Actually the whole Superman death/ Batman back thing speaks to this. It was done in a concentrated move by DC to bring more younger players into comics and up readership, because that generation was starting to ignore them with all the new electronic advances for other things. The older fans stayed true only to have things like that frowned up by most of us.
I think this again is a concentrated move by DC to get younger people's disposable cash (which I don't think they have) and not really interested in the older groups considering the gameplay. I don't fault them because they are supposed to be making money on this, but it's unfortunate what the demo will be of this game. It's not about longtime loyal fans of the genre, it's about players of a video game.
I like the game's art and story but considering the demanding gameplay style, I'm thinking to save my sub for another IP I was there from at the beginning, Star Wars, and get my superhero fix from free to play Champions Online.
Less clicking and remember combos and combo breakers to be sure with CO.
I'm sorry for guys like the poster above me who get the feeling that they won't be able to take part in this game in particular for whatever logic an "older gamer" feels they are unable to take part in this game.
I feel you have a pretty valid point in that alot of the true dc comic book fans are more than likely going to be much older gamers who may feel just as you felt with all the combos and such, to be honest I'm not that different really though I've found the game a joy and just as easy not being exactly sure what combos I should be using.
Champions is garbage and City of Heroes has reached it's maximum enjoyment for me I feel so if I was going to sub to a super hero mmorpg it would be DCUO, overall it looks much better and offers about the same level of depth as the other two super hero mmo's plus the familiarity with the ip (in all fairness I played champions too but t's not the same thing).
After giving it a bit of thought and having not played it for a few days I've decided to forgo the launch of the game and really only because I'm kind of a traditional mmorpg player, I'm not going to be subbing to games that play like COH,CO, DCUO, STO anytime soon, in my opinion the depth of activities simply don't reach a level that justifies me paying them a monthly sub fee for these games. If they at some point just bit the bullet and charged box/donwload fee with the item shops they will all have that is fine with me but I'm not going to support the practice of paying these people equal amounts for less work which tends to be the case with games like these.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I didn't mention your post Bamdorf, and I didn't say YOU are a PC elitist, so I really do not understand your defensive post.
If his post was defensive, what would you call your post?
Originally posted by Umbral
Another generation?
This has absolute NOTHING to do with age.
Players like you who just can't adapt to these kind of games exists now and were a reality 25 years ago too, I have nothing against the fact that YOU prefer games here the skill is related to your character...
But this idea that "actiony" games are for younger players or just for console is a broken and silly argument.
...just a handfull of PC elitists believe that console gamers are just a bunch of kids.
I am ok with the fact that you can't adapt to action games, it is very understandable, but you and some others users are just expressing a point of view related to gaming these days that are not exactly attached to reality.
While the OP was talking generally, you seem to have taken an interest in him personally quite a bit, when he wasn't singling or blaming any players, unlike what you're doing above.
I'm not trying to guess what your age is, but you appear to be somewhat younger in age and have take a defensive stance towards a general personal perception of a player.
Just a conversation about a video game friend, where's your holiday cheer?
I'm sorry for guys like the poster above me who get the feeling that they won't be able to take part in this game in particular for whatever logic an "older gamer" feels they are unable to take part in this game.
Couldn't be more mistaken, if you want the truth.
I actually like the game and said it several times. I don't think you saw that though.
The problem is I'm over 40 and closer to 50. This game is simply not built mechanic wise for MMO (note: MMO) players in that demo. When you look at just about any other MMO, they can be played with no problem mechanically from WoW to EvE without the clickfest of DCUO.
That's not really logic, it's physical fact for the most part. Talk to most gamers over a certain age and they probably will say the same. I see that all the time in chat (when it's going on) about the excessive clicking required in the game. You cannot gloss over that.
Not all of course, but us old fogies only have so many mouse clicks or combo devoted braincells left to play this game.
I've always perceived DC Comics fans as being older and those seem to be the people that will be sidelined in a game focused around the superheroes that many of us remember from "back when".
This seems to be my biggest observation as well and for me, it's dead on.
Now before someone under 25 comes in and says "Hey, I'm a big fan of DC/Marvel comic genre!" and they probably know more about classic comics than most people, us older players who feel this way aren't knocking that. We aren't saying we are smarter or better because we actually grew up watching almost all of every single character in the game evolve to where they are now.
We were there when Supergirl died and Flash came back 25 years ago in Crisis on Infinite Earth, when Joker killed a Robin and also shot and paralyzed former Batgirl Barbara Gordon causing her to become Oracle (yes, the same Oracle in the game now giving you missions and I was happy about the poll that asked if Robin should be killed by the Joker and most people voted YES), and long before Superman "died" or Batman had his back broken.
Heck, I remember when Magneto was such a weakling, that it was laughable whenever he showed up, then a writer realized just how much metal was in our world and even inside our bodies and he became a god. (I know, wrong universe^^)
Actually the whole Superman death/ Batman back thing speaks to this. It was done in a concentrated move by DC to bring more younger players into comics and up readership, because that generation was starting to ignore them with all the new electronic advances for other things. The older fans stayed true only to have things like that frowned up by most of us.
I think this again is a concentrated move by DC to get younger people's disposable cash (which I don't think they have) and not really interested in the older groups considering the gameplay. I don't fault them because they are supposed to be making money on this, but it's unfortunate what the demo will be of this game. It's not about longtime loyal fans of the genre, it's about players of a video game.
I like the game's art and story but considering the demanding gameplay style, I'm thinking to save my sub for another IP I was there from at the beginning, Star Wars, and get my superhero fix from free to play Champions Online.
Less clicking and remember combos and combo breakers to be sure with CO.
DC is capitalizing on their success in the action game genre, not for the younger generations. Prototype and Batman Arkham Asylum were two games that did phenomenally in both sales and reviews. DCUO is following those formulas very closely with the combat style and the story telling.
I feel that the "older gamers" choose not to get it because its "different". Games are only games, and as a gamer you can either choose to play it and get better at the game you play, or give up and not play it because you don't want to put the effort in.
I went into this game not believing that the combat would be any different. I saw the videos, I read the interviews, but when I got my hands on it I couldn't believe how different it was. By the time the game launches I'll have played for more than 2 months, and after 2 weeks of daily solid play everything started falling into place where PvP and PvE became second nature and then I could truly start experiencing the game.
Persistence in personal skill building should go hand in hand with menial character skill building. They should be two sides of the same coin. In most MMOs you have character skill far outweighing player skill, and some people like that as it makes the game easier and more laid back. This coin is more balanced then most, players just need to take the time to learn how to flip it.
It would be like someone saying, "I'd really like to try Yoga." and then they get there and after the first 15 minutes they say. "You have to move your body? I don't think I can do that, I thought I just had to stand here and breathe. I think I'm going to pass." and even as the instructor tries to stop and explain that you can take your time, and take it slowly, and learn as you go, that person walks out.
It has nothing to do with age, or razor sharp hand eye coordination. It has more to do with simply, wanting to play the game, and doing so, not because you're good at it at first, but because you want to get better so that you can experience everything the game has to offer.
I'm sorry for guys like the poster above me who get the feeling that they won't be able to take part in this game in particular for whatever logic an "older gamer" feels they are unable to take part in this game.
Couldn't be more mistaken, if you want the truth.
I actually like the game and said it several times. I don't think you saw that though.
The problem is I'm over 40 and closer to 50. This game is simply not built mechanic wise for MMO (note: MMO) players in that demo. When you look at just about any other MMO, they can be played with no problem mechanically from WoW to EvE without the clickfest of DCUO.
That's not really logic, it's physical fact for the most part. Talk to most gamers over a certain age and they probably will say the same. I see that all the time in chat (when it's going on) about the excessive clicking required in the game. You cannot gloss over that.
Not all of course, but us old fogies only have so many mouse clicks or combo devoted braincells left to play this game.
I did miss your post but that statement in particular was because I have seen others give other reasons why they as an older gamer didn't think they would play the game. I don't disagree I think anyone thinking right about things would see that once you start to hit the mid forties fifties (maybe even younger for some) that your response to certain physical activities are going to change, be it pushing buttons or dunking a basketball.
My only issue though is that population of older gamers may be a bit overstated when taking into account how well this game performs, yeah some older dc fans may not be able to get into this game but when has that stopped other DC products from succeeding? some think it far fetched that this game could be of some competition to COH or CO but I just think that thinking is wrong, if it plays as good as either of those two games (which even though it isn't for me it does) it has the DC ip to bring in some (if not as many as a different design would bring in) to help it gain on two games that while still viable aren't breaking any records or making any suits brag.
I would like to think maybe in six months or so they could have started to think outside the box and add some more to it before I consider subbing but I hope and think the game will be a success at any rate.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
While the OP was talking generally, you seem to have taken an interest in him personally quite a bit, when he wasn't singling or blaming any players, unlike what you're doing above.
I'm not trying to guess what your age is, but you appear to be somewhat younger in age and have take a defensive stance towards a general personal perception of a player.
Just a conversation about a video game friend, where's your holiday cheer?
I really believe you misinterpreted what I said.
I was by no means defensive in my posts, I just tried to make clear that I was not referring to Bamdorf post. When I used the expression "players like you" to the OP, it was not in a negative connotation as I said it is completely understandable when players prefer a more tranquil and slow type of gameplay. I personally enjoy it too.
Generalizations happens here, it is not a matter of I blaming anyone Popinjay.
I never mentioned the OP was blaming any players, I mentioned he just made generalizations and then I expressed why I disagree, really I don't see anything personal on it, lets be honest, your post was much more personal towards me than anything I said to Elikal or Bamdorf about age and videogames.
You said :"Just a conversation about a video game friend, where's your holiday cheer? " What make you think I am not just talking about gaming and video games and full of holiday cheer?
Maybe you believe I was more "serious" or "incisive" than I really was? Maybe because English is not my first language (not even my second) I "sounded" more serious and then you had this impression... anyway, I already expressed my opinion and arguments about age/videogame/gameplaystyles here.
Edit- In the end I really believe "older players" should not be afraid of a bit of action and movement in a new MMORPG, sure there are older and younger players who will not adapt to it and there are older and younger players who will like it. It is not a matter of age or gaming plataform.
If there's something opposite to gamebreaker - this is it:P
Well as in each thing, people have different skills. And different desires, what is too hectic for me, may be just the adrenalin rush another wants. That's why I said too difficult for me. It might indeed be for you then.
I am leaning myself so far out of the window and say: I like the combat/powers system of CO way more. There, I said it. I am not saying CO is the better game altogether, mind ya. The scenery and quests of DCU are really cool. And in this CO just plain sucks. But I really prefer this modular power sets of CO. And the combat of CO seems the right mix between action and classic combat. You still need to be alert and have some action, but it's not overdoing it.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I am soon to be 38 and I actually like this game very much and plan to play it at release. Several friends my age or older feel the same way.
IMO it may not be your age it may be its not just your kind of game. Granted I am sure I am not as fast on twitch based games as someone half my age but I can still hold my own and enjoy myself.
Good luck finding something you do enjoy Sounds like this game isnt your cup of tea but I am sure something else will fill it
I`m 45 yrs old but I`m not haveing any trouble with difficulty. I`m likeing the game a lot so far. I am playing on the PS3 though, and I play both console and PC games. To me, the playstyle of DCUO is a nice change and I like the action.
The game is clearly not fully balanced yet. Some power sets kind of suck right now. They may not have sucked 1 month ago I dunno. One the sets you tried sucks. It sound like both the set you took got nerfed as they are the two healing sets.
I will give you a build and tactics that you should be able to use to succeed decently. If you still suck then yeah you may have a problem
Also the game is currently somewhat buggy. Bad descriptions on some powers, just not working on others, or they appear to not work but do damage with no display. Snowball and Heavy Shuriken are currently behaving very perculiar for me
Currently one of the sucky sets is Nature, IMO. I tried running a Rifle/Shapeshifting guy as my first character. Man rifle sucks. It is way worse than all the other weapon sets. Bad damage and bad combo flow that roots you and wierd powers like the flamethrower ability. It took me a long time to figure out how.
Shapeshifting sucks. It seemed kind of cool and versatile at first so I took it first. Gave me exposure to all travel powers and some other things. But the shapes are not much good Wolf form is pointless because EVERY weapon set has significant melee attacks. Why shift into wolf and lose some powers? Gorilla is limited by super charge so you can't use it for regular fighting. The heal just plain doesn't save your ass. Plant was better but still very awkward.
What I found works very well is the Controller set. So here is specifically what you should try.
Make a character with Telekinetics, Hand Blast and Flight.
The main tactic is to use Hand Blast to start off because it does good knockback with its combo. Start with the combo that KB's then hit the guy with Pyrokinesis. Most TK powers do signficantly added damage when something is stunned or KB. That combo alone will put most normal mobs close to death and medium hard mobs at 50%.
In the case of AOE spawns you use Cryokinesis to root them then blast then with the Force push cone power. Does great AOE damage since the root in Cryo causes Force blast cone to do extra damage.
For defense you are mainly killing things fast and keeping them off balance with stuns and KB. For boss mobs stay alive by kiting and using ranged hand blasts with occasional TK blast + pyrokinesis.
The game is currently kind of strange with spawns in some circumstances. Soemtimes a ton of mobs just seem ot appear from no where or respawn very close together so that they are not single pulls (or spawn on top of you). Currently you need to be kind of careful and scope things out. Some areas are EXTREMELY busy and have crazy fast respawns. The area you mention in the OP is one of them. However this build can take that area. Kill the vortex with ranged blasts from the air. A pair of volatile succubi will spawn. Instantly cry and force push them. This will hurt them severely and disoriente them long enough for you to finish both, make sure to finish them from range as they will explode. Your root and KB should have put them at a good range.
I am currently playing a Martial Arts/Trap character with arcobatics. That is also quite effective but is more advanced. The TK hand blaster is more straightforward. However traps gives you Stealth which is super helpful. No only can you stealth objectives (no CD on reactivating stealth) but you can do things like lay down mines while stealthed and you get a big heavy hitter stealth (all in one power, stealth is its own loadout like wolf form is in shapeshifting) you also get a pair of shcakling crowd control power in stealth. It would be nice if the documentation told you this at some point.
The first thing to get is the hand blast ranged powers you want to get to the I think 3rd combo which is a substantil knockup. Power-wise make sure to get cryo, force cone and pyro. the rest is gravy. This gives you good range and a very nice synergy between weapon and powers.
The game is clearly not fully balanced yet. Some power sets kind of suck right now. They may not have sucked 1 month ago I dunno. One the sets you tried sucks. It sound like both the set you took got nerfed as they are the two healing sets.
I will give you a build and tactics that you should be able to use to succeed decently. If you still suck then yeah you may have a problem
Also the game is currently somewhat buggy. Bad descriptions on some powers, just not working on others, or they appear to not work but do damage with no display. Snowball and Heavy Shuriken are currently behaving very perculiar for me
Currently one of the sucky sets is Nature, IMO. I tried running a Rifle/Shapeshifting guy as my first character. Man rifle sucks. It is way worse than all the other weapon sets. Bad damage and bad combo flow that roots you and wierd powers like the flamethrower ability. It took me a long time to figure out how.
Shapeshifting sucks. It seemed kind of cool and versatile at first so I took it first. Gave me exposure to all travel powers and some other things. But the shapes are not much good Wolf form is pointless because EVERY weapon set has significant melee attacks. Why shift into wolf and lose some powers? Gorilla is limited by super charge so you can't use it for regular fighting. The heal just plain doesn't save your ass. Plant was better but still very awkward.
What I found works very well is the Controller set. So here is specifically what you should try.
Make a character with Telekinetics, Hand Blast and Flight.
The main tactic is to use Hand Blast to start off because it does good knockback with its combo. Start with the combo that KB's then hit the guy with Pyrokinesis. Most TK powers do signficantly added damage when something is stunned or KB. That combo alone will put most normal mobs close to death and medium hard mobs at 50%.
In the case of AOE spawns you use Cryokinesis to root them then blast then with the Force push cone power. Does great AOE damage since the root in Cryo causes Force blast cone to do extra damage.
For defense you are mainly killing things fast and keeping them off balance with stuns and KB. For boss mobs stay alive by kiting and using ranged hand blasts with occasional TK blast + pyrokinesis.
The game is currently kind of strange with spawns in some circumstances. Soemtimes a ton of mobs just seem ot appear from no where or respawn very close together so that they are not single pulls (or spawn on top of you). Currently you need to be kind of careful and scope things out. Some areas are EXTREMELY busy and have crazy fast respawns. The area you mention in the OP is one of them. However this build can take that area. Kill the vortex with ranged blasts from the air. A pair of volatile succubi will spawn. Instantly cry and force push them. This will hurt them severely and disoriente them long enough for you to finish both, make sure to finish them from range as they will explode. Your root and KB should have put them at a good range.
I am currently playing a Martial Arts/Trap character with arcobatics. That is also quite effective but is more advanced. The TK hand blaster is more straightforward. However traps gives you Stealth which is super helpful. No only can you stealth objectives (no CD on reactivating stealth) but you can do things like lay down mines while stealthed and you get a big heavy hitter stealth (all in one power, stealth is its own loadout like wolf form is in shapeshifting) you also get a pair of shcakling crowd control power in stealth. It would be nice if the documentation told you this at some point.
The first thing to get is the hand blast ranged powers you want to get to the I think 3rd combo which is a substantil knockup. Power-wise make sure to get cryo, force cone and pyro. the rest is gravy. This gives you good range and a very nice synergy between weapon and powers.
Oh yes, Shapeshifting is SO bad, indeed. It looked cool at first but ultimately it is very useless. As flying dino I can't block so I am always stunned (which I am way too often anyway), and wolf is so useless.
There are many powers who are quite useless or too weak to really to be advised. Like Meteor Shower. It drops one lava ball, but it drops at exactly the location the mob WAS STANDING when you cast it. Given how fast mobs move, it misses 90% of the time and just smashes into the ground without any use. The descriptions of many powers is quite lacking. Like when I wanted to chose a new power, and it just says vaguely what it does. There is rarely any timer or anything about re-use timers. Like Supermans iconic heat vision. It just says it does heat damage from your eyes. Nothing if it is a one blast shot or continual, nothing how long the shot will last, how much damage it does or how the re-use timer is. It just pisses me off. You essentially have to buy and then see what it really does. And you only can respec ALL your powers, not one at a time.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
The game is clearly not fully balanced yet. Some power sets kind of suck right now. They may not have sucked 1 month ago I dunno. One the sets you tried sucks. It sound like both the set you took got nerfed as they are the two healing sets.
I will give you a build and tactics that you should be able to use to succeed decently. If you still suck then yeah you may have a problem
Also the game is currently somewhat buggy. Bad descriptions on some powers, just not working on others, or they appear to not work but do damage with no display. Snowball and Heavy Shuriken are currently behaving very perculiar for me
Currently one of the sucky sets is Nature, IMO. I tried running a Rifle/Shapeshifting guy as my first character. Man rifle sucks. It is way worse than all the other weapon sets. Bad damage and bad combo flow that roots you and wierd powers like the flamethrower ability. It took me a long time to figure out how.
Shapeshifting sucks. It seemed kind of cool and versatile at first so I took it first. Gave me exposure to all travel powers and some other things. But the shapes are not much good Wolf form is pointless because EVERY weapon set has significant melee attacks. Why shift into wolf and lose some powers? Gorilla is limited by super charge so you can't use it for regular fighting. The heal just plain doesn't save your ass. Plant was better but still very awkward.
What I found works very well is the Controller set. So here is specifically what you should try.
Make a character with Telekinetics, Hand Blast and Flight.
The main tactic is to use Hand Blast to start off because it does good knockback with its combo. Start with the combo that KB's then hit the guy with Pyrokinesis. Most TK powers do signficantly added damage when something is stunned or KB. That combo alone will put most normal mobs close to death and medium hard mobs at 50%.
In the case of AOE spawns you use Cryokinesis to root them then blast then with the Force push cone power. Does great AOE damage since the root in Cryo causes Force blast cone to do extra damage.
For defense you are mainly killing things fast and keeping them off balance with stuns and KB. For boss mobs stay alive by kiting and using ranged hand blasts with occasional TK blast + pyrokinesis.
The game is currently kind of strange with spawns in some circumstances. Soemtimes a ton of mobs just seem ot appear from no where or respawn very close together so that they are not single pulls (or spawn on top of you). Currently you need to be kind of careful and scope things out. Some areas are EXTREMELY busy and have crazy fast respawns. The area you mention in the OP is one of them. However this build can take that area. Kill the vortex with ranged blasts from the air. A pair of volatile succubi will spawn. Instantly cry and force push them. This will hurt them severely and disoriente them long enough for you to finish both, make sure to finish them from range as they will explode. Your root and KB should have put them at a good range.
I am currently playing a Martial Arts/Trap character with arcobatics. That is also quite effective but is more advanced. The TK hand blaster is more straightforward. However traps gives you Stealth which is super helpful. No only can you stealth objectives (no CD on reactivating stealth) but you can do things like lay down mines while stealthed and you get a big heavy hitter stealth (all in one power, stealth is its own loadout like wolf form is in shapeshifting) you also get a pair of shcakling crowd control power in stealth. It would be nice if the documentation told you this at some point.
The first thing to get is the hand blast ranged powers you want to get to the I think 3rd combo which is a substantil knockup. Power-wise make sure to get cryo, force cone and pyro. the rest is gravy. This gives you good range and a very nice synergy between weapon and powers.
Oh yes, Shapeshifting is SO bad, indeed. It looked cool at first but ultimately it is very useless. As flying dino I can't block so I am always stunned (which I am way too often anyway), and wolf is so useless.
There are many powers who are quite useless or too weak to really to be advised. Like Meteor Shower. It drops one lava ball, but it drops at exactly the location the mob WAS STANDING when you cast it. Given how fast mobs move, it misses 90% of the time and just smashes into the ground without any use. The descriptions of many powers is quite lacking. Like when I wanted to chose a new power, and it just says vaguely what it does. There is rarely any timer or anything about re-use timers. Like Supermans iconic heat vision. It just says it does heat damage from your eyes. Nothing if it is a one blast shot or continual, nothing how long the shot will last, how much damage it does or how the re-use timer is. It just pisses me off. You essentially have to buy and then see what it really does. And you only can respec ALL your powers, not one at a time.
I haven't come across one continual power in the game besides the sidekicks. so you would have to assume that there is a limit to how long you use heat vision and that there is a downtime for it. Did you submit feedback on it in the forums or the game? I am sure that in the future they can add some values for you so that you aren't so confused.
They are constantly updating the power descriptions so I assume (don't take it as truth) that they will be adding more to that with not only what it does but how long it last and downtime if any.
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
Shapeshifting is not bad or useless. The werewolf has the most powerful block breaker in the game and rages at PvP. Healing form is key to many of the best healers in the game. Shapeshifting is an extremely powerful PvP tree.
I feel like you are just trying to dislike the game right now. I actually haven't seen anyone try to dislike as much as you, and you are claiming fandom of the IP. Maybe you need to take a step back and approach it from a different angle.
**Edit
That came off a bit rude. Not trying to be like that. What I mean is maybe now that it isn't what you had imagined you should take a step back and take it for what it is and see if it is something you can get some fun out of instead of trying/hoping it is something different.
I am pretty old 50 + and a female to boot I know I know but my generation was not too hot on video games at least women my age. So with those qualification in mind think about how I may approach this game being an old Everquest player and mainly played on those types of games. I have played mainly RPGs even single player games. I also only played Assassin's Creed as my action game credentials I do not think Mass Effect counts.
So far I have been playing this game initially I panicked a lot and hit my left and right like mad on my mouse but I have slowed down my clicking and am using the block and roll and playing more calmly and beginning to really like this game. Come on dude if I can do it you can.
HEY I'M 85 YEARS OLD AND LOVIN THIS GAME!!! YOU YOUNG WHIPPER SNAPPING BASTIDS!!!! CALL ME OLD WILL YA, WHY I'LL HIT YOU WITH MY CANE CROSS YOUR HEAD!!!
Well, I won't say my age but I will say that I have a 15 year old daughter and she's my youngest oO....
Aside from that I know this kind of combat system is what I and many that I have played with through out the years have been asking for. Sorry but Action oriented games aren't new, not by a long shot. MMO's have been dominated by the turn based style, however other games even on PC have not. FPS, Hack and Slash, Action, etc... have been around for a long time and frankly the MMO genre needs to bring some of these in because turn based RPG fans aren't the be all end all market or audience and many of the turn based RPG fans DO enjoy other genre's and many have been asking for this kind of combat system for years.
This is in no way shape or form an "out with the old in with the new" deal. The old players mostly have been asking for a change like this to the genre at least in my experience and with those that I've dealt with in MMO's.
So don't try to say that this is for a younger crowd only or w/e. This won't appeal to those that are turn based diehards and age has nothing to do with that. It's for those that can and enjoy thinking on their feet, it's not for those that can't or don't enjoy thinking on their feet and need or prefer something slower.
If you do prefer or need something slower... which some may... there are other games
This ones for those that have been asking for a bit of diversity in the MMO sector for a decade or so lol. Turn based is NOT the only game play style out there. Doesn't need to be the only one here as it's just limiting the size of the player pool in the MMO sector.
Well, I won't say my age but I will say that I have a 15 year old daughter and she's my youngest oO....
Aside from that I know this kind of combat system is what I and many that I have played with through out the years have been asking for. Sorry but Action oriented games aren't new, not by a long shot. MMO's have been dominated by the turn based style, however other games even on PC have not. FPS, Hack and Slash, Action, etc... have been around for a long time and frankly the MMO genre needs to bring some of these in because turn based RPG fans aren't the be all end all market or audience and many of the turn based RPG fans DO enjoy other genre's and many have been asking for this kind of combat system for years.
This is in no way shape or form an "out with the old in with the new" deal. The old players mostly have been asking for a change like this to the genre at least in my experience and with those that I've dealt with in MMO's.
So don't try to say that this is for a younger crowd only or w/e. This won't appeal to those that are turn based diehards and age has nothing to do with that. It's for those that can and enjoy thinking on their feet, it's not for those that can't or don't enjoy thinking on their feet and need or prefer something slower.
If you do prefer or need something slower... which some may... there are other games
This ones for those that have been asking for a bit of diversity in the MMO sector for a decade or so lol. Turn based is NOT the only game play style out there. Doesn't need to be the only one here as it's just limiting the size of the player pool in the MMO sector.
If you like Slow play I'd suggest FFXIV lol :P
I agree with everything you said. Some find it difficult because they can't use all the skills they have available (not saying it is that this is the OP problem). Some have a hard time with using strategy when they play games even MMO's (don't tell me all older MMO's require strategy you would be telling a lie). In the end it comes down to personal preference.
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
I played Counterstrike, BF1942, etc, with a great group of mostly 20 somthings who were absolutely great about encouraging me and not once complaining about my game play. But I wasn't very coordinated when young, and even ten years ago, I just eventually got frustrated. It hurt real bad because I loved the play and the guys. But there were way too few successes as compared with getting overwhelmed. And today, having finally become a GF, my brain still works but my fingers can't execute the clicks. In fact any significant amount of mouse use and my fingers hurt, so I try to set up in any game so I can do just about everyting with the keyboard (even looting, for example).
So any game like this is right out.
I watched a video recently where suggestions were being made about how to play DAOC better. For example, how to use the mouse for panning properly because using an arrow key is slower, etc. How depressing, because I just can't use the mouse that way. DAOC is still a great game, but I can't do it. Oh well, I guess games that require any level of coordination are built for younger people. Much younger people.
My response to OP: I don't see any answer to it. Getting older is hell.
PS -- someone posted, "if you have the right reflexes, you should be fine". That's the whole point, isn't it?
Yeah. As Bette Davis used to say: "Getting old ain't for sissies:"
I prefer my chars to have their skill based on the character skill not MY skill, thank you very much. I can do a BIT "actiony". But DCU is just for another generation. One that is not used to pay monthly fees, I might add.
I find that amazingly funny you say that. Given this another generation you are talking about is being raised up on things like facebook where you spend LOADS MORE money on the games there then you do on a simple monthly fee. This another generation spends more on there Xbox live account and DLC's then most MMO players do. So to say they do not want to do not play MMO's that could have a monthly fee is just stupid and ignorant on your part. They already spend more then most monthly fees run and I imagine most of them would much rather pay a single monthly fee then to have to fork out $XX more per month then a monthly fee costs.
I might even go on to say that DCUO is going to do amazingly well on the PS3 and if SOE holds true to there large monthly content patchs then I could go on to say that DCUO could be around for a very long time to come. It's a very solid and SMOOTH running game on just about any hardware. It looks and plays great regardless if your on low settings or have it cranked upto max. The Unreal Engine is shining like a new coat of paint with this game and it shows that the 12+ years of its life and improvements have gone a VERY long ways to making a top quality solid working game engine that looks and plays good when in the right hands.
You should just face the facts that you dont like twitch style MMO's and then move on from it. Not try to bash the game because your preference is the click and freget type of MMO's. Thats really the entire core problem of your issues here and you've even came out and admited it. So just let it go and move on, the game is not for you and will never be for you until you enjoy that type of a game. Dont try and drag the game through the mud becuase it doesnt fit your style of gaming. Everything doesnt have to be just about you just for you just the way you want it and be dammed with everything else.
I played Counterstrike, BF1942, etc, with a great group of mostly 20 somthings who were absolutely great about encouraging me and not once complaining about my game play. But I wasn't very coordinated when young, and even ten years ago, I just eventually got frustrated. It hurt real bad because I loved the play and the guys. But there were way too few successes as compared with getting overwhelmed. And today, having finally become a GF, my brain still works but my fingers can't execute the clicks. In fact any significant amount of mouse use and my fingers hurt, so I try to set up in any game so I can do just about everyting with the keyboard (even looting, for example).
So any game like this is right out.
I watched a video recently where suggestions were being made about how to play DAOC better. For example, how to use the mouse for panning properly because using an arrow key is slower, etc. How depressing, because I just can't use the mouse that way. DAOC is still a great game, but I can't do it. Oh well, I guess games that require any level of coordination are built for younger people. Much younger people.
My response to OP: I don't see any answer to it. Getting older is hell.
PS -- someone posted, "if you have the right reflexes, you should be fine". That's the whole point, isn't it?
Yeah. As Bette Davis used to say: "Getting old ain't for sissies:"
I prefer my chars to have their skill based on the character skill not MY skill, thank you very much. I can do a BIT "actiony". But DCU is just for another generation. One that is not used to pay monthly fees, I might add.
I find that amazingly funny you say that. Given this another generation you are talking about is being raised up on things like facebook where you spend LOADS MORE money on the games there then you do on a simple monthly fee. This another generation spends more on there Xbox live account and DLC's then most MMO players do. So to say they do not want to do not play MMO's that could have a monthly fee is just stupid and ignorant on your part. They already spend more then most monthly fees run and I imagine most of them would much rather pay a single monthly fee then to have to fork out $XX more per month then a monthly fee costs.
I might even go on to say that DCUO is going to do amazingly well on the PS3 and if SOE holds true to there large monthly content patchs then I could go on to say that DCUO could be around for a very long time to come. It's a very solid and SMOOTH running game on just about any hardware. It looks and plays great regardless if your on low settings or have it cranked upto max. The Unreal Engine is shining like a new coat of paint with this game and it shows that the 12+ years of its life and improvements have gone a VERY long ways to making a top quality solid working game engine that looks and plays good when in the right hands.
You should just face the facts that you dont like twitch style MMO's and then move on from it. Not try to bash the game because your preference is the click and freget type of MMO's. Thats really the entire core problem of your issues here and you've even came out and admited it. So just let it go and move on, the game is not for you and will never be for you until you enjoy that type of a game. Dont try and drag the game through the mud becuase it doesnt fit your style of gaming. Everything doesnt have to be just about you just for you just the way you want it and be dammed with everything else.
Going on with what you said, most (not all but most) are used to the whole farming crafting rinse wash repeat process of MMO's. I get the questions about crafting in DCUO and when they hear there is none then they say (not all but most) "Well then where is the content". I got bored with after certain levels in older MMO's that it became very gear oriented and raid heavy with nothing to do but farm, craft, sell, rinse, wash, and repeat. I like the way DCUO plays like the stories and hope the next super hero MMO follows some of the same model (you know another is coming out and you know Marvel doesn't want to be outdone by its biggest competitor).
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
Im not old but im 30 and have no problem navigating a controller or my mouse and keyboard.But ill admit i do game on both PC and PS3 when i have the time.As far as difficulty goes its a tad tougher then most MMOs today where you dont die untill endgame.But i still rarely die during PVE.
Im just hoping all the people that dont like the game dont make a large enough wake for SOE to start changing things.All the things these people are complaining about are what make this game different and enjoyable for me.
I played Counterstrike, BF1942, etc, with a great group of mostly 20 somthings who were absolutely great about encouraging me and not once complaining about my game play. But I wasn't very coordinated when young, and even ten years ago, I just eventually got frustrated. It hurt real bad because I loved the play and the guys. But there were way too few successes as compared with getting overwhelmed. And today, having finally become a GF, my brain still works but my fingers can't execute the clicks. In fact any significant amount of mouse use and my fingers hurt, so I try to set up in any game so I can do just about everyting with the keyboard (even looting, for example).
So any game like this is right out.
I watched a video recently where suggestions were being made about how to play DAOC better. For example, how to use the mouse for panning properly because using an arrow key is slower, etc. How depressing, because I just can't use the mouse that way. DAOC is still a great game, but I can't do it. Oh well, I guess games that require any level of coordination are built for younger people. Much younger people.
My response to OP: I don't see any answer to it. Getting older is hell.
PS -- someone posted, "if you have the right reflexes, you should be fine". That's the whole point, isn't it?
Yeah. As Bette Davis used to say: "Getting old ain't for sissies:"
I prefer my chars to have their skill based on the character skill not MY skill, thank you very much. I can do a BIT "actiony". But DCU is just for another generation. One that is not used to pay monthly fees, I might add.
I find that amazingly funny you say that. Given this another generation you are talking about is being raised up on things like facebook where you spend LOADS MORE money on the games there then you do on a simple monthly fee. This another generation spends more on there Xbox live account and DLC's then most MMO players do. So to say they do not want to do not play MMO's that could have a monthly fee is just stupid and ignorant on your part. They already spend more then most monthly fees run and I imagine most of them would much rather pay a single monthly fee then to have to fork out $XX more per month then a monthly fee costs.
I might even go on to say that DCUO is going to do amazingly well on the PS3 and if SOE holds true to there large monthly content patchs then I could go on to say that DCUO could be around for a very long time to come. It's a very solid and SMOOTH running game on just about any hardware. It looks and plays great regardless if your on low settings or have it cranked upto max. The Unreal Engine is shining like a new coat of paint with this game and it shows that the 12+ years of its life and improvements have gone a VERY long ways to making a top quality solid working game engine that looks and plays good when in the right hands.
You should just face the facts that you dont like twitch style MMO's and then move on from it. Not try to bash the game because your preference is the click and freget type of MMO's. Thats really the entire core problem of your issues here and you've even came out and admited it. So just let it go and move on, the game is not for you and will never be for you until you enjoy that type of a game. Dont try and drag the game through the mud becuase it doesnt fit your style of gaming. Everything doesnt have to be just about you just for you just the way you want it and be dammed with everything else.
Going on with what you said, most (not all but most) are used to the whole farming crafting rinse wash repeat process of MMO's. I get the questions about crafting in DCUO and when they hear there is none then they say (not all but most) "Well then where is the content". I got bored with after certain levels in older MMO's that it became very gear oriented and raid heavy with nothing to do but farm, craft, sell, rinse, wash, and repeat. I like the way DCUO plays like the stories and hope the next super hero MMO follows some of the same model (you know another is coming out and you know Marvel doesn't want to be outdone by its biggest competitor).
I very much enjoy that the game is focused on telling a great story and letting you play the game the way you want within regards to how your character looks regardloss of the gear you have on. I very much like that gear does have an effect and offers different appearance options that you unlock for your character, but I also like that i dont have to trade stats for looks and that I am not stuf with the exact same look I created my character with.
I very much like how the storylines play out and if they can continue to build upon them each month with new storylines and instances and areas then I can see the game doing fairly good. It might never be a WoW population but it doesnt have to be and the feeling I get is that they have no intentions of it being that. Crafting has and ALLWAYS will be nothing more then just a timesink in the themepark mmo's.
I am by no means a DCUO fanboy or anything. I play lots of World of Warcraft with my wife and friends, we enjoy it. But I also enjoy playing DCUO because I find it fun, simi challanging, and to have great storys. I find myself doing low level quests just to see how the story plays out for them quests. The voice overs are a great addition and combined with the comic book style cinematic scenes that play after you complete a story arc. Well its just makes for a great experience.
As far as Marvel goes, I am sure they will put out a good game. Well as long as they keep it away from Cryptic's hands that is.
DCUO wont be a game you login and sink 6 hours every night of the week into it, Theres no doubt about that.
LOL Marvel. You DO realize that the "Marvel" game became "Champions" online right? Marvel pulled it's stuff at the last minute. Why do you think that so many of the toons looked Marvel like? Huh? Coincidence? I think not.
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Now before someone under 25 comes in and says "Hey, I'm a big fan of DC/Marvel comic genre!" and they probably know more about classic comics than most people, us older players who feel this way aren't knocking that. We aren't saying we are smarter or better because we actually grew up watching almost all of every single character in the game evolve to where they are now.
We were there when Supergirl died and Flash came back 25 years ago in Crisis on Infinite Earth, when Joker killed a Robin and also shot and paralyzed former Batgirl Barbara Gordon causing her to become Oracle (yes, the same Oracle in the game now giving you missions and I was happy about the poll that asked if Robin should be killed by the Joker and most people voted YES), and long before Superman "died" or Batman had his back broken.
Heck, I remember when Magneto was such a weakling, that it was laughable whenever he showed up, then a writer realized just how much metal was in our world and even inside our bodies and he became a god. (I know, wrong universe^^)
Actually the whole Superman death/ Batman back thing speaks to this. It was done in a concentrated move by DC to bring more younger players into comics and up readership, because that generation was starting to ignore them with all the new electronic advances for other things. The older fans stayed true only to have things like that frowned up by most of us.
I think this again is a concentrated move by DC to get younger people's disposable cash (which I don't think they have) and not really interested in the older groups considering the gameplay. I don't fault them because they are supposed to be making money on this, but it's unfortunate what the demo will be of this game. It's not about longtime loyal fans of the genre, it's about players of a video game.
I like the game's art and story but considering the demanding gameplay style, I'm thinking to save my sub for another IP I was there from at the beginning, Star Wars, and get my superhero fix from free to play Champions Online.
Less clicking and remember combos and combo breakers to be sure with CO.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I'm sorry for guys like the poster above me who get the feeling that they won't be able to take part in this game in particular for whatever logic an "older gamer" feels they are unable to take part in this game.
I feel you have a pretty valid point in that alot of the true dc comic book fans are more than likely going to be much older gamers who may feel just as you felt with all the combos and such, to be honest I'm not that different really though I've found the game a joy and just as easy not being exactly sure what combos I should be using.
Champions is garbage and City of Heroes has reached it's maximum enjoyment for me I feel so if I was going to sub to a super hero mmorpg it would be DCUO, overall it looks much better and offers about the same level of depth as the other two super hero mmo's plus the familiarity with the ip (in all fairness I played champions too but t's not the same thing).
After giving it a bit of thought and having not played it for a few days I've decided to forgo the launch of the game and really only because I'm kind of a traditional mmorpg player, I'm not going to be subbing to games that play like COH,CO, DCUO, STO anytime soon, in my opinion the depth of activities simply don't reach a level that justifies me paying them a monthly sub fee for these games. If they at some point just bit the bullet and charged box/donwload fee with the item shops they will all have that is fine with me but I'm not going to support the practice of paying these people equal amounts for less work which tends to be the case with games like these.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
If his post was defensive, what would you call your post?
While the OP was talking generally, you seem to have taken an interest in him personally quite a bit, when he wasn't singling or blaming any players, unlike what you're doing above.
I'm not trying to guess what your age is, but you appear to be somewhat younger in age and have take a defensive stance towards a general personal perception of a player.
Just a conversation about a video game friend, where's your holiday cheer?
"TO MICHAEL!"
Couldn't be more mistaken, if you want the truth.
I actually like the game and said it several times. I don't think you saw that though.
The problem is I'm over 40 and closer to 50. This game is simply not built mechanic wise for MMO (note: MMO) players in that demo. When you look at just about any other MMO, they can be played with no problem mechanically from WoW to EvE without the clickfest of DCUO.
That's not really logic, it's physical fact for the most part. Talk to most gamers over a certain age and they probably will say the same. I see that all the time in chat (when it's going on) about the excessive clicking required in the game. You cannot gloss over that.
Not all of course, but us old fogies only have so many mouse clicks or combo devoted braincells left to play this game.
"TO MICHAEL!"
DC is capitalizing on their success in the action game genre, not for the younger generations. Prototype and Batman Arkham Asylum were two games that did phenomenally in both sales and reviews. DCUO is following those formulas very closely with the combat style and the story telling.
I feel that the "older gamers" choose not to get it because its "different". Games are only games, and as a gamer you can either choose to play it and get better at the game you play, or give up and not play it because you don't want to put the effort in.
I went into this game not believing that the combat would be any different. I saw the videos, I read the interviews, but when I got my hands on it I couldn't believe how different it was. By the time the game launches I'll have played for more than 2 months, and after 2 weeks of daily solid play everything started falling into place where PvP and PvE became second nature and then I could truly start experiencing the game.
Persistence in personal skill building should go hand in hand with menial character skill building. They should be two sides of the same coin. In most MMOs you have character skill far outweighing player skill, and some people like that as it makes the game easier and more laid back. This coin is more balanced then most, players just need to take the time to learn how to flip it.
It would be like someone saying, "I'd really like to try Yoga." and then they get there and after the first 15 minutes they say. "You have to move your body? I don't think I can do that, I thought I just had to stand here and breathe. I think I'm going to pass." and even as the instructor tries to stop and explain that you can take your time, and take it slowly, and learn as you go, that person walks out.
It has nothing to do with age, or razor sharp hand eye coordination. It has more to do with simply, wanting to play the game, and doing so, not because you're good at it at first, but because you want to get better so that you can experience everything the game has to offer.
I did miss your post but that statement in particular was because I have seen others give other reasons why they as an older gamer didn't think they would play the game. I don't disagree I think anyone thinking right about things would see that once you start to hit the mid forties fifties (maybe even younger for some) that your response to certain physical activities are going to change, be it pushing buttons or dunking a basketball.
My only issue though is that population of older gamers may be a bit overstated when taking into account how well this game performs, yeah some older dc fans may not be able to get into this game but when has that stopped other DC products from succeeding? some think it far fetched that this game could be of some competition to COH or CO but I just think that thinking is wrong, if it plays as good as either of those two games (which even though it isn't for me it does) it has the DC ip to bring in some (if not as many as a different design would bring in) to help it gain on two games that while still viable aren't breaking any records or making any suits brag.
I would like to think maybe in six months or so they could have started to think outside the box and add some more to it before I consider subbing but I hope and think the game will be a success at any rate.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I really believe you misinterpreted what I said.
I was by no means defensive in my posts, I just tried to make clear that I was not referring to Bamdorf post. When I used the expression "players like you" to the OP, it was not in a negative connotation as I said it is completely understandable when players prefer a more tranquil and slow type of gameplay. I personally enjoy it too.
Generalizations happens here, it is not a matter of I blaming anyone Popinjay.
I never mentioned the OP was blaming any players, I mentioned he just made generalizations and then I expressed why I disagree, really I don't see anything personal on it, lets be honest, your post was much more personal towards me than anything I said to Elikal or Bamdorf about age and videogames.
You said :"Just a conversation about a video game friend, where's your holiday cheer?
" What make you think I am not just talking about gaming and video games and full of holiday cheer?
Maybe you believe I was more "serious" or "incisive" than I really was? Maybe because English is not my first language (not even my second) I "sounded" more serious and then you had this impression... anyway, I already expressed my opinion and arguments about age/videogame/gameplaystyles here.
Edit- In the end I really believe "older players" should not be afraid of a bit of action and movement in a new MMORPG, sure there are older and younger players who will not adapt to it and there are older and younger players who will like it. It is not a matter of age or gaming plataform.
Well as in each thing, people have different skills. And different desires, what is too hectic for me, may be just the adrenalin rush another wants. That's why I said too difficult for me. It might indeed be for you then.
I am leaning myself so far out of the window and say: I like the combat/powers system of CO way more. There, I said it. I am not saying CO is the better game altogether, mind ya. The scenery and quests of DCU are really cool. And in this CO just plain sucks. But I really prefer this modular power sets of CO. And the combat of CO seems the right mix between action and classic combat. You still need to be alert and have some action, but it's not overdoing it.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I am soon to be 38 and I actually like this game very much and plan to play it at release. Several friends my age or older feel the same way.
IMO it may not be your age it may be its not just your kind of game. Granted I am sure I am not as fast on twitch based games as someone half my age but I can still hold my own and enjoy myself.
Good luck finding something you do enjoy
Sounds like this game isnt your cup of tea but I am sure something else will fill it 
Happy Holidays.
This games only as challenging as you make it you dont need paragraphs to detail that you need GROUPS DO SOME THINGS
I`m 45 yrs old but I`m not haveing any trouble with difficulty. I`m likeing the game a lot so far. I am playing on the PS3 though, and I play both console and PC games. To me, the playstyle of DCUO is a nice change and I like the action.
probably the easiest mmorpg i have ever played. just sayin.
The game is clearly not fully balanced yet. Some power sets kind of suck right now. They may not have sucked 1 month ago I dunno. One the sets you tried sucks. It sound like both the set you took got nerfed as they are the two healing sets.
I will give you a build and tactics that you should be able to use to succeed decently. If you still suck then yeah you may have a problem
Also the game is currently somewhat buggy. Bad descriptions on some powers, just not working on others, or they appear to not work but do damage with no display. Snowball and Heavy Shuriken are currently behaving very perculiar for me
Currently one of the sucky sets is Nature, IMO. I tried running a Rifle/Shapeshifting guy as my first character. Man rifle sucks. It is way worse than all the other weapon sets. Bad damage and bad combo flow that roots you and wierd powers like the flamethrower ability. It took me a long time to figure out how.
Shapeshifting sucks. It seemed kind of cool and versatile at first so I took it first. Gave me exposure to all travel powers and some other things. But the shapes are not much good Wolf form is pointless because EVERY weapon set has significant melee attacks. Why shift into wolf and lose some powers? Gorilla is limited by super charge so you can't use it for regular fighting. The heal just plain doesn't save your ass. Plant was better but still very awkward.
What I found works very well is the Controller set. So here is specifically what you should try.
Make a character with Telekinetics, Hand Blast and Flight.
The main tactic is to use Hand Blast to start off because it does good knockback with its combo. Start with the combo that KB's then hit the guy with Pyrokinesis. Most TK powers do signficantly added damage when something is stunned or KB. That combo alone will put most normal mobs close to death and medium hard mobs at 50%.
In the case of AOE spawns you use Cryokinesis to root them then blast then with the Force push cone power. Does great AOE damage since the root in Cryo causes Force blast cone to do extra damage.
For defense you are mainly killing things fast and keeping them off balance with stuns and KB. For boss mobs stay alive by kiting and using ranged hand blasts with occasional TK blast + pyrokinesis.
The game is currently kind of strange with spawns in some circumstances. Soemtimes a ton of mobs just seem ot appear from no where or respawn very close together so that they are not single pulls (or spawn on top of you). Currently you need to be kind of careful and scope things out. Some areas are EXTREMELY busy and have crazy fast respawns. The area you mention in the OP is one of them. However this build can take that area. Kill the vortex with ranged blasts from the air. A pair of volatile succubi will spawn. Instantly cry and force push them. This will hurt them severely and disoriente them long enough for you to finish both, make sure to finish them from range as they will explode. Your root and KB should have put them at a good range.
I am currently playing a Martial Arts/Trap character with arcobatics. That is also quite effective but is more advanced. The TK hand blaster is more straightforward. However traps gives you Stealth which is super helpful. No only can you stealth objectives (no CD on reactivating stealth) but you can do things like lay down mines while stealthed and you get a big heavy hitter stealth (all in one power, stealth is its own loadout like wolf form is in shapeshifting) you also get a pair of shcakling crowd control power in stealth. It would be nice if the documentation told you this at some point.
The first thing to get is the hand blast ranged powers you want to get to the I think 3rd combo which is a substantil knockup. Power-wise make sure to get cryo, force cone and pyro. the rest is gravy. This gives you good range and a very nice synergy between weapon and powers.
Oh yes, Shapeshifting is SO bad, indeed. It looked cool at first but ultimately it is very useless. As flying dino I can't block so I am always stunned (which I am way too often anyway), and wolf is so useless.
There are many powers who are quite useless or too weak to really to be advised. Like Meteor Shower. It drops one lava ball, but it drops at exactly the location the mob WAS STANDING when you cast it. Given how fast mobs move, it misses 90% of the time and just smashes into the ground without any use. The descriptions of many powers is quite lacking. Like when I wanted to chose a new power, and it just says vaguely what it does. There is rarely any timer or anything about re-use timers. Like Supermans iconic heat vision. It just says it does heat damage from your eyes. Nothing if it is a one blast shot or continual, nothing how long the shot will last, how much damage it does or how the re-use timer is. It just pisses me off. You essentially have to buy and then see what it really does. And you only can respec ALL your powers, not one at a time.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I haven't come across one continual power in the game besides the sidekicks. so you would have to assume that there is a limit to how long you use heat vision and that there is a downtime for it. Did you submit feedback on it in the forums or the game? I am sure that in the future they can add some values for you so that you aren't so confused.
They are constantly updating the power descriptions so I assume (don't take it as truth) that they will be adding more to that with not only what it does but how long it last and downtime if any.
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
Shapeshifting is not bad or useless. The werewolf has the most powerful block breaker in the game and rages at PvP. Healing form is key to many of the best healers in the game. Shapeshifting is an extremely powerful PvP tree.
I feel like you are just trying to dislike the game right now. I actually haven't seen anyone try to dislike as much as you, and you are claiming fandom of the IP. Maybe you need to take a step back and approach it from a different angle.
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That came off a bit rude. Not trying to be like that. What I mean is maybe now that it isn't what you had imagined you should take a step back and take it for what it is and see if it is something you can get some fun out of instead of trying/hoping it is something different.
So far I have been playing this game initially I panicked a lot and hit my left and right like mad on my mouse but I have slowed down my clicking and am using the block and roll and playing more calmly and beginning to really like this game. Come on dude if I can do it you can.
HEY I'M 85 YEARS OLD AND LOVIN THIS GAME!!! YOU YOUNG WHIPPER SNAPPING BASTIDS!!!! CALL ME OLD WILL YA, WHY I'LL HIT YOU WITH MY CANE CROSS YOUR HEAD!!!
Well, I won't say my age but I will say that I have a 15 year old daughter and she's my youngest oO....
Aside from that I know this kind of combat system is what I and many that I have played with through out the years have been asking for. Sorry but Action oriented games aren't new, not by a long shot. MMO's have been dominated by the turn based style, however other games even on PC have not. FPS, Hack and Slash, Action, etc... have been around for a long time and frankly the MMO genre needs to bring some of these in because turn based RPG fans aren't the be all end all market or audience and many of the turn based RPG fans DO enjoy other genre's and many have been asking for this kind of combat system for years.
This is in no way shape or form an "out with the old in with the new" deal. The old players mostly have been asking for a change like this to the genre at least in my experience and with those that I've dealt with in MMO's.
So don't try to say that this is for a younger crowd only or w/e. This won't appeal to those that are turn based diehards and age has nothing to do with that. It's for those that can and enjoy thinking on their feet, it's not for those that can't or don't enjoy thinking on their feet and need or prefer something slower.
If you do prefer or need something slower... which some may... there are other games
This ones for those that have been asking for a bit of diversity in the MMO sector for a decade or so lol. Turn based is NOT the only game play style out there. Doesn't need to be the only one here as it's just limiting the size of the player pool in the MMO sector.
If you like Slow play I'd suggest FFXIV lol :P
I agree with everything you said. Some find it difficult because they can't use all the skills they have available (not saying it is that this is the OP problem). Some have a hard time with using strategy when they play games even MMO's (don't tell me all older MMO's require strategy you would be telling a lie). In the end it comes down to personal preference.
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
I find that amazingly funny you say that. Given this another generation you are talking about is being raised up on things like facebook where you spend LOADS MORE money on the games there then you do on a simple monthly fee. This another generation spends more on there Xbox live account and DLC's then most MMO players do. So to say they do not want to do not play MMO's that could have a monthly fee is just stupid and ignorant on your part. They already spend more then most monthly fees run and I imagine most of them would much rather pay a single monthly fee then to have to fork out $XX more per month then a monthly fee costs.
I might even go on to say that DCUO is going to do amazingly well on the PS3 and if SOE holds true to there large monthly content patchs then I could go on to say that DCUO could be around for a very long time to come. It's a very solid and SMOOTH running game on just about any hardware. It looks and plays great regardless if your on low settings or have it cranked upto max. The Unreal Engine is shining like a new coat of paint with this game and it shows that the 12+ years of its life and improvements have gone a VERY long ways to making a top quality solid working game engine that looks and plays good when in the right hands.
You should just face the facts that you dont like twitch style MMO's and then move on from it. Not try to bash the game because your preference is the click and freget type of MMO's. Thats really the entire core problem of your issues here and you've even came out and admited it. So just let it go and move on, the game is not for you and will never be for you until you enjoy that type of a game. Dont try and drag the game through the mud becuase it doesnt fit your style of gaming. Everything doesnt have to be just about you just for you just the way you want it and be dammed with everything else.
Going on with what you said, most (not all but most) are used to the whole farming crafting rinse wash repeat process of MMO's. I get the questions about crafting in DCUO and when they hear there is none then they say (not all but most) "Well then where is the content". I got bored with after certain levels in older MMO's that it became very gear oriented and raid heavy with nothing to do but farm, craft, sell, rinse, wash, and repeat. I like the way DCUO plays like the stories and hope the next super hero MMO follows some of the same model (you know another is coming out and you know Marvel doesn't want to be outdone by its biggest competitor).
"You think this "A" stands for France?" Captain America
Im not old but im 30 and have no problem navigating a controller or my mouse and keyboard.But ill admit i do game on both PC and PS3 when i have the time.As far as difficulty goes its a tad tougher then most MMOs today where you dont die untill endgame.But i still rarely die during PVE.
Im just hoping all the people that dont like the game dont make a large enough wake for SOE to start changing things.All the things these people are complaining about are what make this game different and enjoyable for me.
Darkfall - Sick
Earthrise - Sick
I very much enjoy that the game is focused on telling a great story and letting you play the game the way you want within regards to how your character looks regardloss of the gear you have on. I very much like that gear does have an effect and offers different appearance options that you unlock for your character, but I also like that i dont have to trade stats for looks and that I am not stuf with the exact same look I created my character with.
I very much like how the storylines play out and if they can continue to build upon them each month with new storylines and instances and areas then I can see the game doing fairly good. It might never be a WoW population but it doesnt have to be and the feeling I get is that they have no intentions of it being that. Crafting has and ALLWAYS will be nothing more then just a timesink in the themepark mmo's.
I am by no means a DCUO fanboy or anything. I play lots of World of Warcraft with my wife and friends, we enjoy it. But I also enjoy playing DCUO because I find it fun, simi challanging, and to have great storys. I find myself doing low level quests just to see how the story plays out for them quests. The voice overs are a great addition and combined with the comic book style cinematic scenes that play after you complete a story arc. Well its just makes for a great experience.
As far as Marvel goes, I am sure they will put out a good game. Well as long as they keep it away from Cryptic's hands that is.
DCUO wont be a game you login and sink 6 hours every night of the week into it, Theres no doubt about that.
LOL Marvel. You DO realize that the "Marvel" game became "Champions" online right? Marvel pulled it's stuff at the last minute. Why do you think that so many of the toons looked Marvel like? Huh? Coincidence? I think not.