Originally posted by apher Hope you people realise that in the marketing terms voting none of the above equals voting World of Warcraft. And Perpetuum is a fine game. EDIT: Ok just to ninja clarify before someone quotes. Perpetuum (and to an extent Vindictus) is a good game with different and fresh take on a mmorpg genre as well as smooth and bugless launch. By voting none of the aboveyou[object Window]re basically saying ]nope, we'd like more of the WoW-crap please. So I guess enjoy your Rift then.
No matter how bad you are trying to make it sound ... I am playing WoW-crap again .... because face it , it still offers loads of fun for those not currently worn out by it and definately more fun then the games 2010 brought us. I tried perpetuum ... i tried vindictus ... both lasted me a few hours ... and back I go to WoW for the third time in 5 years
Hope you people realise that in the marketing terms voting "none of the above" equals voting World of Warcraft. And Perpetuum is a fine game.
EDIT: Ok just to ninja clarify before someone quotes. Perpetuum (and to an extent Vindictus) is a good game with different and fresh take on a mmorpg genre as well as smooth and bugless launch. By voting "none of the above" you're basically saying "nope, we'd like more of the WoW-crap please". So I guess enjoy your Rift then.
well, i did never play vindictus, prefer living in a virtual world instead of playing kust another game, and i argue, that a hub with instanced maps is even a MMO. i had the chance to look at Perpetuum in open beta, but just for a few hours. it looks like a good sandbox, but i dont like the robot-setting. so even if i like the sandbox-model it is not for me, unfortunatly.
so how could you say i voted for WoW-type garbage indirectly? and no, i will not play RIFT or vote for it after this beta. RIFT is perhaps the best theme-park out there and this is exactly why it bores me to death.
I'm not sure this result is something this particular gaming community should be proud of. I think it shows a lack of discernment on our part as consumers. I think it shows that as a group we simply gave up and rather than even try we declared all of 2010 a failure. Millions of people around the world have found fun in the very games we've condenmed with a broad brush. If anything this makes us look like a pack of emo nerds who dress in black and lament the fact that the world is totally worthless and against us.
All the staff has done here is hold up the mirror and let us see our own faces. Was I disappointed in some of those games? Yes, however I did manage to find some fun in them all except for STO. STO left me feeling duped, but that had more to do with Cryptic's marketing than the game itself.
If we could, as a group, concentrate our efforts on what areas of a game we like and explain why we like it, the gaming developers might get the message. We've tried screaming about what we don't like for a decade and I think the development companies have finally become numb to it. It's like kids. If you yell at your kids all the time they eventually just don't hear it anymore. We've carried on our war with devs so long they've probably begun to regard us as perpetual malcontents that will never be happy and therefore should be ignored.
To me this looks like nothing but the ultimate expression of frustration and the final step in marginalizing the opinion of the forum community here. We've told the gaming companies that everything they put out stunk this year so why should they even care what our opinion is going forward?
I'm as guilty as the next guy in this, so try not to get your backs up too much at me. Maybe our new year's resolution should be to start from a positive angle in 2011 and say, "We liked this mechanic or we liked that feature. Could we get more of that and a little less of this?" Constructive criticism can be resepcted. A collective throwing all of our toys out of the pram will simply get us ignored.
Many a small thing has been made large by the right kind of advertising.
P.S., Maybe the staff could help us a little by inviting the devs to a constructive discussion or two about their games. I'm sure there are many people here that are willing to work with Devs in helping them understand what gamers like and what they'd like to see more of. I think most Devs would like to hear from people who can have a civil discussion on the topic of the game and come at it from a constructive angle such as, "Do more of this" and "Emphasis more of that.".
This might lead us to more games we are happy with.
Many a small thing has been made large by the right kind of advertising.
there are a lot of threads on our forum, where people try to describe pretty precise, what features are leading into the wrong direction and what is expected for the future. this forum is not full of whiners and naysayers as you assume with your statement above.
do you expect, that we vote for their crap, just because they keep ignoring us otherwise? how weird is that?
PS: OK, Perpetuum is no crap. it just came very late, therefor pretty unknown and a niche game for the time being.
You guys can criticize all you want but I will sit here, cross my arms, and tell you flat out that I would RATHER NO ONE win a "best new game" award than award it to a game that DOES NOT DESERVE it.
I'm sorry, that's how I feel. I've played almost all of these games and I didn't care for ANY of them. So close yet so far. I hope that the LACK of awards shows the gaming industry that we are displeased with their direction, I doubt it but I can hope.
P.S. For example, when a game of the year is listed as STO (on a competing site) I can't help but LMAO at that site because it loses credibility. That would be like saying FFXIV had the best MMO launch ever. Saying something does not indicate that it is a valid or true statement.
I don't remmember what I voted for between Vindictus or "None of the above!", but I remmember thinking that if I vote for Vindictus it's only because I just wanted to vote for a game.
But if MMORPG site and other sites are finally saying that "None of the above!" has a real meaning in this award (most of the times, we can see this choice first in polls and the prize/merit goes to the 2nd choice) than I can say that "None of the above!" is truely my vote. I mean, this year had some expectations and it was crap, specially for Europeans (Where is Mabinogui:Heroes/Vindictus? where is Dragon Nest? Where are the "good" games that launched in NA and not in EU?).
BTW, I think Vindictus and Dragon Nest shouldn't be viewed as MMORPG, but as Co-op RPG. Because, from what I see from the gameplay videos (and I actually played DN), they are very simillar to GW1 in the restrictions of playing together and instances. I'm not really sure about Vindictus, but I am about DN.
Edit: But I guess I'm wrong in my thoughts. I thought this award was for the best new mmorpg of the year...and actually it's best new GAME of the year.
Why would we vote for ANY of those games if they were garbage. None of them were the best of 2010 because they were all bad. And the devs aren't listening. I'd say the poll is a wake up call to the devs. The question is whether they will listen or not.
there are a lot of threads on our forum, where people try to describe pretty precise, what features are leading into the wrong direction and what is expected for the future. this forum is not full of whiners and naysayers as you assume with your statement above.
do you expect, that we vote for their crap, just because they keep ignoring us otherwise? how weird is that?
PS: OK, Perpetuum is no crap. it just came very late, therefor pretty unknown and a niche game for the time being.
To me the Vote isn't the key. It's the general negative tide that is constantly flowing here. "None of the Above" is a vote for general throw your hands up frustration. I'm not saying that kind of frustration isn't warranted. I'm arguing that it's not constructive. Think of the Devs as employees. If all you do is give your employees negative feedback they get discouraged and eventually will move to some place that makes them feel they at least are appreciated.
Perhaps this should have been a separate poll. Something about overall satisfaction with the direction of the industry as opposed to having the option to say, "It all stunk" in a game of the year poll.
The voice of this forum is only the voice of the 200 odd people who post here. It is exrreme arrogance on our part to think we speak for the vast majority of gamers out there. In truth people are playing these games and paying to play them, so they devs did something right for someone.
I just don't think we should yeild to our frustrations is all. It's too easy.
Many a small thing has been made large by the right kind of advertising.
there are a lot of threads on our forum, where people try to describe pretty precise, what features are leading into the wrong direction and what is expected for the future. this forum is not full of whiners and naysayers as you assume with your statement above.
do you expect, that we vote for their crap, just because they keep ignoring us otherwise? how weird is that?
PS: OK, Perpetuum is no crap. it just came very late, therefor pretty unknown and a niche game for the time being.
To me the Vote isn't the key. It's the general negative tide that is constantly flowing here. "None of the Above" is a vote for general throw your hands up frustration. I'm not saying that kind of frustration isn't warranted. I'm arguing that it's not constructive. Think of the Devs as employees. If all you do is give your employees negative feedback they get discouraged and eventually will move to some place that makes them feel they at least are appreciated.
Perhaps this should have been a separate poll. Something about overall satisfaction with the direction of the industry as opposed to having the option to say, "It all stunk" in a game of the year poll.
The voice of this forum is only the voice of the 200 odd people who post here. It is exrreme arrogance on our part to think we speak for the vast majority of gamers out there. In truth people are playing these games and paying to play them, so they devs did something right for someone.
I just don't think we should yeild to our frustrations is all. It's too easy.
Although I partially agree with you, I think you have to consider that this IS a good fact too. If we see this poll have this results this year and the next year the "None of the above!" have much less people, than we can get a great conclusion to see if the years are going well or not. We just didn't had this choice before, but in the next few years we might have good conclusions about the success of the genre along the years and the satisfaction of the players. You have to remmember another thing too: most players have frustation about one game but they might end up liking another game, but this year there was no new game to considerably caught their attention.
Another thing: this site has 1,290,576 members, so at least 200,000 must post here (a little more than 10% I'd say)... multiply your "200 odd people" by 1000.
Edit: just got 2 more members while I was writing the post xD
Hope you people realise that in the marketing terms voting "none of the above" equals voting World of Warcraft. And Perpetuum is a fine game.
EDIT: Ok just to ninja clarify before someone quotes. Perpetuum (and to an extent Vindictus) is a good game with different and fresh take on a mmorpg genre as well as smooth and bugless launch. By voting "none of the above" you're basically saying "nope, we'd like more of the WoW-crap please". So I guess enjoy your Rift then.
I beg to differ, I think it does both. It says the developers that what you have done this year sucked (reskins, poor launches, overhype) AND (unfortunately) that older games work (WoW, Lotro, DnD, EVE..etc).
I think voting none of the above is a powerful message to developers to change not just the games but how they are sold, marketed, managed..etc
Yeah but, many people say how voting "none of the above" is a statement against most games essentially being each others clones. I don't understant this part seeing as more than half of entries were very uniqe takes on mmo.
Also it is not very fair that this was the first year this voting option was introduced. Again many praise mmoprg.com for making a stand against un-innovative dev studios. But how is that the case if this year games come in majority from indie studios. I'm pretty sure that if GW2 would come out 4 months earlier they wouldn't put that voting option at all.
I'm not saying anything against people that voted this option. Just trying to point out that it's not so "cool and rebel" as some tend to think.
Good move on mmorpg.com's part to give us a chance to tell the MMO developers out there "you're not doing it right!"
And good on the community for using that opportunity.
MMO's don't have to be bad and launch incomplete (ohhaiSOE&Cryptic!). The people who make (fund) the games just need to be made aware that their corner cutting actually hurts their bottom line in the end.
And congrats to 'None of the above'. You completely deserve the win!
there are a lot of threads on our forum, where people try to describe pretty precise, what features are leading into the wrong direction and what is expected for the future. this forum is not full of whiners and naysayers as you assume with your statement above.
do you expect, that we vote for their crap, just because they keep ignoring us otherwise? how weird is that?
PS: OK, Perpetuum is no crap. it just came very late, therefor pretty unknown and a niche game for the time being.
To me the Vote isn't the key. It's the general negative tide that is constantly flowing here. "None of the Above" is a vote for general throw your hands up frustration. I'm not saying that kind of frustration isn't warranted. I'm arguing that it's not constructive. Think of the Devs as employees. If all you do is give your employees negative feedback they get discouraged and eventually will move to some place that makes them feel they at least are appreciated.
Perhaps this should have been a separate poll. Something about overall satisfaction with the direction of the industry as opposed to having the option to say, "It all stunk" in a game of the year poll.
The voice of this forum is only the voice of the 200 odd people who post here. It is exrreme arrogance on our part to think we speak for the vast majority of gamers out there. In truth people are playing these games and paying to play them, so they devs did something right for someone.
I just don't think we should yeild to our frustrations is all. It's too easy.
Although I partially agree with you, I think you have to consider that this IS a good fact too. If we see this poll have this results this year and the next year the "None of the above!" have much less people, than we can get a great conclusion to see if the years are going well or not. We just didn't had this choice before, but in the next few years we might have good conclusions about the success of the genre along the years and the satisfaction of the players. You have to remmember another thing too: most players have frustation about one game but they might end up liking another game, but this year there was no new game to considerably caught their attention.
Another thing: this site has 1,290,576 members, so at least 200,000 must post here (a little more than 10% I'd say)... multiply your "200 odd people" by 1000.
Edit: just got 2 more members while I was writing the post xD
Many members, but how many of them post? Again many people read, but few post. I didn't see a total number of votes cast in this poll. I still think it's more than generous to believe that many more than 200 people post here with any regularity.
The point is that even if we say, for the sake of argument, that 32% of the members of this site agree with "none of the above" that vote really says nothing except tell the devs that there are 32% of the people reading this site that just can't be pleased no matter what they put out. Like I said, I've been as viriulent in my critisims of games this year as anyone else here, but I'm beginning to wonder if that isn't making me one of the people that the Devs simply dismiss as a perenial malcontent.
No one is saying you don't have a right to be disappointed. The question is how you handle yourself when you're disappointed. Do you rant and rave and throw things or do you attempt to make the situation better. The messaage is always clear to the person sending it, but the person receiving it might read it in an entirely different light. We risk marginalizing our own opinions expressed here as nothing but the wailings of the Ghost of MMO past.
None of that addresses the fact that putting "None of the Above" on this poll changed the nature of the discussion from, "Which of these was the best game put out in 2010" to " Who thinks 2010 was a crappy year for MMO releases?" I object to that question being stealthed in by the Staff under the guise of Game of the Year. The poll was not intellectually honest in it's question. The question the poll really asked should have been asked in a separate poll, open and honestly instead of snuck in so that it can be used as some kind of negative referendum on the state of gaming in 2010.
Everyone has the right to be disappointed. The issue is if that disappointment will be used constructively or destrutively. The Staff gave us the rope and we used it destructively and it seems that we're proud of it.
In the final analysis doesn't it bother you that our entire community opinion seems to have been reduced to, "It all sucks!" That sounds like something you'd read on a bumper sticker. I've always believed that if a person can view a bumper sticker and agree that it encapsulates their enitre world view then they're not very well thought out and probably not someone who has an opinion worth hearing. We risk becoming that person if all we ever say is, "That sucks!" and this poll is just the latest and most graphic example of that general tide of opinion that is constantly present on this site.
Many a small thing has been made large by the right kind of advertising.
Many members, but how many of them post? Again many people read, but few post. I didn't see a total number of votes cast in this poll. I still think it's more than generous to believe that many more than 200 people post here with any regularity.
The point is that even if we say, for the sake of argument, that 32% of the members of this site agree with "none of the above" that vote really says nothing except tell the devs that there are 32% of the people reading this site that just can't be pleased no matter what they put out. Like I said, I've been as viriulent in my critisims of games this year as anyone else here, but I'm beginning to wonder if that isn't making me one of the people that the Devs simply dismiss as a perenial malcontent.
No one is saying you don't have a right to be disappointed. The question is how you handle yourself when you're disappointed. Do you rant and rave and throw things or do you attempt to make the situation better. The messaage is always clear to the person sending it, but the person receiving it might read it in an entirely different light. We risk marginalizing our own opinions expressed here as nothing but the wailings of the Ghost of MMO past.
None of that addresses the fact that putting "None of the Above" on this poll changed the nature of the discussion from, "Which of these was the best game put out in 2010" to " Who thinks 2010 was a crappy year for MMO releases?" I object to that question being stealthed in by the Staff under the guise of Game of the Year. The poll was not intellectually honest in it's question. The question the poll really asked should have been asked in a separate poll, open and honestly instead of snuck in so that it can be used as some kind of negative referendum on the state of gaming in 2010.
Everyone has the right to be disappointed. The issue is if that disappointment will be used constructively or destrutively. The Staff gave us the rope and we used it destructively and it seems that we're proud of it.
In the final analysis doesn't it bother you that our entire community opinion seems to have been reduced to, "It all sucks!" That sounds like something you'd read on a bumper sticker. I've always believed that if a person can view a bumper sticker and agree that it encapsulates their enitre world view then they're not very well thought out and probably not someone who has an opinion worth hearing. We risk becoming that person if all we ever say is, "That sucks!" and this poll is just the latest and most graphic example of that general tide of opinion that is constantly present on this site.
Not really but it does show that no mmo made such an impact this year that we deemed "Best New Game".
Many members, but how many of them post? Again many people read, but few post. I didn't see a total number of votes cast in this poll. I still think it's more than generous to believe that many more than 200 people post here with any regularity.
The point is that even if we say, for the sake of argument, that 32% of the members of this site agree with "none of the above" that vote really says nothing except tell the devs that there are 32% of the people reading this site that just can't be pleased no matter what they put out. Like I said, I've been as viriulent in my critisims of games this year as anyone else here, but I'm beginning to wonder if that isn't making me one of the people that the Devs simply dismiss as a perenial malcontent.
No one is saying you don't have a right to be disappointed. The question is how you handle yourself when you're disappointed. Do you rant and rave and throw things or do you attempt to make the situation better. The messaage is always clear to the person sending it, but the person receiving it might read it in an entirely different light. We risk marginalizing our own opinions expressed here as nothing but the wailings of the Ghost of MMO past.
None of that addresses the fact that putting "None of the Above" on this poll changed the nature of the discussion from, "Which of these was the best game put out in 2010" to " Who thinks 2010 was a crappy year for MMO releases?" I object to that question being stealthed in by the Staff under the guise of Game of the Year. The poll was not intellectually honest in it's question. The question the poll really asked should have been asked in a separate poll, open and honestly instead of snuck in so that it can be used as some kind of negative referendum on the state of gaming in 2010.
Everyone has the right to be disappointed. The issue is if that disappointment will be used constructively or destrutively. The Staff gave us the rope and we used it destructively and it seems that we're proud of it.
In the final analysis doesn't it bother you that our entire community opinion seems to have been reduced to, "It all sucks!" That sounds like something you'd read on a bumper sticker. I've always believed that if a person can view a bumper sticker and agree that it encapsulates their enitre world view then they're not very well thought out and probably not someone who has an opinion worth hearing. We risk becoming that person if all we ever say is, "That sucks!" and this poll is just the latest and most graphic example of that general tide of opinion that is constantly present on this site.
Not really but it does show that no mmo made such an impact this year that we deemed "Best New Game".
I agree with Devil. Not only 2010 was a crap year but 2009 and 2008. MMO developers have become complacent with turning out crap games that don't work. What you buy now days is a pay for monthly closed beta that they have no idea how to fix.
But read any of the forums of these games and you will see that the communities of these games care very much about about the game but their concerns are ignored for so long that the community dwindles till its almost dead.
People claim that producers of many industries have began to enjoy putting out sub par quality items at a price that would suggest high quality. I agree totally with this and i agree it is happening in the MMO world too. Their is no pride of doing a good job anymore.
Furthermore in the MMO world if a team screws it up they get moved to a new project and they bring in a new team. So all these companies are doing is letting a dev team build a turd then move on within the company to build a new turd.
Sorry for posting twice in a row, but I also had to get this off my chest too.
At one time you would see devs in game frequently now days you see them once every 5 months if lucky. Players have more knowledge of the game than what the devs do anymore. When I see on forums where Devs have know idea how something works in game and tells a player to ask another player for the answer, makes we want to puke.
Now to hit on the topic of bots and hackers where are the in game GM's of the good old days old. Why is it so hard to get the concept that the in game GM's worked. Well I'll honestly tell you why this isn't comprehended anymore, they just don't care. Bots and hackers are large income now (input any game corp's name here) " Hey they may cheat but hey pay monthly, we only want to ban those that use stolen and bogus credit cards."
It's pretty sad when I used to enjoy MMO's so much that now I have been turned to the darkside af hating MMO's anymore. It has become so bad that I've determined that when new games come out they will probabally follow the norm and be a wasted investment of time nd money.
This result spreaks the truth. My husband even gave up gaming this year (gasp!) as he refused to play the rubbish that was released.
Buggy, 1/2 finished game releases were the flavour of the month and new MMO's have to get the message "we refuse to pay to play what is in reality a Beta relaese"
Here's hoping that the standard gets lifted in 2011!
No MMO released in 2010 deserves to fly the "Best new MMO of 2010". None of the above. Hey devs, you should take notice to this. People are tired of the same garbage.
Giving any MMO this title would be like saying - "This lump of poo is the best new food of the year!"! (compared to other even less tasty poo).
As for the comment of why the people who voted for the games should call it?
The majority spoke. We chose NOT reward poo any "best" title just because nothing other then garbage was released.
I'm glad to see "None of the Above" actually lost. With 67.9% of the voters finding at least one game that was worthy of the title "Best New Game", that will give me a lot of choices to sample.
I am not surprised. I did not play a new game this year that was not terrible.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
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No matter how bad you are trying to make it sound ... I am playing WoW-crap again .... because face it , it still offers loads of fun for those not currently worn out by it and definately more fun then the games 2010 brought us.
I tried perpetuum ... i tried vindictus ... both lasted me a few hours ... and back I go to WoW for the third time in 5 years
Well done MMORPG.com, I didn't know you had it in you.
well, i did never play vindictus, prefer living in a virtual world instead of playing kust another game, and i argue, that a hub with instanced maps is even a MMO. i had the chance to look at Perpetuum in open beta, but just for a few hours. it looks like a good sandbox, but i dont like the robot-setting. so even if i like the sandbox-model it is not for me, unfortunatly.
so how could you say i voted for WoW-type garbage indirectly? and no, i will not play RIFT or vote for it after this beta. RIFT is perhaps the best theme-park out there and this is exactly why it bores me to death.
played: Everquest I (6 years), EVE (3 years)
months: EQII, Vanguard, Siedler Online, SWTOR, Guild Wars 2
weeks: WoW, Shaiya, Darkfall, Florensia, Entropia, Aion, Lotro, Fallen Earth, Uncharted Waters
days: DDO, RoM, FFXIV, STO, Atlantica, PotBS, Maestia, WAR, AoC, Gods&Heroes, Cultures, RIFT, Forsaken World, Allodds
I'm not sure this result is something this particular gaming community should be proud of. I think it shows a lack of discernment on our part as consumers. I think it shows that as a group we simply gave up and rather than even try we declared all of 2010 a failure. Millions of people around the world have found fun in the very games we've condenmed with a broad brush. If anything this makes us look like a pack of emo nerds who dress in black and lament the fact that the world is totally worthless and against us.
All the staff has done here is hold up the mirror and let us see our own faces. Was I disappointed in some of those games? Yes, however I did manage to find some fun in them all except for STO. STO left me feeling duped, but that had more to do with Cryptic's marketing than the game itself.
If we could, as a group, concentrate our efforts on what areas of a game we like and explain why we like it, the gaming developers might get the message. We've tried screaming about what we don't like for a decade and I think the development companies have finally become numb to it. It's like kids. If you yell at your kids all the time they eventually just don't hear it anymore. We've carried on our war with devs so long they've probably begun to regard us as perpetual malcontents that will never be happy and therefore should be ignored.
To me this looks like nothing but the ultimate expression of frustration and the final step in marginalizing the opinion of the forum community here. We've told the gaming companies that everything they put out stunk this year so why should they even care what our opinion is going forward?
I'm as guilty as the next guy in this, so try not to get your backs up too much at me. Maybe our new year's resolution should be to start from a positive angle in 2011 and say, "We liked this mechanic or we liked that feature. Could we get more of that and a little less of this?" Constructive criticism can be resepcted. A collective throwing all of our toys out of the pram will simply get us ignored.
Many a small thing has been made large by the right kind of advertising.
I'm not saying I'm a fan of any of the new games, but 'None of the Above" is not a game.
The poll was for the best new game. I knew this place was a haven for MMORPG gloom and doomers, but this kind of blatant support is discouraging.
P.S., Maybe the staff could help us a little by inviting the devs to a constructive discussion or two about their games. I'm sure there are many people here that are willing to work with Devs in helping them understand what gamers like and what they'd like to see more of. I think most Devs would like to hear from people who can have a civil discussion on the topic of the game and come at it from a constructive angle such as, "Do more of this" and "Emphasis more of that.".
This might lead us to more games we are happy with.
Many a small thing has been made large by the right kind of advertising.
there are a lot of threads on our forum, where people try to describe pretty precise, what features are leading into the wrong direction and what is expected for the future. this forum is not full of whiners and naysayers as you assume with your statement above.
do you expect, that we vote for their crap, just because they keep ignoring us otherwise? how weird is that?
PS: OK, Perpetuum is no crap. it just came very late, therefor pretty unknown and a niche game for the time being.
played: Everquest I (6 years), EVE (3 years)
months: EQII, Vanguard, Siedler Online, SWTOR, Guild Wars 2
weeks: WoW, Shaiya, Darkfall, Florensia, Entropia, Aion, Lotro, Fallen Earth, Uncharted Waters
days: DDO, RoM, FFXIV, STO, Atlantica, PotBS, Maestia, WAR, AoC, Gods&Heroes, Cultures, RIFT, Forsaken World, Allodds
You guys can criticize all you want but I will sit here, cross my arms, and tell you flat out that I would RATHER NO ONE win a "best new game" award than award it to a game that DOES NOT DESERVE it.
I'm sorry, that's how I feel. I've played almost all of these games and I didn't care for ANY of them. So close yet so far. I hope that the LACK of awards shows the gaming industry that we are displeased with their direction, I doubt it but I can hope.
P.S. For example, when a game of the year is listed as STO (on a competing site) I can't help but LMAO at that site because it loses credibility. That would be like saying FFXIV had the best MMO launch ever. Saying something does not indicate that it is a valid or true statement.
I don't remmember what I voted for between Vindictus or "None of the above!", but I remmember thinking that if I vote for Vindictus it's only because I just wanted to vote for a game.
But if MMORPG site and other sites are finally saying that "None of the above!" has a real meaning in this award (most of the times, we can see this choice first in polls and the prize/merit goes to the 2nd choice) than I can say that "None of the above!" is truely my vote. I mean, this year had some expectations and it was crap, specially for Europeans (Where is Mabinogui:Heroes/Vindictus? where is Dragon Nest? Where are the "good" games that launched in NA and not in EU?).
BTW, I think Vindictus and Dragon Nest shouldn't be viewed as MMORPG, but as Co-op RPG. Because, from what I see from the gameplay videos (and I actually played DN), they are very simillar to GW1 in the restrictions of playing together and instances. I'm not really sure about Vindictus, but I am about DN.
Edit: But I guess I'm wrong in my thoughts. I thought this award was for the best new mmorpg of the year...and actually it's best new GAME of the year.
if none of the above, which one?
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Why would we vote for ANY of those games if they were garbage. None of them were the best of 2010 because they were all bad. And the devs aren't listening. I'd say the poll is a wake up call to the devs. The question is whether they will listen or not.
To me the Vote isn't the key. It's the general negative tide that is constantly flowing here. "None of the Above" is a vote for general throw your hands up frustration. I'm not saying that kind of frustration isn't warranted. I'm arguing that it's not constructive. Think of the Devs as employees. If all you do is give your employees negative feedback they get discouraged and eventually will move to some place that makes them feel they at least are appreciated.
Perhaps this should have been a separate poll. Something about overall satisfaction with the direction of the industry as opposed to having the option to say, "It all stunk" in a game of the year poll.
The voice of this forum is only the voice of the 200 odd people who post here. It is exrreme arrogance on our part to think we speak for the vast majority of gamers out there. In truth people are playing these games and paying to play them, so they devs did something right for someone.
I just don't think we should yeild to our frustrations is all. It's too easy.
Many a small thing has been made large by the right kind of advertising.
Although I partially agree with you, I think you have to consider that this IS a good fact too. If we see this poll have this results this year and the next year the "None of the above!" have much less people, than we can get a great conclusion to see if the years are going well or not. We just didn't had this choice before, but in the next few years we might have good conclusions about the success of the genre along the years and the satisfaction of the players. You have to remmember another thing too: most players have frustation about one game but they might end up liking another game, but this year there was no new game to considerably caught their attention.
Another thing: this site has 1,290,576 members, so at least 200,000 must post here (a little more than 10% I'd say)... multiply your "200 odd people" by 1000.
Edit: just got 2 more members while I was writing the post xD
Grats to None of the Above.
Yeah but, many people say how voting "none of the above" is a statement against most games essentially being each others clones. I don't understant this part seeing as more than half of entries were very uniqe takes on mmo.
Also it is not very fair that this was the first year this voting option was introduced. Again many praise mmoprg.com for making a stand against un-innovative dev studios. But how is that the case if this year games come in majority from indie studios. I'm pretty sure that if GW2 would come out 4 months earlier they wouldn't put that voting option at all.
I'm not saying anything against people that voted this option. Just trying to point out that it's not so "cool and rebel" as some tend to think.
Good move on mmorpg.com's part to give us a chance to tell the MMO developers out there "you're not doing it right!"
And good on the community for using that opportunity.
MMO's don't have to be bad and launch incomplete (ohhaiSOE&Cryptic!). The people who make (fund) the games just need to be made aware that their corner cutting actually hurts their bottom line in the end.
And congrats to 'None of the above'. You completely deserve the win!
i never thought i would say this: kudos to mmorpg for letting people vote for none of the above. good job guys!
Many members, but how many of them post? Again many people read, but few post. I didn't see a total number of votes cast in this poll. I still think it's more than generous to believe that many more than 200 people post here with any regularity.
The point is that even if we say, for the sake of argument, that 32% of the members of this site agree with "none of the above" that vote really says nothing except tell the devs that there are 32% of the people reading this site that just can't be pleased no matter what they put out. Like I said, I've been as viriulent in my critisims of games this year as anyone else here, but I'm beginning to wonder if that isn't making me one of the people that the Devs simply dismiss as a perenial malcontent.
No one is saying you don't have a right to be disappointed. The question is how you handle yourself when you're disappointed. Do you rant and rave and throw things or do you attempt to make the situation better. The messaage is always clear to the person sending it, but the person receiving it might read it in an entirely different light. We risk marginalizing our own opinions expressed here as nothing but the wailings of the Ghost of MMO past.
None of that addresses the fact that putting "None of the Above" on this poll changed the nature of the discussion from, "Which of these was the best game put out in 2010" to " Who thinks 2010 was a crappy year for MMO releases?" I object to that question being stealthed in by the Staff under the guise of Game of the Year. The poll was not intellectually honest in it's question. The question the poll really asked should have been asked in a separate poll, open and honestly instead of snuck in so that it can be used as some kind of negative referendum on the state of gaming in 2010.
Everyone has the right to be disappointed. The issue is if that disappointment will be used constructively or destrutively. The Staff gave us the rope and we used it destructively and it seems that we're proud of it.
In the final analysis doesn't it bother you that our entire community opinion seems to have been reduced to, "It all sucks!" That sounds like something you'd read on a bumper sticker. I've always believed that if a person can view a bumper sticker and agree that it encapsulates their enitre world view then they're not very well thought out and probably not someone who has an opinion worth hearing. We risk becoming that person if all we ever say is, "That sucks!" and this poll is just the latest and most graphic example of that general tide of opinion that is constantly present on this site.
Many a small thing has been made large by the right kind of advertising.
Not really but it does show that no mmo made such an impact this year that we deemed "Best New Game".
I agree with Devil. Not only 2010 was a crap year but 2009 and 2008. MMO developers have become complacent with turning out crap games that don't work. What you buy now days is a pay for monthly closed beta that they have no idea how to fix.
But read any of the forums of these games and you will see that the communities of these games care very much about about the game but their concerns are ignored for so long that the community dwindles till its almost dead.
People claim that producers of many industries have began to enjoy putting out sub par quality items at a price that would suggest high quality. I agree totally with this and i agree it is happening in the MMO world too. Their is no pride of doing a good job anymore.
Furthermore in the MMO world if a team screws it up they get moved to a new project and they bring in a new team. So all these companies are doing is letting a dev team build a turd then move on within the company to build a new turd.
Sorry for posting twice in a row, but I also had to get this off my chest too.
At one time you would see devs in game frequently now days you see them once every 5 months if lucky. Players have more knowledge of the game than what the devs do anymore. When I see on forums where Devs have know idea how something works in game and tells a player to ask another player for the answer, makes we want to puke.
Now to hit on the topic of bots and hackers where are the in game GM's of the good old days old. Why is it so hard to get the concept that the in game GM's worked. Well I'll honestly tell you why this isn't comprehended anymore, they just don't care. Bots and hackers are large income now (input any game corp's name here) " Hey they may cheat but hey pay monthly, we only want to ban those that use stolen and bogus credit cards."
It's pretty sad when I used to enjoy MMO's so much that now I have been turned to the darkside af hating MMO's anymore. It has become so bad that I've determined that when new games come out they will probabally follow the norm and be a wasted investment of time nd money.
This result spreaks the truth. My husband even gave up gaming this year (gasp!) as he refused to play the rubbish that was released.
Buggy, 1/2 finished game releases were the flavour of the month and new MMO's have to get the message "we refuse to pay to play what is in reality a Beta relaese"
Here's hoping that the standard gets lifted in 2011!
None of the above is a well deserved winner.
No MMO released in 2010 deserves to fly the "Best new MMO of 2010". None of the above. Hey devs, you should take notice to this. People are tired of the same garbage.
Giving any MMO this title would be like saying - "This lump of poo is the best new food of the year!"! (compared to other even less tasty poo).
As for the comment of why the people who voted for the games should call it?
The majority spoke. We chose NOT reward poo any "best" title just because nothing other then garbage was released.
I'm glad to see "None of the Above" actually lost. With 67.9% of the voters finding at least one game that was worthy of the title "Best New Game", that will give me a lot of choices to sample.
Think I'll start with Perpetuem.
I am not surprised. I did not play a new game this year that was not terrible.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?